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Worst Acts In Country Today-----Please Read Objectively

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ALLTM

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Sep 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/17/99
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I will now give my list of bands that I feel have led to the downward spiral of
country music that we are currently experiencing. I'll try to give my reason
why they are so terrible as well. I know many of the young girls that read
this will disagree with everything I say. However, most of the objective,
independent, clear thinking individuals should agree, but there are always
exceptions.

Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes, total wuss, no guts

Reba----she has some great old stuff, the new stuff is horrible. She twists
words way too much, and forces that awful accent. Can she not scream a song?

John Michael Mont.---couldn't carry a note in a bucket, chicks think he's cute

Kenny Chesney---He used to be my favorite. Get a copy of his first album
"Whatever It Takes" and see how he used to rock. He sold out, he's soft, and
he sings crap like "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy"---Uggh! Ballads!

Mark Wills---Caught Ballad Fever, pretty voice, but I think he's a woman

Joe Diffie----No real reason, just never liked him

Doug Stone----See Joe Diffie

Pam Tillis-----ANNOYING, unplug your nose girl!

Lonestar----Again, great 1st album, and then what happened? The new stuff is
awful. Amazed is a good ballad, but it's still a ballad

Ricochet----The band is cool, but the lead singer is a dork, and a real asshole
too

Sawyer Brown---from right around my neck of the woods, but why does Mark Miller
sing? I mean who told him he could?

Alabama---Everyone needs to know when to say goodbye

Steve Wariner-----His older stuff is awesome, it can't be touched. The new
stuff is crap

Mindy McCready----get into porn where you belong

Tim McGraw---Would not be on this list, except for that new album he put out
rots

Faith Hill----for wussifying Tim McGraw

This is only the beginning. I also include all the young pretty people who
have no substance to their music. I'd list them but there are so many!

I'm sure some of you hate me now, and that's OK. I don't judge others, I mind
my own business, and take care of my family and friends. Wait a minute, didn't
some country music used to be about that stuff too? I don't know what this
cookie cutter garbage their putting out today is about.

Matt

Ray Zuniga

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Sep 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/17/99
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Matt,

First you start out with this:

In article <19990917151243...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,


ALLTM <al...@aol.com> wrote:
>I will now give my list of bands that I feel have led to the downward spiral of
>country music that we are currently experiencing. I'll try to give my reason
>why they are so terrible as well. I know many of the young girls that read

<snip>

Then you end by saying this:

> I don't judge others,

So which part was not the truth? The part of your post with your
judgement of the artists you listed or the part where you said you
don't judge others?

Ray
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KJCSmith1

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Sep 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/17/99
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>Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes,

LOL....gay clothes???? Now this is really stupid.....LOL


>'m sure some of you hate me now, and that's OK. I don't judge others, I mind
>my own business, and take care of my family and friends

Sure sounds like your judging!!! But sounds more like your jealous of their
success!!

Liz

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Sep 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/17/99
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Well.... I'm sure everyone has a right to their opinions. But your
statements were really not clear. All of these singers are great in their
own right and each has a unique way of displaying their talents. I give all
of them credit for even TRYING I don't see where you have tried or have even
been SUCCESSFUL at singing. Like these wonderful people have been! If you
are and are still trying to sing I wish you good luck but it's not an easy
road and I can't believe that you came on here saying you would not judge
others but really harshly critisized them in the way they sing, dress and
act. Some of these people have actually touched lives. For instance Pam
Tillis (who is my favorite singer) she has really helped me through the knot
holes of life and her voice is BEAUTIFUL. Maybe you have a different opinion
but if you don't like it then why listen and complain about it? I'm sorry
but those artists who I do not care for I don't go around complaining or
critisizing for respect of other's tastes! Please be respectful! Ok I'm
getting off the soap box now!


Erin

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Sep 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/17/99
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ALLTM babbled:

>
> Joe Diffie----No real reason, just never liked him

First off, let me get this straight...you don't like him (BTW, have you
met Joe? ever?), so of course, he's the reason (or at least one of the
reasons) that country music is not country anymore. Question: in your
mind, what genre does Joe fit into? Rock? Pop?

> Ricochet----The band is cool, but the lead singer is ... [then rambling on idiotically]

***WHATEVER!!!*** Have you ever met Heath? He is one of the nicest
guys in country music, nothing like the person you describe here. Just
because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a dork. Every time I've
seen him and talked to him, he's been a total sweetheart. And in my
mind, he's a true country boy. And furthermore, he's one of the best
damn guitarists I've ever heard. And he (and Greg and Jr. and Eddie and
Teddy and formerly Jeff) is another one of those who definitely isn't
contributing to country's demise. The guy grew up listening to country
and still loves it as much as anyone. I'll grant you that some Ricochet
songs haven't been totally country ("Daddy's Money," for example), but
they have to cut a few radio friendly songs to sell the records so they
can make the real country.

> I'm sure some of you hate me now, and that's OK. I don't judge others, I mind
> my own business, and take care of my family and friends. Wait a minute, didn't
> some country music used to be about that stuff too? I don't know what this
> cookie cutter garbage their putting out today is about.

I don't hate you; I feel sorry for you. You're so busy *JUDGING* that
you're missing out on some great music.

Erin

Diane Davis

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Sep 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/17/99
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This is really great!! And just what music do you like - Waylon and
Willie. C'mon you might not be judging, but it sounds like it to me.
Most of the acts that you have listed have done great things for all
sorts of charities. They are humanitarians as well as great singers.


Brian Thompson

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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I can't see how you can put down an artist for what they do. Each individual
has there own different style of doing there music. Pam also is my favorite
singer as well. I have known her since 1991 and she is one of the most
caring and down to earth person that I have met in country music. And as far
as unplugged her nose, there is nothing wrong with Pam's nose. I love the
way she sings,she has that beautiful twang in her voice. So don't judge
someone without walking a mile in their shoes.
Brian
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Craig Franck

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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al...@aol.com (ALLTM) wrote:
>I will now give my list of bands that I feel have led to the downward spiral of
>country music that we are currently experiencing. I'll try to give my reason
>why they are so terrible as well. I know many of the young girls that read
>this will disagree with everything I say. However, most of the objective,
>independent, clear thinking individuals should agree, but there are always
>exceptions.

>Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes, total wuss, no guts

True, but chicks like gay. They see them as nonthreatening and deep
down feel the need to convert them.

>Reba----she has some great old stuff, the new stuff is horrible. She twists
>words way too much, and forces that awful accent. Can she not scream a song?

I heard a new song of her's today and liked it. It's true her vocal
flourishes can be a bit much, but I think her music is better than
most of what gets played today.

>Pam Tillis-----ANNOYING, unplug your nose girl!

I like her voice. I met Pam at a Riverfest. You want annoying: Sherrie
Austin. She sounds cute at first, but imagine listening to an entire
Sherrie Austin album?

>Steve Wariner-----His older stuff is awesome, it can't be touched. The new
>stuff is crap

There is no redemption possible for that teardrop nonsense.

--
Craig
clfr...@worldnet.att.net
Manchester, NH
Don't judge someone by a TV commercial. Anyone can be nice for
30 seconds when they are getting paid enough. -- Dale Houston


cmur...@my-deja.com

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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In article <19990917151243...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
al...@aol.com (ALLTM) wrote:
>
Never to miss out on a best/worst list, i have to give my
opinion.Although, I don't agree with some of your choices, it is your
opinion and you are entitled to it. The worst country acts I think are:
1. Shania Twain- not even country anymore but as long as they play her
music on CMT, i will have to consider her country.

2.Mindy McCready-a DEANA CARTER wannabe

3.Colin Raye- too sensitive for me ( really sappy music)

4.Leeann Rimes- sings about things she can't possobly understand at her
age so therefore she sounds phony.

Remember, this is just my opinion.


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JillTill18

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OK Matt.

You just had to get me started didn't you. I am a journalist so pardon me if I
tend to write to much, because I tend to do that when I am pissed off.
First of all you completely contradicted yourself when you said, "I'm sure some


of you hate me now, and that's OK. I don't judge others, I mind my own
business, and take care of my family and friends."

OK. What did you do when you talked about my favorite singer, Pam Tillis of 10
years. YOU JUDGED HER. You said you don't judge others but when you say'd that
she needed to unplug her noes and that Mindy McCready needed to go into porn
you Judged them. Mindy is from my hometown and she is one of the sweetest
people and obviously you don't know her and you are JUDGING her by what she
looks like on the outside and not the inside.
If you would have said that stuff about Pam even though it is not true it
wouldn't have been so bad if you would have not said that you don't judge
others cause that is an untrue statement.
If you take such a great care of your family and friends than that is what you
should be doing, rather then coming on here and putting down people that you
don't know.
NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR PISSING OFF A JOURNALIST AND A PAM FAN OF 10
YEARS!!!

Diane Davis

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I definitely agree with you on Shania and Leann. Have you heard South
Sixty Five - they're really great - a newer version of the Oak Ridge
Boys.


jimander

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Hey Don't Ever Put Down Collin Raye He Is One Of The Better Artist There Is

Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?

CLA


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Scott Cason

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KJCSmith1 wrote:

> Sure sounds like your judging!!! But sounds more like your jealous of their
> success!!

Why is it on here, when someone says they don't like an artists someone
always jumps in with the jealousy thing? I ain't jealous of anyone. I
have success in my life the way _I_ define it. Alot of the artists
named on that list I don't like either for pretty much the same
reasons. The only artists that I can see that were modestly successful
were Reba an Alabama. The rest of them are pretty much struggling.

As with most things on this NG, those were Matt's OPINIONS. If you
don't agree with them, and only want to attack him for his OPINIONS,
then resist the urge and move on to the next message.


Scott

Scott Cason

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jimander wrote:
>
> Hey Don't Ever Put Down Collin Raye He Is One Of The Better Artist There Is
>
> Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?

Why can't people understand that you don't capitalize every word in a
sentance?


Scott

jimander

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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Well I guess in your so called opinion EVERY GROUP SUCKS! All those people
must be doing something right they are the one's making all the money and
have all the fans. Frankly I listen to most of the people you mentioned. I
find their music great I am sure A lot of other people share my thought. I
mean you mine as well said the whole darn country population sucks but this
is only one persons opinion. I like all those artist

CLA

remain.com

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:22:09 GMT cmur...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <19990917151243...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
> al...@aol.com (ALLTM) wrote:
> >
> Never to miss out on a best/worst list, i have to give my
> opinion.Although, I don't agree with some of your choices, it is your
> opinion and you are entitled to it. The worst country acts I think are:

> 3.Colin Raye- too sensitive for me ( really sappy music)

--------------------------------------------------

The king of sappy has got to be Steve Wariner. Each song he comes out
with is more sappy than the last. I thought "Two Teardrops" was bad
but "I'm Already Taken" is even worse.
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Mjbeagle

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>Hey Don't Ever Put Down Collin Raye He Is One Of The Better Artist There Is
>
>Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?
>
> CLA
>

We can deal with love songs. But not sappy all the time. I think of love
less along the lines of sappy and more along the lines of "My Heart Skips a
Beat." It's an exciting thing, gets your blood flowing.

KJCSmith1

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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>don't agree with them, and only want to attack him for his OPINIONS,
>then resist the urge and move on to the next message.

I wasn't attacking him....in the tone of the way he wrote his post it sounds
like jealously not just an opinon!! And I never said YOU were jealous that was
to the writer of the orginal post!!!

Erin

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I'm not sure that it has anything to do with jealousy. Regardless, I
wouldn't have replied had he said "I think "He Left A Lot To Be Desired"
is a bad song." That's his opinion. But he didn't say that. He
attacked Heath (of Ricochet), a guy who didn't deserve the rude
comments. Also, the writer of the original post stated "I will now give


my list of bands that I feel have led to the downward spiral of

country music that we are currently experiencing." He then included Joe
Diffie and Doug Stone in his list. Well, I have to challenge him if he
thinks the two of them have contributed to the "downward spiral of
country music." If he doesn't like them, then that's fine...but he
shouldn't say they aren't country just because he doesn't like them.

Erin

angel...@my-deja.com

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In article <19990917160230...@ng-fm1.aol.com>,

kjcs...@aol.com (KJCSmith1) wrote:
> >Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes,
>
> LOL....gay clothes???? Now this is really stupid.....LOL>

Yeah. Bryan wears clothes that are in style for a man today.

Angela

angel...@my-deja.com

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In article <7s005d$uqv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
cmur...@my-deja.com wrote:
Mindy McCready-a DEANA CARTER
wannabe>

I wouldn't say that Mindy is a Deana wannabe. I don't think there is any
comparision, except for the hair.

F. Gentry

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If you had ever heard my band then you could post about the worst acts
in country music. The best playing I did I don't remember it. Thats how
bad it was.
--
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Scott Cason

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KJCSmith1 wrote:
>
> >don't agree with them, and only want to attack him for his OPINIONS,
> >then resist the urge and move on to the next message.
>
> I wasn't attacking him....in the tone of the way he wrote his post it sounds
> like jealously not just an opinon!! And I never said YOU were jealous that was
> to the writer of the orginal post!

If that is what you heard, then I think you read it wrong. He was
simply stating his opinions. That is what the NG is for.


Scott

jim...@webtv.net

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I gues all you own is a radio, you don't have a tv oryou don't read or
something, there is no downward spiral of country music it is on the top
of all the charts you un educated __________


James Michael Randorff

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In article <7s048p$1gvv$1...@news.hcol.net>, "jimander" <jima...@fastol.com>
writes:

>Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?

People can deal with a love song... it's when we get bombarded by the same
stinkin' thing said over and over again with a slightly different voice, a
slightly different melody, and slightly different chords (ok, I'm exaggerating
there... lately, there has been some pretty amazing orchestration going on
with these pretty lousy songs) that we get a little sick of it. After a
hundred bowls of chocolate ice cream, wouldn't you be beggin' for a T-Bone? Or
maybe at least a bowl of vanilla? How about some Pepto?

Later,
~~ James Michael Randorff (jran...@aol.com)
~~ http://hometown.aol.com/jrandorff/index.html

"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world... she walks into
mine." -- The late, great, Humphrey Bogart, from "Casablanca"

Aux

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You forgot to add these

Shania Twain- pop music slut

Bryan White clones- the fem looking types

Rapper/Backstreet Boy clones- look more like they belong in a hip-hop group

Dixie Chick clones- enough girl trios


ALLTM <al...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990917151243...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> I will now give my list of bands that I feel have led to the downward
spiral of


> country music that we are currently experiencing. I'll try to give my
reason
> why they are so terrible as well. I know many of the young girls that
read
> this will disagree with everything I say. However, most of the objective,
> independent, clear thinking individuals should agree, but there are always
> exceptions.
>

> Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes, total wuss, no guts


>
> Reba----she has some great old stuff, the new stuff is horrible. She
twists
> words way too much, and forces that awful accent. Can she not scream a
song?
>

> John Michael Mont.---couldn't carry a note in a bucket, chicks think he's
cute
>
> Kenny Chesney---He used to be my favorite. Get a copy of his first album
> "Whatever It Takes" and see how he used to rock. He sold out, he's soft,
and
> he sings crap like "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy"---Uggh! Ballads!
>
> Mark Wills---Caught Ballad Fever, pretty voice, but I think he's a woman
>

> Joe Diffie----No real reason, just never liked him
>

> Doug Stone----See Joe Diffie


>
> Pam Tillis-----ANNOYING, unplug your nose girl!
>

> Lonestar----Again, great 1st album, and then what happened? The new stuff
is
> awful. Amazed is a good ballad, but it's still a ballad
>
> Ricochet----The band is cool, but the lead singer is a dork, and a real
asshole
> too
>
> Sawyer Brown---from right around my neck of the woods, but why does Mark
Miller
> sing? I mean who told him he could?
>
> Alabama---Everyone needs to know when to say goodbye
>

> Steve Wariner-----His older stuff is awesome, it can't be touched. The
new
> stuff is crap
>

> Mindy McCready----get into porn where you belong
>
> Tim McGraw---Would not be on this list, except for that new album he put
out
> rots
>
> Faith Hill----for wussifying Tim McGraw
>
>
>
> This is only the beginning. I also include all the young pretty people
who
> have no substance to their music. I'd list them but there are so many!
>

> I'm sure some of you hate me now, and that's OK. I don't judge others, I
mind

> my own business, and take care of my family and friends. Wait a minute,
didn't
> some country music used to be about that stuff too? I don't know what
this
> cookie cutter garbage their putting out today is about.
>

> Matt

KeVlaR

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You seem to have forgotten GARTH BROOKS....

I used to like him then I came to my senses. His first few albums were
decent but when he released "Dead Horses" he started to go downhill and has
shown no signs of stopping.

For me, some of the best artists releasing country CD's now are those form
Texas, Dale Watson et al.

Just my £0.2p worth!

All flame mail will go in the trash where it belongs!

KeVlaR
http://www.karo.net/d-evans

Lee Clayton

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al...@aol.com writes:
>
>Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes, total wuss, no guts
>
>Kenny Chesney---He used to be my favorite. Get a copy of his first album
>"Whatever It Takes" and see how he used to rock. He sold out, he's soft,
>and
>he sings crap like "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy"---Uggh! Ballads!
>
>Mark Wills---Caught Ballad Fever, pretty voice, but I think he's a woman

>Lonestar----Again, great 1st album, and then what happened? The new


>stuff is
>awful. Amazed is a good ballad, but it's still a ballad

Only one question -- What the h*ll is wrong with ballads? You speak as if
they were the plague!!!


jimander

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Scott Cason wrote in message <37E3A0C5...@bellsouth.net>...


>jimander wrote:
>>
>> Hey Don't Ever Put Down Collin Raye He Is One Of The Better Artist There
Is
>>

>> Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?
>

>Why can't people understand that you don't capitalize every word in a
>sentance?
>

Maybe I wanted to get my point across THANK YOU

CLA

>
>Scott

don935

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In article <19990917151243...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
al...@aol.com (ALLTM) chimed in with a...

> list of bands that I feel have led
> to the downward spiral of
> country music that we are currently experiencing.

Let's look at them, shall we?


> Bryan White---ballads, too fem, gay clothes, total
> wuss, no guts

I'm not a Bryan White fan, either, but you're right, the
ladies love him. And guess who buys more CDs these days?

> Reba----she has some great old stuff, the new stuff is
> horrible.

Her latest, "What Do You Say", is, to me, an improvement
over some of her more recent songs. And the subject matter
is something, at one time or another, we will all be able
to relate too. That's a hallmark of a good country song.


> John Michael Mont.---couldn't carry a note in a

> bucket, chicks think he's cute.
See my response to Bryan White.

> Kenny Chesney--- he sings crap like "She Thinks My

>Tractor's Sexy"---Uggh! Ballads!

"She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy" is *not* a ballad. I think
it's a fun song. Goodness knows we can always use some of
those.

> Mark Wills---Caught Ballad Fever, pretty voice, but I
> think he's a woman

..not even worth of a response.

> Joe Diffie----No real reason, just never liked him
> Doug Stone----See Joe Diffie

Again, as others have stated, simply disliking someone
doesn't automatically make them responsible for any
percieved decline in country music.

> Pam Tillis-----ANNOYING, unplug your nose girl!

We're not hearing the same thing, I guess. I think Pam has
a very sweet voice.

> Lonestar---- Amazed is a good ballad, but it's still a
> ballad.
Why the bias against ballads? Sure, too much of them is
not a good thing. But you seem to think that *any* ballad
is bad.

> Ricochet----The band is cool, but the lead singer is a

> dork, and a real a*****e too.
Hmmm. Sounds a little judgemental. Thought you didn't do
that.

> Sawyer Brown---from right around my neck of the woods,
> but why does Mark Miller sing? I mean who told him he
>could?

I would guess the band's fans, and their record label.


> Alabama---Everyone needs to know when to say goodbye.
Okay, if 20 years is too long to be in the business, then
let's also force retirement on Jones, Haggard, Waylon,
Willie and anyone else who might not know how to
say "goodbye".


> Steve Wariner-----His older stuff is awesome, it can't

> be touched. The new stuff is crap.
The "ballad bias" rears its head again.

> Mindy McCready----get into porn where you belong.
What kind of a remark is that. I know...thoughtless, crude,
demeaning.

> Tim McGraw---Would not be on this list, except for

> that new album he put out rots.
Haven't heard "A Place In The Sun" in its entirety yet, so
I can't comment on this one.

> Faith Hill----for wussifying Tim McGraw.
Do you really think she has complete control over what he
records?

> This is only the beginning. I also include all the
> young pretty people who
> have no substance to their music.

Got a problem with looks?

> I'm sure some of you hate me now, and that's OK.

I don't hate you at all. I just disagree with many of your
points.

> I don't judge others.
Then what was it you were doing through this entire post?

"Is it rock or pop or country? Seems everybody cares but
us"---Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

Don

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James Michael Randorff <jran...@aol.compliment> wrote in article
<19990919041517...@ngol08.aol.com>...


> In article <7s048p$1gvv$1...@news.hcol.net>, "jimander"
<jima...@fastol.com>
> writes:
>

> >Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?
>

> People can deal with a love song... it's when we get bombarded by the
same
> stinkin' thing said over and over again

How many ways can you say I love you? That's been the challenge of
songwriters since the process began. In the meantime, there have been a
number of *lost* love songs in the Top 10 this year. Please Remember Me,
Write The Down, and You Were Mine are three that come to mind.

ALLTM

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>Only one question -- What the h*ll is wrong with ballads? You speak as if
>they were the plague!!!

Lee,

I'll be happy to tell you what the H*ll is wrong with ballads: absolutely
nothing. That is unless the market is saturated with them and that is most of
what you hear most of the time. I like ballads as much as anyone, but not when
country radio plays three or four in a row. I also don't like it when 7 of 10
songs on an album are ballads.

A ballad is an easy way out. A nice cookie cutter song about love or heartache
that everyone can relate to. A ballad about heartbreak will always sell to the
14 year old girls that are heartbroken because they aren't dating a backstreet
boy. Ballads make for boring concert songs too, most of the time. (Just check
the line at the bathroom during the ballad portions of a concert)

Fundamentally, there is nothing wrong with ballads. However, when they are put
out with assembly-line style, and put out only to sell records, and so many
sound the same, that is where the problem lies. I know the name of the game is
to sell records, but ballads are a cowards way out, it takes less creativity,

A good album has a diversity of music on it. If an album has ten songs and
more than four are ballads, that's too many.

You want proof, let country radio keep playing so many ballads, and watch even
more stations change format. Proof that country has gone soft? Look at TNN
changing formats. There is nothing innovative about a ballad, it's too often a
sellout move. Innovation is what country lacks, mostly because Nashville
doesn't want it to happen.

The proof to what I say lies in the decline of country's popularity. I hope I
have cleared things up a little. Thanks for the response.

Matt

Balecox

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Sep 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/19/99
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>>> A ballad about heartbreak will always sell to the
14 year old girls that are heartbroken because they aren't dating a backstreet
boy. <<<<

Great line, ALLM!!! And ain't it the truth!

Patsi

James Michael Randorff

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Sep 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/20/99
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In article <37E549BF...@shentel.net>, Luvless <luv...@shentel.net>
writes:

>>> People can deal with a love song... it's when we get bombarded by the
>>> same stinkin' thing said over and over again
>>
>> How many ways can you say I love you?
>

>Uh-oh, James. His secret is out. Country Boy loves you. Let him count
>the ways.

LOL, Luvless... thanks for the laugh, amigo. :)

Coop

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Sep 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/20/99
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Erin wrote:

> Well, I have to challenge him if he
> thinks the two of them have contributed to the "downward spiral of
> country music." If he doesn't like them, then that's fine...but he
> shouldn't say they aren't country just because he doesn't like them.

Hi Erin,
How about a review of Doug Stone's new album? :)

Actually this thread misses the mark. It isn't the artsist that are responsible for
the "downward spiral of country music". It's an industry where increasingly
decisions are made by sharks in corporate suits that really have no interest in
country music as long as they make a quick buck.

Coop


remain.com

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Sep 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/20/99
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On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:34:46 -0400 "jimander" <jima...@fastol.com>

wrote:
>
>
> Hey Don't Ever Put Down Collin Raye He Is One Of The Better Artist There Is
>
> Why Can't People Deal With A Love Song ?
>
> CLA
------------------------------------------------------------

No need to be so touchy. Just because someone doesn't like a certain
style of music doesn't mean that when they voice their opinion they are
putting the artist down. Some people like a lot of sugar in their
food. Others prefer it in their music. In my opinion love songs are
better when they aren't so full of syrup.

SinginCJ

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Sep 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/20/99
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Alrighty,
I love a good love song as much as the next person, but I'm kinda getting
sick of all the sentimental songs being put out. I love songs like Butterfly
Kisses, Holes in the Floor of Heaven and others like them but when they keep
putting them out one right after another, it's time to cheer up a little. Now,
I know Steve Wariner is a good singer, a great guitarist and quite a
songwriter, but I think I'm Already Taken is quite cheesy. I'm not saying that
all sentimental songs are cheese, but Steve, Mark and others need to start
puttin out some other kinds of songs.
CJ

Coop

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Sep 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/20/99
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Rockabi101 wrote:

> >Actually this thread misses the mark. It isn't the artsist that are
> responsible for the "downward spiral of country music". It's an industry where
> increasingly decisions are made by sharks in corporate suits that really have
> no interest in country music as long as they make a quick buck.
> >

> Whoa, think about what you just said. Do you really think the music executives
> in the 40s and 50s weren't interested in doing whatever it took to make a buck.
> Believe me, it ain't no worse today than back then.
> If anything, there may be a few less vultures picking the bones.

I look at it like what Betty Davis said about studeo bosses in the old days
compared to now. She said at least you knew who you were fighting.

Coop


Jay Langford

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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Alltm wrote;

>Joe Diffie----No real reason, just never

>liked him

I agree with some of your comments, but I think Joe has one of the great
country voices. Jay


SinginCJ

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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>I agree, James; that's why I didn't like the LP's. It's the repetition,
>not necessaraily the artist. The perfect LP (or whatever), would be a
>song by Hank Wliiiams; an instrumental by Hank Garland; a song by Hank
>Locklin; a song by Hank Thompson; etc...Jay

Jay,
You got a thing for Hank's do ya?

Jay Langford

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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James R. wrote;

>People can deal with a love song... it's

>when we get bombarded by the same

>stinkin' thing said over and over again

>with a slightly different voice, a slightly

> different melody............

DEADRECK

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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Alright....I've been lurking here for years, but never posted till now. I
know this point has been made a million times, but I'll make it again - just
because certain artists are ' making all the money and have all the fans' does
not mean they are making 'great' music. Obviously this only means that they
are making music for the masses. Some of it may be great, but to say that each
and every 'act' (and I do feel that is the appropriate word as opposed to
artist) that is making money is great is just dead wrong. I say we look back
10-20 years from now and see what music stood the test of time before we start
giving today's music too much credit. Somehow I have a feeling that most
albums that have been released over the last 5-10 years will be long forgotten.

Happy to sign my name and begin taking your intelligent criticism,

JD May

Jay Langford

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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CJ wrote;

>Jay,
  >    You got a thing for Hank's do ya?

Yeah, CJ; Hank for pres.; Hank of hair; Hank Penny; I hate repetition,
don't you?
Good to hear from you, CJ; How ya been?
Jay PS ; I'm against "same-Hank" marriages though. By the way, folks;
how may Hanks can you name?


Tim

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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Joe has a great voice, but never like the songs he picks to sing!

Everybody loves Vince Gill, but 1/2 of Vince's ballads are better
than sleeping pills IMHO. Great voice. Like his uptempo stuff when
they play it!

tim

Scott

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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No criticism--thanks for speaking up!!

John L. Wierzbicki

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Sep 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/22/99
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On 21 Sep 1999 15:48:05 GMT, dead...@aol.com (DEADRECK) wrote:

->Alright....I've been lurking here for years, but never posted till
now.

<SNIP>

->
->Happy to sign my name and begin taking your intelligent criticism,

On this NG!? Intelligent criticism? What posts have *YOU*
been reading? =;^)

->
->JD May


James Michael Randorff

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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In article <18245-37...@newsd-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
jayl...@webtv.net (Jay Langford) writes:

>Jay PS ; I'm against "same-Hank" marriages though. By the way, folks;
>how may Hanks can you name?

Hank Williams, Hank Thompson, Hank Williams Jr, Hank Snow, Hank Williams III,
Hank The Cowdog. ;)

Coll...@webtv.net

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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"I'm already taken." I didn't know who sang it, but UGG! I actually
change the radio station when that comes on.
Col


remain.com

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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-------------------------------------------------
So do I--It is a horrible song. Steve Wariner is the one who recorded
it.

Piper Pilot

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Sep 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/24/99
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> > LOL....gay clothes???? Now this is really stupid.....LOL>
>
> Yeah. Bryan wears clothes that are in style for a man today.

Nope. gay.

Piper Pilot

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Sep 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/24/99
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> First off, let me get this straight...you don't like him (BTW, have you
> met Joe? ever?), so of course, he's the reason (or at least one of the
> reasons) that country music is not country anymore. Question: in your
> mind, what genre does Joe fit into? Rock? Pop?
>
> > Ricochet----The band is cool, but the lead singer is ... [then rambling
on idiotically]
>
> ***WHATEVER!!!*** Have you ever met Heath? He is one of the nicest
> guys in country music, nothing like the person you describe here. Just
> because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a dork. Every time I've

You're right. It's because *I* don;t like him that means he's a dork.

harper lee

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Sep 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/25/99
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> I think the downfall of country music is more related to record executives and
> radio stations than to specific artists

> Country music is so pre-packaged these days, for many artists who currently have
> product out there, its all style and that they fit a certain 'image' record
> executives believe will sell the optimum amount of albums. They put out albums
> and immediately get huge airplay, creating a market for the single, album,
> resulting in big sales figures, so regardless of whether all the material is
> 'good' or not, execs are raking in the bucks and the music business, is a
> business after all.

> I also think the frequency with which bands tour and put out albums affects the
> quality of the product, Even if they do have a spark of originality, they're
> thrown into the whole ' one album per year, then tour to support it" cycle, which
> must make it hard to maintain musical integrity and keep coming up with fresh,
> interesting material. I think its a rare artist who can come up with boffo
> material everytime, or for whom their 'people' can find the best songs out there,
> when you are recording so frequently.

Biggest problem with country music today, artists outside of the mainstream can't
get record deals and radio play (i.e, Marty Stuart, he may not be everyone's cup of
tea, but his music is certainly no less valid than say, Brian White's, but I can't
think of the last time I heard a Marty tune on the radio, or saw one of his videos
on CMT), and of course there's the problem of older artists trying to get
deals/radio also. (Given the posting about Brian dressing 'gay', I probably
shouldn't have mentioned his name in connection with Marty, who is certainly a
resplendent dresser himself)

Anyway, just my opinion, the Lonestars and Brian Whites of Nashville are just the
peons, the mail room clerks of the country music industry, they don't hold any
real power or make any decisions that could affect country music as a whole.

You can flame me if you disagree, but DO NOT give me any grief about any typos,
spelling, or grammatical errors, take a look at the time, 4:53 am! I should be
sleeping but am suffering from insomnia so give me a break.

harper


Buck Johnson

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Sep 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/28/99
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James Michael Randorff wrote:
>
> In article <18245-37...@newsd-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> jayl...@webtv.net (Jay Langford) writes:
>
> >Jay PS ; I'm against "same-Hank" marriages though. By the way, folks;
> >how may Hanks can you name?
>
> Hank Williams, Hank Thompson, Hank Williams Jr, Hank Snow, Hank Williams III,
> Hank The Cowdog. ;)


Good one, James! Yep, we can never forget the ol' "chief of ranch
security"
and his sidekick Drover. ;-)

Buck

Pippa McKenna

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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>I like her voice. I met Pam at a Riverfest. You want annoying: Sherrie
>Austin. She sounds cute at first, but imagine listening to an entire
>Sherrie Austin album?

You want annoying? Try Craig Franck. Sure, he sounds intelligent at first, but
imagine trying to read an entire Craig Franck post?

"Wrack off, you daggy head-banging veggie brain!" - Pippa McKenna, 1988

Pippa
Member - The OFFICIAL Exposers of jordon's Foolishness
Mayor - City of Austin, Sherrie


Scott

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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FreakTrollDebbie/ShaniaFan9/SherrieFn9/BigMack/SKF1, commonly known
here as Poopie wrote:
>
> >I like her voice. I met Pam at a Riverfest. You want annoying: Sherrie
> >Austin. She sounds cute at first, but imagine listening to an entire
> >Sherrie Austin album?
>
> You want annoying? Try Craig Franck. Sure, he sounds intelligent at first, but
> imagine trying to read an entire Craig Franck post?

r.m.c.w. members: I told you guys, always, *always* spell it Sh*rrie
A*stin! Please remember that! (She/It dug this out from 9-17!)

Maggie Smolkovich

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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Oh no! Poopie's back!
Poopie, meet Soccer, Soccer, meet Poopie.....now, please run off
together to
another ng.

Maggie

For Vince fans check out:

http://community.webtv.net/Vincepix/VINCEGILLHEREAND

For Grand Ole Opry fans check out:

http://community.webtv.net/TNMAGGIESMOKE/GrandOleOpryNights


Stacy Pleasant

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99
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Scott wrote:
>r.m.c.w. members: I told you guys, always, *always* spell it Sh*rrie
>A*stin! Please remember that! (She/It dug this out from 9-17!)

Thanks for the warning Scott. But I'll take Super Sh*rrie Fan over Hooly
anyday!

Thanks,
Stacy Brian Pleasant
'The secret of life is there ain't no secret!'

Craig Franck

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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Scott <westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote:
>FreakTrollDebbie/ShaniaFan9/SherrieFn9/BigMack/SKF1, commonly known
>here as Poopie wrote:
>>
>> >I like her voice. I met Pam at a Riverfest. You want annoying: Sherrie
>> >Austin. She sounds cute at first, but imagine listening to an entire
>> >Sherrie Austin album?
>>
>> You want annoying? Try Craig Franck. Sure, he sounds intelligent at first, but
>> imagine trying to read an entire Craig Franck post?
>
>r.m.c.w. members: I told you guys, always, *always* spell it Sh*rrie
>A*stin! Please remember that! (She/It dug this out from 9-17!)

Ah oh; there's one more out there in which I said SA paled in comparison
to the lovely and talented Rachel Sweet. I'll have to be more careful.

--
Craig
clfr...@worldnet.att.net
Manchester, NH
Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein


Pippa McKenna

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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I see none of you ever heard of a hit and run...

Scott: Once a jackass, always a jackass, huh?

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