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Eamonn Moriarty

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Nov 6, 1991, 8:54:30 AM11/6/91
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I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
(on CD)

I have some really pretty dire ones and I need to get the bad taste
out of my mouth...

Thanks,

Eamonn.

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ger...@ecs.umass.edu

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Nov 6, 1991, 1:38:32 PM11/6/91
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In article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie>, emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty) writes:
> I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
> (on CD)


Look for Berman and the Concertgeb. conducted by N.Jarvi and released
by CHANDOS (number around 879?). It also includes the 2nd concerto.

I don't have it but I have CHAN 8791 with the same people featuring
the 1st, 4th and 5th concerto and this is very good IMHO. The 2nd and the 3rd
have been recorded at the same time, so it should be good.

Any other suggestion from other people ?

+++++++++++++++++++++
Vincent Gerbaud "A votre service"
UMASS , ChE
+++++++++++++++++++++

Raymond Sunessen Tuttle

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Nov 6, 1991, 10:51:25 PM11/6/91
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In article <15654.2...@ecs.umass.edu> ger...@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>In article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie>, emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty) writes:
>> I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
>> (on CD)
>
>
> Look for Berman and the Concertgeb. conducted by N.Jarvi and released
>by CHANDOS (number around 879?). It also includes the 2nd concerto.
>
> I don't have it but I have CHAN 8791 with the same people featuring
>the 1st, 4th and 5th concerto and this is very good IMHO. The 2nd and the 3rd
>have been recorded at the same time, so it should be good.
>
> Any other suggestion from other people ?

I cast my vote for:
1) Argerich/Abbado/Berlin PO on DG 415 062 (comes with the Tchaikovsky 1)
2) Cliburn/Hendl/Chicago SO on RCA 6209-2-RC
3) Prokofiev/Coppola/London SO on Pearl GEMM CD-9470 (from 1932)

I got flamed the last time that I said a good word for Cliburn. Let's see
if someone will do it again :-)


--
Ray and his two "Dunkel ist das Leben, ist der Tod,"
little white mice, but it's nothing to get depressed about.
named Ursula and
Gudrun. *******************************************************

Robert W. Holzel

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Nov 7, 1991, 8:07:18 AM11/7/91
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Vincent Gerbaud writes:

> Look for Berman and the Concertgeb. conducted by N.Jarvi

While I agree that Vincent's choice is exemplary in intention, he did
goof just a tad -- Berman is the pianist only on the recording of
1, 4, and 5. Numbers 2 and 3 are played by Guterriez, whose name
I couldn't spell on a bet but who plays the pants off both works.

> Any other suggestion from other people ?

Nah, not really, since your first pick is mine as well. But
Argerich and Ashkenazy both do a fairly good job on the work too.

Burch Seymour

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Nov 7, 1991, 3:09:07 PM11/7/91
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>
>> Any other suggestion from other people ?


I see in the new BMG catalog the Evgeny Kissin has a recording of
Prokofiev #3. Anyone have any comments?

I recently read a short article about Kissin in Connoisseur magazine.
It said he recently "in a month" memorized the last 3 Beethoven concerti,
plus major works by Brahms and Schumann. Don't ya just hate him! :-)

-bs-

Noam Elkies

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Nov 7, 1991, 11:10:41 PM11/7/91
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Burch Seymour (bseymour@pinocchio), in article <17...@encore.Encore.COM>:

>
>I recently read a short article about Kissin in Connoisseur magazine.
>It said he recently "in a month" memorized the last 3 Beethoven concerti,
>plus major works by Brahms and Schumann. Don't ya just hate him! :-)

For quick memorizing alone, no reason to --- he is, after all, immersed in
classical music and has likely heard all these works innumerable times,
making them much easier to commit to memory than a new piece he's never
heard before.

But memorizing three Beethoven concerti "plus major works by Brahms and
Schumann" is one thing, mastering them technically and musically quite another.
In one month, you said? @)^!%^&#... :-) :-)

--Noam D. Elkies (el...@zariski.harvard.edu)
Department of Mathematics, Harvard Univ.

Peter Su

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Nov 8, 1991, 8:32:38 AM11/8/91
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A great record of this is the one with Graffman on CBS. It's probably
cheap too, since it's in the "Great performances" series.

Just my $.02.

Pete
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hu...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu

Greg Paley

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Nov 8, 1991, 10:24:53 AM11/8/91
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In article <1991Nov7....@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> r...@gawain.cif.rochester.edu (Raymond Sunessen Tuttle) writes:
>
>I got flamed the last time that I said a good word for Cliburn. Let's see
>if someone will do it again :-)
>

I've been struck numerous times by the disparity between the condescending
(and sometimes outright contemptuous) attitude knowledgeable listeners and
musicians display toward Cliburn, and the powerful artist I hear on most of
his recordings.

Perhaps his live performances suffered from erratic behavior and quality.
The studio recordings he made of Beethoven and Mozart sonatas in the mid
60's, as well those of works by Chopin and Debussy are, to my ear, models
of cohesiveness and expressiveness. I feel the same of the Prokofiev
concerto recording that prompted the above comment, and of his Beethoven
piano concerto recordings with Reiner and the Chicago Symphony. If there
is issue to be taken, I find it with Reiner's tempo distortions rather
than with Cliburn.

Greg Paley

Eamonn Moriarty

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Nov 8, 1991, 12:06:13 PM11/8/91
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>Just my $.02.

>Pete
>--
>hu...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu


I have heard the Graffman recording and find it terribly slow and
deliberate, especially in the second movement. His recording of no. 1
I do like though.

Has anyone heard a recording by Vladimir Krainev of no 3 ? I have it on
record but have never seen it on CD. (I think its worth
mentioning and indeed listening to)

resm...@spacm1.spac.spc.com

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Nov 8, 1991, 12:24:08 PM11/8/91
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In article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie>, emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty) writes:
> I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
> (on CD)
>
Since nobody has mentioned it, and I believe it has been recently reissued
along with some other of the Mercury "Living Presence" recordings, let me
recommend the one by Byron Janis and, I think, the Moscow Phil with Kiril
Kondrashin. Janis' Tchaikovsky #1, also on Mercury, is quite good as well.
--
Bill Robertson "Lots of people can sing louder and longer than Elvis, too,
but who cares?"
Eval Knievel

Norm Strong

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Nov 15, 1991, 10:45:44 AM11/15/91
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In article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie> emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty) writes:
}I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
} (on CD)
}
}I have some really pretty dire ones and I need to get the bad taste
} out of my mouth...

You already have at least 3 versions, and you're not happy with any of
them? If you don't like the Argerich version, I really can't help you.


--

Norm Strong (str...@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S. Seattle WA 98144 USA

Eamonn Moriarty

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Nov 18, 1991, 8:43:20 AM11/18/91
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>In article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie> emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty) writes:
>}I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
>} (on CD)
>}
>}I have some really pretty dire ones and I need to get the bad taste
>} out of my mouth...

>You already have at least 3 versions, and you're not happy with any of
>them? If you don't like the Argerich version, I really can't help you.

I only have two recordings : the Graffman (CBS) and a record of Krainev
and the Moscow P.O. I havent actually heard the Argerich yet,
but I'm working on it...

Thanks to all ye who gave good suggestions!

Eamonn.

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lecturer quote #2: ' This is not the First time you're going to meet this ...'

Jacques de Poulpiquet - CICB Universite de Rennes I

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Nov 20, 1991, 3:49:32 AM11/20/91
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From article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie>, by emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty):

> In <1991Nov15....@tc.fluke.COM> str...@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong) writes:
>
>>In article <emorirty....@unix1.tcd.ie> emor...@unix1.tcd.ie (Eamonn Moriarty) writes:
>>}I am looking for a good recording of Prokofievs 3rd piao concerto
>>} (on CD)
>>}
>>}I have some really pretty dire ones and I need to get the bad taste
>>} out of my mouth...
>
>>You already have at least 3 versions, and you're not happy with any of
>>them? If you don't like the Argerich version, I really can't help you.
>
> I only have two recordings : the Graffman (CBS) and a record of Krainev
> and the Moscow P.O. I havent actually heard the Argerich yet,
> but I'm working on it...
>
> Thanks to all ye who gave good suggestions!
>
> Eamonn.
>
> --

I recommend you the interpretation of concerto no 3 and more generally of
the PROKOVIEV's five concertos by the french pianist Michel BEROFF with
the Gewandhaus Leipsig Orchestra directed by Kurt MASUR recorded circa 1975's :
very sensitive interpretation by the pianist, very energetic direction
by Kurt MASUR and a very good recording sound (EMI double CD ADD - Mid Price).
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