Choral Work used Holst Jupiter theme?

raj...@starmail.com

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Jun 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/23/98

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Just curious. I have heard a choral work that uses the famous theme in
Holst's second theme in Jupiter (from "Planets"). What is it? The origin of
the theme is a folk song, but he also set it for voices.

Rajeev Aloysius
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Christopher Sansone

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Jun 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/23/98

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Rajeev,

I believe the work is titled "I Vow to Thee, My Country," and it's now a
secondary English national anthem, much like "America the Beautiful" is for
the US. I don't think I've ever heard the piece, but it sure is a beautiful
theme!

Christopher Sansone

Graham Abbott

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98

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As far as I'm aware, the melody as it appears in Jupiter of "The
Planets" is the "original" occurrence. The tune was later adapted
(with an awkward octave transposition in order to make it
singable) into the hymn "I Vow to thee my Country", but I'm not
sure if this was done by Holst or not. It would have needed his
permission at the very least, I assume. The melody in its place
in "The Planets" has therefore no overt patriotic sentiment,
which is hard to put aside if you've grown up with the hymn (or
overdosed on the film "Another Country", where it's sung near the
beginning).

Similarly, the big melody in the first "Pomp and Circumstance"
March of Elgar had the words "Land of Hope and Glory" added
sometime after its orchestral version appeared.

Graham Abbott
Melbourne, Australia

Colin Rosenthal

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98

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On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:28:08 -0500,
Christopher Sansone <ChrisS...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> I believe the work is titled "I Vow to Thee, My Country," and it's now a
>secondary English national anthem, much like "America the Beautiful" is for
>the US.

It came to world attention after it was used at Princess Diana's funeral.

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Tony Duggan

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98

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Colin Rosenthal wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:28:08 -0500,
> Christopher Sansone <ChrisS...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe the work is titled "I Vow to Thee, My Country," and it's now a
> >secondary English national anthem, much like "America the Beautiful" is for
> >the US.
>
> It came to world attention after it was used at Princess Diana's funeral.

And at her wedding. Sad.

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Tony Duggan (Staffordshire, UK)
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raj...@starmail.com

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Jun 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/27/98

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In article <3590E562...@enternet.com.au>,

g...@enternet.com.au wrote:
>
> As far as I'm aware, the melody as it appears in Jupiter of "The
> Planets" is the "original" occurrence. The tune was later adapted
> (with an awkward octave transposition in order to make it
> singable) into the hymn "I Vow to thee my Country", but I'm not
> sure if this was done by Holst or not. It would have needed his
> permission at the very least, I assume. The melody in its place
> in "The Planets" has therefore no overt patriotic sentiment,
> which is hard to put aside if you've grown up with the hymn (or
> overdosed on the film "Another Country", where it's sung near the
> beginning).

Thank you

> Similarly, the big melody in the first "Pomp and Circumstance"
> March of Elgar had the words "Land of Hope and Glory" added
> sometime after its orchestral version appeared.

No, it was used in the choral work, op. 92, which had the words "Land of Hope
and Glory' in the libretto. What we hear at the proms is just an excerpt from
this work (adapted)

Rajeev

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Deryk Barker

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Jul 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/2/98

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raj...@starmail.com wrote:
: In article <3590E562...@enternet.com.au>,

: g...@enternet.com.au wrote:
: >
: > As far as I'm aware, the melody as it appears in Jupiter of "The
: > Planets" is the "original" occurrence. The tune was later adapted
: > (with an awkward octave transposition in order to make it
: > singable) into the hymn "I Vow to thee my Country", but I'm not
: > sure if this was done by Holst or not. It would have needed his
: > permission at the very least, I assume. The melody in its place
: > in "The Planets" has therefore no overt patriotic sentiment,
: > which is hard to put aside if you've grown up with the hymn (or
: > overdosed on the film "Another Country", where it's sung near the
: > beginning).
: Thank you
: > Similarly, the big melody in the first "Pomp and Circumstance"
: > March of Elgar had the words "Land of Hope and Glory" added
: > sometime after its orchestral version appeared.
:
: No, it was used in the choral work, op. 92, which had the words "Land of Hope
: and Glory' in the libretto. What we hear at the proms is just an excerpt from
: this work (adapted)

The work being the Coronation Ode.

But what we hear at the proms is the original P&C No.1 March with the
words from the ode - written by A.C. Bensopn, brother of E.F. - sung
by the audience.