Dragon classical music?
Sonarrat Citalis
of any kind? Any type of music is fine, but a piano piece would be fantastic.
I went through Music From Japan's entire Composer Database and found only one
draconic piece - "Ryu" for solo oboe - in the whole place, so I'm not getting my
hopes up.
-Sonarrat Citalis. (Email: remove the fish, replace the net)
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Massimo Nespolo
(http://www.hmv.co.jp/Product/Detail.asp?sku=244785) ?
Massimo Nespolo, Japan
"Sonarrat Citalis" <sona...@postmark.cod> wrote in message news:7pIG7.18412$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
tlste...@tpgi.com.au
<sona...@postmark.cod> wrote:
> Is there any classical music that includes as a title or explicit image
a dragon
> of any kind? Any type of music is fine, but a piano piece would be fantastic.
> I went through Music From Japan's entire Composer Database and found only one
> draconic piece - "Ryu" for solo oboe - in the whole place, so I'm not
getting my
> hopes up.
>
OK, you said "classical", so there goes "Puff the Magic etc." Would a
dragonfly do?
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dragon
>of any kind?
Not sure about dragon music, but I know where to find dragon milk ...
short-legged cows ;-)
<and then the drummer played "da-dum, crash!">
Steve Hehr
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---MIKE---
don't know if there is any connection with dragons or not but you asked
for titles.
-MIKE
Sonarrat Citalis
forehead:
>OK, you said "classical", so there goes "Puff the Magic etc." Would a
>dragonfly do?
Dragonflies are insects. I'm after reptiles.
Sonarrat Citalis
>What about Andrzej Panufnik's =
>(http://mac-texier.ircam.fr/textes/c00001644/) "Dragonflyer"
> (http://www.hmv.co.jp/Product/Detail.asp?sku=3D244785) ?
Sounds good, but the second link isn't working for me, and I'm not sure where to
look in regards to the first one.
Sonarrat Citalis
>Fafner, in "Siegfried"?
Fri, 09 Nov 2001, MIKE scratched into my forehead:
>In act 2 of Carmen, there is a selection entitled "Dragon d'Alcala!" I
>don't know if there is any connection with dragons or not but you
>asked for titles.
I should be able to find both of those works at the library, thanks for the
help. Anything in the piano realm while I'm in the neighborhood?
Jaakko Mäntyjärvi
>
> >In act 2 of Carmen, there is a selection entitled "Dragon d'Alcala!" I
> >don't know if there is any connection with dragons or not but you
> >asked for titles.
The reference in Carmen is to a 'dragoon' (spelled 'dragon' in French),
or mounted infantryman. Surprisingly, though, it is in fact the same
word as 'dragon'. The fire-breathing epithet was associated with early
firearms, and by extension with the soldiers who used them.
--
Regards,
Jaakko Mäntyjärvi
Helsinki, Finland
"Nil significat nisi oscillat. Du vap. Du vap. Du vap."
Roland Kayser
> Is there any classical music that includes as a title or explicit image a dragon
> of any kind? Any type of music is fine, but a piano piece would be fantastic.
> I went through Music From Japan's entire Composer Database and found only one
> draconic piece - "Ryu" for solo oboe - in the whole place, so I'm not getting my
> hopes up.
The first scene of the "Magic Flute": "Zu Hilfe, zu Hilfe, sonst bin ich verloren...".
And who knows what Debusy's "Little Shepard" is keeping. Maybe a flock
of baby dragons?
(
--
Roland Kayser
John Harrington
sona...@postmark.cod wrote on 11/9/01 11:56 PM:
> Fri, 09 Nov 2001, Steve Hehr scratched into my forehead:
>
>> Fafner, in "Siegfried"?
>
> Fri, 09 Nov 2001, MIKE scratched into my forehead:
>
>> In act 2 of Carmen, there is a selection entitled "Dragon d'Alcala!" I
>> don't know if there is any connection with dragons or not but you
>> asked for titles.
>
> I should be able to find both of those works at the library, thanks for the
> help. Anything in the piano realm while I'm in the neighborhood?
Mention of opera has reminded me of the opening of Die Zauberflöte, which
features a snake (ein Schlange) tormenting poor Tamino.
How is that helpful? Well, the monstrous "snake" is often interpreted in
productions of the opera as a dragon in the mode of Chinese paper dragons
(which never have wings). But, yeah, Siegfried is your best bet. The
"dragons" in Carmen are, in fact, dragoons.
I can't believe I can't think of other dragon music.... I assume you've
tried a web search of some kind, so I won't bother.
J
John Harrington
bear...@earthlink.net wrote on 11/10/01 5:38 AM:
Sorry, because I hadn't refreshed my article list, I didn't realize when I
posted this that two other people before had give the same info!
J
---MIKE---
of Handel's "Semele". I looked over the booklet that came with my
recording of Semele and couldn't find anything about a dragon in there.
I also recall seeing a tv show about a rehearsal of an opera where a
giant mechanical dragon "mis-fired" causing some injuries. I have been
racking my brains trying to remember more details of this but so far
have had no luck. If it comes back to me I will post the details.
-MIKE
Sonarrat Citalis
>I can't believe I can't think of other dragon music.... I assume you've
>tried a web search of some kind, so I won't bother.
I actually hadn't, I did one on SMP and although I had to dig deep, I came up
with this:
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=HL.50481571
Joaquin Turina's 86 Piano Solos, including "Las Cuevas del Dragon" or "The Lairs
of the Dragon."
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=FJ.AD3005
Nancy Faber, "Chinese Dragons," piano solo.
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=PR.524058880
Swift J, "Domesticated Dragons," flute/piano.
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=MY.790
A. Damarest, "Dragon at Midnight," piano solo.
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=PR.510803320
And - AHA! "Dragonette" by Offenbach. I knew someone famous had to have given
his take on dragonkind.
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=PR.524058620
Swift J, "Dragons at Large" for clarinet/piano.
=
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=HI.HMB143A
"Reluctant Dragon" by John Rutter.
=
Not a bad selection.
Peter T. Daniels
> http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=PR.524058620
>
> Swift J, "Dragons at Large" for clarinet/piano.
Jonathan Swift was dead before the clarinet was invented.
Margaret?
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Jaakko Mäntyjärvi wrote:
>
> > Fri, 09 Nov 2001, MIKE scratched into my forehead:
> >
> > >In act 2 of Carmen, there is a selection entitled "Dragon d'Alcala!" I
> > >don't know if there is any connection with dragons or not but you
> > >asked for titles.
>
> The reference in Carmen is to a 'dragoon' (spelled 'dragon' in French),
> or mounted infantryman. Surprisingly, though, it is in fact the same
> word as 'dragon'. The fire-breathing epithet was associated with early
> firearms, and by extension with the soldiers who used them.
Goodness, the interesting facts we pick up on newsgroups,
more or less "in passing"! (So many words we use without
thinking have equally unrelated beginnings.)
Sonarrat Citalis
>> > >In act 2 of Carmen, there is a selection entitled "Dragon d'Alcala!" I
>> > >don't know if there is any connection with dragons or not but you
>> > >asked for titles.
>> The reference in Carmen is to a 'dragoon' (spelled 'dragon' in French),
>> or mounted infantryman. Surprisingly, though, it is in fact the same
>> word as 'dragon'. The fire-breathing epithet was associated with early
>> firearms, and by extension with the soldiers who used them.
>Goodness, the interesting facts we pick up on newsgroups,
>more or less "in passing"! (So many words we use without
>thinking have equally unrelated beginnings.)
Yeah. But this particular term, which I am familiar with, has also been misused
by a couple of video games. "Legend of Dragoon" for PlayStation involves a trio
of humans who don dragon-like armor; "Chrono Cross" for the same system has
dragoons in the correct form, mounted infantrymen - except that they ride
dragons instead of horses. Ah, well.
Larry Rinkel
Gilbert and Sullivan's "Patience":
COLONEL If you want a receipt for that popular mystery,
Known to the world as a Heavy Dragoon,
DRAGOONS [saluting] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
COLONEL Take all the remarkable people in history,
Rattle them off to a popular tune.
DRAGOONS Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
COLONEL The pluck of Lord Nelson on board of the Victory--
Genius of Bismarck devising a plan--
The humour of Fielding (which sounds contradictory)--
Coolness of Paget about to trepan--
The science of Jullien, the eminent musico--
Wit of Macaulay, who wrote of Queen Anne--
The pathos of Paddy, as rendered by Boucicault--
Style of the Bishop of Sodor and Man--
The dash of a D'Orsay, divested of quackery--
Narrative powers of Dickens and Thackeray--
Victor Emmanuel -- peak-haunting Peveril--
Thomas Aquinas, and Doctor Sacheverell--
Tupper and Tennyson -- Daniel Defoe--
Anthony Trollope and Mister Guizot! Ah!
DRAGOONS Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
COLONEL WITH CHORUS
Take of these elements all that is fusible
Melt them all down in a pipkin or crucible--
Set them to simmer, and take off the scum,
And a Heavy Dragoon Is the residuum!
COLONEL If you want a receipt for this soldier-like paragon,
Get at the wealth of the Czar (if you can)--
The family pride of a Spaniard from Aragon--
Force of Mephisto pronouncing a ban--
A smack of Lord Waterford, reckless and rollicky--
Swagger of Roderick, heading his clan--
The keen penetration of Paddington Pollaky--
Grace of an Odalisque on a divan--
The genius strategic of Caesar or Hannibal--
Skill of Sir Garnet in thrashing a cannibal--
Flavour of Hamlet -- the Stranger, a touch of him--
Little of Manfred (but not very much of him)--
Beadle of Burlington -- Richardson's show--
Mister Micawber and Madame Tussaud! Ah!
DRAGOONS Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
COLONEL WITH CHORUS
Take of these elements all that is fusible
Melt them all down in a pipkin or crucible--
Set them to simmer, and take off the scum,
And a Heavy Dragoon Is the residuum!
"Sonarrat Citalis" <sona...@postmark.cod> wrote in message
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Kalman Rubinson
Carmen Dragon!
Kal
John Wiser
tlste...@tpgi.com.au [who] scratched into [his] forehead:
>
> >OK, you said "classical", so there goes "Puff the Magic etc." Would a
> >dragonfly do?
>
> Dragonflies are insects. I'm after reptiles.
What makes you think dragons are reptiles,
or that they belong, or ought to belong,
to any actual class of living organism?
Stay alert, laddie! Make careful distinctions
between myth and reality, or you might
turn into a Republican.
That observed, here's one for you:
Zoltán Kodály: Ballet Music [Dragon Dance, Sarkanitanc]
from the opera Hary Janos, the episode in which
the hero relates his single-handed slaying of a seven-
headed dragon. Not in the well-known suite. Surely available
somewhere in a two-hand piano reduction?
--
John Wiser
cee...@frontiernet.net
Massimo Nespolo
> >(http://mac-texier.ircam.fr/textes/c00001644/) "Dragonflyer"
> > (http://www.hmv.co.jp/Product/Detail.asp?sku=3D244785) ?
>
> Sounds good, but the second link isn't working for me, and I'm not sure where to
> look in regards to the first one.
>
> -Sonarrat Citalis. (Email: remove the fish, replace the net)
When I posted, it was working. Now it says "sold out", in Japanese. Sorry!
Massimo
Kalman Rubinson
Music for bassoon and piano by Hurlstone, Elgar, Jacob,
Gounod, Ibert, Pierne, Senaille, Saint-Saens.
Kal
Peter
"Siegfried."
The music in this opera very audibly describes how the dragon "Fafner" comes out of his
cave, and then the slaying of him by Siegfried. Incidentally "Fafner" is a talking, or
better said, singing dragon.
Peter T. Daniels
It does??
You think someone hearing the music, who hadn't seen the opera and
didn't know the story, would imagine dragon-slaying???
Sonarrat Citalis
>> >OK, you said "classical", so there goes "Puff the Magic etc." Would a
>> >dragonfly do?
>> Dragonflies are insects. I'm after reptiles.
>What makes you think dragons are reptiles,
>or that they belong, or ought to belong,
>to any actual class of living organism?
They're closest to dinosaurs. It's now thought that many dragon myths arose
when dinosaur bones were found, washed up every once in a blue moon by a natural
occurrence. Dinosaurs have been proven to be warm blooded, thanks to a fossil
of a heart. So maybe you're right, and dragons are in a different class than
today's reptiles, as dinosaurs were.
>Stay alert, laddie! Make careful distinctions
>between myth and reality, or you might
>turn into a Republican.
I am a (moderate) Republican.
Sonarrat Citalis
>
>Or anything from the Hollywood Bowl Orchestra when conducted by....
> Carmen Dragon!
If you want to go that route, I myself have seen a double-bass concerto by one
Dragonetti.
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Ah, what "Dreamworks" could do with that, when they do the
designs for L.A. Opera's planned "Ring"! (But of course
they won't - it will probably be "Wagner in Outer Space" or
something, instead.)
Henry Glenworthy
> It does??
>>>>
Bet they wouldn't imagine an Afternoon of a Fawn.
====================================
Peter T. Daniels
Ever seen the classic short film "Bambi Meets Godzilla"?
Sonarrat Citalis
I have. How about Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid?"
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:32:06 GMT, Peter T. Daniels scratched into my forehead:
>
> >Henry Glenworthy wrote:
> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> > Peter wrote:
> >> > > Perhaps the most compelling "dragon" music of all time is
> >> > > in Richard Wagner's opera "Siegfried."
> >> > > The music in this opera very audibly describes how the dragon
> >> > > "Fafner" comes out of his cave, and then the slaying of him by
> >> > > Siegfried. Incidentally "Fafner" is a talking, or better said,
> >> > > singing dragon.
> >> > It does??
> >> > You think someone hearing the music, who hadn't seen the opera
> >> > and didn't know the story, would imagine dragon-slaying???
> >> Bet they wouldn't imagine an Afternoon of a Fawn.
> >Ever seen the classic short film "Bambi Meets Godzilla"?
>
> I have. How about Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid?"
Nope.
Sonarrat Citalis
He usually does parodies of specific songs, but this one was an original that
parodied the band Devo in general. But you could still tell exactly what it was
supposed to be.
Myron Stackpool
An afternoon of a fawn is *precicely* what the quiet part of the William Tell
Overture conjures up. . . .
The Head of the family, so to speak.
Larry Rinkel
"dragon." I came up with 66 titles, including:
Bel and the Dragon (by Gardner)
The Debonair Dragon (by Edmundson)
Dragon at Midnight (by Demarest)
Dragon Blues (by Keezer)
Dragon Tale (by Carter, described as "a truly monstrous musical," the truth
of which I have no doubt)
Golden Dragon Overture (by Barker. "Bring a touch of the Orient to your next
concert!")
Green Eyed Dragon (by W. Charles - which reminds me, as long as we're being
Shakespearean, no one thought of "Beware the green-eyed monster" from
Otello)
Knight and the Dragon (by Snyder)
The Reluctant Dragon (by Rutter) (understandably so)
Serenade of the Seven Headed Dragon (by Ranki)
Space Dragon of Galatar (by Paynter)
Thundering Dragon (by Various, I guess no one was willing to claim sole
authorship)
Year of the Dragon (by Sparke)
There you go! And we haven't even started in on dragon dances at Chinese New
Year's. Masterpieces all, no doubt, and enough for at least two or three
full concert programs!!
"Sonarrat Citalis" <sona...@postmark.cod> wrote in message
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Myron Stackpool
>>> >OK, you said "classical", so there goes "Puff the Magic etc." Would a
>>> >dragonfly do?
>>> Dragonflies are insects. I'm after reptiles.
>>What makes you think dragons are reptiles,
>>or that they belong, or ought to belong,
>>to any actual class of living organism?
>
>They're closest to dinosaurs. It's now thought that many dragon myths arose
>when dinosaur bones were found, washed up every once in a blue moon by a natural
>occurrence. Dinosaurs have been proven to be warm blooded, thanks to a fossil
>of a heart. So maybe you're right, and dragons are in a different class than
>today's reptiles, as dinosaurs were.
Chinese dragons are a compound of several animals: a snake's body, eagle's feet,
camel's head, tiger's teeth--or something along those lines. I think that the
dinosaur bones which have been found occasionally by Chinese peasants over the
millenia, are regarded as dragon bones and ground up for use in some tonic or
other.
Garth Wallace
>
> Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:49:40 GMT, Peter T. Daniels scratched into my forehead:
> >
> >Sonarrat Citalis wrote:
> >>
> >> Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:32:06 GMT, Peter T. Daniels scratched into my forehead:
> >>
> >> >Henry Glenworthy wrote:
> >> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> >> > Peter wrote:
> >> >> > > Perhaps the most compelling "dragon" music of all time is
> >> >> > > in Richard Wagner's opera "Siegfried."
> >> >> > > The music in this opera very audibly describes how the dragon
> >> >> > > "Fafner" comes out of his cave, and then the slaying of him by
> >> >> > > Siegfried. Incidentally "Fafner" is a talking, or better said,
> >> >> > > singing dragon.
> >> >> > It does??
> >> >> > You think someone hearing the music, who hadn't seen the opera
> >> >> > and didn't know the story, would imagine dragon-slaying???
> >> >> Bet they wouldn't imagine an Afternoon of a Fawn.
> >> >Ever seen the classic short film "Bambi Meets Godzilla"?
> >> I have. How about Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid?"
> >Nope.
>
> He usually does parodies of specific songs, but this one was an original that
> parodied the band Devo in general. But you could still tell exactly what it was
> supposed to be.
Actually, the song is specifically a parody
of Devo's "World of Confusion"
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:49:40 GMT, Peter T. Daniels scratched into my forehead:
> >
> >Sonarrat Citalis wrote:
> >>
> >> Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:32:06 GMT, Peter T. Daniels scratched into my forehead:
> >>
> >> >Henry Glenworthy wrote:
> >> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> >> > Peter wrote:
> >> >> > > Perhaps the most compelling "dragon" music of all time is
> >> >> > > in Richard Wagner's opera "Siegfried."
> >> >> > > The music in this opera very audibly describes how the dragon
> >> >> > > "Fafner" comes out of his cave, and then the slaying of him by
> >> >> > > Siegfried. Incidentally "Fafner" is a talking, or better said,
> >> >> > > singing dragon.
> >> >> > It does??
> >> >> > You think someone hearing the music, who hadn't seen the opera
> >> >> > and didn't know the story, would imagine dragon-slaying???
> >> >> Bet they wouldn't imagine an Afternoon of a Fawn.
> >> >Ever seen the classic short film "Bambi Meets Godzilla"?
> >> I have. How about Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid?"
> >Nope.
>
> He usually does parodies of specific songs, but this one was an original that
> parodied the band Devo in general. But you could still tell exactly what it was
> supposed to be.
*I* certainly couldn't have!
John Harrington
gram...@worldnet.att.net wrote on 11/13/01 5:32 AM:
Now, OTOH, had it been by Billy Joel....
J
Tim Horwood
on several islands including Komodo in Indonesia. I believe it's the largest
lizard still living weighing in at about 300lbs and 10 feet long. It's a
predator and is thought to eat the occassional human. Another thing to lie
awake at night and worry about.
Apparently Lully wrote an opera Cadmus et Hermione (1673) where Cadmus kills
a dragon.
Also there is Johan Friedrich Lampe's operas The Dragon of Wantley (1757)
and Margery or A Worse Plague than the Dragon (1738).
Tim Horwood
John Wiser wrote in message <01c16b19$a2287780$4ab482d1@candacew>...
Peter T. Daniels
Well, if it was a guy sitting at a piano, maybe.
Eventually I figured out he must have been the first act I saw during
the "Concert for NY" that was on 6 networks back in September.
Margaret Mikulska
sort of a very simple English equivalent of Singspiel - something like
the Beggar's Opera. I saw a very nice performance of this work at the
Royal Opera House at Covent Garden (the small scene) last yeaer. Most
entertaining, a plain, good, simple fun. And very well performed.
-Margaret
Tim Horwood wrote:
>
> Also there is Johan Friedrich Lampe's opera[s] The Dragon of Wantley (1757) [...]
Sonarrat Citalis
>The Komodo dragon is a monitor (lizard). It's a protected species and lives
>on several islands including Komodo in Indonesia. I believe it's the largest
>lizard still living weighing in at about 300lbs and 10 feet long. It's a
>predator and is thought to eat the occassional human. Another thing to lie
>awake at night and worry about.
I have seen about a dozen shows about this species. It kills its prey by biting
it, then patiently waiting several days for the bacteria-infested wound to kill
the animal.
>Apparently Lully wrote an opera Cadmus et Hermione (1673) where Cadmus kills
>a dragon.
>Also there is Johan Friedrich Lampe's operas The Dragon of Wantley (1757)
I read the story of the Wantley Dragon in a book, "Dragons: A Natural History"
by Dr. Karl Shuker. It could have been written by a twelve year old. The
knight More was asked to get rid of it; he agreed to do it as long as he had a
fair-skinned, dark-haired damsel to oil him the evening before and dress him
that morning. Finally finding him at a local well, he snuck up to the dragon
and struck him on the jaw. The dragon, surprised by the sudden attack, promply
shit himself. (I am not making this up.) They engaged in battle at once, but
the dragon's armor was impregnable. He had been informed by the villagers that
the dragon had one vulnerable spot. Guess what it was. So More grasped the
dragon and hauled it around until he was facing its rear end, then kicked it
with all his might. The dragon leaped into the air, turning six times before
tumbling to the ground. It spent a few more moments in agony until, with a
final defecation, the dragon expired.
That is an insult to dragons everywhere...
Sonarrat Citalis
You're kidding me. I never knew there was an original!
Tim Horwood
Sonarrat Citalis wrote in message
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The dragon leaped into the air, turning six times before
>tumbling to the ground. It spent a few more moments in agony until, with a
>final defecation, the dragon expired.
>
>That is an insult to dragons everywhere...
It certainly is. There is the myth of St George and the Dragon. Elgar wrote
The Banner of St George which I believe includes the killing of the dragon.
I daresay it has a more dignified death.
Tim Horwood
Sonarrat Citalis
>Sonarrat Citalis wrote in message
>>The dragon leaped into the air, turning six times before
>>tumbling to the ground. It spent a few more moments in agony until, with a
>>final defecation, the dragon expired.
>>
>>That is an insult to dragons everywhere...
>It certainly is. There is the myth of St George and the Dragon. Elgar wrote
>The Banner of St George which I believe includes the killing of the dragon.
>I daresay it has a more dignified death.
I'd rather dragons not meet death at all, but failing that, the most dignified
dragon-death award goes to the movie Dragonheart. It's one of the few things on
this little orb that can make me cry.