Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
Beethoven: Leonora Overture
Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
Wagner)
Mahler 1- trumpets
dgb
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There are three I can name offhand: Mahler's 1st, 2nd (which has a whole
slew of offstage instruments) and 3rd symphonies.
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There's an aria in the Christmas Oratorio by Bach that has an alto and (I think) and oboe
off stage for echo effects.
>> Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
>> instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
I believe Corigliano's Symphony No. 1 has a part for an offstage piano.
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|> > Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
|> > instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
|> >
|> > Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
|> > Beethoven: Leonora Overture
|> > Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
|> > Wagner)
|>
|> Mahler 1- trumpets
|>
|> dgb
|>
Mahler 2, 3 (posthorn?), 8. Walton - Belshazarr's Feast
Britten: War Requiem (children's chorus), etc, etc.
I would be more interested to know of pieces that used non-brass or non-choral
offstage forces.
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: Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
: instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
: Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
: Beethoven: Leonora Overture
: Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
: Wagner)
Shoot, there's lots. Mahler's 2nd has offstage horns, trumpets, and
percussion. I think the posthorn in Mahler 3 is offstage. The trumpets
that announce the war scene in R. Stauss' Heldenleben are offstage.
Haydn's "Abschied" symphony in f# minor has each instrument gradually
leave the stage (!), though they don't play offstage. The trumpets in
Fidelio, playing the same call as in Leonore, are also offstage. There
are Stierhorner (stierhorns) offstage in Wagner's Gotterdammerung, the
Siegfried call in Siegfried, which returns in the prelude to
Gotterdammerung, not to mention that wierd horn (Solti uses an alphorn)
used before Hagen fights Siegmund in Walkure, the "tuned anvils" in
Rheingold.
That's all i can think of. Anyone else care to add?
Daniel D.
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I didn't see your original post, so I don't know which three you ahve
in mind. I can think of three also:
Mahler Symphony No 2
Mahler Symphony No.3
Beethoven, Leonore Overture No. 3
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During a performance of a Boulez piano sonata (I think it was Boulez) at a
Prom many years ago, the many long fermatas were "decorated" by the brass
warming up for Berlioz in the orchestra den backstage. The Times reviewer
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The Hummel Sereneade No. 2, Op. 66 for bassoon, clarinet, guitar, violin and piano
has one section when all the musicians, except the pianist, play off stage.In the
next number, they play a slow march in pianissimo>crescendo while marching back to
their seats, arriveng there at the FFF. Fun to watch.
Matanya Ophee
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Come to think of it, the boy soprano sings from offstage until the
final measures of the piece.
Mahler: 2nd Symphony
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
Kevin
On Wed, 3 May 1995, Kevin Powell u wrote:
> Vernon Edwards (p...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> :
> : Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
> : instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
> :
I know that Ives's 4th uses "distant" instruments, but I can't recall if
they are offstage or not. What about the solo trumpets in Adams's Tromba
Lontana? Are they offstage? Corigliano's Clarinet Concerto calls for
various instruments (brass only?) playing from behind the back and side
doors of the hall.
Regards,
Mike
Berlioz uses an off-stage oboe in the Symphonie Fantastique.
And in Ives' "The Unanswered Question", the whole string section is
offstage- at least the one time I actually saw it played.
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
There is one movement of "The Planets" by Gustav Holst, with a women's choir
offstage. Another piece I've been fortunate enough to perform publicly. I
think it's "Jupiter." Someone's already mentioned the Britten "War Requiem."
Okay, I've shared enough.
Lisalan
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Dean.
There's nothing offstage in Belshazzar or the Mahler 2/8, unless you mean
the added brass bands. But to me offstage means outside the auditorium, in
a separate space, and remote-sounding. Added bands are often placed
somewhere other than the main stage, but are still well in the forefront
(you may as well include the Berlioz Requiem in this list).
OTOH, the fanfares in the early measures of Mahler 1 are usually played in
a separate room, but that does create a stage management problem; the
players are needed onstage later!
> Britten: War Requiem (children's chorus), etc, etc.
A tricky case: there are three layers of music, and the boys and organ's
"sound should be distant", but it's still not the "behind a half-closed
door" sound.
I think the solo trumpet in Pines of Rome, and the piano in Corigliano's
symphony, qualify. So does the Leonora trumpet. Then there's the chorus
in Planets and the solo soprano in RVW's Sinfonia Antarctica.
: |> > Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
: |> > instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
: |> >
: |> > Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
: |> > Beethoven: Leonora Overture
: |> > Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
: |> > Wagner)
: |> Mahler 1- trumpets
: Mahler 2, 3 (posthorn?), 8. Walton - Belshazarr's Feast
: Britten: War Requiem (children's chorus), etc, etc.
: I would be more interested to know of pieces that used non-brass or
non-choral : offstage forces.
Leevi Madetoja : Symphony No.2
- 2nd movement has an offstage oboe with horn
In addition, Aulis Sallinen's Sunrise Serenade has an offstage trumpet
Leon
Verdi: Requiem (trumpets in the balcony)
Berlioz: Romeo and Juliet (off-stage orchestra)
Verdi: La Traviata (the details are fuzzy, but I believe there is a
tenor/soprano duet in which the tenor is off-stage).
andrew
> Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
> Beethoven: Leonora Overture
> Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
> Wagner)
Ralph Vaughan Williams's Fantasy on a Theme of Thomas Tallis is scored
for three bodies of strings, one of which is a significantly distanced
(and sometimes offstage) second group. PDQ Bach has an echo sonata
with a second group of instruments sitting somewhere in the audience.
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brass players in the hall:
Verdi: Requiem
Berlioz: Requiem
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Mahler Symphony #1, 1st movement - offstage trumpet fanfares
Corigliano, Symphony #1, 1st and 4th movements - offstage piano
Mahler Symphony #8, ends of 1st and 2nd movements - offstage brass choir
Ives - The Unanswered Question - offstage strings (although performances
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In either Vaughan-Williams' 3rd or 5th, there's an offstage soprano.
The Verdi Requiem has a few offstage trumpets.
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I heard a spectacular performance of this by Kurt Masur/NYPO last season. He
put the offstage trumpet in the back, with one of the fourth tier rear doors
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> >In article <3o3mhn$2...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, p...@ix.netcom.com (Vernon
> >Edwards) wrote:
>
> >> Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
> >> instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
>
>
> I believe Corigliano's Symphony No. 1 has a part for an offstage piano.
>
q.v. Schnittke's Concerto Grosso No. 5 for Violin, Invisible [=offstage]
Piano and Orchestra. Composed for the centenary of Carnegie Hall,
premiered there in 1991 with Gidon Kremer, Christoph von Dohnanyi, and
the Cleveland Orchestra.
In Mahler's 6th, there is a very interesting contrast between the cow-bells
played in the orchestra in the slow movement, and those played off-stage in
the other movements.
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Isn't the Duke offstage in the final scene of Rigoletto (when Rigoletto hears
the Duke singing and realizes a terrible mistake has been made)?
> p...@ix.netcom.com (Vernon Edwards) writes:
> > Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
> >instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
>
Lt. Keji Suite- off-stage trumpet (Prokofiefe)
Aida- off-stage banda (Verdi)
Pines of Rome- off-stage trumpet (Respigi)
Carmen- Children's march- 2nd trumpet- off stage
- Finale- off stage banda
Someone included the Berloiz Symphony Fantastique in this list. I've done
this piece several times and do not recall an off-stage part. The brass
theme in mvt4 could be done off-stage, but the parts do not call for it.
: Respighi Pines of Rome
: Mozart Don Giovanni (In most modern productions, played from the pit,
: though)
In the Verdi REquiem, the Tuba Mirum has some echoing trumpets near
the rear of the auditorium.
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In article <D80BG...@info.uucp>, powe...@mach1.wlu.ca (Kevin Powell u)
wrote:
> Vernon Edwards (p...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> :
> : Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
> : instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
> :
> : Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
> : Beethoven: Leonora Overture
> : Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
> : Wagner)
>
>
> Mahler: 2nd Symphony
> Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
You,re wrong about the Symphonie Fantastique>.
Nielsen's Symphony #2 ("Espansiva") has a tenor and soprano voice singing
offstage in at least the second movement.
William H. Pittman
> In article <3o3mhn$2...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, p...@ix.netcom.com says...
> >
> > Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
> >instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
>
> Mahler Symphony #1, 1st movement - offstage trumpet fanfares
> Corigliano, Symphony #1, 1st and 4th movements - offstage piano
> Mahler Symphony #8, ends of 1st and 2nd movements - offstage brass choir
> Ives - The Unanswered Question - offstage strings (although performances
> differ on how exactly this is accomplished)
This post makes me wonder, do you mean "offstage" = specifically
backastage, or do you accept brass choirs in the balcony, etc.?
--DwightG
At the start of the third movement, Sce`ne aux Champs, the 1st oboe plays
"derrie`re la sce`ne" (behind the stage) for the first 20 bars, and then is
told to return to the orchestra. The musical dialogue with the cor anglais
is to give the effect of shepherd's pipes echoing through a valley.
Obviously, certain orchestral stage setups do not permit the easy entry and
exit of a wind principal, but certainly Berlioz asked for this effect.
Ives - The Unanswered Question (with a whole string section off stage!)
Walton - Balshazzar's Feast (a couple of brass bands off stage)
David
If I have to restrict myself to the first case only, I would mention:
Respighi: Church Windows - II (trumpet)
Nielsen: Symphony Nr.5 - end of I mvt. (I'm not sure of this, but the sound
of the side drum under the solo clarinet sounds very distant)
Berlioz: Les Troyens - Royal Hunt and Storm (brasses, a really striking
effect)
Benstein: Symph. Nr.2 - end of the Masque (pianino, echoing the preceding
solo of the piano)
Grieg: Peer Gynt - Boyg Scene (organ, bells and choir)
Strauss: Frau ohne Schatten (brasses at the end of the Act II; choir in the
petrification scene in the 3rd Act; Barak and his wife at the
beginning of the Act III)
Mahler: Symph. Nr.3 - I (side drum, at the end of the development)
Symph. Nr.6 - I & IV (bells and cowbells)
Schonberg: Moses und Aron (several instruments, out-stage, above the stage;
voices within the orchestra and off-stage... the spatial factor plays
a fundamental role in this work)
Strauss: Salome (Johanaan's firs notes)
Prokofiev: Romeo and Juliet (in two episodes there is a brass band behind
the scenes)
Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe' - beginning of the Part II (choir, horns & trumpets)
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>Nielsen's Symphony #2 ("Espansiva") has a tenor and soprano voice singing
>offstage in at least the second movement.
Methinks that is Symphony #3...
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About Corigliano's Symphony no.1, I think the piano is backstageonly during
the first movement. I may be wrong though ...
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> The Planets by Gustav Holst uses a hidden choir.
>
The choir isn't always hidden.
Also, the choir isn't always *there*. Many years ago I played in an
orchestra in a hall which was too small to hold the orchestra *and* a
choir. The choir part was pre-recorded, and the sections cut together
with leader tape. I ran the tape recorder. I would cue up the tape
section, play it on cue 'til it got to the next leader, cue up the next
section, and wai 'til the next cue.
Actually, it worked out rather well...
--DwightG
Speaking of offstage solos, the orchestra I play in did Lt. Kije in a
concert last week. The offstage trumpet was apparently not soft enough
for the conductor, no matter where the guy stood. Finally he made the
trumpet player go downstairs, into the dressing rooms, and shut the
door! Amazingly the guy came in correctly each time--there must have
been a friend giving him cues!
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: Nielsen's Symphony #2 ("Espansiva") has a tenor and soprano voice singing
: offstage in at least the second movement.
: William H. Pittman
In the final mvt. of The Planets, by Gustav Holst, the female chorus is
supposed to be offstage in a room, and as the voices are dying away the
door to that room is to be slowly shut so it is completely closed at the
end of the piece. Pretty neat idea I think!
GWS
Not quite classical, but I saw a performance of The
Theme from "Close Encounters" where flutists were
positioned all around the audience and all played
parts echoing the lead flutist...
It was somewhat spooky and had a very nice effect...
scotty
Repons by Boulez. Four soloists in each corner of the hall,
and the ensemble in the middle is amplified spatially (quadrophonic) too.
Remco Takken
: Does anyone know of any pieces of music that have various
: instruments performed off-stage? I know of only three, myself:
: Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
: Beethoven: Leonora Overture
: Wagner: Tannhauser (I'm sure that there must be other's by
: Wagner)
Mahler's 3rd
Berloz Requiem
Mozart Don Giovanni
Vernon Edwards (p...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> Does anyone know of any pieces of music that
> have various instruments performed off-stage?
I give the most radical examples by XENAKIS:
Terretektorh (1965-66) & Nomos Gamma (1969).
In these pieces, ALL the orchestral members
are off-stage, and SCATTERED INTO AUDIENCE.
--
Y.Nonomura
Sinfonietta for Concert Band by Ingolf Dahl has an offstage trumpet trio.
I've been wanting to know this for years. What is a pianino?
No it isn't.
David
Yup, Symphony #2 is the Four Musketeers, or something.
David
It's a small piano.
David
: I've been wanting to know this for years. What is a pianino?
I don't know precisely, but I think it could be a vertical piano, like the
ones you usually find in a house.
>Mozart Don Giovanni (In most modern productions, played from the pit,
>though)
I think you've got this piece backwards. The instruments in question are
performed _on-stage_ (or should be). ;^) There are oodles of cases of
operas which contain parts for on-stage instruments, Don Giovanni being
only one.
Charles Ehrlich
Wolfson College (Oxford)
Tony Morton
University of Melbourne, Australia