Rodney Russell Bennett?

[Dave Tholen]

Another CD printing inconsistency. Volume 16 of "The Begian Years" includes an arrangement of Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess". The U
card says the arrangement is by Rodney Russell Bennett, but the booklet says the arrangement is by Robert Russell Bennett. I'm
inclined the believe the latter, as Robert Russell Bennett is well known, but in 2017 the Iceland Symphony Orchestra performed
Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess Symphonic Portrait" and indicates the arranger is Rodney Russell Bennett. And in the program notes for
Carmina Burana by the Victoria Symphony, we have "Rachmaninoff looked to Rodney Russell Bennett, the Broadway arranger". I've found
nothing to indicate that Robert ever went by the name Rodney, so I don't think we're dealing with a case of an alias for the same
person, but it seems much too coincidental for there to be two arrangements of Porgy and Bess by two different people who both
happen to have middle and family names of Russell Bennett. However, it's also much too coincidental for three different
organizations to make the same printing error.

Can anybody shed some light on the inconsistency?

[Peter T. Daniels]

Richard Rodney Bennett (1936-2012) was a different person from Robert Russell Bennett (1894-1981).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rodney_Bennett

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Russell_Bennett

[Dave Tholen]

Yes, I was already aware of that, as the Google search turned up that name as well. However, neither the Iceland nor Victoria
references were to a Richard Rodney Bennett, but rather to a Rodney Russell Bennett.

Maybe it's a case of error carried forward, if one writer of program notes winds up referring to the other as a source of information.

[Peter T. Daniels]

How could a basic mistake be less obvious? The two composers were active
simultaneously, the names are very similar, and confusing them together is a
very simple thing to do.

Broadway arrangements are by Robert Russell. They are not by Richard Rodney.
There is no Rodney Russell.

[Dave Tholen]

>>>> Another CD printing inconsistency. Volume 16 of "The Begian Years" includes an arrangement of Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess". The U
>>>> card says the arrangement is by Rodney Russell Bennett, but the booklet says the arrangement is by Robert Russell Bennett. I'm

>>>> inclined to believe the latter, as Robert Russell Bennett is well known, but in 2017 the Iceland Symphony Orchestra performed

>>>> Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess Symphonic Portrait" and indicates the arranger is Rodney Russell Bennett. And in the program notes for
>>>> Carmina Burana by the Victoria Symphony, we have "Rachmaninoff looked to Rodney Russell Bennett, the Broadway arranger". I've found
>>>> nothing to indicate that Robert ever went by the name Rodney, so I don't think we're dealing with a case of an alias for the same
>>>> person, but it seems much too coincidental for there to be two arrangements of Porgy and Bess by two different people who both
>>>> happen to have middle and family names of Russell Bennett. However, it's also much too coincidental for three different
>>>> organizations to make the same printing error.
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody shed some light on the inconsistency?

>>> Richard Rodney Bennett (1936-2012) was a different person from Robert Russell Bennett (1894-1981).
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rodney_Bennett
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Russell_Bennett

>> Yes, I was already aware of that, as the Google search turned up that name as well. However, neither the Iceland nor Victoria
>> references were to a Richard Rodney Bennett, but rather to a Rodney Russell Bennett.
>>
>> Maybe it's a case of error carried forward, if one writer of program notes winds up referring to the other as a source of information.

> How could a basic mistake be less obvious? The two composers were active
> simultaneously, the names are very similar, and confusing them together is a
> very simple thing to do.

Richard Rodney is not at all similar to Robert Russell. The only thing they have in common is the surname. How simple is it to
confuse you with Jack Daniels?

> Broadway arrangements are by Robert Russell. They are not by Richard Rodney.
> There is no Rodney Russell.

And yet three different and disparate sources all printed "Rodney Russell Bennett". What are the odds?

[Peter T. Daniels]

> confuse you with Jack Daniels?\

The liquor person's name is Jack Daniel.

Both Bennetts have first and second names beginning with R, each of two
syllables, with the same stress pattern. If you've seen one of them you might
not realize when seeing the other that it wasn't the name you'd seen before.

When you tried to remember one or the other, you might have mixed up-
parts of the names.

They're a lot more similar to each other than "Jack" is to "Peter."

Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under for years?

> > Broadway arrangements are by Robert Russell. They are not by Richard Rodney.
> > There is no Rodney Russell.
> And yet three different and disparate sources all printed "Rodney Russell Bennett". What are the odds?

They must be as stupid as you, copying from one to another without checking.

[Dave Tholen]

>>>>>> Another CD printing inconsistency. Volume 16 of "The Begian Years" includes an arrangement of Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess". The U
>>>>>> card says the arrangement is by Rodney Russell Bennett, but the booklet says the arrangement is by Robert Russell Bennett. I'm
>>>>>> inclined to believe the latter, as Robert Russell Bennett is well known, but in 2017 the Iceland Symphony Orchestra performed
>>>>>> Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess Symphonic Portrait" and indicates the arranger is Rodney Russell Bennett. And in the program notes for
>>>>>> Carmina Burana by the Victoria Symphony, we have "Rachmaninoff looked to Rodney Russell Bennett, the Broadway arranger". I've found
>>>>>> nothing to indicate that Robert ever went by the name Rodney, so I don't think we're dealing with a case of an alias for the same
>>>>>> person, but it seems much too coincidental for there to be two arrangements of Porgy and Bess by two different people who both
>>>>>> happen to have middle and family names of Russell Bennett. However, it's also much too coincidental for three different
>>>>>> organizations to make the same printing error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anybody shed some light on the inconsistency?

>>>>> Richard Rodney Bennett (1936-2012) was a different person from Robert Russell Bennett (1894-1981).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rodney_Bennett
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Russell_Bennett

>>>> Yes, I was already aware of that, as the Google search turned up that name as well. However, neither the Iceland nor Victoria
>>>> references were to a Richard Rodney Bennett, but rather to a Rodney Russell Bennett.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's a case of error carried forward, if one writer of program notes winds up referring to the other as a source of information.

>>> How could a basic mistake be less obvious? The two composers were active
>>> simultaneously, the names are very similar, and confusing them together is a
>>> very simple thing to do.

>> Richard Rodney is not at all similar to Robert Russell. The only thing they have in common is the surname. How simple is it to
>> confuse you with Jack Daniels?

> The liquor person's name is Jack Daniel.

Ah, but the liquor's name is Jack Daniels. As for the apostrophe, I refer you to discussion about the Russian Sailors' Dance.

> Both Bennetts have first and second names beginning with R, each of two
> syllables, with the same stress pattern. If you've seen one of them you might
> not realize when seeing the other that it wasn't the name you'd seen before.

However, if "Rodney Russell Bennett" doesn't exist, then the writer shouldn't have seen that name at all in the first place.

> When you tried to remember one or the other, you might have mixed up-
> parts of the names.

I'm not the one who mixed them up, Daniels. There are three different authors involved, the one who wrote the program notes for the
Victoria Symphony, the one who wrote the program notes for the Iceland Symphony, and the one who wrote the U card insert for Volume
XVI of the Begian Years CD. Three people making the same mistake involving the name of person who you claim doesn't exist.

> They're a lot more similar to each other than "Jack" is to "Peter."

You're as bad at recognizing sarcasm as Sheldon Cooper.

> Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under for years?

Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>> Broadway arrangements are by Robert Russell. They are not by Richard Rodney.
>>> There is no Rodney Russell.

>> And yet three different and disparate sources all printed "Rodney Russell Bennett". What are the odds?

> They must be as stupid as you, copying from one to another without checking.

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Daniels? I'm not the one who copied the name. I am the one who is doing the
checking on somebody else's work BEFORE I put the name in my database.

Talk about stupidity. Ironic.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 6:45:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Tholen wrote:

> >>>>>> Another CD printing inconsistency. Volume 16 of "The Begian Years" includes an arrangement of Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess". The U
> >>>>>> card says the arrangement is by Rodney Russell Bennett, but the booklet says the arrangement is by Robert Russell Bennett. I'm
> >>>>>> inclined to believe the latter, as Robert Russell Bennett is well known, but in 2017 the Iceland Symphony Orchestra performed
> >>>>>> Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess Symphonic Portrait" and indicates the arranger is Rodney Russell Bennett. And in the program notes for
> >>>>>> Carmina Burana by the Victoria Symphony, we have "Rachmaninoff looked to Rodney Russell Bennett, the Broadway arranger". I've found
> >>>>>> nothing to indicate that Robert ever went by the name Rodney, so I don't think we're dealing with a case of an alias for the same
> >>>>>> person, but it seems much too coincidental for there to be two arrangements of Porgy and Bess by two different people who both
> >>>>>> happen to have middle and family names of Russell Bennett. However, it's also much too coincidental for three different
> >>>>>> organizations to make the same printing error.
> >>>>>> Can anybody shed some light on the inconsistency?
> >>>>> Richard Rodney Bennett (1936-2012) was a different person from Robert Russell Bennett (1894-1981).
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rodney_Bennett
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Russell_Bennett
> >>>> Yes, I was already aware of that, as the Google search turned up that name as well. However, neither the Iceland nor Victoria
> >>>> references were to a Richard Rodney Bennett, but rather to a Rodney Russell Bennett.
> >>>> Maybe it's a case of error carried forward, if one writer of program notes winds up referring to the other as a source of information.
> >>> How could a basic mistake be less obvious? The two composers were active
> >>> simultaneously, the names are very similar, and confusing them together is a
> >>> very simple thing to do.
> >> Richard Rodney is not at all similar to Robert Russell. The only thing they have in common is the surname. How simple is it to
> >> confuse you with Jack Daniels?
> > The liquor person's name is Jack Daniel.
>
> Ah, but the liquor's name is Jack Daniels. As for the apostrophe, I refer you to discussion about the Russian Sailors' Dance.

No, it is not. It is "Jack Daniel's," and has nothing to do with singular/
plural and all to do with a possessive and a registered trademark.

> > Both Bennetts have first and second names beginning with R, each of two
> > syllables, with the same stress pattern. If you've seen one of them you might
> > not realize when seeing the other that it wasn't the name you'd seen before.
>
> However, if "Rodney Russell Bennett" doesn't exist, then the writer shouldn't have seen that name at all in the first place.

Then go attack that writer for research even sloppier than your own,
not someone who tries to set you straight (no matter how fruitless
that attempt is).

> > When you tried to remember one or the other, you might have mixed up-
> > parts of the names.
>
> I'm not the one who mixed them up, Daniels.

Tholen, are you so stupid, Tholen, that you don't know that "you:" is
often used as a generic pronoun meaning 'someone', Tholen?

> There are three different authors involved, the one who wrote the program notes for the
> Victoria Symphony, the one who wrote the program notes for the Iceland Symphony, and the one who wrote the U card insert for Volume
> XVI of the Begian Years CD. Three people making the same mistake involving the name of person who you claim doesn't exist.

Who does not exist.

Why are you making your asinine comments here, instead of writing
to the CD company, the Victoria Symphony, and the Iceland Symphony?

> > They're a lot more similar to each other than "Jack" is to "Peter."
>
> You're as bad at recognizing sarcasm as Sheldon Cooper.

Aspies like you don't do sarcasm.

> > Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under for years?
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Ah, that brings back memories! Memories of the days you were hated
by every sane poster to this now moribund newsgroup.

> >>> Broadway arrangements are by Robert Russell. They are not by Richard Rodney.
> >>> There is no Rodney Russell.
> >> And yet three different and disparate sources all printed "Rodney Russell Bennett". What are the odds?
> > They must be as stupid as you, copying from one to another without checking.
>
> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Daniels?

Ah, Tholen, the other hackneyed blast from the past, Tholen!

> I'm not the one who copied the name. I am the one who is doing the
> checking on somebody else's work BEFORE I put the name in my database.

Obviously, you're not.

> Talk about stupidity. Ironic.

[Dave Tholen]

Amazing that you STILL don't understand the question about the Russian Sailors' Dance.

>>> Both Bennetts have first and second names beginning with R, each of two
>>> syllables, with the same stress pattern. If you've seen one of them you might
>>> not realize when seeing the other that it wasn't the name you'd seen before.

>> However, if "Rodney Russell Bennett" doesn't exist, then the writer shouldn't have seen that name at all in the first place.

> Then go attack that writer

THREE writers, Daniels. THREE. How many does it take before it's no longer a coincidence?

> for research even sloppier than your own,

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> not someone who tries to set you straight (no matter how fruitless
> that attempt is).

How nice that you've managed to convince yourself that you're so absolutely correct that you're in a position to set other people
"straight", Daniels. You should brush up on your writing skills, because you've not been at all convincing.

>>> When you tried to remember one or the other, you might have mixed up-
>>> parts of the names.

>> I'm not the one who mixed them up, Daniels.

> Tholen, are you so stupid, Tholen, that you don't know that "you:" is
> often used as a generic pronoun meaning 'someone', Tholen?

Daniels, are you so stupid, Daniels, that you don't know the difference between the second person and the third person?

>> There are three different authors involved, the one who wrote the program notes for the
>> Victoria Symphony, the one who wrote the program notes for the Iceland Symphony, and the one who wrote the U card insert for Volume
>> XVI of the Begian Years CD. Three people making the same mistake involving the name of person who you claim doesn't exist.

> Who does not exist.

Does repeating your claim make it any more authoritative, Daniels?

> Why are you making your asinine comments here, instead of writing
> to the CD company, the Victoria Symphony, and the Iceland Symphony?

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous presupposition.

>>> They're a lot more similar to each other than "Jack" is to "Peter."

>> You're as bad at recognizing sarcasm as Sheldon Cooper.

> Aspies like you don't do sarcasm.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous presupposition.

>>> Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under for years?

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> Ah, that brings back memories! Memories of the days you were hated
> by every sane poster to this now moribund newsgroup.

Another classic unsubstantiated and erroneous presupposition. Interesting that you hang out in a newsgroup you deem "moribund",
Daniels. Lonely?

>>>>> Broadway arrangements are by Robert Russell. They are not by Richard Rodney.
>>>>> There is no Rodney Russell.

>>>> And yet three different and disparate sources all printed "Rodney Russell Bennett". What are the odds?

>>> They must be as stupid as you, copying from one to another without checking.

>> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Daniels?

> Ah, Tholen, the other hackneyed blast from the past, Tholen!

Yes, you've exhibited reading comprehension problems in the past, Daniels, and I pointed some of those out as well.

>> I'm not the one who copied the name. I am the one who is doing the
>> checking on somebody else's work BEFORE I put the name in my database.

> Obviously, you're not.

You should have your hallucination checked out, Daniels.

>> Talk about stupidity. Ironic.