Vienna: Location of Beethoven's and Mozart's graves?
Rajeev Aloysius
and Mozart are buried? I know the grave of Mozart is unmarked, but a
symbolic memorial grave is shown at the beginning of the Solti Requiem
video on Decca/London.
regards
Rajeev Aloysius
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Mike Painter
raj...@starmail.com (Rajeev Aloysius) wrote:
From www.findagrave.com
cheers,
Mike (all sorts of composers are in the Zentralfriedhof - Schubert, J.
Strauss, Schoenberg)
Beethoven, Ludwig Van b. December 17, 1770 d. March 26, 1827 Composer,
Pianist. Starting from models of Viennese Classicism, his creativity
extended into the Romantic and had a lasting influence on the development
of music. He composed one opera "Fidelio", nine symphonies, chamber music,
piano sonatas, lieder and much more. He moved to Vienna in 1792 and
studied under Albrechtsberger, Haydn and Salieri. His hearing began to
deteriorate after 1800 and after 1815 he was completely deaf. He was
originally buried in the Währinger-Orts Friedhof next to Franz Schubert.
His grave fell into disrepair and in 1888 he was exhumed and reburied in
the Vienna Zentralfriedhof. Composer Anton Bruckner was present at the
exhumation out of morbid curiosity. Cause of death: Cirrhosis, jaundice,
bouts with colic and inflammation of the intestines, chronic hepatitis,
and liver failure
Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery), Vienna, Austria
Plot: Group 32 A, Number 29
Mozart, Wolfgang [original burial site] [cenotaph] b. January 27, 1756
d. December 5, 1791
Composer, Pianist, Violinist. Mozart was a child prodigy who composed
miraculous works as a child. He composed his first symphonies at age eight
and his first operas at age twelve. From the age of six he toured Europe
with his father and sister giving concerts before astonished crowds. His
audiences included the nobility of the Europe and even the Pope. Despite
his genius Mozart was never full appreciated during his own lifetime and
was better known as a performer than a composer. He died in relative
poverty at age 35 and was given the standard burial of the day - a mass
grave in St. Marx cemetary. Perhaps no other composer has had so many
legends develop surrounding their death. The composer Antonio Salieri, in
a deathbed confession, tried to take credit for murdering Mozart. There
was a popular rumor that Mozart's Masonic Lodge had assassinated him for
betraying lodge secrets in his opera "Die Zauberflste", but this has never
been proven. In 1901 a skull, whose owners claimed belonged to Mozart was
given to the Salzburg Mozarteum. The story of the skull is that Joseph
Rothmayer, Mozart's gravedigger, claimed to have rescued it from oblivion
during a reorganization (pulverizing of the bones so that the plot could
be reused) of the burial plot where Mozart's remains were in 1801.
Examination of the skull by a French team of forensic scientists proves
only that it could be that of the composer. It also showed that whoever
the original owner of the skull was that they died of chronic haematoma
possibly resulting from a fall. Chronic haematoma would account for the
depression and dizziness Mozart complained of experiencing before death.
The Mozarteum has not accepted the findings of the French team and has
been conducting its own studies. For futher information see "Archeology" -
March / April 1991: "The Mystery of Mozart's Skull" and the book 'After
the Funeral: The Posthumous Adventures of Famous Corpses' by Edwin A.
Murphy. A monument to Mozart was erected in 1859 in the St. Marx Friedhof
on the approximate spot where Mozart's bones are believed to be buried. It
was relocated to the Vienna Zentralfriedhof in 1891. Another monument -
that of an angel with a saddened face stands guard over the grave in St.
Marx today.
Cause of death: Millary Fever (Mozart
Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery), Vienna, Austria
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Does anyone know how to get to the Viennese graveyard where Beethoven
: and Mozart are buried? I know the grave of Mozart is unmarked, but a
: symbolic memorial grave is shown at the beginning of the Solti Requiem
: video on Decca/London.
It's the central cemetery. As I recall (it's been more than 15 years
since I was last in Vienna), it's very straightforward to get there by
public transportation, and the graves are quite easy to find. Plus you
get to see Schubert's grave as an added bonus. Now finding *Mahler's*
grave is more of a project. . .
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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Hanns Krehbiel
>
> cheers,
> Mike (all sorts of composers are in the Zentralfriedhof - Schubert, J.
> Strauss, Schoenberg)
>
Not to forget Brahms, Hugo Wolf, Lanner.
hanns krehbiel
Rajeev Aloysius
The www.findagrave.com website seems to be offline at the time of
writing, but it must be pretty good for Google to list it on top of
its directory on Cemeteries.
regards
Rajeev Aloysius
mjp4...@mindspringspam.comspam (Mike Painter) wrote in message news:<mjp4spam-010...@sdn-ar-018casfrmp202.dialsprint.net>...
Koontz Christopher Noel
Nor Schmidt (beautiful tombstone) and Zemlinsky (ugly, little tombstone
for an ugly, little guy; love his music, though) and Willi Boskovsky,
all laid to rest within a stone's throw of Schoenberg's grave.
Falco's goofy Plexiglas-ornamented obelisk is a must-see as well, for no
other reason than seeing a funerary monument with "Rock Me Amadeus"
engraved on it.
Chris
Peter T. Daniels
Who's Falco?
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Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Koontz Christopher Noel
>> Falco's goofy Plexiglas-ornamented obelisk is a must-see as well, for no
>> other reason than seeing a funerary monument with "Rock Me Amadeus"
>> engraved on it.
An Austrian pop star, noted for lapsing either into German from English
or English into German (with some occasional Italian thrown in), often
within the same sentence. Broke the US market with "Rock Me Amadeus" in
the mid-1980s: "Er war ein Super-star/ Er war so populaer/ Er war so
exzitiert/ Because er hat a flair" is a typical stanza. He was a master
artist of chutzpah, self-promotion, and mock egoism.
Chris
Peter T. Daniels
Whereas for a celebrity to be buried at Père Lachaise in Paris, you
actually have to _be_ somebody ...
Rajeev Aloysius
Do tell. Anyone, Mahler's grave?
Regards
Rajeev
<sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in message news:<aaqeha$4l2$1...@news.iucc.ac.il>...
Edward A. Cowan
> Do tell. Anyone, Mahler's grave?
Mahler's grave is in Grinzing, just slightly to the northwest of
Heiligenstadt, both near Vienna. The tombstone reads simply "GUSTAV
MAHLER". It is designed by Josef Hoffmann (the artist and designer, not
the pianist!).
--E.A.C.
Koontz Christopher Noel
> Hello Richard,
> Do tell. Anyone, Mahler's grave?
Get on the subway line that goes north and take it to its northernmost
stop. Get off and head west. You'll pass the hideous Karl Marx Haus
housing project and drink in the ambience of Red Vienna. Go north about
five minutes. There's a street that runs west; take it due west, passing
about eighteen houses where Beethoven or Grillparzer lived for at least a
week or so, or at least stopped for a cup of coffee, including the
Heiligenstadt house. After about thirty/forty-five minutes of walking,
you'll hit Grinzing, which has a nice marker to let you know you're
there. About ten minutes later, you'll find the church, which has a nice,
obvious onion-type dome, where you'd think the cemetery would be. Nope.
Go south a block or three, up a hill, down a hill, up another hill, find
out you've gone in a circle, go back up the hill, and there's the
cemetery. You can buy an inexpensive flower at the gate if you wish. It's
a small, pretty cemetery overlooking vinyards, and there's a sign pointing
you somewhat to Mahler's grave.
There's probably a more efficient way to do it (I think there is some
kind of bus that will run you down the long westward street) but
that's how I did it last August. This is from memory; I can give you the
actual details like streetnames later, if you want them. I managed to
piece it together from the 2000 Michelin guide to Vienna.
Chris
David R L Porter
from <sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> contains these words:
> It's the central cemetery. As I recall (it's been more than 15 years
> since I was last in Vienna), it's very straightforward to get there by
> public transportation, and the graves are quite easy to find.
Make sure you stay awake, though. I went on this particular pilgrimage a
few years ago, dozed off on the bus/tram? -- can't recall -- and woke up
back in central Vienna, having done the whole round trip in my sleep ...
If you're musically sightseeing in Vienna, there used to be and probably
still is a handy mulit-ticket for various municipal museums, including a
Beethoven residence ... and I think Mozart's FigaroHaus was included. A
quite cheap way of seeing the minor museums. The Beethoven site was
amusing -- they weren't entirely sure it was that house LvB lived in
'but it had the same view of the church', the furniture probably wasn't
his 'but is very similar to what he owned'; and the pictures on the
walls were mainly copies -- 'the originals are in the City Art
Gallery'.Curiously moving, though. Afterwards I sat at a bus stop in
Hieligenstadt and let two buses go by, it was so moving just being in
Heiligenstadt.
The most evocative musical museum in Vienna IMHO is the FigaroHaus, but
my favourite musical pilgrimage of all is Beethoven's birthplace in
Bonn. I'm hoping this year to travel to East Germany (as was) and see
some of the places like Eisenach that have been difficult to get to thus
far.
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Best wishes,
David
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Eric Nagamine
Much easier to do the following, but you don't get the exercise:
Take the U2 underground from the Karlsplatz out to Schottenor and
transfer to the
number 38 tram. This will take you out to the cemetery where Mahler and
Alma are buried. It's a nice ride out to Grinzing. The cemetery is 3
stops after Oberdobling at A.D. lungen Lussen. You have to cross the
street and walk up the hill through a residential street. There are a
couple of flower shops along the way if you want to leave something at
the grave. If you speak german, you'll have an easier time finding the
grave as the caretaker doesn't speak english. As you pass the
caretaker's office, there is a map of the cemetery to the right. It
lists all of the famous Viennese who are buried there. If I remember
correctly, as you pass the caretaker's office you take a left and then a
right, then a left two or three rows down. Mahler's grave is a block of
stone with only his name on it. Alma's grave is a row earlier.
If you have time, the tram passes by Schubert's birthplace.
At one time the Austrian National Tourist website had a whole section
devoted to Mahler in Austria and had directions to the various locales.
I think the current International Gustav Mahler Society of Vienna also
has similar pages.
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Aloha and Mahalo,
Eric Nagamine