i never liked a J-200
fwiw, my favorite is a J-185, original series or montana reissue
wish i still played....
s.
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Steve Senderoff & Trish Vierling
"...Ya run your E string down oh, I don't know, about three frets...anyway,
it corresponds to the third note on the A string...here's ya tuning..."
.........Tommy Jarrell
http://steventrish.home.mindspring.com/webpage_files/start.html
"Egrep Yacclex" <egrepy...@mail.com> wrote in message
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That said, as with all things Gibson, nothing is totally cut & dried. Tim's
is, I believe from just after the pickguard got bigger (1955 is the first
year for the big pointy pickguard) but his definitely has that huge warm
sound. Kay Justice has a fabulous ca. 1960 J-50 that also has "the velvet
fog" sound. OTOH there are real dogs with a dead, muddy sound beginning
after the pickguards got bigger in 1955. So look for those "x,y, z" year
models (1953, 52, 51) but don't rule out one from the late 50s or early 60s.
These are the cool guitars all the good ol guys n gals had before they
sprung for D-28s! Think early Camp Creek Boys! Pine Ridge Boys! Ivery
Kimble!
G
in article 20031119015203...@mb-m25.aol.com, Cleoma at
cle...@aol.comnojunk wrote on 11/19/03 1:52 AM:
AG5112 Gibson J-50, 1954, EXF, professionally refinished, SC......$2000
I would think a refinished guitar would be less than one with an original
finish, so this might be a bargain...
-Greg
gibson fanatics love the characteristic checking and crazing of an old
kalamazoo paint job...
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Steve Senderoff & Trish Vierling
"...Ya run your E string down oh, I don't know, about three frets...anyway,
it corresponds to the third note on the A string...here's ya tuning..."
.........Tommy Jarrell
http://steventrish.home.mindspring.com/webpage_files/start.html
"Gloux" <gl...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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-Greg
Greg--
You're not going to find any bargains at Gruhn's. It may be a great
sounding instrument, but all things being equal that's a lot of money
for a refinished J-50.
I pretty much agree with Gail. As Rich Hartness has been known to say,
we're all "guitarded," especially in a Gibson way. Gail's done her
share of Gibson study and knows whereof she speaks/writes!
I'm a huge fan of X-braced Gibson guitars, big and small, from prior
to 1955. Gail mentions serial numbers that begin with X, Y, or Z. But
the earlier instruments, from the '40s, are pretty spectacular, too.
The Gibson slope-shouldered dreadnaughts I'd recommend are ones that
have the teardrop pickguard plus the modern gold block logo (1947 or
'48 until 1955); guitars with the gold script Gibson logo (1946-47);
guitars with the gold script logo and the "Only a Gibson Is Good
Enough" banner (1943-45); and guitars with the white script silkscreen
logo (1932 or so until 1942). The large bodied Gibsons from the '30s
(Jumbo, Advanced Jumbo, J-55, J-35) are very pricey indeed. The ones
from the '40s and '50s (J-45, J-50, Southern Jumbo (or SJ)) are
escalating in value but are still affordable, at least compared to
Martins of a comparable vintage.
FWIW....
--John
-Greg
in article 20031119193049...@mb-m27.aol.com, Cleoma at
cle...@aol.comnojunk wrote on 11/19/03 7:30 PM:
Elderly Instruments (Michigan):
1951 GIBSON J-50, $1,950.00
http://gbase.com/gearlist/guitar_picture.asp?guitar=521103
(Weird pickguard, though)
Atlanta Vintage (Georgia)
1952 Gibson J-50, Natural, Fair, SSC, $1,500.00
http://gbase.com/gearlist/guitar_picture.asp?guitar=496871
(I called - completely resprayed - even *over* the bridge)
Real Guitars (Florida)
1956 Gibson J-50, Natural, Fair, HSC, $1,250.00
http://gbase.com/gearlist/guitar_picture.asp?guitar=492057
(Many repairs, including a reglued heel)
I know it's best to try them out myself, but before I start
asking about all of that, I wonder if anyone here has any
direct experience with (or comments about) any of those "cheap"
old J-50s.
P.S. I hope I'm not too off topic here talking about guitar
gear so much. I just think that there is an appreciation of
these old Gibson guitars amongst old-timers!
G
in article 67c165ee.0311...@posting.google.com, Egrep Yacclex at
egrepy...@mail.com wrote on 11/25/03 12:06 PM:
You bet, there's interest in these old Gibsons among old-timers!
The only one of these shops I know anything about is Elderly, and
they're definitely reputable. On the other hand, their J-50 has had a
heel repair, which would make me leary and would probably make it
tough for you to sell, if it ever comes to that. Also, you might be
looking at spending some more money to take off the extra pickguard
and touch up the top. The one from Real Guitars also has a heel
repair. Their price is quite low, but I'd be scared of that heel
repair. Also, the bridge looks oversized, which makes me wonder about
the quality of the repairs. It's hard to judge the one in Atlanta. A
light overspray wouldn't bother me all that much, but if it's a heavy
overspray and it's dripped, ugh!
I tend to go for players instruments (not museum pieces), but I try to
buy guitars that'll hold their value. Of course, it doesn't always
work that way....
--John
I don't know any of you folks personally, but I sure wish I did.
Steve and Gail hit it on the head, I think: "gibson guitars are
very inconsistent...gems may be found from all periods" and "with
all things Gibson, nothing is totally cut & dried". A repair
person once quipped to me "anything goes with Gibson". I like
that.
All things being un-equal with Gibson, I have found that the type of
strings used make an enormous difference. With a "regular brand"
phosphor bronze set, my L-00 sounds like a cheap 70 year old
guitar - strident tone and no real presence. With Thomastik
AC-112 Plectrums, the sound is full, dry, and woody with plenty
of punch on the low end. All that to say, in my opinion, that a
guitar should be auditioned by the player in person and that one
should be prepared to try several different types of strings
before giving up on a particular Gibson guitar.
Regarding the J-50 guitars, I have played several from the 1960s
and 1950s. I doubt I have the same level of familiarity as others
here, but as a general rule I have found the sound of the heavier
ADJ bridge models to be "compressed", with a springy bass, and real
nice for a certain type of vocal accompaniment. The lighter
weight, 1950s I guess, guitars have more "bark" and a tighter,
punchier bass which is maybe more suitable to string band playing.
But, YMMV, of course. Much is in the hands of the picker.
Coincidentally, I happen to be evaluating one of the guitars that
an ealier poster mentioned! Small world.
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so, to start a new thread, what are the best strings for old gibson guitars?
emily*
"Old Gibson" <spamb...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hey, Emily--
I'm real happy with Elixir light gauge strings on smaller bodied old
Gibsons (L-00, L-1, LG-2 or LG-3). Medium gauge Elixirs on larger body
old Gibsons. But I just had some work done on an L-00, and it came
back with John Pearse light gauge strings, and it sounds great.
--John
I've got Elixir lights on my '18 Gibson L-1. It's the only guitar I have that
I like Elixirs on it. For some reason, these strings really bring out the
character of this old birch bodied arch-top oval-hole guitar.
Tom from Texas
I buy my Thomastik strings from an online retailer, they're not easily
found in local music stores.
I wish I knew the model # of my Jeebson. It was made in the 30s,
small, narrow waist, large sound hole (or optical illusion of that.)
The Elixir, medium low three and light first three, sound so fine it
gives me goose bumps. Best finger-picking guitar I've ever played, and
will be my last guitar.
But don't waste the money on Elixirs on a Stella. They stink. My
Stella needs Black Diamond strings, yes. I found a vintage string
still in its envelope, $2. But its only one string. The beauty of
Black Diamonds was that the beautiful tone only lasted a few hours.
That disappointed me when I was a kid, but now I prize that thump
sound so much. When she's playing fiddle, my wife likes the the
honking Stella better than my prize black beauty little Gibson.
Bill Martin
I also like D'Addario lights (cheaper than Elixirs & I find they don't break
as easily) on small flattop Gibsons. For the J size Gibsons (and, I confess,
a Martin dread) I like "bluegrass" mix gauge strings. They have medium gauge
bass strings & 3 light treble.
Bill, your guitar sounds like a depression era L series (L-00/L-00/L-1,
etc.) As for Stella -- yeah! Ernest Stoneman ("BOOM CHUCK..Boom-CHUCK
CHUCK") got a great big sound out of his Stella Galliano.
G
in article 100afca...@corp.supernews.com, The Martins at
n...@REMOVEbubbaguitar.com wrote on 1/14/04 8:01 AM:
> I wish I knew the model # of my Jeebson. It was made in the 30s,
> small, narrow waist, large sound hole (or optical illusion of that.)
> The Elixir, medium low three and light first three, sound so fine it
> gives me goose bumps. Best finger-picking guitar I've ever played, and
> will be my last guitar.
>
> But don't waste the money on Elixirs on a Stella. They stink. My
> Stella needs Black Diamond strings, yes. I found a vintage string
> still in its envelope, $2. But its only one string. The beauty of
> Black Diamonds was that the beautiful tone only lasted a few hours.
> That disappointed me when I was a kid, but now I prize that thump
> sound so much. When she's playing fiddle, my wife likes the the
> honking Stella better than my prize black beauty little Gibson.
>
> Bill Martin
I haven't seen Black Diamonds for sale for a long time. I assume
they're no longer made? I used them when they were available, not for
esthetic reasons, but because they were really cheap. I especially
found that their fiddle strings would last for decades without
breaking (my criteria for changing strings. From my memories of owning
a Stella 6-string, I doubt spending more money on strings would
improve the sound. I found that, although Stellas were common in the
1960s, I was one of the very few people with the left-hand strength to
play the chords -- a legacy of growing up on a small dairy farm,
milking cows by hand.
Your comment about short-lived beauty reminded me of the response of a
friend of mine, now, alas, no longer among the living. He was a
bachelor, and, years ago, was commenting to me about the attractions
of a young lass in the office where both of us worked. I pointed out
that, although she was now pretty, she had some features that I felt
showed she would look coarse and not very attractive when she got
older. My friend replied, "Will she age much in ten minutes?"
Lyle
>From my memories of owning
>a Stella 6-string, I doubt spending more money on strings would
>improve the sound. I found that, although Stellas were common in the
>1960s, I was one of the very few people with the left-hand strength to
>play the chords -- a legacy of growing up on a small dairy farm,
>milking cows by hand
I had a friend in the 70s who had a Stella 6-string from the 30s. I
was pretty nice.
Are Mapes strings still sold in the stores? I remember them as being
about as fancy as Black Diamonds, with the added benefit of the magic
Sepam cloth. I know that the company that made them is still in
business. If anybody wants to buy their strings in half-pound rolls,
let me know. You'd have to fashion end-loops yourself, but it sure
would be cheap!
Joel
Yes, we always felt that they were made from leftover barbed wire, but were
never able to verify it.
--
David Sanderson
East Waterford, Maine
Joe Brennen
We can still buy Mapes strings here in Johnson City, although I'm not
sure about the rest of the country--I haven't seen them as far away as
Knoxville. They're still being made in Elizabethton, TN, so they may
not be distributed much farther than the Tri-Cities.
I noticed some boxes from Mapes the last time I took a tour of the
Martin factory. As I understand it, the company supplies wire for
several of the big string companies.
Matt
> Joel
I still have my old 6 string Stella that I bought new in 1948.
It is FOR SALE if anyone is interested.
PJ
If it was new in '48, then it was probably made by Harmony.
The "real" Stellas were made by Oscar Schmidt, up 'til around 1939.
Tim
--
Tim Dellinger
tdel...@uiuc.edu
That would explain why some people speak so fondly of them, while
others (like me, who bought one in 1959), think their only proper use
is as kindling wood (after first removing the Black Diamond strings to
use on your replacement guitar, of course).
Lyle
>> If it was new in '48, then it was probably made by Harmony.
>> The "real" Stellas were made by Oscar Schmidt, up 'til around 1939.
>
>That would explain why some people speak so fondly of them, while
>others (like me, who bought one in 1959), think their only proper use
>is as kindling wood (after first removing the Black Diamond strings to
>use on your replacement guitar, of course).
>
>Lyle
Now, Lyle, you always knew that Leadbelly wasn't playing a piece of
garbage. Those early Stellas weren't high-class instruments, but they
were respectable. I once went with a few friends to the store operated
by the Holzapfel family in Baltimore. They had some of the most
beautiful and well-made 12-strings imaginable. One of us had the sense
and the cents to buy one.
Joel
I bought the Stella to play with the Wallace Caravan Group. This was the year that Henry Wallace was
running for president as a candidate for the Progressive Party.
So my Stella has a political history.
I played in the group background behind Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger and Richard Dyer Bennet at a
Wallace for President Rally.
It is still FOR SALE.
PJ
A couple of weeks back I came across a used 1990 J-45, made in
Bozeman Montana. I wasn't shopping for another guitar (right!),
but this one came home with me. New strings (T-I, of course)
and a quick setup and hokey-smokes, what a great guitar! I like
it better than my old J-50.
So maybe the guy (gal?) who started this thread might consider
looking for one of these. I think it's an "early J-45" model,
looking at the website. Great neck profile, wide nut and a full
Gibson sound. Inexpensive to boot.