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Tom Del Rosso
Mar 20, 2012, 5:44:30 PM3/20/12
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Here's a clip from a B-grade scifi show with what sounds like a requiem
(starting at 30 seconds). One of the commenters on youtube says it's a Pie
Jesu.
Anyone recognize it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1XY5J5LkU
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Peter T. Daniels
Mar 21, 2012, 8:56:05 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 20, 5:44 pm, "Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
> Here's a clip from a B-grade scifi show with what sounds like a requiem
> (starting at 30 seconds). One of the commenters on youtube says it's a Pie
> Jesu.
>
> Anyone recognize it?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1XY5J5LkU
It's movie music backed up with a chorus of synthesizers. In the
> Here's a clip from a B-grade scifi show with what sounds like a requiem
> (starting at 30 seconds). One of the commenters on youtube says it's a Pie
> Jesu.
>
> Anyone recognize it?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1XY5J5LkU
unlikely event that it's not simply part of the score of the episode,
there will be a credit for the recording.
Why is the girl carrying a bush?
Tom Del Rosso
Mar 21, 2012, 9:37:17 AM3/21/12
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thought it was taken from some mass or requiem, and recorded for the show,
obviously with synth.
Oh well, thanks anyway.
> Why is the girl carrying a bush?
sure of, even though I watched a season of this 10 years ago.
The only thing that stayed with me was wondering about the source of that
lyric.
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Tom Del Rosso
Mar 21, 2012, 3:12:11 PM3/21/12
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Hils wrote:
> On 2012-03-21 13:37, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Mar 20, 5:44 pm, "Tom Del Rosso"<td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > Here's a clip from a B-grade scifi show with what sounds like a
> > > > requiem (starting at 30 seconds). One of the commenters on
> > > > youtube says it's a Pie Jesu.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone recognize it?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1XY5J5LkU
> > >
> > > It's movie music backed up with a chorus of synthesizers. In the
> > > unlikely event that it's not simply part of the score of the
> > > episode, there will be a credit for the recording.
> >
> > I doubted anyone wrote lyrics for the show, as it was only used
> > once. I thought it was taken from some mass or requiem, and
> > recorded for the show, obviously with synth.
>
> What makes you think the text is from the Pie Jesu?
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Mar 20, 5:44 pm, "Tom Del Rosso"<td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > Here's a clip from a B-grade scifi show with what sounds like a
> > > > requiem (starting at 30 seconds). One of the commenters on
> > > > youtube says it's a Pie Jesu.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone recognize it?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1XY5J5LkU
> > >
> > > It's movie music backed up with a chorus of synthesizers. In the
> > > unlikely event that it's not simply part of the score of the
> > > episode, there will be a credit for the recording.
> >
> > I doubted anyone wrote lyrics for the show, as it was only used
> > once. I thought it was taken from some mass or requiem, and
> > recorded for the show, obviously with synth.
>
Some youtube poster said it was, and it has a melody like a section of a
mass or a requiem.
> The voice is so
> far back in the mix and/or the the audio so compressed that I
> certainly can't make out the words from the YouTube file. ICBW but
> the inflections don't sound like Latin to me, and Pie Jesu would be a
> singularly inappropriate text.
I thought it was unlikely to be original composition, but if it is then it's
not important. If it was a recognisable piece then I'd want to know what it
was.
> The song could have been something which the composer had written on
> another occasion, and incorporated into the score at what seemed like
> a suitable place in the narrative. If you can make out the words you
> have better ears than me, or perhaps a better-quality recording at
> home. :-)
Anything that lacks clear inflections sounds like Latin or French to me. :)
> Have you tried asking the composer?
No idea how, but if it was just composed for TV then I wouldn't be
interested.
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Peter T. Daniels
Mar 21, 2012, 11:30:58 PM3/21/12
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On Mar 21, 6:41 pm, Hils <h...@saynotospam.net> wrote:
> (I'm not familiar with the Andromeda series. I gave up on TV sci-fi with
> ST:TNG, and I'm now re-reading Dune and the Foundation novels. :-))
I read everything Isaac Asimov ever wrote (until he got into American
history and books of words; met him once at a PDQ Bach concert and
once at a G&S Society event) -- once. He is utterly unrereadable!
After you know the story, the total absence of style or grace in the
writing is all there is to see.
I remember liking *Dune*, but not enough ever to pick up any of the
sequels.
> (I'm not familiar with the Andromeda series. I gave up on TV sci-fi with
> ST:TNG, and I'm now re-reading Dune and the Foundation novels. :-))
I read everything Isaac Asimov ever wrote (until he got into American
history and books of words; met him once at a PDQ Bach concert and
once at a G&S Society event) -- once. He is utterly unrereadable!
After you know the story, the total absence of style or grace in the
writing is all there is to see.
I remember liking *Dune*, but not enough ever to pick up any of the
sequels.
Tom Del Rosso
Mar 23, 2012, 9:01:02 AM3/23/12
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Hils wrote:
> It's possible that the composer writes for TV to pay the bills but has
> also written more "serious" stuff which hasn't been recognised. You
> may need to contact him through his Egyptology business.
He seems to be quite a Renaisance Man. "Active in several sciences."
> BTW Shostakovich, Walton and Vaughan Williams all "just composed for
> films". :-)
I forgot about Vaughan Williams. 49th Parallel is one of my favorite
movies, and I forgot he scored it.
> Clips of his Andromeda music are available here, but appear to be from
> only the first two series (some of it's better than a lot of
> written-for-TV music, a la Jerry Goldsmith):
I like what Jerry Goldsmith did for the original Alien. And John Barry did
some good ones. Now I better give a good listen to the McCauley work.
> (I'm not familiar with the Andromeda series. I gave up on TV sci-fi
> with ST:TNG, and I'm now re-reading Dune and the Foundation novels.
> :-))
sci-fi drama (the other type having bad concepts). The new Battlestar
Galactica was outstanding in all ways, complete with realistic political
upheavals. If you rent the pilot (4 hours) or even the first half of the
pilot, you'll probably keep going and be glad you did. There is a good
group to discuss all written and dramatised sci-fi in a little private
usenet on the server news.grc.com. You need a login name and password but
they can be anything (the system just requires that it isn't blank). The
other groups on that server are all related to IT.
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John W Kennedy
Mar 23, 2012, 10:29:32 PM3/23/12
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On 2012-03-23 23:23:28 +0000, Hils said:
> Is there a worthwhile sci-fi newsgroup? (I don't do web forums...)
They are somewhat specialized, but rec.arts.sf.composition is still
fairly good, and rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated used to be, before
the great USENET crash of 2010-2011. (RASTB5M has effectively moved to
the Facebook page, "Fans of J. Michael Straczynski".)
--
John W Kennedy
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich
have always objected to being governed at all."
-- G. K. Chesterton. "The Man Who Was Thursday"
> Is there a worthwhile sci-fi newsgroup? (I don't do web forums...)
They are somewhat specialized, but rec.arts.sf.composition is still
fairly good, and rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated used to be, before
the great USENET crash of 2010-2011. (RASTB5M has effectively moved to
the Facebook page, "Fans of J. Michael Straczynski".)
--
John W Kennedy
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich
have always objected to being governed at all."
-- G. K. Chesterton. "The Man Who Was Thursday"
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 23, 2012, 11:06:54 PM3/23/12
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On Mar 23, 7:51 pm, Hils <h...@saynotospam.net> wrote:
> Foundation novels, and some of the short stories. I still remember the
> excitement of discovering that, after a gap of many years, he'd written
> Foundation's Edge. It was in the days when newsagents sold sci-fi
> paperbacks, and I bought a copy and devoured it in a few days. ISTR it
> was around the time that James Lovelock published his first Gaia book,
> and Asimov's idea of Galaxia seemed more than just coincidence.
SF changed. I think *Stranger in a Strange Land* was the last novel I
read; also early Delaney, but Harlan Ellison and Philip K. Dick lost
me. Then there was a huge fuss about one particular novel -- now I
can't even think what it was; took off from the cyborg concept -- but
couldn't get past the first few pages.
I did watch the whole *Terranova* series. It was very old-fashioned.
> My brother introduced me to Steven Baxter's work. The science inspired
> me to refresh my knowledge of physics and cosmology, but his characters
> are barely even one-dimensional, and led me to appreciate all the more
> Asimov's characterisations. I recommend Vacuum Diagrams though: it's a
> sequence of short stories with a linking narrative, so the absence of
> any real character development or interaction isn't a weakness.
> some stuff I was clearing out. It was so long since I'd last read it
> that I was rather expecting to find that it had become dated and
> hippyish, but it's turned out to be relevant and hippyish. The themes of
> ecology and power politics seem more relevant than ever.
Do you know John Brunner's *Stand on Zanzibar*? Sometimes i think that
was the best ever. But then so was James Blish's *A Case of
Conscience*.
> On 2012-03-22 03:30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > I read everything Isaac Asimov ever wrote (until he got into American
> > history and books of words; met him once at a PDQ Bach concert and
> > once at a G&S Society event) -- once. He is utterly unrereadable!
> > After you know the story, the total absence of style or grace in the
> > writing is all there is to see.
>
> I disagree that he's unrereadable, though I've only read the Robot and
>
> > I read everything Isaac Asimov ever wrote (until he got into American
> > history and books of words; met him once at a PDQ Bach concert and
> > once at a G&S Society event) -- once. He is utterly unrereadable!
> > After you know the story, the total absence of style or grace in the
> > writing is all there is to see.
>
> Foundation novels, and some of the short stories. I still remember the
> excitement of discovering that, after a gap of many years, he'd written
> Foundation's Edge. It was in the days when newsagents sold sci-fi
> paperbacks, and I bought a copy and devoured it in a few days. ISTR it
> was around the time that James Lovelock published his first Gaia book,
> and Asimov's idea of Galaxia seemed more than just coincidence.
SF changed. I think *Stranger in a Strange Land* was the last novel I
read; also early Delaney, but Harlan Ellison and Philip K. Dick lost
me. Then there was a huge fuss about one particular novel -- now I
can't even think what it was; took off from the cyborg concept -- but
couldn't get past the first few pages.
I did watch the whole *Terranova* series. It was very old-fashioned.
> My brother introduced me to Steven Baxter's work. The science inspired
> me to refresh my knowledge of physics and cosmology, but his characters
> are barely even one-dimensional, and led me to appreciate all the more
> Asimov's characterisations. I recommend Vacuum Diagrams though: it's a
> sequence of short stories with a linking narrative, so the absence of
> any real character development or interaction isn't a weakness.
>
> > I remember liking *Dune*, but not enough ever to pick up any of the
> > sequels.
>
> I started to read Dune again when a tatty old paperback copy fell out of
> > I remember liking *Dune*, but not enough ever to pick up any of the
> > sequels.
>
> some stuff I was clearing out. It was so long since I'd last read it
> that I was rather expecting to find that it had become dated and
> hippyish, but it's turned out to be relevant and hippyish. The themes of
> ecology and power politics seem more relevant than ever.
Do you know John Brunner's *Stand on Zanzibar*? Sometimes i think that
was the best ever. But then so was James Blish's *A Case of
Conscience*.
Peter T. Daniels
Mar 23, 2012, 11:09:50 PM3/23/12
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On Mar 23, 7:23 pm, Hils <h...@saynotospam.net> wrote:
> has a deftness and subtlety to it which is lacking in most film music,
> even some of his later stuff which focussed more on the big themes. It
> would have been interesting to hear the thematic material used as the
> basis of a longer piece in sonata form, but I daresay that would never
> have made it into the movie.
But it's the sort of thing that's passed off as the soundtrack of a
movie. (Movie soundtrack albums don't reproduce the underscoring of
the movie!)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg
>
> More classic Goldsmith (the "big themes" are here but used with
> discernment) from later in the same film, the extended scene unveiling
> the new starship Enterprise. Some folk just don't get it. Limited
> imaginations? Limited attention spans? Do they not understand that
> unless we aim for the stars, we are a waste of evolution?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9wFGxSDYc
>
> Dances with Wolves seems to have become unfashionable, but I still love
> it, and getting John Barry to write the score was a masterstroke.
If you pay attention to the music while watching the movie, then the
music has failed.
(That was actually a line from one of the last *Columbo* episodes,
just recently DVDed.)
> >> (I'm not familiar with the Andromeda series. I gave up on TV sci-fi
> >> with ST:TNG, and I'm now re-reading Dune and the Foundation novels.
> >> :-))
>
> > It had good concepts with problems in execution, like most relatively good
> > sci-fi drama (the other type having bad concepts). The new Battlestar
> > Galactica was outstanding in all ways, complete with realistic political
> > upheavals. If you rent the pilot (4 hours) or even the first half of the
> > pilot, you'll probably keep going and be glad you did.
>
> It's funny you should mention that. While researching Andromeda I came
> across so many positive references to BG that I watched the pilot. That
> was so impressive that I'll be looking out for the DVDs at my local library.
> On 2012-03-23 13:01, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>
> > I like what Jerry Goldsmith did for the original Alien. And John Barry did
> > some good ones. Now I better give a good listen to the McCauley work.
>
> Goldsmith's Star Trek overture (before curtain-up on the first movie)
>
> > I like what Jerry Goldsmith did for the original Alien. And John Barry did
> > some good ones. Now I better give a good listen to the McCauley work.
>
> has a deftness and subtlety to it which is lacking in most film music,
> even some of his later stuff which focussed more on the big themes. It
> would have been interesting to hear the thematic material used as the
> basis of a longer piece in sonata form, but I daresay that would never
> have made it into the movie.
But it's the sort of thing that's passed off as the soundtrack of a
movie. (Movie soundtrack albums don't reproduce the underscoring of
the movie!)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg
>
> More classic Goldsmith (the "big themes" are here but used with
> discernment) from later in the same film, the extended scene unveiling
> the new starship Enterprise. Some folk just don't get it. Limited
> imaginations? Limited attention spans? Do they not understand that
> unless we aim for the stars, we are a waste of evolution?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9wFGxSDYc
>
> Dances with Wolves seems to have become unfashionable, but I still love
> it, and getting John Barry to write the score was a masterstroke.
If you pay attention to the music while watching the movie, then the
music has failed.
(That was actually a line from one of the last *Columbo* episodes,
just recently DVDed.)
> >> (I'm not familiar with the Andromeda series. I gave up on TV sci-fi
> >> with ST:TNG, and I'm now re-reading Dune and the Foundation novels.
> >> :-))
>
> > It had good concepts with problems in execution, like most relatively good
> > sci-fi drama (the other type having bad concepts). The new Battlestar
> > Galactica was outstanding in all ways, complete with realistic political
> > upheavals. If you rent the pilot (4 hours) or even the first half of the
> > pilot, you'll probably keep going and be glad you did.
>
> across so many positive references to BG that I watched the pilot. That
> was so impressive that I'll be looking out for the DVDs at my local library.
>
> > There is a good
> > group to discuss all written and dramatised sci-fi in a little private
> > usenet on the server news.grc.com. You need a login name and password but
> > they can be anything (the system just requires that it isn't blank). The
> > other groups on that server are all related to IT.
>
> > There is a good
> > group to discuss all written and dramatised sci-fi in a little private
> > usenet on the server news.grc.com. You need a login name and password but
> > they can be anything (the system just requires that it isn't blank). The
> > other groups on that server are all related to IT.
>
Tom Del Rosso
Mar 24, 2012, 2:58:57 PM3/24/12
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Hils wrote:
> On 2012-03-23 13:01, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> > I like what Jerry Goldsmith did for the original Alien. And John
> > Barry did some good ones. Now I better give a good listen to the
> > McCauley work.
>
> > Barry did some good ones. Now I better give a good listen to the
> > McCauley work.
>
> Goldsmith's Star Trek overture (before curtain-up on the first movie)
> has a deftness and subtlety to it which is lacking in most film music,
> even some of his later stuff which focussed more on the big themes. It
> would have been interesting to hear the thematic material used as the
> basis of a longer piece in sonata form, but I daresay that would never
> have made it into the movie.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg
> has a deftness and subtlety to it which is lacking in most film music,
> even some of his later stuff which focussed more on the big themes. It
> would have been interesting to hear the thematic material used as the
> basis of a longer piece in sonata form, but I daresay that would never
> have made it into the movie.
>
That is impressive. When that theme was done with brass for TNG I thought
it was bombastic fanfare, but it works the way the composer originally wrote
it. TNG was so pacifist and they had a practically marshall title theme.
It was one of the things I hated about TNG in it's first season because the
TOS theme was much more subtle. On the other hand, the incidental music in
TNG consisted of a kind of droning sound. Pathetic.
Upon reviewing TOS in the 90's I realized it had the best incidental music
of any TV show. I didn't really notice it as a kid. My friend pointed out
that he could tell what was happening if TOS was playing in another room and
he could just hear the music.
> More classic Goldsmith (the "big themes" are here but used with
> discernment) from later in the same film, the extended scene unveiling
when I saw it. The space waltz scenes in 2001 certainly inspired it. Now
that I think of it, the 2001 scenes were much better visually while
depicting more primitive technology. That does suggest that the Trek tech
wasn't as imaginitive as it could have been.
> the new starship Enterprise. Some folk just don't get it. Limited
> imaginations? Limited attention spans? Do they not understand that
> unless we aim for the stars, we are a waste of evolution?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9wFGxSDYc
sake of knowing what's out there. It's been said, inarguably I think, that
if the Russians got to the moon first they would have built a permanent base
there by 1980. It's a weakness of democracy. I don't think the average
Russian would have voted to spend the money on it either. They certainly
wouldn't have voted to spend a fourth of their GDP on the military. For the
past few decades NASA's budget has been 20% of the Agriculture Department,
and now it's closer to 10%. Part of the problem is that the people have a
completely false perception of what it costs.
> Dances with Wolves seems to have become unfashionable, but I still
> love it, and getting John Barry to write the score was a masterstroke.
one that gets tears out of me. John Barry did a great score with a main
theme that works in different arrangements. Connery and Hepburn do a
beautiful job too. "I've hardly lost a battle, and I don't know what I've
won. 'The day is ours Robin.', they would tell me. But where did the day
go?" I can probably recite half of it, but just recalling some of the lines
chokes me up.
> > > (I'm not familiar with the Andromeda series. I gave up on TV
> > > sci-fi with ST:TNG, and I'm now re-reading Dune and the
> > > Foundation novels. :-))
> >
> > It had good concepts with problems in execution, like most
> > relatively good sci-fi drama (the other type having bad concepts). The
> > new Battlestar Galactica was outstanding in all ways, complete
> > with realistic political upheavals. If you rent the pilot (4
> > hours) or even the first half of the pilot, you'll probably keep
> > going and be glad you did.
>
> It's funny you should mention that. While researching Andromeda I came
> across so many positive references to BG that I watched the pilot.
> That was so impressive that I'll be looking out for the DVDs at my local
> library.
I'm flattered that you watched a 4 hour pilot as part of answering a stupid
> across so many positive references to BG that I watched the pilot.
> That was so impressive that I'll be looking out for the DVDs at my local
> library.
little question from me. :) Did you get it online?
Music actually plays a crucial role in the last season of the show. The
last episode is simply beautiful. Cast members cried when they read it.
When Olmos was offered the role he said, 'as long as there are no stupid
looking aliens' or words to that effect.
> > There is a good
> > group to discuss all written and dramatised sci-fi in a little
> > private usenet on the server news.grc.com. You need a login name
> > and password but they can be anything (the system just requires
> > that it isn't blank). The other groups on that server are all
> > related to IT.
>
> Is there a worthwhile sci-fi newsgroup? (I don't do web forums...)
Neither do I. It's a newsgroup, but outside of usenet. It's a semi-private
usenet on a separate server, news.grc.com. It was created by and for IT
people, so all the groups are about IT except one for health and one for
scifi. Not a lot of traffic, but if you start something people always jump
in. There probably isn't a better place than their techtalk, spam, or
privacy groups to ask a computer question as well.
John W Kennedy
Mar 24, 2012, 3:58:47 PM3/24/12
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On 2012-03-24 18:58:57 +0000, Tom Del Rosso said:
others, but B5 above all Trek. The last five minutes remind me
irresistably of "Götterdämmerung":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNciln7qwY
>> the new starship Enterprise. Some folk just don't get it. Limited
>> imaginations? Limited attention spans? Do they not understand that
>> unless we aim for the stars, we are a waste of evolution?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9wFGxSDYc
More directly to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6EDzhDv-Is
(As to "Andromeda", what went wrong with it was fairly well known at
the time. There was a power struggle between the leading man and the
Show Runner, and the Show Runner lost.)
--
John W Kennedy
"Those in the seat of power oft forget their failings and seek only the
obeisance of others! Thus is bad government born! Hold in your heart
that you and the people are one, human beings all, and good government
shall arise of its own accord! Such is the path of virtue!"
-- Kazuo Koike. "Lone Wolf and Cub: Thirteen Strings" (tr. Dana Lewis)
> Hils wrote:
>> Goldsmith's Star Trek overture (before curtain-up on the first movie)
>> has a deftness and subtlety to it which is lacking in most film music,
>> even some of his later stuff which focussed more on the big themes. It
>> would have been interesting to hear the thematic material used as the
>> basis of a longer piece in sonata form, but I daresay that would never
>> have made it into the movie.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg
>
> That is impressive. When that theme was done with brass for TNG I
> thought it was bombastic fanfare, but it works the way the composer
> originally wrote it. TNG was so pacifist and they had a practically
> marshall title theme. It was one of the things I hated about TNG in
> it's first season because the TOS theme was much more subtle. On the
> other hand, the incidental music in TNG consisted of a kind of droning
> sound. Pathetic.
>
> Upon reviewing TOS in the 90's I realized it had the best incidental
> music of any TV show. I didn't really notice it as a kid. My friend
> pointed out that he could tell what was happening if TOS was playing in
> another room and he could just hear the music.
I prefer TOS (which I am old enough to have watched on NBC) to all the
>> Goldsmith's Star Trek overture (before curtain-up on the first movie)
>> has a deftness and subtlety to it which is lacking in most film music,
>> even some of his later stuff which focussed more on the big themes. It
>> would have been interesting to hear the thematic material used as the
>> basis of a longer piece in sonata form, but I daresay that would never
>> have made it into the movie.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg
>
> That is impressive. When that theme was done with brass for TNG I
> thought it was bombastic fanfare, but it works the way the composer
> originally wrote it. TNG was so pacifist and they had a practically
> marshall title theme. It was one of the things I hated about TNG in
> it's first season because the TOS theme was much more subtle. On the
> other hand, the incidental music in TNG consisted of a kind of droning
> sound. Pathetic.
>
> Upon reviewing TOS in the 90's I realized it had the best incidental
> music of any TV show. I didn't really notice it as a kid. My friend
> pointed out that he could tell what was happening if TOS was playing in
> another room and he could just hear the music.
others, but B5 above all Trek. The last five minutes remind me
irresistably of "Götterdämmerung":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNciln7qwY
>> the new starship Enterprise. Some folk just don't get it. Limited
>> imaginations? Limited attention spans? Do they not understand that
>> unless we aim for the stars, we are a waste of evolution?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9wFGxSDYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6EDzhDv-Is
(As to "Andromeda", what went wrong with it was fairly well known at
the time. There was a power struggle between the leading man and the
Show Runner, and the Show Runner lost.)
--
John W Kennedy
"Those in the seat of power oft forget their failings and seek only the
obeisance of others! Thus is bad government born! Hold in your heart
that you and the people are one, human beings all, and good government
shall arise of its own accord! Such is the path of virtue!"
-- Kazuo Koike. "Lone Wolf and Cub: Thirteen Strings" (tr. Dana Lewis)
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Peter T. Daniels
Mar 24, 2012, 11:39:55 PM3/24/12
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On Mar 24, 9:37 pm, Hils <h...@saynotospam.net> wrote:
> (I've still to be convinced that Kubrick directed anything worthwhile
> after Spartacus.)
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Is Dr. Strangelove before or after Spartacus? And what about (ObMus)
Clockwork Orange?
Paths of Glory is his best.
Kinda Orson Welles-like. Hard to live up to.
> (I've still to be convinced that Kubrick directed anything worthwhile
> after Spartacus.)
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Is Dr. Strangelove before or after Spartacus? And what about (ObMus)
Clockwork Orange?
Paths of Glory is his best.
Kinda Orson Welles-like. Hard to live up to.
Tom Del Rosso
Mar 25, 2012, 2:10:56 AM3/25/12
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Hils wrote:
> I pretty much grew up with TOS but I still haven't seen all of TNG.
> Life took me in a different direction between the two. I started
> trying to catch up with TNG a few years ago, the last one I remember
> is "The Inner Light" (season 5) which more than forgave all of any
> sins of crappy earlier episodes. Genius.
The flute sold at Christie's New York for $40,000. Bidding started at
$13,000.
And Stewart pointed out that it doesn't play! It's not a working flute.
Picard's uniform was only $9,000. The flute was always a popular item.
> > Upon reviewing TOS in the 90's I realized it had the best incidental
> > music of any TV show. I didn't really notice it as a kid. My
> > friend pointed out that he could tell what was happening if TOS was
> > playing in another room and he could just hear the music.
>
He was a vocalist in a punk band from high school until their last show a
few years ago. I've been listening to classical since grade school but none
of my friends were ever interested in giving it a try, including him. He
doesn't know what he missed because he really does have an ear. He just
happened to hear Pachelbel's canon for the first time when I was present and
he realized its significance immediately. I could have played it for him
years earlier but no interest.
As you can see here, from February 1987, I took part in my friends' "musical
interests" but I couldn't even get them to listen to one of my tapes.
He's the one in the orange hat. I played the subway cop (at 0:0:19) and the
customer whose ticket is stolen while reading the paper (at 0:0:33). I
should have gotten an Oscar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R84i_CH4i7A
> > A lot of people hated that protracted scene. The crowd didn't seem
> > to mind when I saw it. The space waltz scenes in 2001 certainly
> > inspired it. Now that I think of it, the 2001 scenes were much
> > better visually while depicting more primitive technology. That
> > does suggest that the Trek tech wasn't as imaginitive as it could
> > have been.
>
> it's the most important movie scene in human evolution.
Not the Enterprise scene? You must mean the 2001 scene where the bone is
tossed up and becomes a space station.
> (I've still to be convinced that Kubrick directed anything worthwhile
> after Spartacus.)
me, although it was nice to see the E on the big screen.
> BTW the USSR was only a few weeks behind the USA's lunar programme,
> but pulled the plug after the Apollo 11 landing because of the
> (relative) cost. One can only wonder what might have been achieved
> had the USSR and USA (and those Europeans who were still interested
> at the time) had found ways of co-operating instead of following their
> ideologically-determined paths.
We couldn't give them the tech when they would have used it for weapons.
When the Apollo-Soyuz docking mission took place in 1975 the computer on
their ship was a mechanical music box with a rotating drum.
I don't believe they were a few weeks behind. Their first satellite lasted
3 months. Our first went up 4 months later and lasted 12 years. That only
speaks to the rocket tech but, considering the computers and other
components, if they had done it maybe a year after us then it would have
been a more primitive mission. See the excellent 6-episode series "Moon
Machines" (which I think is all on youtube) especially the episode on the
nav computer.
> I may try to prepare some lesson plans for my god-daughter and her
> siblings (and any of their friends who want to come along) for the
> Easter break. The last time I saw them, they were very receptive to
> concepts from maths, astrodynamics and cosmology, despite their
> regular primary school teachers being barely literate. It makes one
> ask "WTF can one do?"
UK, right? Here in the US I wish they wouldn't teach tech and call it
science. They are not the same thing.
Do you have parent organisations in primary schools? My punk rock friend
has always been active on his daughter's behalf, and he chose the history
books for the first few years.
> I should have remembered that there were private newsgroups, sorry! I
> may try to resuscitate a public newsgroup or two. :-)
Check it out. It's about half scifi books and half TV, with some discussion
of real space exploration.
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