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David McKay

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Jun 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/21/00
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I thought we studied a requiem of Rossini's in 3rd or 4th year at Newcastle
Conservatorium.. I remember that the section we studied had the same chords
as Heart and Soul:
I vi IV V I
as I remember.
It sounded quite a bit different from Verdi's!

Grove doesn't list a requiem.
David McKay


Richard Schultz

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David Sachs (sa...@fnal.fnal.gov) wrote:
: Some time ago on the ABC quiz show "Who wants to be a millionaire", a
: contestant was asked to identify which one of 4 composers DID NOT write a
: Requiem Mass. The choices were Brahms, Mozart, Rossini and Verdi, with
: the "correct" answer supposedly being Rossini. I think the contestant
: misguessed Verdi, the only one of the listed composers who clearly did
: write a complete Requiem Mass.

Well, they've made mistakes before. I remember that they once asked for
the largest of the great lakes excluding Lake Superior, the contestant
got it right, was declared wrong, and had to be invited back. And
Regis Philbin is a truly annoying human being (frankly, I think that
the Israeli MC is much better). I remember seeing one question, "What
is the major ingredient in hummus?" and after the answer was given,
Philbin was going on and on about how he loved the sound of the word
"hummus" -- except that he was pronouncing it incorrectly. Have any of
the contestants on the show reminded him of the game show on which he
was a panelist (playing himself) in Woody Allen's movie "Everything
You Wanted to Know about Sex, But Were Afraid to Ask"?

: Among the major composers who wrote Requiem Masses, I remember Berlioz
: and Faure; I am sure there are others.

Ligeti wrote a Requiem, but it's not a complete setting. Of course,
neither is Faure's and you counted that one. Britten wrote a "War
Requiem" which intersperses poems from World War One with the traditional
text. Durufle wrote a Requiem that's usually the flip side of recordings
of the Faure. And Rod Serling wrote "Requiem for a Heavyweight."

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Judy Gillen

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Jun 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/21/00
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hi David,
Maurice Durufle's requiem is superb IMHO..
Judy Gillen Inspirational Classics HCJB World Radio.


"David Sachs" <sa...@fnal.fnal.gov> wrote in message
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> Some time ago on the ABC quiz show "Who wants to be a millionaire", a
> contestant was asked to identify which one of 4 composers DID NOT write a
> Requiem Mass. The choices were Brahms, Mozart, Rossini and Verdi, with
the
> "correct" answer supposedly being Rossini. I think the contestant
misguessed
> Verdi, the only one of the listed composers who clearly did write a
complete
> Requiem Mass.
>

> Of these composers:
>
> Verdi wrote a well-known and frequently performed Requiem Mass.
>
> Mozart's Requiem Mass was incomplete when he died. I don't think he wrote
a
> complete one. He did write other Masses.
>
> Brahms wrote "Ein Deutsches Requiem", whose text differs from that of the
> standard Mass. Is it a Mass?
>
> Rossini probably did not write a Requiem Mass, though he did write some
> religious music.

Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)

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Jun 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/21/00
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And don't forget the one by John Rutter! True, it's the
Anglican, not the Roman catholic service, but Brahms didn't
use the "standard" text either, so if you count him.... And
didn't Herbert Howells write a Requiem, too? I seem to
recall seeing an announcement of its performance, somewhere.

Richard Schultz wrote:
>
> David Sachs (sa...@fnal.fnal.gov) wrote:
> : Some time ago on the ABC quiz show "Who wants to be a millionaire", a


> : contestant was asked to identify which one of 4 composers DID NOT write a
> : Requiem Mass. The choices were Brahms, Mozart, Rossini and Verdi, with
> : the "correct" answer supposedly being Rossini. I think the contestant
> : misguessed Verdi, the only one of the listed composers who clearly did
> : write a complete Requiem Mass.
>

> Well, they've made mistakes before. I remember that they once asked for
> the largest of the great lakes excluding Lake Superior, the contestant
> got it right, was declared wrong, and had to be invited back. And
> Regis Philbin is a truly annoying human being (frankly, I think that
> the Israeli MC is much better). I remember seeing one question, "What
> is the major ingredient in hummus?" and after the answer was given,
> Philbin was going on and on about how he loved the sound of the word
> "hummus" -- except that he was pronouncing it incorrectly. Have any of
> the contestants on the show reminded him of the game show on which he
> was a panelist (playing himself) in Woody Allen's movie "Everything
> You Wanted to Know about Sex, But Were Afraid to Ask"?
>

> : Among the major composers who wrote Requiem Masses, I remember Berlioz


> : and Faure; I am sure there are others.
>

Hanns Krehbiel

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Jun 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/21/00
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Afaik from the "official" catholic texts Rossini composed a mass (Petite messe
solennelle) and a Stabat mater. That's it.

The Brahms GR clearly is no mass. The "Musikalische Exequien (das ist: Begr"abnis-
Missa teutsch)" by Sch"utz fall into the same category: Funeral music on biblical
texts chosen by the composer; or, in the case of Sch"utz, by his employer.

More Requiems by Cherubini, Faure, Schnittke (probably not on the liturgical
text), Dvorak, Ligeti.

Many more are found in

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/beejee/req_all.htm


hanns krehbiel

Peter T. Daniels

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Jun 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/21/00
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Richard Schultz wrote:
>
> David Sachs (sa...@fnal.fnal.gov) wrote:
> : Some time ago on the ABC quiz show "Who wants to be a millionaire", a
> : contestant was asked to identify which one of 4 composers DID NOT write a
> : Requiem Mass. The choices were Brahms, Mozart, Rossini and Verdi, with
> : the "correct" answer supposedly being Rossini. I think the contestant
> : misguessed Verdi, the only one of the listed composers who clearly did
> : write a complete Requiem Mass.
>
> Regis Philbin is a truly annoying human being (frankly, I think that
> the Israeli MC is much better). I remember seeing one question, "What
> is the major ingredient in hummus?" and after the answer was given,
> Philbin was going on and on about how he loved the sound of the word
> "hummus" -- except that he was pronouncing it incorrectly. Have any of
> the contestants on the show reminded him of the game show on which he
> was a panelist (playing himself) in Woody Allen's movie "Everything
> You Wanted to Know about Sex, But Were Afraid to Ask"?

He mispronounces "Mozart" every time it comes up.

Great ties, though.

I stopped watching after a while, but it seemed they gave up pretty
quickly on classical music questions, since the contestants *never* got
them right.

One time, though, one of them got the composer of "Magic Flute" (or
something like that) because it had been mentioned in a rock lyric 15
years ago.

One time "Joey Bishop" was one of the wrong answers, and the opportunity
was missed to mention Regis's earlier connection with him.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@worldnet.att.net

Paul Dormer

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Jun 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/21/00
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In article <39509920...@desy.de>, hanns.k...@desy.de (Hanns
Krehbiel) wrote:

> More Requiems by Cherubini, Faure, Schnittke (probably not on the
> liturgical
> text), Dvorak, Ligeti.

The Schnittke is on the liturgical text, more or less.

Steve Shafer

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Jun 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/22/00
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What about Lloyd Weber's Requiem? I'm unfamiliar with any of it except the popular
"Pie Jesu", but just that proves that it fits into the prototype of a Requiem Mass,
right? Sorry if someone already mentioned Weber's Requiem, I just wanted to make sure
it was out there.
~Steve Shafer

Hanns Krehbiel wrote:

> Afaik from the "official" catholic texts Rossini composed a mass (Petite messe
> solennelle) and a Stabat mater. That's it.
>
> The Brahms GR clearly is no mass. The "Musikalische Exequien (das ist: Begr"abnis-
> Missa teutsch)" by Sch"utz fall into the same category: Funeral music on biblical
> texts chosen by the composer; or, in the case of Sch"utz, by his employer.
>

> More Requiems by Cherubini, Faure, Schnittke (probably not on the liturgical
> text), Dvorak, Ligeti.
>

Richard Schultz

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Jun 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/22/00
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Steve Shafer (sha...@fuse.net) wrote:
: What about Lloyd Weber's Requiem?

The question was which *composers* wrote Requeim Masses. Andrew
Lloyd Webber is more of a decomposer than a composer.


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Jun 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/22/00
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In article <8iopa2$goj$1...@info3.fnal.gov>,

"David Sachs" <sa...@fnal.fnal.gov> wrote:
> Some time ago on the ABC quiz show "Who wants to be a millionaire", a
> contestant was asked to identify which one of 4 composers DID NOT
write a
> Requiem Mass. The choices were Brahms, Mozart, Rossini and Verdi,
with the
> "correct" answer supposedly being Rossini. I think the contestant
misguessed
> Verdi, the only one of the listed composers who clearly did write a
complete
> Requiem Mass.
>
> Of these composers:
>
> Verdi wrote a well-known and frequently performed Requiem Mass.
>
> Mozart's Requiem Mass was incomplete when he died. I don't think he
wrote a
> complete one. He did write other Masses.
>
> Brahms wrote "Ein Deutsches Requiem", whose text differs from that of
the
> standard Mass. Is it a Mass?
>
> Rossini probably did not write a Requiem Mass, though he did write
some
> religious music.
>
> Among the major composers who wrote Requiem Masses, I remember
Berlioz and
> Faure; I am sure there are others.
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Saens,Gounod,Massenet,F. Martin,Howells,Inghelbrecht all wrote Requiem
Masses. Rheinberger wrote 3.
James DeMars wrote "an American Requiem"
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alain

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Jun 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/22/00
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We've failed to mention Schubert! I've got the EMI Sacred Choral
Works (9 l.p. set) and they mention his requiem, D-453 in C. I
have never seen it on l.p. nor have I ever heard it refered to.
Has anyone?

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Don Drewecki

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Jun 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/22/00
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Regis DID ask the question: To whom did Beethoven originally dedicate
his Eroica Symphony? The contestant, as I recall, did get it down to a
50/50,and then blew it when he did not pick Napoleon. So, yeah, they
actually have asked some classical questions on "Millionaire".
--
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<dre...@rpi.edu>

Mike Painter

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Jun 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/22/00
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In article <0003a76e...@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com>, alain
<alainmv...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:

> We've failed to mention Schubert! I've got the EMI Sacred Choral
> Works (9 l.p. set) and they mention his requiem, D-453 in C. I
> have never seen it on l.p. nor have I ever heard it refered to.
> Has anyone?

I've seen reference to a "Deutsches Requiem," but it's also not included
in the 7 CD set with Sawallisch and the BRSO (EMI). I've also been curious
about it, as Schubert is a special interest of mine.

cheers,
Mike

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Peter T. Daniels

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Jun 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/23/00
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Don Drewecki wrote:
>
> Regis DID ask the question: To whom did Beethoven originally dedicate
> his Eroica Symphony? The contestant, as I recall, did get it down to a
> 50/50,and then blew it when he did not pick Napoleon. So, yeah, they
> actually have asked some classical questions on "Millionaire".

And, thanks to performances like that one, they soon stopped doing so.

Peter T. Daniels

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Jun 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/23/00
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Mike Painter wrote:
>
> In article <0003a76e...@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com>, alain
> <alainmv...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > We've failed to mention Schubert! I've got the EMI Sacred Choral
> > Works (9 l.p. set) and they mention his requiem, D-453 in C. I
> > have never seen it on l.p. nor have I ever heard it refered to.
> > Has anyone?
>
> I've seen reference to a "Deutsches Requiem," but it's also not included
> in the 7 CD set with Sawallisch and the BRSO (EMI). I've also been curious
> about it, as Schubert is a special interest of mine.

Unlike Brahms's, it's not a setting of biblical texts, but a treatment
of chorale tunes relating to Lutheran funeral obesequies. (Like JSB's
prison volume.)

David Cleary

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Jun 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/23/00
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Don Drewecki <dre...@rpi.edu> wrote:

: Regis DID ask the question: To whom did Beethoven originally dedicate
: his Eroica Symphony? The contestant, as I recall, did get it down to a
: 50/50,and then blew it when he did not pick Napoleon. So, yeah, they
: actually have asked some classical questions on "Millionaire".

That's one of a few episodes I actually did see. It was during
celebrity week and this question was put to either Drew Carey or Rosie
O'Donnell, and if memory serves, they got it right.

Dave

Steve Shafer

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Jun 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/24/00
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No, the man got the question right. The contestant used the 50/50, and then
used Amadeus (the film) as a reason to discount Mozart (the only other
option), and chose Napoleon. Got it right. :) Just thought I'd point that
out even though it's deferring from the original question. (sorry)
~Steve

Don Drewecki wrote:

> Regis DID ask the question: To whom did Beethoven originally dedicate
> his Eroica Symphony? The contestant, as I recall, did get it down to a
> 50/50,and then blew it when he did not pick Napoleon. So, yeah, they
> actually have asked some classical questions on "Millionaire".

> --
> Don Drewecki
> <dre...@rpi.edu>


Damian Oxborough

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Jun 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/24/00
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This whole millionnaire thing was, of course, started here in
Britain with the most annoying presenter in the world, Chris
Tarrant. I have watched a lot of the programmes (more out of
curiosity has to how much the idea of £1,000,000 can distract
someone's common sense than anything else) and have not yet seen
one classical music question. Having said that, the British
show is still waiting for someone to get the jackpot - I think
the most anyone has ever won yet is £250,000. I suppose it's
fair enough as a milion pounds is worth much more than a million
dollars anyway.

Just thought I'd stick my oar in with that (completely blunt)
point! :)

Damian Oxborough
www.dreamwater.com/oxborough

Peter T. Daniels

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Jun 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/24/00
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Damian Oxborough wrote:
>
> This whole millionnaire thing was, of course, started here in
> Britain with the most annoying presenter in the world, Chris
> Tarrant. I have watched a lot of the programmes (more out of
> curiosity has to how much the idea of £1,000,000 can distract
> someone's common sense than anything else) and have not yet seen
> one classical music question. Having said that, the British
> show is still waiting for someone to get the jackpot - I think
> the most anyone has ever won yet is £250,000. I suppose it's
> fair enough as a milion pounds is worth much more than a million
> dollars anyway.
>
> Just thought I'd stick my oar in with that (completely blunt)
> point! :)

Somehow I happened to see a *Live! with Regis and Kathie Lee* (which was
on tape, because it was a holiday) that included an interview with and
clips of that person. He is apparently far nastier to the contestants
than Regis is.

And a million pounds is worth a bit more than a million dollars. Just
over 50% or so.

Don Drewecki

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Jun 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/25/00
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Ooops -- I guess _I_ blew that one! Dave and Steve are right -- the
contestant got it right. I must have confused it with one which a
contestant missed. Ooops again......
--
Don Drewecki
<dre...@rpi.edu>

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