> ***Are there specific composers whose works are/were consistently and
> predominantly lugubrious?***
There are those (and I'm not one of them, no, no -- honest!) who would
put Sibelius at the very top of your list. This presumes you'd prefer
austere, pallid lugubriousness to the lush, wallowable kind.
-- Bruce Bennett <bben...@unixg.ubc.ca>
Ok, I'll bite. Not to feed a stereotyped image of the man as a composer,
but, I'll suggest Allan Pettersson.
A good somber piece for strings by a composer who wasn't always somber is
Stenhammar's string quartet no. 4.
The Pettersson I recommend most, though not for strings only, is symphony
no. 3- either the cpo or the BIS recording is fine IMHO.
Prokofiev's 1st string quartet ends with a truly saddening Andante in the
backwash of which the seemingly less somber first two movements are
completely reseen in one's mind...
-Eric Schissel
Three other works I recommend are by Prokofiev's friend Nicolai
Miaskovskii: his 2nd symphony (now on a Russian Revelation CD), his 1st
string quartet, and perhaps his 9th symphony (especially its first
movement).
(I have heard his 13th symphony and am not as convinced that it is quite
as somber as described, as others are. But it .does. fit the bill, so be
on the lookout for a CD.)
-Eric Schissel
Schumann - final movement of Fantasy in C
Tchaikovsky - final movement of symphony #6
Mahler - final movement of symphony #9
Beethoven - final movement of piano sonata #30, op. 109
Beethoven - 3rd movement from String Quartet op. 132 (does have happier moments)
Bach - Sarabande from piano partita #1
Bach - Chaconne from 2nd violin partita
Wagner - prelude to Tristan und Isolde
I consciously picked more well-known, "canonic" pieces. However, there is
a _lot_ of depressing music from the 20th century - Shostakovich, Bartok,
et. al. I figured these would be recommended in abundance already,
though. Let me put in a final recommendation for some of Shostakovich's
unbearably depressing string quartets which I rarely listen to since they
give me an incredible urge to commit hara-kiri.
Jon
Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
classical music.
I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
depressing.
I love STRINGS.
I could do without vocals.
Though I own and enjoy some Mozart, that's kind of the opposite of
what I am looking for. On a recommendation I bought Bartok - String
Quartets 1 & 5 which I like very much but I am not biased towards any
particular style or genre.
It seems tragedy is common in most classical music as *a passage* in a
piece.
***Are there specific composers whose works are/were consistently and
predominantly lugubrious?***
I've gleaned here that among composers I should consider are:
Shostakovich
Strauss
Mahler
Schumann
Recommendations on composers/works greatly appreciated.
J. T.
Most of Schnittke
Paart in a religious vein
Gorecki's Symphony of Sorrowful Songs
--
Don't boycott the Vienna Philharmonic . . . boycott K-Mart
. . oh, and be sure to eat at Wendy's at least once a week.
How about Rachmaninov's "Trios Elegiaques"? The Ravel Piano Trio?
Debussy's "Nuages"? Sibelius' "Swan of Tuonela"? Strauss' "Tod und
Verklaerung"? (I hate not having an umlaut). Too bad Mr. Tandom could
do without vocals, since Strauss' "Vier Letzte Lieder" would propbably
fill the bill admirably -- and, of course, Barber's Adagio for Strings.
In fact, just about any composition mentioned in the thread entitled
"Categorizing music as sad" (or something like that ) would do nicely.
(Personally, I thought most of those were merely melancholy, and not
truly, madly, deeply "sad." The only thing that makes me bawl
uncontrollably is Gorecki's 3rd. Maybe I have a high sob threshold.)
Repeating Michael's closing:
Happy (?) listening,
Con
>I'll get right to the point:
>Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
>classical music.
>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>depressing.
>I love STRINGS.
>I could do without vocals.
I'm not sure I would describe them exactly as "somber" but you might
try some of the following, which have at least some 'melancholic'
elements
Elgar: Sym No 1. and esp Cello Cnto
RV Williams: Syms3 & 5, Thomas Tallis Fantasia
Rubbra: Sym 4
Barber: Adagio for Strings
Albinoni: Adagio
Now if you want something downright dark, the Shostakovich Sym 8,
Mahler 6
--Mathew Lu
>I'll get right to the point:
>
>Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
>classical music.
>
>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>depressing.
>I love STRINGS.
>I could do without vocals.
>
>.......SNIP.........
>
>Recommendations on composers/works greatly appreciated.
>
>J. T.
Dear J.T.,
Try these Arvo Part's orchestral pieces:
FRATRES
TABULA RASA
CANTUS IN MEMORIAM OF BENJAMIN BRITTEN
I love these for the soothing, though melancholy mood they give.
Kari
>I'll get right to the point:
>
>Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
>classical music.
>
>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>depressing.
>I love STRINGS.
>I could do without vocals.
>
>Though I own and enjoy some Mozart, that's kind of the opposite of
>what I am looking for. On a recommendation I bought Bartok - String
>Quartets 1 & 5 which I like very much but I am not biased towards any
>particular style or genre.
>
>It seems tragedy is common in most classical music as *a passage* in a
>piece.
>***Are there specific composers whose works are/were consistently and
>predominantly lugubrious?***
>
>I've gleaned here that among composers I should consider are:
>
>Shostakovich
>Strauss
>Mahler
>Schumann
>
>Recommendations on composers/works greatly appreciated.
>
>J. T.
I think you should consider Prokofiev's Sonata No. 1 for Violin and
But some people's somber is other people's resigned calm.
: >I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
: >depressing. I love STRINGS. I could do without vocals.
: I'm not sure I would describe them exactly as "somber" but you might
: try some of the following, which have at least some 'melancholic'
: elements
: Elgar: Sym No 1. and esp Cello Cnto
: RV Williams: Syms3 & 5, Thomas Tallis Fantasia
: Rubbra: Sym 4
: Barber: Adagio for Strings
: Albinoni: Adagio
Other things that come to mind:
Sibelius: Valse Triste, Symphony #6
Faure: Pavane (I believe you can find the choirless version if you look
hard enough), Requiem
Schubert: String Quintet in C (esp. the slow movement), String Quartet #15
Brahms: Clarinet Quintet (actually, all of his late chamber music is
at least "autumnal" if not totally depressing)
Haydn: various "Sturm und Drang" symphonies (e.g. 44, 48)
Penderecki: Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima (which, IIRC, got its
name only after he finished it and realized how depressing it is)
Ravel: Pavane for a dead princess
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"I've lost my harmonica, Albert."
>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>depressing.
Pettersson: Symphony No. 7.
Bartok: _Bluebeard's Castle_
Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 2; Symphonies 6 & 8 (Symphony No. 14 is
supposed to be *really* depressing, but I haven't heard it.)
Berg: Violin Concerto; Wozzeck
Brahms: 4 Serious Songs
Schubert: Wintereisse (especially the Hotter/Moore recording)
Suk: Asrael
Sibelius: Symphony No. 4
Tchaikovsky: Piano Trio (performed by the Borodin Trio on Chandos...other
recordings aren't melancholy enough)
Symphony No. 6
Janacek: Katya Kabanova
Haydn: 7 Last Words of Christ on the Cross (more slow and stately than
depressing, really.)
Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde; Songs on the Death of Children
Mussorgsky: Songs and Dances of Death
Britten: Serenade for tenor, horn and strings
>I love STRINGS.
Someone mentioned _Variations on a Theme of Tallis_. And, of course,
there's Barber's _Adagio for Strings_. And Serenades by Tchaikovsky,
Dvorak, Suk and Elgar.
>I could do without vocals.
Oops. Well do give _Bluebeard_ a listen if you can.
>Though I own and enjoy some Mozart, that's kind of the opposite of
>what I am looking for. On a recommendation I bought Bartok - String
>Quartets 1 & 5 which I like very much but I am not biased towards any
>particular style or genre.
Try some Shostakovich quartets. Also quartets by Martinu and Janacek.
>It seems tragedy is common in most classical music as *a passage* in a
>piece.
>***Are there specific composers whose works are/were consistently and
>predominantly lugubrious?***
I'm stumped. Lugubriousness is not a quality I look for in music, so I
can't really think of one. Gorecki's Symphony No. 3 comes to mind. And a
lot of organ music. Maybe some of Rachmaninoff's orchestral music.
If you like things that are slow and comtemplative, try Morton Feldman's
Piano & String Quartet. Also some of Messiaen's piano and organ music.
Dave Cook
In article <3370415a...@news.exo.com>, .gbs...@hot.mail.com (J. Tandom) writes:
|> I'll get right to the point:
|>
|> Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
|> classical music.
|>
|> I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
|> depressing.
|> I love STRINGS.
|> I could do without vocals.
|>
|> Though I own and enjoy some Mozart, that's kind of the opposite of
|> what I am looking for. On a recommendation I bought Bartok - String
|> Quartets 1 & 5 which I like very much but I am not biased towards any
|> particular style or genre.
|>
|> It seems tragedy is common in most classical music as *a passage* in a
|> piece.
|> ***Are there specific composers whose works are/were consistently and
|> predominantly lugubrious?***
Noting that "consistent" and "predominant" will get you different lists,
both of composers and compositions.
|> I've gleaned here that among composers I should consider are:
|>
|> Shostakovich
|> Strauss
|> Mahler
|> Schumann
|>
|> Recommendations on composers/works greatly appreciated.
Shostakovich:
Symphonies 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 15. I'd add 13 and 14, but they are
strongly vocal.
Concertos: 1 and 2 for violin; 2 for cello. (1 for cello also, if
you'll consider a mix of anger with somber).
Chamber music: Most of the quartets, esp. 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 15. Piano
Quintet and Piano Trio No. 2. Violin and viola sonatas.
Film scores: Five Days and Five Nights; King Lear; Hamlet.
Schubert:
Late string quartets (13-15).
Bernstein:
Symphony No. 2 ("Age of Anxiety")
Messiaen:
Quartet for the End of Time
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2
--
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http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/ | anyway? It's just human lives, right?
http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/ | --Bruce Sterling
>
>Ok, I'll bite. Not to feed a stereotyped image of the man as a composer,
>but, I'll suggest Allan Pettersson.
Yes, unquestionably the World Somber Champion! This thread need go no
farther ;-) (except perhaps for a mention of the string quartet
version of Haydn's "7 Last Words").
Alan Cooper
The Gorecki 3rd Symphony. DEFINITELY, the Gorecki 3rd.
--
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{recommended, along with others was .....]
> Pettersson: Symphony No. 7.
Hear Hear!!
Pardon the pun, but any fan of somber music must give this one a try.
Check out the Dorati recording on Swedish Society (Tower has carried
it) or the Segerstam on BIS.
Duncan Mills
>
>The Gorecki 3rd Symphony. DEFINITELY, the Gorecki 3rd.
>
But Don, he said "somber," not "tedious" ;-)
Alan Cooper
Agreed - whenever I want to really get down and wallow in existential
despair, it's a Pettersson Symphony for me.
Another champion of gloom is Czech composer Miloslav Kabalec. Try his
5th or 8th Symphony.
also -
Mussoursky's Songs and Dances of Death
the Symphonies of Peter Mennin (especially the slow movements)
Nicholas Flagello's Concerto for String Orchestra (again, especially
the searing slow movement)
Penderecki's Requiem and Symphony No. 2 (in spite of its' cheerful
sounding nickname, "Christmas")
- CMC
>On Wed, 07 May 1997 08:48:37 GMT, J. Tandom <.gbs...@hot.mail.com>
wrote:
>
>>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>>depressing.
David replied with a list that included:
>Pettersson: Symphony No. 7
If you love "somber", this is the one for you. The most relentlessly
depressing piece of orchestral music I know. Try it, but you've been
warned!
J. Forman
>
>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>depressing.
>I love STRINGS.
>I could do without vocals.
>
>On a recommendation I bought Bartok - String
>Quartets 1 & 5 which I like very much but I am not biased towards any
>particular style or genre.
The last movement of the Bartok 2nd quartet is *very* austere, as
are some passages from the Divertimento for Strings.
>***Are there specific composers whose works are/were consistently and
>predominantly lugubrious?***
>
>I've gleaned here that among composers I should consider are:
>
>Shostakovich
Definitely lots to choose from there! The 4th and 8th symphonies
come to mind.
>Strauss
Not too clear on this one.
>Mahler
Mahler, while intense, is rarely somber or gloomy. He usually
finds a clear path through the darkness.
>Recommendations on composers/works greatly appreciated.
The symphonies of Allen Petersson may appeal to you. Another
possibility would be Rautavaara. And don't miss the Sibelius
4th symphony, or the tone poem 'Tapiola'. Very bracing stuff!
>J. T.
- Chloe
>I'll get right to the point:
>
>Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
>classical music.
>
>I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>depressing.
>I love STRINGS.
Tchaikovksi's Pathetique symphony.
M:PPD
You mentioned no fondness for choral music, but I would have a listen to
Victoria's Officium Defunctum (1605)...the Gabrieli Consort recording
with Paul McCreesh on Archiv is really stellar.
:J. Tandom wrote:
:>
:> I'll get right to the point:
:>
:> Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
:> classical music.
:>
:> I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
:> depressing.
:> I love STRINGS.
:> I could do without vocals.
you should hear the strauss "metamorphosen"--in fact you can get a
good version by barbirolli, coupled with his mahler sixth, which is
beyond somber into utterly tragic and terrifying...since you're into
this, may as well get all the way in...
>:J. Tandom wrote:
>:>
>:> I'll get right to the point:
>:>
>:> Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
>:> classical music.
>:>
>:> I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>:> depressing.
I am sorry if I am repeating other's suggestions. I am new tho this
particular thread.
Try the middle d minor movement of Mozart's piano concerto #23
The Offertorio of Verdi's Requim (i know that this is vocal but it is
the absolute saddest music I have ever heard)
Chopin's 2nd paino sonata with its famous funeral march is also very
sad
Mozart's Masonic Funeral Music is overwhelmingly sad as is his Ave
Verum Corpus motet. (I know also vocal but very sad just the same)
In fact there is much saddness underlying much of Mozarts music. It
is that deep soulfulness that makes it so lasting and meaningful for
so many people over so many generations.
Brunhilde's announcing of death to Siegmund in Die Walkurie is also
very sad.
Of course the adagio to Barber's string quartet (opus 11) is very
powerful and often usd in movies and TV shows
Almost everything by Mahler deals with death and transfiguration.
(that by the way is a brilliant tonepoem by Richard Strauss) Try his
Songs in the Death of Children, The 5th Symphony, Songs of a Warfarer
much else.
Tchaikovsky's sixth symphony is the prototype of the deeply felt
overwhelmingly sad symphony.
Max Bruch's Kol Nidre captures the deep sprituality of the Kol Nidre
service, the highest holyday in the Jewish calender. (please dont
argue with me over religion :))
Well I am running out of time. I think that you will like these
pieces. They are famous and there are very many excellent recordings
of all of them available.
James Chapman <k2d...@easyway.net> wrote in article
<342ab...@fiji.easyway.net>...
> Don Patterson <*nospam*@erols.com> wrote:
>
> :J. Tandom wrote:
> :>
> :> I'll get right to the point:
> :>
> :> Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
> :> classical music.
> :>
> :> I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
> :> depressing.
> :> I love STRINGS.
> :> I could do without vocals.
> you should hear the strauss "metamorphosen"--in fact you can get a
> good version by barbirolli, coupled with his mahler sixth, which is
> beyond somber into utterly tragic and terrifying...since you're into
> this, may as well get all the way in...
>
The Struass is an elecently choice...I would add Witold Lutoslawski's
Musique funebre (1958), and the string orchestral version of Schoenberg's
Verklaerte Nacht
(1899, rev. 1943) [the Schoenberg is not depressing throughout, but it is a
great piece]--
================================================
Wayne Jonas Bealer
"Because if it is art, it is not for all, and if it is for all, it is not
art."
--Arnold Schoenberg
==================================================
Try Beethoven's late quartets. They are abolutely sublime.
Some of the slow movements are as melancholic as music ever
gets.
Sibelius's 4th and Mahler's 9th symphony (I personally prefer
the 4th). Of course, there is always Gorecki's 3rd.
Eugene
Alan Petterson must be the most depressing composer in the history of
music. The man who gave Scandinavia a reputation for gloomy symphonies.
--
Roger Musson
r.mu...@bgs.ac.uk
Have you ever heard the Miaskovsy 21st Symphony? Or the Easley Blackwood
1st Symphony? Just two examples of many
somber symphonic works.
In article <342ab...@fiji.easyway.net>, k2d...@easyway.net (James Chapman) writes:
|> :J. Tandom wrote:
|> :>
|> :> I'll get right to the point:
|> :>
|> :> Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
|> :> classical music.
|> :>
|> :> I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
|> :> depressing.
|> :> I love STRINGS.
|> :> I could do without vocals.
Shostakovich. Steer clear of the ballets, jazz suites, most early
pieces. Almost anything else will do.
Specifically, all the concertos (though the piano concertos may be
a little too happy, except for the slow movements). Virtually all the
chamber music, except for the first piano trio and first quartet.
Symphonies 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 15.
Standouts: Any of the above symphonies and concertos.
Quartets 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, and 15. Piano trio no. 2. Violin and
viola sonatas.
Culling from *that* list: Symphonies 8 and 11. Quartets 8, 13, 15.
And absolutely the viola sonata, written and edited on his deathbed.
--
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-Eric Schissel
>Don Patterson <*nospam*@erols.com> wrote:
>
>:J. Tandom wrote:
>:>
>:> I'll get right to the point:
>:>
>:> Please excuse my ignorance in advance as I don't know much about
>:> classical music.
>:>
>:> I love SOMBER music. Anything melancholy, tragic or downright
>:> depressing.
>:> I love STRINGS.
>:> I could do without vocals.
>you should hear the strauss "metamorphosen"--in fact you can get a
>good version by barbirolli, coupled with his mahler sixth, which is
>beyond somber into utterly tragic and terrifying...since you're into
>this, may as well get all the way in...
Even better: Get the Strauss-Metamophorsen / Schoenberg-Pelleas et
Melisande coupling on EMI Matrix. Then get the Mahler 6 / Strauss-Ein
Heldenleben 2cd on EMI Forte!
Morten Vest Hansen, Frederiksberg, Denmark
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
: Try the middle d minor movement of Mozart's piano concerto #23
Wasn't it f# minor? I agree, though; it is beautiful and somber. A lot
of Chopin's music, also, would fit; the E minor prelude, or the F minor
ballade.
Larisa