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VA...@webtv.net

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Nov 25, 2002, 2:39:53 PM11/25/02
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12-stringer

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<VA...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks. I heard a rumor from my sis. and I wonder if anyone in here
> would know if it is true. The rumor is, is Faith Hill posing for
> playboy, and is Tim McGraw going to retire from music and be a stay at
> home dad/ I can`t believe either rumor. Thanks a lot for your help.
>

Hmm. Never hearing "Indian Outlaw" or "Don't Take the Girl" again? That's
even more appealing than the prospect of checking out Faith's kini shave.


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Joel Shimberg

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Nov 26, 2002, 11:23:30 AM11/26/02
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>Hi Folks. I heard a rumor from my sis. and I wonder if anyone in here
>would know if it is true. The rumor is, is Faith Hill posing for
>playboy, and is Tim McGraw going to retire from music and be a stay at
>home dad/ I can`t believe either rumor. Thanks a lot for your help.

I believe that it was Oscar Wilde who tried to believe three
impossible thing before breakfast every day. That's pretty poor stuff
you're telling, there. I heard that Tim and Faith have been working
with a faith healer, and that Tim is now pregnant. I also heard that
they have thrown aside the rotten popsicle stuff and are now working
on the Skillet Lickers repertoire and their fiddle and banjo skills.

Joel Shimberg

Cleoma

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Nov 26, 2002, 12:07:09 PM11/26/02
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Forgive my ignorance, but who are Faith and Tim?
Suzy T.
To reply to this posting, remove "nojunk" from my email address.

Paul Mitchell

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Nov 26, 2002, 12:24:31 PM11/26/02
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On 26 Nov 2002, Cleoma wrote:

> Forgive my ignorance, but who are Faith and Tim?

Suzy,
In the hallowed words of Mr. Natural:

Lady, if you don't know by now, Don't mess with it!

(pundits are free to identify earlier, more historically acurate versions
of the above statement)

Paul


peanutjake

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Nov 26, 2002, 2:16:01 PM11/26/02
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"Cleoma" <cle...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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> Forgive my ignorance, but who are Faith and Tim?
> Suzy T.

They don't exist.
They are only a rumor.
PJ


Jack Aldrich

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Nov 26, 2002, 2:31:13 PM11/26/02
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It's OK, Suzy - I wish I didn't know either. Faith Hill and Tim McGraw,
two talented singers who represent everything that's wrong in country
music right now.

Mike Schway

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Nov 26, 2002, 3:38:15 PM11/26/02
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In article <3DE3CC01...@boeing.com>,
Jack Aldrich <john.w....@boeing.com> wrote:

> It's OK, Suzy - I wish I didn't know either. Faith Hill and Tim McGraw,
> two talented singers who represent everything that's wrong in country
> music right now.
>
> Cleoma wrote:
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but who are Faith and Tim?
> > Suzy T.

I was hoping it was Faith Petric and Tim O'Brian.

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Jack Aldrich

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Nov 26, 2002, 4:28:42 PM11/26/02
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Lotsa Luck, Mike! I wish it were true.

Cleoma

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Nov 26, 2002, 7:00:33 PM11/26/02
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I was kidding! Actually I am not really THAT out of it. I do read the
newspapers. Although I confess that I would not be able to identify Faith and
Tim if someone played me a recording of their music.
Suzy

Adam Price

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Nov 26, 2002, 8:25:00 PM11/26/02
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In article <20021126190033...@mb-ba.aol.com>, Cleoma wrote:

> I would not be able to identify Faith and Tim if someone played me a
> recording of their music.

Quit bragging.

James Burns

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Nov 26, 2002, 8:47:37 PM11/26/02
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Faith has inspired my fiddle playing over the years.. especially on the
tunes from her home state of Mississippi ...and particularly **Tupelo
Blues**.. but her in Playboy.. I don't get it? And I don't know anyone
who does. I guess I'm out of luck.

The Martins

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Nov 27, 2002, 11:26:18 AM11/27/02
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"Cleoma" <cle...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message

> Although I confess that I would not be able to identify Faith and


> Tim if someone played me a recording of their music.

O Yes You Would! Just tune into the nearest country station on your radio
dial and you will hear the sound. Doesn't matter who is actually playing and
singing.

Bill Martin


Todd A. Gracyk

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Nov 28, 2002, 2:23:42 AM11/28/02
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"Cleoma" <cle...@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

>Forgive my ignorance, but who are Faith and Tim?

I know only too well, because when shopping for used CDs I find good
bluegrass and old-time country music mixed in with mainstream country music;
I know all the album covers of best selling CDs by heart (it's amazing how
many k.d. lang CDs are in the clearance bins where I shop).

What surprises me is that the packaging for the new Faith Hill album appears
as if it were made on a bad photocopier, which I guess is the look the
artist and label were going for, but it causes me to wonder if it isn't the
easiest album in the world for bootleggers to duplicate (I don't think
bootleggers bother with old-time country music CDs, so the Document label
needn't worry).

Todd A. Gracyk
Petaluma, CA
ta...@attbi.com


Lyle Lofgren

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Nov 28, 2002, 10:40:12 AM11/28/02
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:23:30 GMT, Fiddl...@cs.com (Joel Shimberg)
wrote:

The White Queen in "Alice in Wonderland" was twice as good as Oscar
Wilde: (from Chapter V, "Wool and Water"):


Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe
impossible things."

"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was
your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've
believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. ..."

Maybe you were thinking of Yogi Berra? or Mark Twain? or Woody Allen?
or Will Rogers?

(I've been trying to track down who originally said some quotes I
like, and find the internet is almost completely inaccurate. For
instance, I still don't know who said something to the effect that the
woods would be a silent place if only the most musical birds sang.
Popular vote on the internet attributes it to Thoreau, but that's not
right. And if someone said it, where did he/she say it? I want to look
up the quote to see if the next sentence was even more memorable. In
the case of "Alice," it's not: "There goes the shawl again.")

Lyle

Lyle Lofgren

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Nov 28, 2002, 10:46:40 AM11/28/02
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:40:12 GMT, lofg...@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Lyle
Lofgren) wrote:

>
>The White Queen in "Alice in Wonderland" was twice as good as Oscar
>Wilde: (from Chapter V, "Wool and Water"):
>

Lyle's proving the point--you can't trust the internet for facts.
That quote is not from "Alice..." but from "Through The Looking
Glass." Take My Word For It.
Liz Lofgren, Lyle's editor.

Duc de Savoie

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Nov 28, 2002, 11:24:28 AM11/28/02
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>The White Queen in "Alice in Wonderland" was twice as good as Oscar
>>Wilde: (from Chapter V, "Wool and Water"):
>>
>
>Lyle's proving the point--you can't trust the internet for facts.
>That quote is not from "Alice..." but from "Through The Looking
>Glass." Take My Word For It.
>Liz Lofgren, Lyle's editor.
>

You're both wrong. There's no such book as "Alice in Wonderland." There are
"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking-Glass and What
Alice Found There."

Bud

Lyle Lofgren

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Nov 28, 2002, 9:46:16 PM11/28/02
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On 28 Nov 2002 16:24:28 GMT, ducde...@aol.com (Duc de Savoie)
wrote:


>
>You're both wrong. There's no such book as "Alice in Wonderland." There are
>"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking-Glass and What
>Alice Found There."

Next time I run across a misattributed quote, I'll leave it alone.
Someone will now respond that the correct title should be "Alice's
Adventures Underground."

Has anyone tried singing any of the Lewis Carroll poems?

Lyle

Duc de Savoie

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Nov 29, 2002, 7:30:09 AM11/29/02
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>Next time I run across a misattributed quote, I'll leave it alone.
>Someone will now respond that the correct title should be "Alice's
>Adventures Underground."
>

Well, no. "Alice's Adventures Under Ground[sic]" was the original hand-written
manuscript with illustrations by the author. The later versions (including
"The Nursery Alice") featured the Tenniel illustrations, which have become so
standard that attempts to publish the books with any other illustrations have
flopped.

I'm wondering what all of this nitpicking has to do with Faith and Tim.

Bud

Lyle Lofgren

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Nov 29, 2002, 7:30:33 AM11/29/02
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On 29 Nov 2002 12:30:09 GMT, ducde...@aol.com (Duc de Savoie)
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>I'm wondering what all of this nitpicking has to do with Faith and Tim.

Nothing, of course, but I find it more interesting than the original
thread. Let's see now -- which one was running around nekkid and which
one was gonna hang it all up for domesticity?

Lyle

Joel Shimberg

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Nov 29, 2002, 11:46:55 AM11/29/02
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>Next time I run across a misattributed quote, I'll leave it alone.
>
>Has anyone tried singing any of the Lewis Carroll poems?
>
>Lyle

Ah, but that was a misattributed misquotation, after all. Next time
I'll check with a Google search before i shoot myself in the foot with
my mouth, which is easy when the foot is already in the mouth!

I'm sure (We now know what that's worth.) that I heard a recording of
somebody singing Jabberwocky when I was a teen. I think that there was
an LP of Lewis Carroll songs at that time.

Joel

Duc de Savoie

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Nov 29, 2002, 1:47:59 PM11/29/02
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>Let's see now -- which one was running around nekkid and which
>one was gonna hang it all up for domesticity?

The first would have been Alice, if the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (a/k/a
Lewis Carroll) had his way. He was a dabbler in photography and liked to
photograph nekkid little girls--make of that what you will.

Bud

Joel Shimberg

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:56:42 PM11/29/02
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>The first would have been Alice, if the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (a/k/a
>Lewis Carroll) had his way. He was a dabbler in photography and liked to
>photograph nekkid little girls--make of that what you will.
>
>Bud

C'mon Bud. They weren't nekkid. They were pretty, and he probably was
a pedophile, but you've done him an injustice. He was much more than a
dabbler. He was only a Rev. because he had to be to teach at Oxford at
that time. I've seen photos he took of Alice -- cute stuff. She was
the daughter of Henry George Liddell, Dean of Christ Church College,
Oxford, and thus Dodgson's superior (Dodgson taught mathematics in
Christ Church. Take a look here:

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ca/CarrollL.html

Joel

Duc de Savoie

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:31:48 PM11/29/02
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>C'mon Bud. They weren't nekkid. They were pretty, and he probably was
>a pedophile,

Well, I don't wish to slander the man. But I read many years ago that he did
indeed feel that the naked bodies of young girls, unlike the bodies of young
boys, were very beautiful, and he did photograph some of them. I've never
actually seen these, I admit; and his very proper photos of Alice and other
little girls are good, even by today's standards.

At any rate, the Alice books are masterpieces. If you have ever dipped into
"The Annotated Alice," you can see what some people have found in these
seemingly innocent tales of a young girl's dreams.

Bud

Tribe

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Nov 29, 2002, 11:20:09 PM11/29/02
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Joel Shimberg wrote:


> C'mon Bud. They weren't nekkid. They were pretty, and he probably was
> a pedophile, but you've done him an injustice. He was much more than a
> dabbler. He was only a Rev. because he had to be to teach at Oxford at
> that time. I've seen photos he took of Alice -- cute stuff.

If I recall correctly there was something in the New York Times a few
months back about Victorian gents liking the very young girls.
Something about it being relatively accepted so long as nobody talked
about it. go figure.

Tribe

Robert Palasek

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Nov 30, 2002, 2:17:33 AM11/30/02
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In the past year, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art
exhibited the collection of Dodgson's photographs.

Hundreds of photographs of children, mostly girls.
What was striking is that there did not seem to be
one happy child in the whole collection. I do not
know whether that is attributable to the necessity
of having to be still for a clear exposure at that
time. 1850's?

David Sanderson

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Nov 30, 2002, 10:41:47 PM11/30/02
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No real evidence he was a pedophile, I think. He was a fairly serious
photographer, and included nude children in his photos; there may have
been an exhibition of his stuff recently somewhere or other that I heard
of. There's the whole issue of Victorian images of childhood operating
there. As far as I know, neither he nor Alice played the fiddle (token
content...).

--
David Sanderson
East Waterford, Maine

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Duc de Savoie

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Dec 1, 2002, 7:34:45 AM12/1/02
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> As far as I know, neither he nor Alice played the fiddle (token
>content...).

You are probably right. However, Alice's name was Alice Pleasance Liddell.
http://mural.uv.es/anma/bioalice.htm
Picture of Alice here. Note that she looks nothing like the Alice in the
Tenniel illustrations, who actually was a girl named Mary Hilton Badcock. But
I digress.

Her father was Dean of Christ Church, Oxford, and the students used to recite a
bit of doggerel: "I am Dean and this is Mrs. Liddell; She plays the first and
I the second fiddle."

And there's the fiddle content.

Bud

Brittles

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Dec 1, 2002, 10:13:53 AM12/1/02
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<< ducde...@aol.com (Duc de Savoie) >>
Elucidated:

<< However, Alice's name was Alice Pleasance Liddell. >>

<< the Tenniel illustrations, who actually was a girl named Mary Hilton
Badcock. >>

<< Her father was Dean of Christ Church, Oxford, and the students used to


recite a bit of doggerel: "I am Dean and this is Mrs. Liddell; She plays the
first and I the second fiddle." >>

Hmmm... Methinks the Bud is actually the "Duc de Wonderland"
(Or the Jack of Hearts... painting the town red.)

A closet Carrollphile, perhaps? Or a professional Carroller? ;-)
(Enjoyed the info...)

Best-
Ed Britt


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Duc de Savoie

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Dec 1, 2002, 1:12:53 PM12/1/02
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>Hmmm... Methinks the Bud is actually the "Duc de Wonderland"
>(Or the Jack of Hearts... painting the town red.)
>
>A closet Carrollphile, perhaps? Or a professional Carroller? ;-)
>(Enjoyed the info...)
>

True, Ed. I think the Alice books were the first "big person" books I read as
a child, and Alice became my first storybook heroine. I used to have copies of
all of the different versions, but most of them seem to have been misplaced
during a move a few years ago. :-(

Bud

Joseph Scott

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Dec 1, 2002, 8:35:11 PM12/1/02
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> No real evidence he was a pedophile, I think.

Sadly when I was on a Carroll research kick about 15-20 years ago I
encountered what I considered to be plenty of real evidence that he
was. But surely this list is for discussing musicians who performed
o.t.m., like, uh, Peter Yarrow, or...

Joseph Scott

David Sanderson

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Dec 1, 2002, 10:28:05 PM12/1/02
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Yes, beware the Jabberwock and the allure of wandering message
threads....

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