Bach descendant
keith edgerley
violin and oboe concerto in D minor, and a complete cantata) in the
South of France, and after the interval the harpsichordist announced
that there was a descendant of J.S. Bach in the audience, a Mrs Müller.
Leaving aside the fact that this news, unfortunately, had the effect of
destabilizing the singers in the second half, I have been trying to find
out on the internet who this descendant is, and how many generations
away from J.S. (at least ten or 11 I should guess). Unsuccessfully.
Does anyone know anything about present-day descendants of Bach?
--
Keith
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Such as found out musical tunes
Hanns Krehbiel
keith edgerley <edger...@bluewin.ch> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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> I was recently at a concert of Bach's music (excerpts from cantatas, the
> violin and oboe concerto in D minor, and a complete cantata) in the
> South of France, and after the interval the harpsichordist announced
> that there was a descendant of J.S. Bach in the audience, a Mrs Müller.
>
> Leaving aside the fact that this news, unfortunately, had the effect of
> destabilizing the singers in the second half, I have been trying to find
> out on the internet who this descendant is, and how many generations
> away from J.S. (at least ten or 11 I should guess). Unsuccessfully.
>
> Does anyone know anything about present-day descendants of Bach?
It is standard scientific knowledge that there aren't any, that the most
distant
descendants of Bach were grandchildren (among them a J.S. Bach the
Younger, son of CPE, painter, died very young).
Historians may have overlooked some, or some claims are flights of
fancy. Anyhow: the Bach genes must be very diluted in them.
A counter-example: From the painter Lucas Cranach countless
descendants, called Cranachides, were traced, a thousend or so living
now. A few more generations and every second German will be a
Cranachide.
hanns krehbiel
keith edgerley
keith edgerley <edger...@bluewin.ch> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
3D33B14...@bluewin.ch...I was recently at a concert of Bach's music (excerpts from cantatas, the
violin and oboe concerto in D minor, and a complete cantata) in the
South of France, and after the interval the harpsichordist announced
that there was a descendant of J.S. Bach in the audience, a Mrs Müller.
Leaving aside the fact that this news, unfortunately, had the effect of
destabilizing the singers in the second half, I have been trying to find
out on the internet who this descendant is, and how many generations
away from J.S. (at least ten or 11 I should guess). Unsuccessfully.
Does anyone know anything about present-day descendants of Bach?
It is standard scientific knowledge that there aren't any, that the most
distant
descendants of Bach were grandchildren (among them a J.S. Bach the
Younger, son of CPE, painter, died very young).
Perhaps there are descendants of a brother or sister of J.S.
Phil Wood
"keith edgerley" <edger...@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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Hanns Krehbiel wrote:
keith edgerley <edger...@bluewin.ch> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:3D33B14...@bluewin.ch...I was recently at a concert of
Bach's music (excerpts from cantatas, theviolin and oboe concerto in D
minor, and a complete cantata) in theSouth of France, and after the
interval the harpsichordist announcedthat there was a descendant of J.S.
Bach in the audience, a Mrs Müller.Leaving aside the fact that this news,
unfortunately, had the effect ofdestabilizing the singers in the second
half, I have been trying to findout on the internet who this descendant is,
and how many generationsaway from J.S. (at least ten or 11 I should guess).
Unsuccessfully.Does anyone know anything about present-day descendants of
Bach?It is standard scientific knowledge that there aren't any, that the
mostdistantdescendants of Bach were grandchildren (among them a J.S. Bach
theYounger, son of CPE, painter, died very young).So none of the children of
Bach's nine surviving children had any children. It must be true if it is
standard scholarship, of course, but it does seem unlikely. How many
grandchildren were there? I'm not talking about bearing the name of Bach, of
course; females are also descendants.
Perhaps there are descendants of a brother or sister of J.S.
--
Keith
Let us now praise famous men [...]
Such as found out musical tunes
If it bothers you so much you could try soc.genealogy.german for advice on
how to trace his descendents - I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear about
your researches.
By the way, descendents of a brother or sister of JS. are not descendents of
JS.
And can you please not use HTML - and why is my newsreader sending me HTML
and not turning it into plaintext? It will be active content next!
Mumble, mumble, groan!
Phil
Rain Forests
yes, there must be some descendants, even not having Bach for name, come as
you say, Bach had enough children to have many descendants...
Anyway I can tell you for sure that it exists family with many children,
where only one of them get children, and this for several generations...
keith edgerley
What do you mean bothers? Just normal curiosity. Was I really in the
same room with about 120 people, one of whom claimed to be a descendant
of Bach.
BTW, you mixed Hans Krehbiel's reply to me up with mine.
> you could try soc.genealogy.german for advice on
>how to trace his descendents - I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear about
>your researches.
>
Petty irony doesn't become you.
>
>
>By the way, descendents of a brother or sister of JS. are not descendents of
>JS.
>
No-one said they were. It was just possible that the information,
presumably given in German or in French by a German-speaker and then
translated and passed on and then announced, had become slightly corrupted.
Kevin C. McDonald
<edger...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>I was recently at a concert of Bach's music (excerpts from cantatas, the
>violin and oboe concerto in D minor, and a complete cantata) in the
>South of France, and after the interval the harpsichordist announced
>that there was a descendant of J.S. Bach in the audience, a Mrs Müller.
>
>Leaving aside the fact that this news, unfortunately, had the effect of
>destabilizing the singers in the second half, I have been trying to find
>out on the internet who this descendant is, and how many generations
>away from J.S. (at least ten or 11 I should guess). Unsuccessfully.
>
>Does anyone know anything about present-day descendants of Bach?
Well, of course, there's P.D.Q....
KCM
Peter T. Daniels
Long dead. No offspring, I hope?
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Hanns Krehbiel
The topic of Bach descendants has been discussed years ago.
Maybe someone does a Google search. Btw: I am pretty sure
that M.M. has taken a holiday and comes nowhere near a
computer with Internet connection.
hanns krehbiel
keith edgerley
I know the last male descendant of J.S. Bach to bear the Bach name died
in, IIRC, 1849, but did ALL of J.S.'s female descendants ultimately
prove barren?
I have found a reference to Bach's descendants attending a recent
ceremony in Eisenach.
Steve Hehr
<gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Kevin C. McDonald wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:38:11 +0200, keith edgerley
>> <edger...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> >
>> >Does anyone know anything about present-day descendants of Bach?
>>
>> Well, of course, there's P.D.Q....
>
>Long dead. No offspring, I hope?
>--
>Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
According to "The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach", the only
living descendant of P.D.Q. is Brunhilde Bach, a.k.a. "Bébé" Bach.
--
Steve Hehr
To send me email, replace the "out" in my address with its opposite.
Ioannis
[snip]
> According to "The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach", the only
What about this famous American author, Richard Bach, who wrote
"Jonathan Seagul", "One", "A Bridge Across Eternity", and some other
such?
If I recall correctly, he mentions in one of his books that he is a
descendant. However, this could clearly be a marketing ploy to attract
prospective readers.
> --
> Steve Hehr
--
Ioannis
http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/jgal/
___________________________________________
Eventually, _everything_ is understandable.
Steve Hehr
wrote:
>Steve Hehr wrote:
>[snip]
>> According to "The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach", the only
>> living descendant of P.D.Q. is Brunhilde Bach, a.k.a. "Bébé" Bach.
>
>What about this famous American author, Richard Bach, who wrote
>"Jonathan Seagul", "One", "A Bridge Across Eternity", and some other
>such?
>
>If I recall correctly, he mentions in one of his books that he is a
>descendant. However, this could clearly be a marketing ploy to attract
>prospective readers.
He claims he's a descendant of P.D.Q.?????? What market is he aiming
for?
Margaret Mikulska
an unusual hardship for me to be nowhere near a computer with internet
access, but at such times I tend to use it only for really important
e-mail and important searches.
According to Christoph Wolff, there is no descendant of Bach with the
same name; I *think* he said there was none at all, but I may
misremember what he said. In any case, while one could think that with
so many children, the number of descendants in each generation would
grow, in reality it shrunk. (This should be food for thought for
anybody considering a pyramid scheme.) Personally, I would not be
surprised if a female descendant had been found one day after an
extensive search, since it's very difficult to track down women,
especially if they marry young and have no careers on their own.
Somebody might have been overlooked, especially that the issue whether a
famous person from the past has living descendants is not particularly
important for the scholars and yet solving it requires a lot of archival
work (which could be put to better use).
-Margaret
Margaret Mikulska
Bach died in the 19th century is nothing new. It wasn't clear to me if
he knew for sure there were no female descendants.
-MM
Thomas Wood
Margaret Mikulska <miku...@europe.com> wrote in message
news:3D719742...@europe.com...
> Sorry, I meant "no male descendant, whatever his name" - that the last
> Bach died in the 19th century is nothing new. It wasn't clear to me if
> he knew for sure there were no female descendants.
>
I THINK I recently read that there are Bach descendents through his daughter
Elizabeth Juliana Frederica and her husband Johann Chrisoph Altnikol -- and
that they live in the United States.
Tom Wood