Joe Galante and the Degrading Nature of Porn
a
white. There's many shades of gray. But one truth about porn that's
becoming clearer is how degrading it is to its objects, mostly women.
Nashville sheds light into how porn degrades women. What I'm about to
say has not been said, to my knowledge, by any other commentator
about porn. I'm not sure they understand it like I do.
Porn doesn't just degrade women in the action or moment. It mainly
degrades them by taking away their potential. So it's a permanent
kind of degradation, like what happens when a murderer is sentenced.
It's hard to fathom guys getting their jollies watching women do porn
and thinking "She's screwed for life." But it happens, at least
subliminally. Part of the pleasure is watching women be degraded
permanently, so they can never achieve their potential to work and
earn on par (or above) men.
The most fascinating and insightful case is Mindy's, because she was
a victim of child porn, probably unwilling and maybe coerced. In this
regard, she's like a victim who survived a bad car wreck. You can't
imagine that a woman entertainer would be blackballed years later,
viciously and permanently, because she was once in a bad car wreck.
Can you?
So this is how porn degrades. The people who make the porn degrade.
The people who watch the porn degrade further. And the people who
blackball a woman like Mindy for being a victim of porn also degrade
her, because they fulfill the promise that her potential would be
destroyed by her abuse.
In my opinion, the Nashville blackballers of Mindy are as guilty of
degrading her as are the child pornographers who originally degraded
her. It's one long unbroken chain of abuse.
That leads to Joe Galante, because he's a link in the chain, too.
Joe's job was to break the chain, to defend Mindy from all the porn
merchants and blackballers who have degraded her, past and present.
When Joe sat there wringing his hands, doing nothing, he became IMHO
yet another man degrading Mindy.
Joe Galante may feel guilty about the fact that he's done nothing to
break the chain of degradation Mindy has suffered. I hope so. He may
also feel liable, as a company and individual, for the loss and pain
Mindy suffered in having her entertainment career unjustly taken
away. He should. Joe's liability has two levels. One is the cost of
trying to keep his failure-to-act out of the public eye. The other is
the cost of any settlement or judgement that his company and he
personally may face, if it isn't kept out of the public eye.
If Joe Galante feels I'm hammering him unjustly, he can ask himself
one question. If all truth were known to a jury of his peers, could
he look them in the eye and honestly say he did THE RIGHT THING FOR
MINDY? The real answer is he can't. Because he did nothing to restore
her potential by confronting the continuing chain of her abuse.
Restoration is possible. I'm a big believer in the teachings of John
Bradshaw, who says we survivors should give back shame to those who
dumped it on us. In Mindy's case, giving back would include the
pornsters, blackballers, and passive abusers like Joe Galante.
I go beyond Bradshaw. I don't think it's always possible to give back
shame without also giving back LOSS and PAIN. We should not hesitate
to give back loss and pain, too, as individual survivors and as a
group that's tired of suffering silently and is ready to fight back.
I hope Mindy gives back her shame, loss and pain to those who dumped
it on her. If Joe Galante personally suffers major loss and pain as a
result, I won't shed a tear.
Stella
ra...@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us
writes:>From: a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Joe Galante and the Degrading Nature of Porn
>Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:25:22 GMT
You are really getting better in what you do. I hadn't noticed the subtle
(read: like a sledge hammer) "improvements.
>The arguments about porn, pro and con, are anything but black
and>white. There's many shades of gray. But one truth about porn that's
>becoming clearer is how degrading it is to its objects, mostly women.
There are few, if any, arguements about porn ... black, white or any other
shade. Yes, it's degrading to all of those who choose to participate.
>Nashville sheds light into how porn degrades women. What I'm about to
>say has not been said, to my knowledge, by any other commentator
>about porn. I'm not sure they understand it like I do.
Nashville = pornography. If any major artist did ever appear in a porno
flick, of which there is no proof, Nashville would have helped them out of
that industry.
>Porn doesn't just degrade women in the action or moment. It mainly
>degrades them by taking away their potential. So it's a permanent
>kind of degradation, like what happens when a murderer is sentenced.
So a participant in pornography, the victim, is the same as a murderer
the criminal being sentenced. So porno victims are murders.
>It's hard to fathom guys getting their jollies watching women do porn
>and thinking "She's screwed for life." But it happens, at least
>subliminally. Part of the pleasure is watching women be degraded
>permanently, so they can never achieve their potential to work and
>earn on par (or above) men.
Ah, an interesting, introspective, psychological theory on the inner workings
of the minds of porno viewers ... or, just bullshit.
>The most fascinating and insightful case is Mindy's,
didn't happen
because she was
>a victim of child porn,
didn't happen
probably unwilling and maybe coerced. In this
>regard, she's like a victim who survived a bad car wreck. You can't
>imagine that a woman entertainer would be blackballed years later,
>viciously and permanently, because she was once in a bad car wreck.
>Can you?
No you can't because the point you're trying to make with your half assed
analogy doesn't make any sense.
>So this is how porn degrades. The people who
make the porn degrade.>The people who watch the porn degrade further. And the
people who>blackball a woman like Mindy for being a victim of porn also degrade
>her, because they fulfill the promise that her potential would be
>destroyed by her abuse.
So, there is no chance that her career is floundering because she:
a) is more beautiful than talented?
b) copped a star attitude after one hit single?
c) took terrible career advise from the former Superman, whose career is also
similar to that bad car wreck to which you eluded?
d) any combo of the above?
>In my opinion, the Nashville blackballers of Mindy are as guilty of
>degrading her as are the child pornographers who originally degraded
>her. It's one long unbroken chain of abuse.
Here we see the weaving together of the individual lies you have incorporated
to give your ramblings some sort of authenticity. Like (I would guess) your
hero, Rush Limbaugh, you have established a tirade, based not on facts but
supermarket newspaper type hypotheses. Then after carefully introducing the
personalities you continue to build your straw house you can attack the
ficticious attackers ... never realizing that it has already crumbled under
its on weight of bullshit.
Your problem is that you're out on a limb by yourself without a couple of
million dittoheads.
>That leads to Joe Galante, because he's a link in the chain, too.
>Joe's job was to break the chain, to defend Mindy from all the porn
>merchants and blackballers who have degraded her, past and present.
>When Joe sat there wringing his hands, doing nothing, he became IMHO
>yet another man degrading Mindy.
Joe Galante is a number cruncher. Mindy and others didn't meet their number.
It's pure sales, supply and demand and nothing more.
>Joe Galante may feel guilty about the fact that he's done nothing to
>break the chain of degradation Mindy has suffered.
Brilliant. You introduced Joe G., who has nothing to do with the corrupt
point you're trying to make, and now you theorize on HIS behalf.
I hope so. He may
>also feel liable, as a company and individual, for the loss and pain
>Mindy suffered in having her entertainment career unjustly taken
>away. He should. Joe's liability has two levels. One is the cost of
>trying to keep his failure-to-act out of the public eye.
Again, very good. He has failed to act to correct a problem with which he is
not involved ... a problem which does not exist. excellent.
The other is
>the cost of any settlement or judgement that his company and he
>personally may face, if it isn't kept out of the public eye.
>If Joe Galante feels I'm hammering him unjustly,
Oh yeah, Joe lays awake nights thinking about this.
>he can ask himself
>one question. If all truth were known to a jury of his peers, could
>he look them in the eye and honestly say he did THE RIGHT THING FOR
>MINDY? The real answer is he can't. Because he did nothing to restore
>her potential by confronting the continuing chain of her abuse.
>Restoration is possible. I'm a big believer in the teachings of John
>Bradshaw, who says we survivors should give back shame to those who
>dumped it on us. In Mindy's case, giving back would include the
>pornsters, blackballers, and passive abusers like Joe Galante.
So, we reinstate Mindy's contract, buy her ten songs, cut her a new CD, put
some money behind it, and it sells 20,000 copies. Then what? It's the fault
of those wretched liner notes writers. They've conspired to thwart her
comeback by introducing subliminal mind altering messages
>I go beyond Bradshaw. I don't think it's always possible to give back
>shame without also giving back LOSS and PAIN. We should not hesitate
>to give back loss and pain, too, as individual survivors and as a
>group that's tired of suffering silently and is ready to fight back.
>I hope Mindy gives back her shame, loss and pain to those who dumped
>it on her. If Joe Galante personally suffers major loss and pain as a
>result, I won't shed a tear.
Blah, blah, blah. Wouldn't you create a pretty decent following at a UFO
newsgroup? Your talent is really wasted here.
>Stella
Ray Arthur
Josh Reader
mslinda
>
> At risk of sounding like a complete moron, this is Mindy McReady you're
> talking about, right? I had heard something happened in her childhood, but
> not this. Can somebody tell me the whole story here?
>
> -Lisa
>
There is *no* story. A deranged poster who uses the pseudonym "Stella"
made it all up. Do a DejaNews on him for his fantasies about other artists.
Linda C.
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7lrf08$e...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> What I'm about to
> say has not been said, to my knowledge, by any other commentator
> about porn. I'm not sure they understand it like I do.
>
That's because they don't live in the fantasy world that you inhabit. And
no one hates successful women more than you.
Lisa Liebig
talking about, right? I had heard something happened in her childhood, but
not this. Can somebody tell me the whole story here?
-Lisa
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7lrf08$e...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com...
> The arguments about porn, pro and con, are anything but black and
> white. There's many shades of gray. But one truth about porn that's
> becoming clearer is how degrading it is to its objects, mostly women.
>
> Nashville sheds light into how porn degrades women. What I'm about to
> say has not been said, to my knowledge, by any other commentator
> about porn. I'm not sure they understand it like I do.
>
> Porn doesn't just degrade women in the action or moment. It mainly
> degrades them by taking away their potential. So it's a permanent
> kind of degradation, like what happens when a murderer is sentenced.
>
> It's hard to fathom guys getting their jollies watching women do porn
> and thinking "She's screwed for life." But it happens, at least
> subliminally. Part of the pleasure is watching women be degraded
> permanently, so they can never achieve their potential to work and
> earn on par (or above) men.
>
> The most fascinating and insightful case is Mindy's, because she was
> a victim of child porn, probably unwilling and maybe coerced. In this
> regard, she's like a victim who survived a bad car wreck. You can't
> imagine that a woman entertainer would be blackballed years later,
> viciously and permanently, because she was once in a bad car wreck.
> Can you?
>
> So this is how porn degrades. The people who make the porn degrade.
> The people who watch the porn degrade further. And the people who
> blackball a woman like Mindy for being a victim of porn also degrade
> her, because they fulfill the promise that her potential would be
> destroyed by her abuse.
>
> In my opinion, the Nashville blackballers of Mindy are as guilty of
> degrading her as are the child pornographers who originally degraded
> her. It's one long unbroken chain of abuse.
>
> That leads to Joe Galante, because he's a link in the chain, too.
> Joe's job was to break the chain, to defend Mindy from all the porn
> merchants and blackballers who have degraded her, past and present.
> When Joe sat there wringing his hands, doing nothing, he became IMHO
> yet another man degrading Mindy.
>
> Joe Galante may feel guilty about the fact that he's done nothing to
> break the chain of degradation Mindy has suffered. I hope so. He may
> also feel liable, as a company and individual, for the loss and pain
> Mindy suffered in having her entertainment career unjustly taken
> away. He should. Joe's liability has two levels. One is the cost of
> trying to keep his failure-to-act out of the public eye. The other is
> the cost of any settlement or judgement that his company and he
> personally may face, if it isn't kept out of the public eye.
>
> If Joe Galante feels I'm hammering him unjustly, he can ask himself
> one question. If all truth were known to a jury of his peers, could
> he look them in the eye and honestly say he did THE RIGHT THING FOR
> MINDY? The real answer is he can't. Because he did nothing to restore
> her potential by confronting the continuing chain of her abuse.
>
> Restoration is possible. I'm a big believer in the teachings of John
> Bradshaw, who says we survivors should give back shame to those who
> dumped it on us. In Mindy's case, giving back would include the
> pornsters, blackballers, and passive abusers like Joe Galante.
>
> I go beyond Bradshaw. I don't think it's always possible to give back
> shame without also giving back LOSS and PAIN. We should not hesitate
> to give back loss and pain, too, as individual survivors and as a
> group that's tired of suffering silently and is ready to fight back.
>
> I hope Mindy gives back her shame, loss and pain to those who dumped
> it on her. If Joe Galante personally suffers major loss and pain as a
> result, I won't shed a tear.
>
> Stella
Dan Tropea
>
> Lisa Liebig wrote:
> >
> > At risk of sounding like a complete moron, this is Mindy McReady you're
> > talking about, right? I had heard something happened in her childhood, but
> > not this. Can somebody tell me the whole story here?
> >
> > -Lisa
> >
> made it all up. Do a DejaNews on him for his fantasies about other artists.
>
I read Stella's post last night and couldn't figure out what Mindy she
was refering to so thank you Ms Linda for letting us know.
> Linda C.
defl...@my-deja.com
Hey Stella, where did you find the story about Mindy and childhood porn? I
haven't heard anything about it.
-Deflector
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
a
Dan Tropea <dtr...@cabletron.com> wrote:
>I read Stella's post last night and couldn't figure out what Mindy she
>was refering to so thank you Ms Linda for letting us know.
You should not believe Linda C. You should listen to what I'm telling you, because
it's important.
Joe Galante is trapped in an "old school" view of how BTOs should solve problems,
which is by buying time, denying, hiding, and trying to keep the artist on a legal
leash as long as possible. It's not totally Joe's fault, because he's doing what
he's told by his superiors in Germany. What the narrow-minded Germans can't see is
how the American public has shifted, in such a short time.
The idea of keeping Mindy on a leash is so she'll get cold, and then nobody will
want her story. But with each passing day, her story just becomes more right for the
times and valuable. The same with Suzy's story.
There's no doubt Mindy's story would be a huge jolt of inspiration to countless
survivors. She'd get airtime on "Dateline" for sure, because her story is more
riveting than the con they put on last night with Multiple Personalities. Mindy's
book would sell well, and so would her post-Nashville records. She'd go platinum
again. The outpouring of sympathy and support for her would be overwhelming, as it
would be for Suzy. You would see people doing meet-and-greets with Mindy with great
sobbing emotional outbursts. There's so many of us, and we're getting free of these
chains so fast, after so long. Our public champions are too few.
By keeping Mindy on a legal leash, Joe is just making her hate him and Bertlesmann
worst. She's like a tiger in a cage that you've eventually have to let go. Go ahead
and keep tormenting the tiger and banging on the cage. When she gets out, you'll be
breakfast. Joe should stop tormenting Mindy and let her go now. Let her tell her
multi-million dollar story and help millions of survivors improve their lives.
Doing this would probably get Joe fired. But he would end what has become horrible
personal relations with one of his artists. And Joe could have a clear conscience
and not become a villain for millions of survivors, like he probably will otherwise.
Stella
a
defl...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Hey Stella, where did you find the story about Mindy and childhood porn? I
>haven't heard anything about it.
I didn't hear it from nobody. I developed it. I'm connected to the Internet
Free Speech Liberation Front. It's a huge number of people who hate BTOs and
are constantly prowling all corners of the Web, looking for ammo to bring
down BTOs.
Some people in the Front helped me find the pictures of Mindy, as well as
Suzy. For Mindy, there's not too many pictures and no movies that anybody
can find. But the pictures that exist are tragic, like I said in my poem.
For Suzy, there's many pictures and several movies that we've found,
including the cover-up movie.
Our goal isn't to make life tough for these women. We want to fight the BTOs
who are persecuting them. We want to encourage a billion dollars of lawsuits
brought by artists against the Nashville cartel that has denied them a
chance to earn a living through racketeering and restraint-of-trade.
Let's say a $100 million class action lawsuit was brought by a group of
current and former Nashville artists who felt they'd been blackballed. If
they won in court, they wouldn't get $100 million. They'd get $300 million
because of treble damages in civil antitrust and racketeering cases.
But somebody has to pry the door open and encourage those other artists to
file suit for money they lost and deserve to get back. In the Front, we
think the door-opener could be Mindy, just because she's such a natural-born
fighter. Suzy doesn't seem to have as much fight left as she once did. And
also, Suzy has a child and responsibilities there, where Mindy doesn't have
no child to protect and not much more to lose.
It's like one great survivor (KK) once wrote and another (JJ) once sang:
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."
Stella
mslinda
> haven't heard anything about it.
>
That's because it's only available on a home movie that's been running
through Ricky's head for the last two years - replacing the previous one
about Suzy Bogguss.
Linda C.
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7ltbv0$4...@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com>...
> We want to encourage a billion dollars of lawsuits
> brought by artists against the Nashville cartel that has denied them a
> chance to earn a living through racketeering and restraint-of-trade.
>
Tell that to all the unemployed musicians who can't get record deals and
wish they could be as lucky as the artists you've blackballed here.
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7lt9ud$a...@dfw-ixnews14.ix.netcom.com>...
> In article <3781ED...@cabletron.com>,
>
> By keeping Mindy on a legal leash, Joe is just making her hate him and
Bertlesmann
> worst. She's like a tiger in a cage that you've eventually have to let
go.
The truth is that Joe is doing the exact opposite. In fact, he's giving
her more work than her manager is giving her. Perhaps you should attack
her manager. But you don't know his/her name. And you don't own any of
Mindy's albums. So you can't find it.
> Doing this would probably get Joe fired. But he would end what has become
horrible
> personal relations with one of his artists.
Actually, his relations with her are quite good. In fact, I'd say he gets
along better with her than she gets along with her own mother. But that's
another story (one that you don't know).
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
>
>
> Actually, his relations with her are quite good. In fact, I'd say he gets
> along better with her than she gets along with her own mother. But that's
> another story (one that you don't know).
Is this statement really necessary? Her relationship with her mother is none
of our business.
Coop
a
>Is this statement really necessary? Her relationship with her mother
is none of our business.
I agree with you, Coop, the issue isn't about Joe Galante's mother.
It's about how well Joe Galante does his job for fans.
Most record-industry BTOs like Joe Galante don't think like that. To
them, fans are just the stupid suckers who buy their records.
But Joe Galante has a responsibility to record-buying fans, just like
he has a responsibility to the greedy Germans at Bertlesmann.
If you tied Joe Galante down and forced him to talk honest, he might
tell you he never bargained for fighting back against pornsters and
blackballers. He just wanted to be in the music biz and make records.
My point is that it goes beyond what biz you're in. It's like...are you
real? Are you human?
If you drove down the highway and saw somebody lying by the side of the
road, bleeding to death, would you stop and try to help? Some people
would say...No, not my job. Don't want to get involved. To me, they're
not real or human.
To me, if you see a young entertainer like Mindy being screwed royal,
you gotta stop and help. Joe thinks he helped. But he didn't.
He certainly didn't help Mindy's many fans, who still don't know what
the hell happened to her. Joe Galante screwed the fans. So now it's
time for fans to screw him.
Stella
Elmer Alley
a wrote in message <7m0bkl$l...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>...
>In <37837D56...@udel.edu> Coop <co...@udel.edu> writes:
>
>To me, if you see a young entertainer like Mindy being screwed royal,
>you gotta stop and help.
Freudian slip? I think so. The truth will out.
Elmer
Coop
a wrote:
> It's about how well Joe Galante does his job for fans.
>
>
> He made an interesting comment on a Keith Whitley retrospective. He said
> he tried a tough love approach by threatening to yank Keith's contract
> unless he got his drinking problem under control. He said he never
> really intended to do it but hoped it would force Keith to get help.
Coop
Country Boy
Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote in article <37837D56...@udel.edu>...
>
>
> Country Boy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Actually, his relations with her are quite good. In fact, I'd say he
gets
> > along better with her than she gets along with her own mother. But
that's
> > another story (one that you don't know).
>
> Is this statement really necessary? Her relationship with her mother is
none
> of our business.
>
So then you approve of "Stella's" lies about her, but you object to my bit
of truth? If you notice, I didn't actually say her relations with her
mother are bad. I just said that his relations with her are better.
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7m0bkl$l...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> He certainly didn't help Mindy's many fans, who still don't know what
> the hell happened to her.
The fans know. She told them. She doesn't keep secrets from her fans.
But since you're not a fan, you don't know what she said. So you continue
to weave your web of confusion. But the fans know the truth. And it's not
what you think.
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
Your bit of truth? Whose to say your truth is no better than Stella's
Coop
Scott
>
> >
> >Your bit of truth? Whose to say your truth is no better than Stella's
> >
> >Coop
> >
Mmm...I'm with Coop on this one. Cartel Boy comes across to me as
someone _desperate_ to fabricate anything that might sound somewhat
believable, in order to cover for the industry. There have just been too
many outright fabrications, often in arrogance. If it's fiction, I'd
rather read about alien abductions than meaningless copouts and boring
misinformation.
a
<westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> writes:
>Mmm...I'm with Coop on this one. Cartel Boy comes across to me as
>someone _desperate_ to fabricate anything that might sound somewhat
>believable, in order to cover for the industry. There have just been
too
>many outright fabrications, often in arrogance. If it's fiction, I'd
>rather read about alien abductions than meaningless copouts and boring
>misinformation.
Cartel Boy just mirrors the mindset of the people he works for, the
cartel. It's important to understand the difference between me and him.
It explains why I've been so successful in my life, while he's a
failure.
The cartel believes in inertia, which is the continuation of current
trend. For many years, the trend in Nashville has been to paint facades
and then expect everybody to honor them. The underlying message to
everyone in the industry is...we'll make more money if everybody plays
the game. For many years that may have been true, and the inertia grew.
I don't believe in inertia, and distrust its validity. More important
to me is human nature and the inevitability of change.
The artists you see on Nashville's stage are playing in the big
leagues. It's serious stuff with millions of dollars and years of
sacrifice at stake. As tends to happen to facades, they start to tilt
and topple over time. In Nashville's case, they definitely tilted
against women. From "She Thinks He'll Keep Her" to today was one giant
topple against a whole generation of talented country women.
So you've had dozens, if not a hundred, women step on that big-league
stage in the past five years and be told to accept a screw job. With
big stakes on the line, the cartel wants these women to walk on and off
stage on cue. Your turn to be famous. Nope. Now yours.
Accepting that demeaning role just isn't human nature. Almost all
humans are natural-born fighters and injustice makes them more so. You
can't tell a talent like LeAnn Rimes to step off the stage, and push a
no-talent like JoDee Messina in her place, and expect the facade to
remain.
The facade just becomes too unbelievable. The effort that goes into
maintaining it becomes too costly and confrontational, and soon you've
got all-out war on your hands.
That's what Nashville has come to. They can only put people in front of
the facade that will bow down to it. Total money-grubbing dickheads
like Steve Wariner. But if you put Kinky Friedman on the air, expect
him to tear the facade down.
Now, in the cartel's last act, Nashville is full of talented, visible
people who want to tear the facade down and tell the world about the
robbery of country music, our music. And we will.
Stella
Busgal58jb
>(even though he certainly wouldn't - its a small job, but somebody has to do
>it.)
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Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote in article <3784C15D...@udel.edu>...
>
> Your bit of truth? Whose to say your truth is no better than Stella's
>
> Coop
>
If you read what I wrote, you'll know the answer to that question. If you
attend Mindy's fan club events as I have, you'll know the answer.
Meanwhile, you still haven't responded to my question. Why do you attack
me, and not "Stella."
Country Boy
Scott <westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote in article
<37850E...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom>...
> Rockabi101 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Your bit of truth? Whose to say your truth is no better than Stella's
> > >
> > >Coop
> > >
> > Experience shows us ANYBODY's truth is better than Stella's.
>
> Mmm...I'm with Coop on this one. Cartel Boy comes across to me as
> someone _desperate_ to fabricate anything that might sound somewhat
> believable, in order to cover for the industry. There have just been too
> many outright fabrications, often in arrogance. If it's fiction, I'd
> rather read about alien abductions than meaningless copouts and boring
> misinformation.
>
Does that include "Stella's" charges of kiddie porn?
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7m35ka$3...@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com>...
>
>
>
> Cartel Boy just mirrors the mindset of the people he works for, the
> cartel.
Now who's believing the image and who's believing reality? If you actually
think I work for some kind of cartel, I've got some ocean front property
I'd like to sell you.
> You
> can't tell a talent like LeAnn Rimes to step off the stage, and push a
> no-talent like JoDee Messina in her place, and expect the facade to
> remain.
>
When did that happen? LeAnn Rimes is performing with Elton John, and
making a ton of money. Much more than JoDee Messina.
a
<UDL...@prodigy.com> writes:
>Does that include "Stella's" charges of kiddie porn?
Kiddie porn includes exploitation of any person below majority age. You
should understand that there's a hot trade in photos and movies of
young women just below majority age, from 14 to 17.
If you buy my theory that part of the allure of porn is to participate
in the permanent degradation of a woman, through loss of her potential,
you start to understand this allure.
The idea is, as soon as a female becomes recognizable as a woman, you
destroy her potential forever. Therefore, sexual exploitation of these
young women is one of the most horrible forms of child abuse.
I used to think that the most horrible abuse took place at the youngest
ages. Now I see different.
The pornsters and blackballers are more vulnerable than you think. The
act of violation creates barriers in survivors, which act as defenses
against the horror. The experience also can create a more expressive
personality, as the survivor attempts to convince herself she's not
forever flawed. This is why so many survivors go on to do well on
stage, as singers, musicians or beauty pageant contestants.
When Mindy connected with a million record buyers on "Ten Thousand
Angels," a lot of her strength derived from her defenses and expressive
personality. As survivors band together, these same strengths will put
many pornsters, blackballers and BTOs in jail, where they belong.
Stella
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7m4nqt$h...@dfw-ixnews15.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> If you buy my theory that part of the allure of porn is to participate
> in the permanent degradation of a woman, through loss of her potential,
> you start to understand this allure.
>
That's a very simplistic approach. Many women who participate (willingly)
in porn don't see it that way. They in fact see it as very empowering.
They view their body as an asset. It's far more degrading to have an
anonymous person (like you) create fiction about country artists and
present it to the public as the truth. Through these stories, you continue
to degrade these women, and bring them down to your level.
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
> Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote in article <3784C15D...@udel.edu>...
> >
> > Your bit of truth? Whose to say your truth is no better than Stella's
> >
> > Coop
> >
> If you read what I wrote, you'll know the answer to that question. If you
> attend Mindy's fan club events as I have, you'll know the answer.
> Meanwhile, you still haven't responded to my question. Why do you attack
> me, and not "Stella."
Stella has nothing to do with my statement regarding your comments. Why are
you trying to deflect this into a comparison of you and Stella?
Coop
Elmer Alley
Stella wrote in message <7m4nqt$h...@dfw-ixnews15.ix.netcom.com>...
>Kiddie porn includes exploitation of any person below majority age. You
>should understand that there's a hot trade in photos and movies of
>young women just below majority age, from 14 to 17.
This is your real business, isn't it?
>If you buy my theory that part of the allure of porn is to participate
>in the permanent degradation of a woman, through loss of her potential,
>you start to understand this allure.
You are not theorizing. You know, first hand, the lure of porn as as a way
to degrade women. It is YOU and only you who spends day after day spouting
vicious lies about the female performers of country music. You are a
pervert, Richard, and pornoghrapy and degradation of women is the center of
your life.
Elmer
a
<e.a...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>You are not theorizing. You know, first hand, the lure of porn as as
a way to degrade women. It is YOU and only you who spends day after day
spouting vicious lies about the female performers of country music. You
are a pervert, Richard, and pornoghrapy and degradation of women is the
center of your life.
I'm a survivor of child sex abuse of a severe nature. The shrinks say
three things that can make abuse severe.
* If the sex offender is a parent, particularly a pedophile.
* If the abuse is repetitive and manipulative from an early age,
continuing over years.
* If the abuse is violent, horrific, sadistic or ritualistic.
In my case, two of three apply. If all three apply, you're MPD.
Severe sex abuse has lasting impact. It becomes the color of your life,
whether you know it or not.
Most survivors bear the continued burden of guilt and shame, which
narrow-minded vindictive morons like Elmer Alley reinforce. That's why
it's hard for survivors to become good parents.
I didn't believe I could become a good parent until I confronted who I
was, the color of my life. As I've said, it was Suzy's music that
helped me do that.
If people know you're a survivor, they distrust you and think you're a
perv. It's well known that abused people are more likely to abuse
others, and this stigma is external, through the finger-pointing of
Elmer Alley nitwits, and also internalized as guilt. It's the "second
fuck" in the double-fucking of sex abuse survivors.
The only way we can undo the second fuck is to confront it, and we do
that in two ways. We can try to educate the Elmer Alleys of the world,
to the extent their pea brains allow. Or we can shove the shame they
try to lay on us straight back down their throats.
I believe in both.
One of the more poetic and honest abuse survivors in the music world is
Axl Rose, who wrote (educationally)...
"Don't damn me
When I speak a piece of my mind
'Cause silence isn't golden
When I'm holding it inside
'Cause I've been where I've been
An I've seen what I have seen
I put the pen to the paper
'Cause it's all a part of me"
Axl also wrote (shoving it back)...
"You wanna fuck with me, don't fuck with me
'Cause I'm what you'll be
So don't fuck with me
If you had better sense
You'd step aside
From the bad side of me
Don't fuck with the bad side of me"
Stella
Elmer Alley
Stella wrote in message <7m5o9k$d...@dfw-ixnews21.ix.netcom.com>...
Richard,
You have told the story of your sexual abuse as a child many times. I am
truly sorry that the tragedy occured. I certainly would not hold you
responsible or find you guilty in any way for the pain with which you must
cope.
The point I have tried to make to you, many times, is that your salvation
will not be found by constantly besmirching the names of others. You are
alleging things about their lives that are totally untrue and by doing this
you are misleading the new list members who do not know you as well as I.
You have admitted you have no factual knowledge to support any of your
allegations. You "hear" things in their songs that no one else hears.
You "see" scars on their faces in photographs that no one else can see.
You own pain distorts you perception of these performers. Your vision is
colored by your own situation. It may be therapeutic for you but when you
indulge these fantasies on the internet you do irreparable damage to the
very performers you say you want to help.
My previous post was designed only to get your attention. Think about it.
Cuss at me all you want but think about it.
Elmer
Country Boy
Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote in article <378614D9...@udel.edu>...
>
>
>
> Stella has nothing to do with my statement regarding your comments. Why
are
> you trying to deflect this into a comparison of you and Stella?
Because you seem to be selective in your criticism. My post was in
response to one made by "Stella," in which he repeated his twisted lies
about Mindy. You seem to feel those comments are fine. But you have
decided to single me out for some reason. I'm trying to understand why.
So in answer to your statement, I'm not deflecting this at all. The thread
was begun by "Stella," so it's quite on-topic. So quit beating around the
bush and answer the question. Or drop the subject.
Pippa
>Axl Rose, who wrote (educationally)...
Abuse survivor? Axl Rose? Then why is he so abusive toward women??
Either he's never been abused, or he sure as hell hasn't survived it.
>"Don't damn me
>When I speak a piece of my mind
>'Cause silence isn't golden
>When I'm holding it inside
>'Cause I've been where I've been
>An I've seen what I have seen
>I put the pen to the paper
>'Cause it's all a part of me"
You mean hitting women, starting riots and smashing neighbors over the head
with beer bottles is part of him?
>Axl also wrote (shoving it back)...
Yeah, he does that VERY well.
>"You wanna fuck with me, don't fuck with me
>'Cause I'm what you'll be
>So don't fuck with me
>If you had better sense
>You'd step aside
>From the bad side of me
>Don't fuck with the bad side of me"
You mean there's a good side to Axl? Where?
"Wrack off, you daggy head-banging veggie brain"
- Pippa McKenna, 1988
a
pippa...@aol.com (Pippa) wrote:
>>One of the more poetic and honest abuse survivors in the
music world is
>>Axl Rose, who wrote (educationally)...
>
>Abuse survivor? Axl Rose? Then why is he so abusive toward
women??
>
>Either he's never been abused, or he sure as hell hasn't
survived it.
>
>>"Don't damn me
>>When I speak a piece of my mind
>>'Cause silence isn't golden
>>When I'm holding it inside
>>'Cause I've been where I've been
>>An I've seen what I have seen
>>I put the pen to the paper
>>'Cause it's all a part of me"
>
>You mean hitting women, starting riots and smashing
neighbors over the head
>with beer bottles is part of him?
I already told the answers, but you didn't listen.
Women tend to bottle abuse and turn it inward into guilt and
self-loathing.
Men tend to release it and turn it outward into rage and
self-destruction.
I think Axl by himself, and in some cases co-writing with
Izzy Stradlin, produced some of the finest modern musical
poetry about rageful men who are abusive to women. He gave
voice to these men, so they could confront who they are.
Most male survivors were abused by their fathers...sexually,
physically or emotionally. That's because one of the tenets
of patriarchy was the idea that a man has no boundaries
within his own house and family. Of course, we no longer
believe that's true. That pillar of patriachy has been
destroyed in one lifetime.
When you're small and weak, and your big powerful Dad is
abusing you, you think to yourself..."Why isn't Mom
protecting me? Mom? Dad's abusing me again. Make him stop.
Mom? Where are you, you bitch?"
This is how lots of abused men turn their rage against women.
In counselling these men, the idea is to help them redirect
their rage toward the real object, which is their fathers.
They need to go confront their elderly fathers and beat them
up bad.
Stella
Balecox
Patsi
mslinda
>
> >One of the more poetic and honest abuse survivors in the music world is
> >Axl Rose, who wrote (educationally)...
>
> Abuse survivor? Axl Rose? Then why is he so abusive toward women??
>
> Either he's never been abused, or he sure as hell hasn't survived it.
>
> >"Don't damn me
> >When I speak a piece of my mind
> >'Cause silence isn't golden
> >When I'm holding it inside
> >'Cause I've been where I've been
> >An I've seen what I have seen
> >I put the pen to the paper
> >'Cause it's all a part of me"
>
> You mean hitting women, starting riots and smashing neighbors over the head
> with beer bottles is part of him?
>
>
> Yeah, he does that VERY well.
>
> >"You wanna fuck with me, don't fuck with me
> >'Cause I'm what you'll be
> >So don't fuck with me
> >If you had better sense
> >You'd step aside
> >From the bad side of me
> >Don't fuck with the bad side of me"
>
> You mean there's a good side to Axl? Where?
>
> "Wrack off, you daggy head-banging veggie brain"
> - Pippa McKenna, 1988
It sounds like you and I know a hell of a lot more about Axl than
Ricky/Stella do. Since he's driven off the rest of GNR, I hope that
album he's been "working on" for the last several years never sees the
light of day and he sinks even farther into the obscurity he so richly deserves.
Linda C.
Stacy Pleasant
Hmmm....Reba and Axl featured on a duet...wonder how that would sound? :-)
Thanks,
Stacy Brian Pleasant
*Fool, I'm a MAN!*
a
bal...@aol.com (Balecox) wrote:
>Why can't you take this abuse tirade to some mental health board.
Patsi, I'm not going to talk to you anymore, for the same reason I'm not
gonna talk to Elmer Alley anymore. You never post anything creative. All
your posts have become sniping, nasty attacks on me.
Both you and Elmer consider yourself creative people. But you make no
effort to share ideas of your own.
I keep waiting for Patsi Balecox or Elmer Alley to come up with just one
idea that isn't an attack on Stella. Or maybe a little creative writing.
I thought you were a writer, Patsi. So why is it that on this board you
sound like somebody who works at Taco Bell?
You both should think about why it's so important to sit there and snipe
at me, in the most negative ways. Is it a sign of senility?
Maybe if you tried to post something creative, you would see that it's
easy to shoot at people who post new ideas. Both Patsi Balecox and Elmer
Alley make me sick to my stomach.
Stella
mslinda
>
> Why can't you take this abuse tirade to some mental health board.
>
> Patsi
Maybe s/he's afraid a mental health professional would call the guys in
white coats to come and get him.
Linda C.
Country Boy
Stacy Pleasant <st...@always-onlineREMOVE.com> wrote in article
<HkRh3.7390$Le1.1...@news2.randori.com>...
> Did I mention I was a huge Guns N Roses fan before Reba? Of course I
did!
>
> Hmmm....Reba and Axl featured on a duet...wonder how that would sound?
:-)
>
Not unlike Joe Cocker and Juice Newton. Beauty and the Beast.
Balecox
the guys in
white coats to come and get him.<<<,
Exactly. Stella is good for comic relief about once every six months, and
that's it.
Patsi
Pippa
No, actually, you didn't. You call Axl an abuse survivor.. Well, trust me,
anyone who has actually survived abuse (not lived through it, but SURVIVED,
there's a difference) would not inflict abuse upon another person...
>Men tend to release it and turn it outward into rage and
>self-destruction.
Like I said, Stella, sounds like he may have lived through it, but he sure
ain't "survived it"...
Also, what abuse are we talking about here? Because, Axl's done a pretty damn
good job of abusing himself in life.
>I think Axl by himself, and in some cases co-writing with
>Izzy Stradlin, produced some of the finest modern musical
>poetry about rageful men who are abusive to women. He gave
>voice to these men, so they could confront who they are.
And pissed off many women, such as myself, by being a sexist, crude, vulgar
jackass... Yeah, an effective way to deal with one's feelings....
>When you're small and weak, and your big powerful Dad is
>abusing you, you think to yourself..."Why isn't Mom
>protecting me? Mom? Dad's abusing me again. Make him stop.
>Mom? Where are you, you bitch?"
So, instead of getting REAL help, the solution 20 years later is to follow in
dad's footsteps, and abuse innocent people (mostly women)?? I repeat, Stella,
this is NOT surviving abuse.. This is keeping the sick chain going...
>This is how lots of abused men turn their rage against women.
And two wrongs NEVER make a right.
>In counselling these men, the idea is to help them redirect
>their rage toward the real object, which is their fathers.
I think the only counselors Axl has seen are bottles and needles.
>They need to go confront their elderly fathers and beat them
>up bad.
Ohh, yes. Violence fixes everything. Keeping the violent chain going is the
solution.. Have you EVER heard of rising above the wrongs in your life, and the
world? Kicking the crap out of their elderly fathers is lowering themselves to
their level...
This has got to be one of the most twisted things I've ever seen anyone post..
Pippa
>Ricky/Stella do.
That much is certain...Even if you consider Axl a great musician, there is
nothing to admire about Axl the person... I don't know if Axl really was abused
- outside of his self-inflicted abuse - but continuing the chain of abuse by
starting riots at concerts, hitting neighbors with beer bottles, and punching
his wife only shows he's a sick bastard who has done nothing to deal with his
abuse... Either he's your typical "macho man" who thinks therapy and crying are
for sisses and doesn't care to help himself, or he's an asshole who thinks
abusing women is okay. I'm leaning toward the latter.
You know, I've gone through my share of abuse in my life. And since I know how
much it hurt, and still hurts to this day, there's no way in hell I could turn
around and inflict any kind of abuse upon another human being... I happen to be
a very compassionate person - even though I admit I can come across like an
opinionated pain in the ass - and I have far too much compassion for people in
general to hurt a human being even remotely as much as I've been hurt in my
life.. I'd rather die than hurt another person.
You'd think if Axl was abused and hurt the way Stella made it sound, he'd have
the same mentality. Really makes me wonder about him...
>Since he's driven off the rest of GNR, I hope that
>album he's been "working on" for the last several years never sees the
>light of day and he sinks even farther into the obscurity he so richly
>deserves.
Axl's attitude and ego has destroyed GnR - no real loss, if you ask me... I
hope this album he's been "working on" since 1994 never gets recorded, and I
hope his career is finished.. Not only has he destroyed his band and career,
and deserves a life of obscurity, but I consider it karma and payback for the
pain he's caused so many others in his life... Someone who has hurt so many
innocent people doesn't deserve a career or success. I'm sorry if that sounds
cold, but damnit, every so often I like to see the nice guys finish first and
the nasty ones finish last - the way it should be.. Axl has had many years and
chances to fix himself and turn his life around, and he's chosen to vent his
pain out and cause others pain than heal himself.
Pippa
>
>Hmmm....Reba and Axl featured on a duet...wonder how that would sound? :-)
I don't think I'd want to hear Reba's voice and song ruined by Axl's
presence...
Pippa
I felt I should comment on this line from my own post.. I don't want anyone who
ever dealt with substance abuse to take this as a cheapshot, because it was not
intended that way - and I apologize to anyone who has taken it that way..
People have different ways of coping with problems and pain, and some have done
so with drugs and alcohol... And I don't hold that against them. My "anger" in
my previous post wasn't directed at people who may have made mistakes in their
life and hope they coped with their pain, but people like Axl Rose, who would
rather abuse others than help themselves.... Axl's substance abuse problems
aren't my problem, his abuse of others problem is.
Again, my apologies to anyone who may have taken this the wrong way.
Scott
>
> Scott wrote ...
> > Mmm...I'm with Coop on this one. Cartel Boy comes across to me as
> > someone _desperate_ to fabricate anything that might sound somewhat
> > believable, in order to cover for the industry. There have just been too
>
> > many outright fabrications, often in arrogance. If it's fiction, I'd
> > rather read about alien abductions than meaningless copouts and boring
> > misinformation.
>
> Does that include "Stella's" charges of kiddie porn?
I don't recall Stella ever defending, rationalizing, or justifying kiddie
porn.
Country Boy
Scott <westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote in article
<37890A...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom>...
>
> I don't recall Stella ever defending, rationalizing, or justifying kiddie
> porn.
>
Since you love to search dejanews so much, simply go back to the start of
this thread. If you notice the header says "Joe Gallante and the Degrading
Nature of Porn." In the first article, "Stella" repeats his/her long
standing story that Mindy McCready engaged in kiddie porn. This is a story
that Stella has told for two years. It's a story that has no foundation in
truth.
Scott
>
> Scott wrote ...
> >
> > I don't recall Stella ever defending, rationalizing, or justifying kiddie
>
> > porn.
> >
>
> Since you love to search dejanews so much, simply go back to the start of
> this thread. If you notice the header says "Joe Gallante and the Degrading
> Nature of Porn." In the first article, "Stella" repeats his/her long
> standing story that Mindy McCready engaged in kiddie porn. This is a story
> that Stella has told for two years. It's a story that has no foundation in
> truth.
I've told you before, I don't need to search deja.com. My memory is just
fine. And since you can't remember that, evidently yours is shot.
And in this thread, so far I can't find anyplace where Stella defends,
rationalizes, or justifies kiddie porn. If you can find an instance, I
dare you to point it out.
And you've misspelled Joe's name.
Country Boy
Scott <westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote in article
<37891A...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom>...
>
>
> I've told you before, I don't need to search deja.com. My memory is just
> fine. And since you can't remember that, evidently yours is shot.
>
> And in this thread, so far I can't find anyplace where Stella defends,
> rationalizes, or justifies kiddie porn. If you can find an instance, I
> dare you to point it out.
>
So then you agree with what "Stella" says about Mindy? Or are you just
nit-picking again? Therefore, I can tell lies or invent stories, but if I
defend, rationalize, or justify anything, that's a crime? Or do you have
a different set of rules for me?
a
"Country Boy" <UDL...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>> And in this thread, so far I can't find anyplace where Stella defends,
>> rationalizes, or justifies kiddie porn. If you can find an instance,
I dare you to point it out.
>>
>
>So then you agree with what "Stella" says about Mindy? Or are you just
>nit-picking again? Therefore, I can tell lies or invent stories, but if
I defend, rationalize, or justify anything, that's a crime? Or do you
have a different set of rules for me?
If you went into a court of law on a case of kiddie porn, you would find
there's no shades of gray. The child abused by kiddie pornsters is the
victim, represented by the state. The pornographers who depicted and
exploited her are the defendants, facing a minimum of ten years in
prison. There's none of the questions that would apply in adult porn
regarding consent or socially redeeming value. The state would simply
prove that the young woman did appear in porn before majority age. Then,
the people who made the porn would be sleeping on hard cots a long time.
There's no defense against the charge of exploiting a women 17 years or
younger in a sexual act, other than "I didn't do it." In these days,
jurors despise kiddie pornsters and those who collaborate with them.
My point is this. If Joe Galante knows that Mindy was the victim of
pornography before age 18, doesn't he have a responsibility to tell the
states of Tennessee and Florida what he knows?
If a BTO collaborates with those who racketeer to deny Mindy a chance to
earn a living, is that a crime in itself?
I want Joe Galante to start opening his mouth and talking truth to the
appropriate authorities in Florida and Tennessee. Otherwise, I want Joe
Galante to face the legal consequences of the actions he's taking.
There's no horses or men in Germany that will save Joe Galante from truth
and justice, when the time comes. If he's perceived as damaged goods, Joe
Galante will be thrown overboard by Bertlesmann in a heartbeat.
Stella
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7mblj1$9...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> My point is this. If Joe Galante knows that Mindy was the victim of
> pornography before age 18, doesn't he have a responsibility to tell the
> states of Tennessee and Florida what he knows?
>
And if the whole thing is fiction, don't you have the responsibility to
admit it?
If your employer finds out something about your past, he actually has no
responsibility to tell anyone anything unless the authorities ask.
> If a BTO collaborates with those who racketeer to deny Mindy a chance to
> earn a living, is that a crime in itself?
>
No one is denying anyone a chance to do anything. You might take this up
with her manager, whose job it is to get her work.
> I want Joe Galante to start opening his mouth and talking truth to the
> appropriate authorities in Florida and Tennessee. Otherwise, I want Joe
> Galante to face the legal consequences of the actions he's taking.
>
Which actions did he take?
a
<UDL...@prodigy.com> writes:
>If your employer finds out something about your past, he actually has
no responsibility to tell anyone anything unless the authorities ask.
You have a 22-year old daughter.
Five years ago, she was horribly exploited by kiddie pornsters who
filmed her in sex acts. Those depictions are circulating all over the
world, for all to see. Only you don't know about it.
All you know is...your daughter can't get work. Doors are slamming in
her face at every turn.
One man for whom your daughter has worked, the Chief Executive Office
of an international corporation, knows many details about the violation
of your daughter. But this CEO will not bring the information forth to
law enforcement, so they can investigate and prosecute. Also, this CEO
watches your daughter's career being blackballed in secret and says not
one public word against it. Also, this CEO has taken measures to
perpetuate the secrecy and silence.
Then, one day you find out all this is true. What do you feel?
Stella
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7mcme7$p...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> All you know is...your daughter can't get work. Doors are slamming in
> her face at every turn.
You keep saying she can't get work. Yet she keeps getting work. She has a
record deal. She just finished recording an album. She makes personal
appearances. Radio stations are playing her new single. And no one has
ever been able to produce these pictures you keep talking about. Including
you. How do you reconcile this conflict?
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
Well, I was willing to drop it but since you asked...My comments were in regard
to your statement regarding Mindy and her mother which had no bearing in this
discussion. I singled it out because it was an arrogant statement for you to
make. I would have singled it out in a discussion with anyone. The "if you
knew what I knew" type of arguement has always been a real turnoff to me. It
came across to me as a bit much. Finally, I choose when and where I want to
make a comment to Stella, not you.
Coop
Scott
>
> Scott wrote ...
> >
> > I've told you before, I don't need to search deja.com. My memory is just
>
> > fine. And since you can't remember that, evidently yours is shot.
> >
> > rationalizes, or justifies kiddie porn. If you can find an instance, I
> > dare you to point it out.
>
> So then you agree with what "Stella" says about Mindy? Or are you just
> nit-picking again?
I could really give a flying crap about Mindy, or what Stella says about
her. That subject doesn't interest me. Now if Stella said someone
should cream-pie Mary-Chapin Carpenter, *that* would interest me. Maybe
I could chip in.
> Therefore, I can tell lies or invent stories,
You've been doing that all along.
> but if I
> defend, rationalize, or justify anything, that's a crime? Or do you have
> a different set of rules for me?
Although what you do seems criminal, I didn't say it was a crime.
But since this group is supposed to be about music, and I believe
that traditional country music should be the norm not the exception, and
I believe the public should be presented with a wider choice not
narrower, through radio, yet you defend, justify, and rationalize the
very opposite, then Yes, I think you are the true antagonist against
music here.
Stella writes about some really off-the-wall things, and a certain degree
of it is fiction. You're pointing out those things to try to say you are
better. I'd rather read an amount of bizarre stuff, than someone anxious
to relegate traditional country music to obscurity, and radio to a
mindless drone. Looking at everything in perspective, you are quite the
villain.
I'm sorry but that's the way I see it.
Stacy Pleasant
Scott wrote ...
>Stella writes about some really off-the-wall things, and a certain degree
>of it is fiction. You're pointing out those things to try to say you are
>better. I'd rather read an amount of bizarre stuff, than someone anxious
>to relegate traditional country music to obscurity, and radio to a
>mindless drone. Looking at everything in perspective, you are quite the
>villain.
Scott,
Personally, I've grown quite tired of the infantile tiffs that you and CB
have with each other. But to justify Stella's cruel and callous posts as
yet another attempt to insult CB is really going too far. Insult CB all
you'd like but please don't even give the appearance that his posts are more
'villainous' than Stella's. Stella's sole intent is to insult and degrade
innocent people.
Thanks,
Stacy Brian Pleasant
Scott
> But to justify Stella's cruel and callous posts as
> yet another attempt to insult CB is really going too far.
I didn't really think I justified them.
> Insult CB all
> you'd like but please don't even give the appearance that his posts are more
> 'villainous' than Stella's. Stella's sole intent is to insult and degrade
> innocent people.
I'm not sure if that's Stella's intent or not. Even if it is, it's
happening to a few people. And I don't care. My concern is music and
radio. I stand behind what I said.
Country Boy
> Scott wrote ...
> >Stella writes about some really off-the-wall things, and a certain
degree
> >of it is fiction.
Which you seem to accept from him/her, but not me. If I were to write
fiction, you'd attack it as "lies" and attack me until your fingers bled.
As you have in the past.
>>You're pointing out those things to try to say you are
> >better.
No. I'm trying to understand why different rules only apply to me.
>> I'd rather read an amount of bizarre stuff, than someone anxious
> >to relegate traditional country music to obscurity, and radio to a
> >mindless drone.
I've never said anything of the kind. I just attempt to explain why things
are. Just because I tell you the bad news and you don't like it doesn't
mean I agree with what's going on. But it *is* going on, and very little
you do in Usenet will change it.
>> Looking at everything in perspective, you are quite the
> >villain.
>
Only to you and the other complainers.
mslinda
>
> ><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Joe Galante and the Degrading Nature of
> >From: bal...@aol.com (Balecox)
> >Date: Sun, 11 July 1999 04:54 AM EDT
> >Message-id: <19990711045454...@ng-cg1.aol.com>
>
> I think you be to hard on stella. She has lots intressting thangs to say hear.
> I been reeding this bullten bord for abot sevin weeks and i think she is the
> most intellgint one hear at leest she speeks up abot rasism and black fokes
> like me. countrey music need more black peeple. I like Trinni Trigs an thank
> he well be a big star somday. Tyrone
Look, gang - Sandy Quick has a dumber brother!
Linda C.
Tyronejett
a
writes:
>> I think you be to hard on stella. She has lots intressting thangs to
say hear. I been reeding this bullten bord for abot sevin weeks and i
think she is the most intellgint one hear at leest she speeks up abot
rasism and black fokes like me. countrey music need more black peeple.
I like Trinni Trigs an thank he well be a big star somday. Tyrone
>
>Look, gang - Sandy Quick has a dumber brother!
>
>Linda C.
Tyrone, thanks for your comments and I hope you feel welcome here.
Don't be bothered by Linda or her slurs. She's a stupid, nasty, bitter
bitch. She does her best to make all newbies feel unwelcome, because
it's important for her to be "the expert."
What I've said all along is...if there was even one or two black
artists prominent in today's Nashville country, the music would have a
future. Trini Triggs has everything it takes, and played by all the
rules. But he was still blackballed because of his color.
Stella
Tyronejett
>Date: Tue, 13 July 1999 07:36 AM EDT
>Message-id: <7mf8c4$s...@dfw-ixnews16.ix.netcom.com>
I not pay atenchin to linda c. She is meen to evryone. I sorrey I not smart
like evrybody els but i had sum of my brane taked out cus i wus shoot by a
rober five yeers ago an i reel lukky be live. I nevr heer Trinni on radeo
at all. my granney has all charly pride rekrds an i lissen thim a lot an i
like charlypride to. I dont thank peepel in nashvell like black peepel vary
much an i not nowe why cus i like countrey musec an want heer morr black
countrey sangers. Do you hav a adriss i can rite a lettr to Trinni trigs or
charly Pride. Tyrone
a
(Tyronejett) writes:
>I not pay atenchin to linda c. She is meen to evryone. I sorrey I not
smart like evrybody els but i had sum of my brane taked out cus i wus
shoot by a rober five yeers ago an i reel lukky be live. I nevr heer
Trinni on radeo at all. my granney has all charly pride rekrds an i
lissen thim a lot an i like charlypride to. I dont thank peepel in
nashvell like black peepel vary much an i not nowe why cus i like
countrey musec an want heer morr black countrey sangers. Do you hav a
adriss i can rite a lettr to Trinni trigs or charly Pride. Tyrone
I'm sorry to hear you was shot, Tyrone. You're a survivor.
Most folks in Nashville aren't against black people. There's many black
people in Nashville, and most of them like music. If you went to the
black universities there like Fisk or Tennessee State, you'd hear good
music of all types, including country/folk.
There's a small number of people in Nashville who are bigoted toward
blacks, and those people are in control of Nashvill's country music.
It's a big reason the rest of the U.S. is turning away from Nashville
music. Because country music bigshots are so narrow-minded, they can't
see how much racism is hurting them.
Most of the writers and artists in Nashville aren't racists, Tyrone.
They're just cowards of the worst type. They will not stand up for a
principle. Why? When someone stands on principle, even a child like
LeAnn Rimes, she is criminally blackballed. And the rest of the artists
and writers just cave in. They are very sad people, Tyrone. You're a
lot smarter and braver than they are.
Stella
Country Boy
a <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<7mfv1u$b...@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com>...
> When someone stands on principle, even a child like
> LeAnn Rimes, she is criminally blackballed.
>
The only principal LeAnn Rimes ever stood on was the administrator of her
elementary school. And if I could make the kind of money she makes, I'd
gladly be "blackballed."
Tyronejett
>Message-id: <7mfv1u$b...@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com>
Thankyou Stella you mak me feel beter abot myself. i thank you is a reely good
pirsen. Lots peepel call me dummey an stooped an it maks me feel reely bad..
I dOnt unerstand sum of whut you say but its good to nowe not evrybudy in
NAshvell is rasist an i jus wunt to heer more black peepel sang contrey musec
an on radeo to becus i cant eford to by rekerds an taps. My granney show me
how use cumputir an ireely like lurneng cumputir she mite by me TRInni tRigs
alvum this week an i reely eksitid abot get Trrinnis alvum. why you say trinni
be blackbaled. I not nowe whut that meen. Tyrone.
Coop
> In <37837D56...@udel.edu> Coop <co...@udel.edu> writes:
>
>
> >Is this statement really necessary? Her relationship with her mother
> is none of our business.
>
>
> I agree with you, Coop, the issue isn't about Joe Galante's mother.
> It's about how well Joe Galante does his job for fans.
>
> Most record-industry BTOs like Joe Galante don't think like that. To
> them, fans are just the stupid suckers who buy their records.
>
> But Joe Galante has a responsibility to record-buying fans, just like
> he has a responsibility to the greedy Germans at Bertlesmann.
>
> If you tied Joe Galante down and forced him to talk honest, he might
> tell you he never bargained for fighting back against pornsters and
> blackballers. He just wanted to be in the music biz and make records.
>
> My point is that it goes beyond what biz you're in. It's like...are you
> real? Are you human?
>
> If you drove down the highway and saw somebody lying by the side of the
> road, bleeding to death, would you stop and try to help? Some people
> would say...No, not my job. Don't want to get involved. To me, they're
> not real or human.
>
> To me, if you see a young entertainer like Mindy being screwed royal,
> you gotta stop and help. Joe thinks he helped. But he didn't.
>
> He certainly didn't help Mindy's many fans, who still don't know what
> the hell happened to her. Joe Galante screwed the fans. So now it's
> time for fans to screw him.
>
> Stella
Bump, interesting now
