Arthur Miles
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the 1920-1930 era? Anyone have any of his
music? Thank you
Library Guy
>Can anyone tell us about Arthur Miles from >the 1920-1930 era? Anyone have any of his
>music? Thank you
I think that all there is is this:
ARTHUR_MILES - Vi V-40156 Lonely Cowboy-Part 1/ Part 2
I don't think much info on MIles has surfaced, though I'm not sure.
This from the Friends Of Tuva web site:
The Lonely Cowboy, Parts 1 and 2, by Arthur Miles, a mysterious cowboy
from Austin. It's on When I Was a Cowboy: Early American Songs of
the West, Vol. 1 (Shanachie's label Yazoo #2022; Vol. 2 is #2023).
It's a beautiful set of cowboy musicianship, poetic lyrics, and rare
glimpses into history. Volume 1 has Arthur Miles on his throat-singing
trip (singing two notes at the same time, self-taught, with yodelling
to boot!) --- though not alone in the annals of American music, Miles
seems to me the smoothest. - (Pat Conte)
LG
Joel
Library Guy wrote:
>Volume 1 has Arthur Miles on his throat-singing
> trip (singing two notes at the same time, self-taught, with yodelling
> to boot!) --- though not alone in the annals of American music, Miles
> seems to me the smoothest. - (Pat Conte)
Not alone at all, although I don't know about the yodeling (I've never
heard Miles.). I have long thought that the throat singing -- two notes
simultaneously -- is what's going on with Blind Willie Johnson and
other sanctified singers of the 20s.
Joel
Library Guy
>I've never >heard Miles. I have long thought that the throat singing -- two notes
>simultaneously -- is what's going on with Blind Willie Johnson and
>other sanctified singers of the 20s.
>
>Joel
The Arthur Miles recording is amazing, Joel. I hope you get to hear
it sometime. In fact, try to hear it at this link (if it works):
http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=765
As for the sanctified singers engaging in throat singing, I think I'd
need to have that proven before I'd swallow it. - FD
One Throat, One Note
Malcolm Vidrine
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David Sanderson
to be genuinely throat singing, though where he learned to do it is
certainly a mystery, since we may presume that he didn't visit East Asia.
--
David Sanderson
East Waterford, Maine
Lyle Lofgren
call that real throat singing, at least not the way the Tuvans or even
the Tibetans do it. It sounds more like ordinary humming and whistling
at the same time, and, as such, doesn't seem to me like it would
require a lot of inventiveness, just some idle time like you might have
if you were following a horse around a field all day.
The Tuvan throat singing, although it does include whistling, also has
an added rough aspect, like clearing your throat in a musical manner.
Blind Willie comes close to that part of what the Tuvans do, but
without the other overtones.
Lyle
David Sanderson
> I listened to the piece on Venerable Music, and I'm not sure you could
> call that real throat singing, at least not the way the Tuvans or even
> the Tibetans do it. It sounds more like ordinary humming and whistling
> at the same time, and, as such, doesn't seem to me like it would
> require a lot of inventiveness, just some idle time like you might have
> if you were following a horse around a field all day.
>
> The Tuvan throat singing, although it does include whistling, also has
> an added rough aspect, like clearing your throat in a musical manner.
> Blind Willie comes close to that part of what the Tuvans do, but
> without the other overtones.
>
> Lyle
There was some discussion of Miles a while back, without settling the
question. If we had an example of somebody verifiably humming/whistling
it would help, but the people who can do those old whistling tricks are
few and far between these days. A quick Google search shows that Miles
has a reputation amongst the throat singing fans, if that helps.
Joel
If we had an example of somebody verifiably humming/whistling
> it would help, but the people who can do those old whistling tricks are
> David Sanderson
Is that how the old train whistle effect that Roy Acuff and others
produced is done?
Joel
Joel
Lyle Lofgren wrote:
> It sounds more like ordinary humming and whistling
> at the same time....
I hesitate to contradict one who has just come close to agreeing with
me (rather than launching vicious attacks against me [That a joke,
Frank and Davd]), but it doesn't sound like whistling to me -- more
like playing quills while humming. The boundaries betwen the
'whistling' notes are just too sharp and clear.
As far as Blind Wille goes, I hear his growling as two notes, an octave
or two apart, at the same time. Frank, I can't prove it, of course, but
I'll urge you to listen a few times with a mind open to the
possibility.
Joel
steve s
Satisfied (bwj uses "false baritone") and Bye And Bye I'm Goin' To See The
King (bwj appears to sing straight). this is from the Sony/LegacyCDs.
in CoolEdit using the CE analysis plugs and Voxengo Span, I did both time
and fft-frequency domain analysis to develop a _qualitative_ voice print of
the straight singing from 20 Hz to 1500 hz (roughly 1.5 octaves above A-440;
I can't imagine any meaningful harmonic content higher than this on these
recordings).
knowing the key of bye and bye (D), I was able to clearly see the
fundamental of his voice when he sang D natural at 147 Hz (D below middle C)
as well as characteristic overtones up to ca 600 Hz...the s/n ratio was too
low to see much higher. there was significant interference from the guitar.
similar analysis of praise god (key of G, recording is ca quarter tone flat)
revealed a strongly sung G fundamental _as well as_ greatly enhanced
(amplitude) subtones (not always harmonically related to the fundamental!)
and greatly enhanced overtone complexity _and overtone amplitude_.
granted, this is a Q&D analysis of poor source material, but I think it
shows bwj using a vocal technique that produces multiphonics, in essence,
throat singing.
s.
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pvc
I did speak to Chas Wolfe many years back, and he only had some
untraced Miles'
from Texas directories. Neither of us did the calls...just slipped by.
My only guess
was NE Texas.
Yes he was a genuine throat-style singer; this is not the same
technique as the Jimmie
Rodgers train whistle sound, which uses a different area of the buccal
cavity and a different air stream. The only other contemporary throat
singers in this type of a showcased solo, as far as country music was
concerned, was also anonymous, and recorded with Andy Sanella and an
amazing Kentucky-style fiddler for Grey Gull under
various pseudonyms. Dick Burnett gave some inkling of overtones in his
jew's harp imitations, notably Ladies On The Steamboat. (He would later
tell Gene Earle in the 50s how he "cut the monkey shines" with tricks
like "melody in my throat" and demonstrated
My Old Kentucky Home in a similar "hoomei" style.)
Billy Costello (the first Popeye) also made records as a singer where
he touches on
some clear overtones on jazz vocals. The again dozens of singers did
venture into some partials at some time in their recordings, including
everyone from Rufe Davis to Rosa Ponselle to Yma Sumac.
Back to the country, Miles is super,certainly the best we had, and
better than alot of Tuvans. Some Mongolians even.
pvc
from
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our DJ who posed the question and played the little known music. Thanks to
all for taking the
time to share your knowledge.
Myrna Riquier
Paul Tyler
Mongolian koomiy (umlauts over both 'o's) or like some Tuvan throat
singing. The latter and maybe the former also manufacture some
incredible throaty melodies in bass registers.
I often use recordings of Miles and of some koomiy singers in my
undergraduate anthropology classes to introduce the concepts of
polygenesis versus diffusion (monogenesis). Seems to me Lyle is a
polygenesisist [sorry, couldn't help myself]. If what Miles does is
simple, something that he could have invented with little effort, I
would like Lyle to demonstrate it for me next time I see him. Oh, and
no fair going to someone who already learned the technique.>
Paul "I've been trying for years" Tyler