Caro mio ben: I will ask once more
K
is from an opera? If so, which and by whom?
Thanks.
Kip Williams
>
> Does anybody know whether "Caro mio ben"
> is from an opera? If so, which and by whom?
I can't find an opera title to go with it, but I believe it's by
Giordano. It might be freestanding.
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Karen Mercedes
for a concert given in London. Giordani did also composed several operas,
including GRISELDA, also composed for the London audience.
But no, "Caro mio ben" was not an opera aria. It was a "standalone" song.
Karen Mercedes
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K
What confuses me is some sheet music states
"caro mio ben" as an arietta, implying that
it is from an opera, while others states
canzonetta.
In article <Pine.GSO.4.43.02052...@saltmine.radix.net>,
dal...@radix.net says...
Kip Williams
>
> I believe it is Giuseppe Tommaso Giordani.
> What confuses me is some sheet music states
> "caro mio ben" as an arietta, implying that
> it is from an opera, while others states
> canzonetta.
I have the song in three books, and although one of the books tends
to identify operas when a piece is an aria, none of them associate
an opera title with "caro mio ben."
Giordani (who I misspelled last night as Giordano) is also called
'Giordanello,' according to one of the books.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> I believe it is Giuseppe Tommaso Giordani.
> What confuses me is some sheet music states
> "caro mio ben" as an arietta, implying that
> it is from an opera, while others states
> canzonetta.
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.43.02052...@saltmine.radix.net>,
> dal...@radix.net says...
> >
> >Tommaso Giordani composed "Caro mio ben" as a concert aria, specifically
> >for a concert given in London. Giordani did also composed several operas
> >,
> >including GRISELDA, also composed for the London audience.
> >
> >But no, "Caro mio ben" was not an opera aria. It was a "standalone" song
A "concert aria" is an aria composed to be sung in a concert rather than
in an opera. An arietta is a small aria. A canzonetta is a small song.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
MD
"24 Italian arias", which every beginning voice student sings, here is
the actual story on 'Caro Mio Ben':
It was written by the Italian composer Tommaso Giordani for a series of
concerts in London c. 1782, and sung by a Signor Tenducci. It is not
from an opera, and was always intended to be performed as a concert
piece. It was originally written in F major for voice and 4 part
strings. Giordani, though born in Naples, lived in London most of his
life and wrote many vocal and instrumental pieces which were first heard
there. Parisotti, who compiled many of these etude songs in the 1800's,
mistakenly named him as Giuseppe Giordani. There apparantly was a
composer by that name, but he is no relation to Tomasso Giordani whose
dates are 1730-1806. There is much sloppy scholarship in the Parisotti
editions, and the new books, published by the Alfred Publishing Co. are
considered to be definitive, as they all rely on the original
manuscripts and scrupulous research into the historical data.
It is interesting to note that in Rossini's opera ARMIDA, there is an
'homage' to Caro Mio Ben in one of the ensembles. While it isn't note
for note the same melody and rhythm, it is so close as to be a virtual
quote. As it was an extremely well known tune, Rossini must have done
it on purpose.
Karen Mercedes
arias. Not all arias actually originate in operas (or oratorios).
Kyu
Great! Thanks for the info. Now this clears up:
1) It is not from an opera.
2) That is the reason why I have seen
Thommasco Giordani, Giuseppe Giordani,
Giuseppe Tomasco Giordani, and even Giordanello.
The music I have says Giuseppe Giordani (1744-1798).
In article <3CF539E7...@attbi.com>, mde...@attbi.com says...
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
K wrote:
>
> I believe it is Giuseppe Tommaso Giordani.
> What confuses me is some sheet music states
> "caro mio ben" as an arietta, implying that
> it is from an opera, while others states
> canzonetta.
I think you are confusing the true meaning of "aria" or
"arietta", because of our contemporary uses of the term.
Although we have come to regard any major solo passage in an
opera as an "aria", that is not the original meaning. An
aria can be any piece of vocal music constructed in aria
form - technically, the term refers to the musical form, and
has nothing to do with whether it is from a larger work
(opera or oratorio), or a single composition. (And yes,
that means many of what we call "arias" nowadays are not
really arias, technically speaking - but we still call them
arias.)
Mark D Lew
> It was written by the Italian composer Tommaso Giordani for a series of
> concerts in London c. 1782, and sung by a Signor Tenducci. It is not
> from an opera, and was always intended to be performed as a concert
> piece. It was originally written in F major for voice and 4 part
> strings. Giordani, though born in Naples, lived in London most of his
> life and wrote many vocal and instrumental pieces which were first heard
> there. Parisotti, who compiled many of these etude songs in the 1800's,
> mistakenly named him as Giuseppe Giordani. There apparantly was a
> composer by that name, but he is no relation to Tomasso Giordani whose
> dates are 1730-1806. There is much sloppy scholarship in the Parisotti
> editions, and the new books, published by the Alfred Publishing Co. are
> considered to be definitive, as they all rely on the original
> manuscripts and scrupulous research into the historical data.
Wow! That is news to me. Who is the author of this?
The traditional story maintained that Tommaso and Giuseppe were brothers,
in a family company that wrote, produced and performed operas. Giuseppe
came to London with the family, it is said, but soon after returned to
Italy, where he wrote several more operas and eventually became the
conductor at Fermo.
I knew there was some dispute about authorship of "Caro mio ben" and other
works written in London -- they are generally attributed to Giuseppe
(following Parisotti) but many claimed that Tommaso was the true author --
but this is the first I've heard that there was no second brother at all.
Giuseppe Giordani is well documented later in the century at Fermo and
elsewhere in Italy, but I gather that is the man whom you say is no
relation.
mdl
Pan
<evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I think you are confusing the true meaning of "aria" or
>"arietta", because of our contemporary uses of the term.
>Although we have come to regard any major solo passage in an
>opera as an "aria", that is not the original meaning. An
>aria can be any piece of vocal music constructed in aria
>form - technically, the term refers to the musical form, and
>has nothing to do with whether it is from a larger work
>(opera or oratorio), or a single composition. (And yes,
>that means many of what we call "arias" nowadays are not
>really arias, technically speaking - but we still call them
>arias.)
Would you call "Dido's Lament" a recitative and aria, or does the fact
that the aria is in Passacaglia form disqualify it, in your opinion?
Are you really suggesting that arias couldn't be in any form other
than Da Capo Form in 17th and early 18th-century operas?
Michael
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Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Pan wrote:
>
>
> Would you call "Dido's Lament" a recitative and aria,
Of course, wouldn't you?
> or does the fact
> that the aria is in Passacaglia form disqualify it, in your opinion?
> Are you really suggesting that arias couldn't be in any form other
> than Da Capo Form in 17th and early 18th-century operas?
Not at all! I am simply saying that an "aria", per se, does
not have to have an operatic (or oratorio) source! (And
that the original meaning of the word referred to a
particular musical form - which, AFAIK did not even have to
be vocal music.) I don't recall saying anything at ALL
about 17th and 18th century operas - or indeed that it was
de riguer that operatic arias be written in "aria" form at
any time! I'm under the impression the musical form came
from earlier than the 17th century, but in any case, when we
speak of operatic arias, we are usually speaking of a (more
or less extensive) vocal solo that occurs in the course of
an opera, regardless of its technical form. The original
poster seemed confused because she apparently assumed an
aria had to be operatic, and "Caro mio ben" is simply a song
in aria form.
Pan
On Thu, 30 May 2002 17:59:25 -0700, "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)"
<evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>Pan wrote:
>>
>>
>> Would you call "Dido's Lament" a recitative and aria,
>
>Of course, wouldn't you?
Of course!
>> or does the fact
>> that the aria is in Passacaglia form disqualify it, in your opinion?
>> Are you really suggesting that arias couldn't be in any form other
>> than Da Capo Form in 17th and early 18th-century operas?
>
>Not at all! I am simply saying that an "aria", per se, does
>not have to have an operatic (or oratorio) source!
Oh. I'd agree. It doesn't even have to be sung at all. There are arias
in instrumental suites, for example.
> (And
>that the original meaning of the word referred to a
>particular musical form - which, AFAIK did not even have to
>be vocal music.)
It's your remark about a musical form that confused me. How would you
define aria form, considering that it cannot be defined as, for
example, Da Capo form only?
> I don't recall saying anything at ALL
>about 17th and 18th century operas - or indeed that it was
>de riguer that operatic arias be written in "aria" form at
>any time!
That's why I was asking.
> I'm under the impression the musical form came
>from earlier than the 17th century,
Really? I'd like to hear more about this.
> but in any case, when we
>speak of operatic arias, we are usually speaking of a (more
>or less extensive) vocal solo that occurs in the course of
>an opera, regardless of its technical form.
I agree.
> The original
>poster seemed confused because she apparently assumed an
>aria had to be operatic, and "Caro mio ben" is simply a song
>in aria form.
Right. No problem there.
Best,