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aesthete8

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Jan 21, 2012, 12:47:08 AM1/21/12
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http://theweek.com/article/index/203157/can-computers-write-classical-music

John Wiser

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Jan 21, 2012, 5:24:38 AM1/21/12
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> http://theweek.com/article/index/203157/can-computers-write-classical-music
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They are to be envied, those for whom the world renews itself daily.

JDW

Curlytop

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Jan 22, 2012, 4:33:09 PM1/22/12
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aesthete8 set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
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http://theweek.com/article/index/203157/can-computers-write-classical-music

As the old joke puts it, their Bach would be worse than their byte.
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laraine

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Jan 22, 2012, 4:34:10 PM1/22/12
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On Jan 20, 11:47 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://theweek.com/article/index/203157/can-computers-write-classical...

But can a Bach expert tell the difference?

C.
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John Wiser

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Jan 23, 2012, 5:19:00 PM1/23/12
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"dave" <da...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> "Can computers write classical music?
> Chris Wilson at Slate tells the story of David Cope, a composer who
> has programmed a computer to write Bach-like music that has moved
> listeners to tears"
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> That bad uh! Not surprised.
>

I tried but I couldn't cope.

JDW

Ricky Jimenez

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Jan 23, 2012, 7:58:22 PM1/23/12
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Not only has there never been an entirely computer written musical
composition that has entered the repertory but even lesser tasks like
competently orchestrating piano scores are beyond the capabilities of
known computer programs. There are, of course, interactive computer
aids that are useful to composers.

laraine

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Jan 23, 2012, 8:07:53 PM1/23/12
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> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:34:10 -0800 (PST), laraine <larai...@gmail.com>
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> >>On Jan 20, 11:47 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>http://theweek.com/article/index/203157/can-computers-write-classical...
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> >>But can a Bach expert tell the difference?
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> >>C.
> > "Can computers write classical music?
> > Chris Wilson at Slate tells the story of David Cope, a composer who
> > has programmed a computer to write Bach-like music that has moved
> > listeners to tears"
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> > That bad uh!  Not surprised.
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> I tried but I couldn't cope.
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> JDW


Unfortunately, the computer or whoever is performing
here doesn't play and interpret extremely well.

However, the Chopin mazurka (which sounded
like a nocturne at first) had good expression:

http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm

C.

laraine

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Jan 23, 2012, 8:58:21 PM1/23/12
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Here's another thought --what would happen
if he blended a Bach with a Joplin or a Mahler
with a Chopin?

C.

Joe Roberts

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Jan 24, 2012, 9:05:22 PM1/24/12
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"John Wiser" wrote:

> "dave" wrote:
> > That bad uh! Not surprised.

> I tried but I couldn't cope.

> JDW


Same effect here. Bored halfway through, hoping against hope to the end. Déjà vu all over again.

One wonders how 4'33" could be considered less trivial if it were computer-generated.

(Apologies, Peter: it's a new season.)

Joe

Peter T. Daniels

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Jan 24, 2012, 10:52:22 PM1/24/12
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JDW was making a pun.

I'm accustomed to incomprehending jibes at 4'33", but I don't have to
tolerate them!

Kip Williams

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Jan 25, 2012, 9:04:04 AM1/25/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> I'm accustomed to incomprehending jibes at 4'33", but I don't have to
> tolerate them!

Just pretend not to hear.


Kip W

Peter T. Daniels

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Jan 25, 2012, 12:22:11 PM1/25/12
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Aargh!

I think Mr. Cage would suggest that was impossible. We don't have
earlids. (Why?)

Kip Williams

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Jan 25, 2012, 12:41:48 PM1/25/12
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I don't know. I can pretend quite a bit.


Kip W

Adam Funk

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Jan 25, 2012, 4:06:35 PM1/25/12
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We can buy earplugs.


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Peter T. Daniels

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Jan 25, 2012, 4:50:38 PM1/25/12
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On Jan 25, 4:06 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-01-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
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> > On Jan 25, 9:04 am, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > I'm accustomed to incomprehending jibes at 4'33", but I don't have to
> >> > tolerate them!
>
> >> Just pretend not to hear.
>
> > Aargh!
>
> > I think Mr. Cage would suggest that was impossible. We don't have
> > earlids. (Why?)
>
> We can buy earplugs.

You'd think Evolution would have noticed how convenient it is to be
able to stop seeing and tasting, and come up with ways to stop
hearing, smelling, and feeling at will.

But presumably those functions of eyelids and lips are exaptations, or
spandrels.

Kip Williams

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Jan 25, 2012, 5:30:34 PM1/25/12
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Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2012-01-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
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>> On Jan 25, 9:04 am, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> I'm accustomed to incomprehending jibes at 4'33", but I don't have to
>>>> tolerate them!
>>>
>>> Just pretend not to hear.
>>
>> Aargh!
>>
>> I think Mr. Cage would suggest that was impossible. We don't have
>> earlids. (Why?)
>
> We can buy earplugs.

And we come equipped with fingers.


Kip W

John Wiser

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Jan 25, 2012, 11:42:15 PM1/25/12
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"Kip Williams" <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Selective deafness runs in my family. Evolution marches on!

JDW

Joe Roberts

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Jan 26, 2012, 11:21:02 AM1/26/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
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> Kip Williams wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > I'm accustomed to incomprehending jibes at 4'33",
>> > but I don't have to tolerate them!
>>
>> Just pretend not to hear.

> Aargh!
>
> I think Mr. Cage would suggest that was impossible.
> We don't have earlids. (Why?)

The whole unfortunate affair could have been avoided if the fellow simply had his alarm programmed to play 4'33" as his wake-up tune.

Joe

Adam Funk

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Jan 26, 2012, 3:05:42 PM1/26/12
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LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU


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Peter Granzeau

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Jan 26, 2012, 5:18:30 PM1/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:21:02 -0500, "Joe Roberts" <cd...@comcast.net>
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>The whole unfortunate affair could have been avoided if the fellow simply had his alarm programmed to play 4'33" as his wake-up tune.

4'33"? Why not 6 3/4 feet?

Joe Roberts

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Jan 27, 2012, 12:00:29 AM1/27/12
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"Peter Granzeau" wrote:

> "Joe Roberts" wrote:
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> >The whole unfortunate affair could have been avoided
> > if the fellow simply had his alarm programmed to play
> > 4'33" as his wake-up tune.
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> 4'33"? Why not 6 3/4 feet?

One does wonder what 4'33" would 'sound' like in metric: either way, it comes up short of even average human stature.

But still, a wonderful ringtone.

Joe

Adam Funk

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Jan 27, 2012, 4:23:45 PM1/27/12
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Evolution has been superseded by tool-making.


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Peter Granzeau

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Jan 27, 2012, 7:43:51 PM1/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:00:29 -0500, "Joe Roberts" <cd...@comcast.net>
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Especially when attending musical concerts, play, or church services.
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