Tenbrooks and Molly origins

Brad Sondahl

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Apr 2, 2005, 5:42:33 PM4/2/05

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I started wondering when the race recorded in Tenbrooks and Molly ran.
I expect some of you have your opinions. By searching the internet,
Ibiblio lists these recordings, though I'm sure there's lots of others
Other titles - Old Timbrook Blues ; Old Kimball ; Run, Mollie
Run ; Ain't That Skippin' and Flying ; Tim Brooks ; Race Horse Song
Similar - Ain't That Trouble In Mind

1. Laws, G. Malcolm / Native American Balladry, Amer. Folklore
Society, Bk (1964/1950), p242 (Ten Broeck and Mollie)
2. Cousin Emmy (Cynthia May Carver). New Lost City Ramblers with
Cousin Emmy, Folkways FTS 31015, LP (1968), cut# 1 (Old Tim Brooks)
3. Gillette, Steve. Steve Gillette, Vanguard VSD 79251, LP (1967),
cut#B.04
4. Ian and Sylvia. Play One More, Vanguard VRS-9215, LP (1966), cut#A.06
5. Monroe, Bill; and his Bluegrass Boys. Knee Deep in Bluegrass,
Decca DL-8731, LP (196?), cut# 11
6. Monroe, Bill; and his Bluegrass Boys. 16 All-Time Greatest Hits,
Columbia CS 1065, LP (197?), cut# 1
7. Monroe, Bill; and his Bluegrass Boys. Essential Bill Monroe and
his Bluegrass Boys. 1945-49. Vol 2, Columbia CT 52480, Cas (1992/reis),
cut# 14
8. Osborne Brothers. Yesterday and Today, Decca DL-74993, LP (197?),
cut# 2
9. Philo Glee & Mandolin Society. Philo Glee & Mandolin Society,
Campus Folksong Club CFC 101, LP (1962?), cut#B.05
10. Reno, Don;, Bill Harrell and the Tenn. Cutups. Don Reno and Bill
Harrell with the Tennesse Cutups, Rural Rhythm RR 171, LP (196?), cut# 14
11. Rivers, Jerry. 30 Fiddlers Greatest Hits, Gusto GT-104, LP
(1978), cut# 12
12. Scruggs, Earl. Seeger, Pete / How to Play the Five String Banjo,
Seeger, sof (1962), p41
13. Scruggs, Earl. Trischka, Tony / Banjo Songbook, Oak, Sof (1978), p 35
14. Seeger, Mike. Fresh Oldtime String Band Music, Rounder 0262, LP
(1988?), cut# 7 (Ten Broeck and Mollie)
15. Taylor, Earl; and the Stoney Mountain Boys. Folk Songs from the
Blue Grass, United Artists UAL 3048, LP (1959), cut#B.08 (Mollie and Ten
Brooks)

Assuming Ten Broeck was the original name, this link is interesting:
http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com/gallery/lexington.htm

Googling horse and Ten Broeck yields references back to the 1700's--an
old horse family indeed.
Okay, whatdya know about Ten Broeck and Molly?

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lofg...@maroon.tc.umn.edu

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Apr 2, 2005, 7:10:16 PM4/2/05

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Four mile match race, Louisville Jockey Club, July 4, 1878: Ten Broek
vs. Mollie McCarty. Full details at
www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/MollieMcCarty.html.

Lyle

Brad Sondahl

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Apr 3, 2005, 10:04:23 AM4/3/05

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Thanks, Lyle.
Didn't sound like that good of a race, really--nobody won by a nose...
I guess it was the East-West hype that made it a horserace...
Brad

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Apr 3, 2005, 2:38:44 PM4/3/05

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Don't forget the wonderful Henry Thomas version which as I remember is
called Run Mollie Run. Not much text, but fabulous bounce and groove.
Henry Thomas was a black "songster" from (I think) Texas, he had a
"pre-blues" repertoire which included quite a few dance tunes as well
as tin pan alley-type and even some actual blues songs. Very
interesting stuff, especially if you are interested in the black-white
crossover place in old time music.

Suzy T.

sundog

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Apr 3, 2005, 7:22:59 PM4/3/05

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A good version is Blue Mule. A reworking Of Molle &Tenbrooks..Bob

j_ns...@msn.com

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Apr 3, 2005, 6:33:08 PM4/3/05

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"Henry Thomas... [recorded] very interesting stuff, especially if you

are interested in the black-white

crossover place in old time music...."

Definitely -- or even if you're just interested in U.S. guitarists of
whatever "race" who were born before around 1880 or 1885, of which
there aren't nearly as many recordings as one might expect/wish.

Joseph Scott

pvc

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Apr 5, 2005, 7:15:22 PM4/5/05

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Cousin Emmy, mentioned in the above list with NLCR, recorded an
album of 78s in 1947-8 including some old songs remembered as by
her dad and uncle (i think). The Carver Boys, who recorded "Old
Tim Brook" (sic) for Paramount/Broadway are probably them. (Cousin
Emmy = Joy Mae Carver).She played banjo on those Decca sides and
one copy of one unissued test on guitar exists ("Pretty Fair Miss
In The Garden", which she also recreated w/NLCR on that Folkways LP).

pvc