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Dennis Chang

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Apr 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/18/96
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Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
Also, what are your favorite recordings?


JDT

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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kc...@cornell.edu (Dennis Chang) wrote:

>Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
>Also, what are your favorite recordings?

Big surprise! I am a violinist/violist and I like the viola version.
All my clarinetist friends like the clarinet version. I'm not
qualified to judge clarinet recordings, but on viola
Zuckerman/Barenboim, Nabuko Imai and if you can find it
the classic mono from the late 50s of Primrose/Firkusny - the one I
grew up with.

Jon Teske


kojisato

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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> Big surprise! I am a violinist/violist and I like the viola version.
> All my clarinetist friends like the clarinet version. I'm not
> qualified to judge clarinet recordings, but on viola
> Zuckerman/Barenboim, Nabuko Imai and if you can find it
> the classic mono from the late 50s of Primrose/Firkusny - the one I
> grew up with.
>
> Jon Teske

Try the Primrose/Kapell from '46.

K. Attwood

Tony Movshon

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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>kc...@cornell.edu (Dennis Chang) wrote:
>
>>Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
>>Also, what are your favorite recordings?

I recently picked up a very cheap Stradivari disk with the viola
versions by Nobuko Imai and Harris Goldsmith, which is very well done.
I think I like the clarinet version even better, but I don't have a
recording to recommend.

Does anyone know if the Harris Goldsmith accompanying Imai is the
sometime music/recording reviewer of the same name? He plays nicely.

Tony Movshon
Center for Neural Science
New York University

Johannes Roehl

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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koji...@umich.edu (kojisato) wrote:
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>
>> Big surprise! I am a violinist/violist and I like the viola version.
>> All my clarinetist friends like the clarinet version. I'm not
>> qualified to judge clarinet recordings, but on viola
>> Zuckerman/Barenboim, Nabuko Imai and if you can find it
>> the classic mono from the late 50s of Primrose/Firkusny - the one I
>> grew up with.
>>
>> Jon Teske
>
I have a violist friend who played the second and admitted that it sounds
better on the clarinet. I would definitely go for the original version. Can`t
recommend a recording unfortunately. I have Stoltzmann/Goode and I just don`t
like Stoltzmanns tone.

Johannes

> Try the Primrose/Kapell from '46.
>
> K. Attwood

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JDT

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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to...@cns.nyu.edu (Tony Movshon) wrote:

Yes it is. He also made a recording (not on CD to the best of my
knowledge) in ca.1971 with Imai of the viola/clarinet
music of Robert Schuman. Harold Wright is the clarinet.
Record was a budget Victrola VICS-1621 and has
Fairy Tales Op 132 (I won't even attempt the German name)
for Piano, Viola and Clarinet.
Pictures from Fairyland Op.113 for Viola/Piano
Fantasiestucke Op 73 Clar/Piano
and some solo Piano pieces.

Jon Teske

Marco Jansen

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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> Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
> Also, what are your favorite recordings?

I prefer the viola, because that is my intrument.

I have no favorit recording, but i like playing them with my friends.


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I. Neill Reid

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Apr 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/20/96
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In article <4l6b1i$e...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, kc...@cornell.edu (Dennis Chang) writes...

>Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
>Also, what are your favorite recordings?
>

Clarinet - no question. And Reginald Kell with Joel Rosen provide my
preferred recordings. Jonathan Cohler's recent recordings are also very
fine

Neill Reid - i...@dowland.caltech.edu

Don Ehrlich

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Apr 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/20/96
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(Dennis Chang) wrote:

> Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
> Also, what are your favorite recordings?

I'm a violist, so it should come as no surprise that I prefer the viola
version. To my taste, I think the clarinet version comes off as plain and
not expressive.

Don

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August Helmbright

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Apr 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/21/96
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viol...@slip.net (Don Ehrlich) wrote:

Have you heard Reginald Kell? To call his performance of these sonatas
plain and not expressive would be astounding. BTW, I got the Kell
recordings on an MCA double decker CD reissue which features his
clarinet versions on one disk and the viola versions with Paul Doktor
on the other disk.

August

Roger Lustig

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Apr 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/21/96
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In article <4l89tj$f...@news.nyu.edu> to...@cns.nyu.edu writes:

>>kc...@cornell.edu (Dennis Chang) wrote:

>>>Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
>>>Also, what are your favorite recordings?

>I recently picked up a very cheap Stradivari disk with the viola


>versions by Nobuko Imai and Harris Goldsmith, which is very well done.
>I think I like the clarinet version even better, but I don't have a
>recording to recommend.

>Does anyone know if the Harris Goldsmith accompanying Imai is the
>sometime music/recording reviewer of the same name? He plays nicely.

Indeed he is. He's also the same Harris Goldsmith who made a
recording of the same pieces with the late clarinetist Harold
"Buddy" Wright.

Nobuko Imai, however, is *not* the same as Verdi's Nabucco.

Roger


I. Neill Reid

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Apr 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/21/96
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In article <violadon-200...@sf-pm9-15-207.dialup.slip.net>, viol...@slip.net (Don Ehrlich) writes...
>In article <4l6b1i$e...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, kc...@cornell.edu

>(Dennis Chang) wrote:
>
>> Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
>> Also, what are your favorite recordings?
>
>I'm a violist, so it should come as no surprise that I prefer the viola
>version. To my taste, I think the clarinet version comes off as plain and
>not expressive.

You've been listening to too many straight-toned performances - the
clarinet has to sing. Listen to the way Kell shapes the lines.

Neill Reid - i...@dowland.caltech.edu

Rick Hayward

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Apr 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/22/96
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In message <violadon-200...@sf-pm9-15-207.dialup.slip.net>
viol...@slip.net (Don Ehrlich) writes:

> In article <4l6b1i$e...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, kc...@cornell.edu
> (Dennis Chang) wrote:

> > Which instrument do you prefer on these unbelievably beautiful pieces?
> > Also, what are your favorite recordings?

> I'm a violist, so it should come as no surprise that I prefer the viola
> version. To my taste, I think the clarinet version comes off as plain and
> not expressive.

I'm another one - but I confess I prefer the clarinet version; but I
may be influenced by the fact that I have never found these sonatas
(or the ones for violin, come to that), enjoyable to play. Brahms's
writing for solo strings too often feels like an ill-fitting coat.

RH --
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Terry Oxley

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Apr 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/22/96
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On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, JDT wrote:
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> >Does anyone know if the Harris Goldsmith accompanying Imai is the
> >sometime music/recording reviewer of the same name? He plays nicely.
>
He made a recording of the Brahms Sonatas with Harold Wright in the 60s(?)
that is still my personal favorite.>
>
>

Terry Oxley
Department of Music
Bloomsburg University
Bloomsburg Pennsylvania
ox...@planetx.bloomu.edu


Paul Kimoto

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Apr 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/23/96
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JDT (chac...@idsonline.com) wrote:

: to...@cns.nyu.edu (Tony Movshon) wrote:
: >Does anyone know if the Harris Goldsmith accompanying Imai is the
: >sometime music/recording reviewer of the same name? He plays nicely.

: Yes it is. He also made a recording (not on CD to the best of my


: knowledge) in ca.1971 with Imai of the viola/clarinet
: music of Robert Schuman. Harold Wright is the clarinet.
: Record was a budget Victrola VICS-1621

This appears in a year-old Music & Arts catalog (as CD 690).

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Karl G. Ekblad

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Apr 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/23/96
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In article <violadon-200...@sf-pm9-15-207.dialup.slip.net>,

viol...@slip.net (Don Ehrlich) wrote:

> I'm a violist, so it should come as no surprise that I prefer the viola
> version. To my taste, I think the clarinet version comes off as plain and
> not expressive.

I love playing these sonatas on my clarinet. But it's more relaxing
listening to the viola-versions. Then I don't ask myself: Why did he do
that?
Concerning clarinet recordings, try listening to Gervase de Peyer. It mat
not be technically perfectly smooth all the way, but it's a beautiful
Brahms.

A & P Barnett

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Apr 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/25/96
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In article <4lhr8u$k...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
kim...@spacenet.tn.cornell.edu (Paul Kimoto) wrote:

He also recorded the Brahms clarinet sonatas with Wright. I have the lp on
MHS. The performances are wonderful, but I don't know if they're available
on CD.

asb

A & P Barnett

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Apr 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/27/96
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In article <4lf5kj$i...@irk.zetnet.co.uk>, rick.h...@zetnet.co.uk (Rick
Hayward) wrote:

>>
> > I'm a violist, so it should come as no surprise that I prefer the viola
> > version. To my taste, I think the clarinet version comes off as plain and
> > not expressive.
>

> I'm another one - but I confess I prefer the clarinet version; but I
> may be influenced by the fact that I have never found these sonatas
> (or the ones for violin, come to that), enjoyable to play. Brahms's
> writing for solo strings too often feels like an ill-fitting coat.
>

They're wonderful to play on the clarinet, except for those sextuplets in
the first movement of the f-minor, which I still can't consistently play
cleanly!

asb

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