Did Bach do a piece on La Folia?
Bill Carroll
If he did, what is/are the BWV/s? Thanks very much.
bill carroll, toronto
Thomas Wood
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The 8th movement of the "Peasant Cantata" (BWV 212) is based on La Folia.
Tom Wood
Peter T. Daniels
I did indeed see a mention of that, and not long ago. It was probably
either in Christoph Wolff's biography (not volume of essays) or
somewhere in the notes of a recent Suzuki volume of cantatas. (Or
somewhere else, but it's tucked into some work as a sort of secret
surprise.)
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Benko Pal
I think in the Bauernkantate there is an aria for soprano with the Folia bass.
Benko Pal
Peter H. Granzeau
wrote:
>> Did J. S. Bach write a piece or pieces based on the Spanish theme La Folia?
>
>I think in the Bauernkantate there is an aria for soprano with the Folia bass.
Basso continuo?
Henk-Jan de Jong
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Peter T. Daniels
Darn, I was _gonna_ say that one of the places I might've seen a mention
was the notes to Ehnes's set of the Sonatas & Partitas! (But in the
Chaconne??)
Scott GF Bailey
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No, the Chaconne is based on several chorales, not La Folia. It's a set of
variations, but that's as far as the similarity goes, AFAIK.
Corelli wrote a set of variations on La Folia for solo violin.
---MIKE---
This was based on the Corelli Sonata Op. 5.
-MIKE
Thomas Wood
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> Chaconne for violin solo BWV 1004. Also played on lute, guitar etc.
No way. La Folia is much longer than the four descending notes the Chaconne
is based on -- not to mention being a different bass line and chord
progression.
Tom Wood
Thomas Wood
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I think the idea that the Chaconne is based on chorale tunes is largely
fanciful. It's simply based on a descending tetrachord, one of the most
common chaconne basses -- and nothing like La Folia.
As for La Folia, you can learn more than you'd ever care to know about its
history and see a gazillion examples of its use by various composers at
http://members.chello.nl/folia/index.html .
Tom Wood
Peter T. Daniels
No, the Chaconne is not "based on" any chorales at all. It has enough
notes in it that you could find just about any tune in it somewhere, and
produce a ridiculously overdubbed gimmick album (fashionably dressed in
black) to lure the gullible.
In my perpetual quest for an adequate recording of this repertoire (BWV
1001-1006), I've found pretty good versions by the incredible James
Ehnes (who, however, plays the Doubles as cluelessly as Ricci) and by
someone called Kantorow in the only now available (recorded ca. 1995)
set from the "National Trust" series (chamber music played in Stately
Homes) that has the works with the accompaniments provided by Schumann.
(The accompaniments are not obtrusive and don't detract from the
brilliance and panache of the violin-playing.)
Henk-Jan de Jong
A Chaconne is not a Folia, but as I've understood Bach was inspired by
Corelli's Folia when writing his Chaconne. He used the Folia theme anyway
Greetinx,
Matuka
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Thomas Wood
> Well,
>
> A Chaconne is not a Folia, but as I've understood Bach was inspired by
> Corelli's Folia when writing his Chaconne. He used the Folia theme anyway
On what basis do you claim that? The four-note bass that underlies the
Chaconne is NOTHING like La Folia. If you think it is, show me how.
Tom Wood
Scott GF Bailey
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I had no idea about the quality of the scholarship going into the
"Morimir" project (is that what the CD was called?); I heard a story
on NPR about it, read a few short articles in various violin porno
mags like Strings and the Strad. Of course, once I actually *heard*
the Chaconne off Morimir (or whatever), I lost all interest.
> In my perpetual quest for an adequate recording of this repertoire
(BWV
> 1001-1006), I've found pretty good versions by the incredible James
> Ehnes (who, however, plays the Doubles as cluelessly as Ricci) and
by
> someone called Kantorow in the only now available (recorded ca.
1995)
> set from the "National Trust" series (chamber music played in
Stately
> Homes) that has the works with the accompaniments provided by
Schumann.
Blasphemy!
> (The accompaniments are not obtrusive and don't detract from the
> brilliance and panache of the violin-playing.)
Heresy!
Peter T. Daniels
> > > No, the Chaconne is based on several chorales, not La Folia. It's a set of
> > > variations, but that's as far as the similarity goes, AFAIK.
> >
> > No, the Chaconne is not "based on" any chorales at all. It has enough
> > notes in it that you could find just about any tune in it somewhere, and
> > produce a ridiculously overdubbed gimmick album (fashionably dressed in
> > black) to lure the gullible.
> >
>
> I had no idea about the quality of the scholarship going into the
> "Morimir" project (is that what the CD was called?); I heard a story
> on NPR about it, read a few short articles in various violin porno
> mags like Strings and the Strad. Of course, once I actually *heard*
> the Chaconne off Morimir (or whatever), I lost all interest.
Morimur -- it's Latin, not Tolkien. The original musicological article
is in a _very_ obscure journal, and the score illustrations in the CD
booklet are reproduced too small to read.
> > In my perpetual quest for an adequate recording of this repertoire (BWV
> > 1001-1006), I've found pretty good versions by the incredible James
> > Ehnes (who, however, plays the Doubles as cluelessly as Ricci) and by
> > someone called Kantorow in the only now available (recorded ca. 1995)
> > set from the "National Trust" series (chamber music played in Stately
> > Homes) that has the works with the accompaniments provided by Schumann.
>
> Blasphemy!
>
> > (The accompaniments are not obtrusive and don't detract from the
> > brilliance and panache of the violin-playing.)
>
> Heresy!
The two (mid-price) disks are sold separately (Tower Lincoln Center had
both of them, Tower East 4th St. had only vol. 1); give 'em a try.
Mendelssohn also composed accompaniments, but I haven't found a
recording of them.
