Best Brahms "Ein Deutsches Requiem" recording please?
Kathleen Bennett
recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
interpretation. Thanks a lot!
Lena k...@u.washington.edu
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~keb
Robert Cleary
<Pine.A32.3.91j.95062...@homer21.u.washington.edu>,
Kathleen Bennett <k...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
> recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
> also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
> interpretation. Thanks a lot!
I own Robert Shaw and Atlanta, which I think is an excellent performance.
The form is clear, the tempo relations are perfect, there is a sense of
inevitability and line in the interpretation, etc. I used to think it was
the best recording until I heard Solti and the CSO. What blew me away
about that recording was the slightly more strongly articulated second
movement (my favorite part of the work) that really heightened the
emotional, almost sensuous, nature of that music. So, now I'm torn
between the two.
Robert Cleary
c58...@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Adam Wright Grasso
In article
<Pine.A32.3.91j.95062...@homer21.u.washington.edu>,
Kathleen Bennett <k...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
> recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
> also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
> interpretation. Thanks a lot!
choice, though I don't know it could be considered the best. This is a
very moving interpretation of the piece. Klemperer often takes his
time...and the tempi really work. The soloists are brilliant. The only
flaw on this recording is a somewhat subpar sound quality (rare for EMI),
but this can be excused once you hear the music.
--
Adam W. Grasso
Ren Egawa
I would recommend the Sawallisch recording, with Bavarian Radio Orch & Choir
+ M. Price. The chorus part is especially magnificent.
Ren Egawa
ps. Thanks Lena for your advise on ways to determine good performances.
Aiken Van Spyk
: I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
: recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
: also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
: interpretation. Thanks a lot!
: Lena k...@u.washington.edu
: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~keb
->One of the best must surely be the one on DG under giuseppi sinopli.
->soprano Lucia Popp and alto Brigitte Faesbender are I feel the main
->highlights of the recording that make it one of the most beautifull
->requiems ever written. Sinopoli gives the work a certain drama that
->I find others lack. As for the best, I have heard about a recording
->with an all german cast which includes Dietricht Fischer Dieskau and
->also Elizabeth Schwartzkopf. It's been a long time since I've seen it
->in the stores so I forget the details but I think it's an EMI. For a
->period performance you'd be alright with the one by john elliot
->gardiner on phillips.
->Aiken Van Spyk as...@uoguel.ca
Ed Kammin
>From: Kathleen Bennett <k...@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Best Brahms "Ein Deutsches Requiem" recording please?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:00:41 -0700
>I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
>recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
>also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
>interpretation. Thanks a lot!
>Lena k...@u.washington.edu
> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~keb
For me, one of the best, if not the best performance is the earliest of the
Karajans, with Elisabeth Schwarzkopf and Hans Hotter, recorded in Vienna
in 1947 and now released on EMI. This is from the period when Karajan had
been banned from public performance by the de-nazification tribunal, and was
building up his reputation through recordings. The qualities I like about it
are not the sound, which is good 1940s, but no better, but rather, the beauty
of the singing of Schwarzkopf and Hotter, and the terrific intensity of the
interpretation.
Ed K.
Jay Azneer
favorite--Kempe with the BPO and the Dom Chor with very young
Fischer-Dieskau and Gruemmer in glorious voice--her Sehet mich
an always takes my breath away --even the memory of it does!
DFD is NOT the helden bariton I crave to hear in this but he
sings gorgeously and communicates wonderfully. As for Kempe he
never tries to make the work bigger than G-d he simply unfolds
it in front of you. One of the most beautiful performances
ever captured.
Jay
Bill Ramsay
>Kathleen Bennett (k...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
>: recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
>: also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
>: interpretation. Thanks a lot!
>
>: Lena k...@u.washington.edu
>: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~keb
>
>
>->soprano Lucia Popp and alto Brigitte Faesbender are I feel the main
>->highlights of the recording that make it one of the most beautifull
>->requiems ever written. Sinopoli gives the work a certain drama that
>->I find others lack. As for the best, I have heard about a recording
>->with an all german cast which includes Dietricht Fischer Dieskau and
>->also Elizabeth Schwartzkopf. It's been a long time since I've seen it
>->in the stores so I forget the details but I think it's an EMI. For a
>->period performance you'd be alright with the one by john elliot
>->gardiner on phillips.
>
>->Aiken Van Spyk as...@uoguel.ca
>
very clear and uplifting. He also employs forces similar to those used at the
time of its first performace (c. 1875)
Bill Ramsay
Valgerd Einarsvoll
>I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
>recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
>also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
>interpretation. Thanks a lot!
I recommend Decca's new (1995) recording with San Francisco S.O./
Herbert Blomstedt.
Blomstedt has picked the "right" tempi for all parts of the work, and
this combined with a sensitive treatment of the lyrics makes it a
superb interpretation.
I should wish, though, that he had chosen a different soprano.
Elisabeth Norberg-Schultz is a fine singer (and will be better), but
her vibrato doesn't match Blomstedt's intentions for this piece.
Valgerd Einarsvoll
Douglas Clark
There is only Klemperer, with Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau. EMI.
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Tony Movshon
>There is only Klemperer, with Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau. EMI.
Funny typo, to write "only" when you meant "also".
I also happen to like the Klemperer recording very much.
^^^^
(not "only")
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D Stephen Heersink
I suspect the three "best" Brahms' Requiems are:
(1) Klemperer, Philarhomia Chorus and Orchestra (EMI)
(2) Gardiner, Orch. Rev. & Romanique, Monteverdi Choir (Philips)
(3) Shaw, Atlanta SO & Choir (Telarc)
Certainly a fourth good bet is:
(4) von Karajan, Vienna Singverein and Vienna PO (EMI)
My "personal" preference is (2) Gardiner. It seems favored by a
great many critics as well. My least favorite is (3) Shaw. None, to the
best of my knowledge, is available at budget prices.
Stephen Heersink
dsh....@ix.netcom.com
William Kasimer
: My "personal" preference is (2) Gardiner. It seems favored by a
: great many critics as well. My least favorite is (3) Shaw. None, to the
: best of my knowledge, is available at budget prices.
There's a recording on Naxos, but it's gotten lousy reviews.
Count me as another vote for Gruemmer/DFD/Kempe. The 1947 Karajan is
worth hearing, but only for Hotter's magnificent singing.
Has anyone heard the Hickox on Chandos?
--
William Kasimer (wk...@netcom.com)
Sharon, Massachusetts
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K >recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you woul
K >also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particula
K >interpretation. Thanks a lot!
K >Lena k...@u.washington.edu
K > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~keb
I like Karajan's late 70's BPO performance on EMI the best. It is a truely
massive performance, and the tempi are just right for my taste, not too
fast. The 6th movement. "Denn wir haben hie keine bleibende Statt", is
truely magnificant in this recording. Does anyone know how Abbado's BPO
performance on DG compares to this one, or for that matter, Karajan's 60's
recording on DG with BPO?
Patrick
John Rethorst
> There is only Klemperer, with Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau. EMI.
> --
Agreed. There is splendid power and authenticity in this performance.
John R.
Kehila Amnon
: I'd like to hear what some people out there would recommend as the best
: recording of Brahms' Requiem. It would be especially great if you would
: also indicate some of the qualities that make you prefer that particular
: interpretation. Thanks a lot!
I like Gardiner on Philips,pretty good but I don't think he is the best ,the
singers are unknown to me , but fairly good .The hole performance is on the
understatment side .
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AK
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Levine on DG. What a great, beautiful performance. The clearest diction
around- while still retaining the emotion of the work!
Lawrence Eckerling
Steven Botterill
>
>
> >There is only Klemperer, with Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau. EMI.
> Funny typo, to write "only" when you meant "also".
>
meant "alas". [smiley face icon HERE]
I have tried and tried and tried even to like, much less love,
Klemperer's Brahms Requiem - and it is still, two decades later,
TOO SLOW.
Of course now I have to come up with an alternative, and, purely on
sentimentally autobiographical grounds (I was young, foolish, etc.
etc.) I nominate Karajan's late 70s version with Tomowa-Sintow and
Van Dam.
William Kasimer
: I have tried and tried and tried even to like, much less love,
: Klemperer's Brahms Requiem - and it is still, two decades later,
: TOO SLOW.
: Of course now I have to come up with an alternative, and, purely on
: sentimentally autobiographical grounds (I was young, foolish, etc.
: etc.) I nominate Karajan's late 70s version with Tomowa-Sintow and
: Van Dam.
...which I'll bet is (by timing) even longer than the Klemperer. Try the
Kempe; the timing may scare you, but every tempo seems exactly right to me.
If you want fast, try Norrington (on second thought...) - the only
single-CD version that actually has a filler.
Kalman Rubinson
: In article <DB17o...@bath.ac.uk>, exx...@bath.ac.uk (Douglas Clark) wrote:
: > There is only Klemperer, with Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau. EMI.
I agree with the comment but not the conclusion. The old Electrola
recording with F-D and Grummer, conducted by Forster is right up there
with it. It's choral contributions from St. Hedwigs are superb.
Kal
Robert Cleary
Pete) wrote:
> For twenty years, the Klemperer recording has been my standard. Grand as
> it is, I find myself listening more often now to the Gardiner recording,
> which offers a clarity Klemperer lacks without any lack in punch, IMHO.
> There's nothing small-scale about the performance.
> The Karajan recordings I've heard don't move me, for all the old reasons.
> Levine is surprisingly lackluster to my ears. Norrington is pretty much a
> dead loss, for my taste.
So many people have raved about that Klemperer recording that I got my
hands on it and listened to it a few days ago. I must say that I was
sorely disappointed. The soloists were incredible, of course, but I found
the orchestra, particularly the brass, to be not-so-good. There's a sort
of raw quality about the sound, and the brass sound a bit out of control
and imprecise. Just my opinion, and apparently the minority one around
here, but I'll stick with my Shaw and Atlanta recording with Arleen Auger
and Richard Stilwell.
Robert Cleary
c58...@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Count Pete
Schoolkids' Records
I agree completely-- Klemperer's lean but, at times, tender
interpretation makes it the ultimate Deutsches Requiem.
Gardiner's, although elegant, lacks a certain stringency which
makes the Requiem so incredible.
Robert Ward
--
Robert N. Ward
Associate Principal Horn
San Francisco Symphony
Brian Melkowits
(Robert Ward) wrote:
The Klemperer used to be my favorite recording (and still is one my
favorites), and I have been waiting for years for a "modern" recording
that was reasonably good. I acquired the Karajan with VPO and hated it
(and sold it). Then I listened to many others, and was very
disappointed. The best recording I could find was the Shaw although this
had many problems that were unacceptable to me. And so I have been
waiting very patiently.
I was introduced to the SFS with the new Mahler 2 that came out and
loved it. I recently acquired the new Requiem with Blomstedt and SFS. It
is wonderful! I must admit that Blomstedt is not my favorite condcutor,
but that orchestra is fantastic. The singers are also great (the only
criticism I have is that the soprano section doesn't stand up to Shaw's
but then again nobody's sopranos can compare with Shaw's), and the
intonation is flawless. The interpretation is even better than in the
Mahler 2. This recording is the new reference.
I am looking forward to more recordings from you. I hope that you
record some pieces that are not in the standard repertiore since it is
hard to find good recordings of undeservingly negleted works. Two such
works in which I am interested are Hindemith's 'When Lilacs Last in the
Dooryard Bloom'd' and Schumann's Requiem, Op.148.
bett...@cnsvax.uwec.edu
> In article <rnward-1407...@sfsp104.slip.net>, rnw...@slip.net
> (Robert Ward) wrote:
>
>> Try our new one with Blomstedt and the SF Symphony. You might like it!
>>
>> --
>> Robert N. Ward
>> Associate Principal Horn
>> San Francisco Symphony
>
I have the Giulini, Vienne Phil. recording on DG and am quite fond of it.
Sometimes the choir is a little out of control, but it's good, full-blooded
Germanic singing, and with the fiery Giulini at the podium, there's a lot of
energy in the performance. Also, Barbara Bonney does an admirable job, and
Andreas Schmidt is superb as the bartone soloist.
The Chicago Symphony recording with Levine is also good. Kathleen Battle
sparkles, and, of course, that CSO brass is bombastic! Some of the tempi seem
a bit skewed, but a solid performance overall.
Eric Betthauser
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
Bill Ramsay
Bill Ramsay
TWMartin
>him very much (the period instruments don't project a very full sound
>sometimes...)
>Have you heard Gardener's rendition?
>-John Tom4
I agree... a really nice reading of the piece