I'm Done With Martha Argerich
Alpha_Omega
in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may have
powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward loyal
fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
sister!
Dan Koren
"Alpha_Omega" <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
How do you know she acted like a "spoiled diva"?
How do you know her illness isn't real?
Are you aware of the fact she has/had cancer?
dk
Bachophile
Idiot troll.
Andy Evans
isn't real?Are you aware of the fact she has/had cancer?>
Word for word what I was thinking.
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Thomas Müthing
Well, yes, she's a bitch.
Her fingers are also not as powerful as once they were. Why not listen
to a promising young talent for a change, instead of buying overpriced
tickets for concerts with has-been's?
Thomas
Simon Roberts
>
>How do you know she acted like a "spoiled diva"?How do you know her illness
>isn't real?Are you aware of the fact she has/had cancer?>
>
>Word for word what I was thinking.
Me too. Bachophile's response seems appropriate as well.
Simon
Paul Ilechko
Bachophile is speaking from personal experience, perhaps.
Tom Deacon
5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Alpha_Omega"
<gui...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American. Bought
his ticket and thinks the seal is bound to perform.
I suppose it hasn't occurred to him, or her, that MA has come through
serious illness in the past and may be going through something similar
today.
So, suck it up, bud!
Tom Deacon
Müthing" <tmuethingBUGGE...@t-online.de> wrote:
As appalling as the first post.
I take a back seat to nobody in my support of the young performers. But to
complain about MA's "power" and to refer to her as a "has-been" is just
ludicrous.
You wish!
TD
Thomas Müthing
> I take a back seat to nobody in my support of the young performers. But to
> complain about MA's "power" and to refer to her as a "has-been" is just
> ludicrous.
I listened to her live on two occasions, a couple of year apart (and
years before her health problems). Her playing on both occasions was
dreadful.
Thomas
Donald C. Patterson
deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
> On 4/15/04 2:11 AM, in article
> 5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Alpha_Omega"
> <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a performance
>> in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may have
>> powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward loyal
>> fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
>> sister!
>
> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
Tom,
Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
Don
Paul Ilechko
> Tom,
>
> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
Do you seriously expect a thoughtful answer from Deacon?
Norman Schwartz
"Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
>
> Tom,
>
> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
>
He's talking about the Native Americans, those with tomahawks and peace
pipes. After all most of the rest of us derive from European stock just as
the a-- h--- who made the comment.
Andy Evans
I agree with Tom here. What exactly do we pay for? For the artist to appear, of
course, but we already know that this isn't 100% certain in the case of any
artist, so we know a refund is possible. We pay for the artists' time -
essentially the contract is that you pay for two hours or whatever of what they
do. My psychology supervisor and I always disagreed on this "Look, honey", she
used to say, "your clients pay you for your time". I would contend that they
pay for results, but her point of view represents one way of looking at it. But
we pay for professionalism, not necessarily inspiration. Artists aren't
performing seals - one does expect a professional standard, but anyone who has
played in public for long periods of time knows that all performances are
different in some way - some are better, some worse, some just plain different
for one reason or another. All this is built in to serious performing - this
isn't 'three for the price of two' territory. And I don't think artists fail to
appear because they're washing their hair. In fifteen years of talking
intimately to them, the most likely cause is health problems or (in a few
cases) that they're scared shitless.
Marcel Bartnik
"Thomas Müthing" <tmuethingBUGGE...@t-online.de> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:c5lqob$2kn$06$2...@news.t-online.com...
>
> Well, yes, she's a bitch.
>
> Her fingers are also not as powerful as once they were. Why not listen
> to a promising young talent for a change, instead of buying overpriced
> tickets for concerts with has-been's?
>
> Thomas
A comment as stupid and impolite as it is ludicrous. Anything I heard from
her in the last few years proves the contrary. Go and buy yourself new ears
instead.
M.B.
Tom Deacon
%Bxfc.33641$i74.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Norman Schwartz"
<nm...@att.net> wrote:
>
> "Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
>> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
>> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
>>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
>> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
Sorry if you are insulted. But you should just take stock of how others view
Americans these days. The two words go together. Anyway, please note my
phrase "OBVIOUSLY insensitive American". Didn't say you all were. But come
to think of it.....
Specially now that Dubya has abandoned the Palestinians completely.
Time for a regime change down there, you know. And maybe you would all get a
dose of "sensitivity" and change the world's perception of Americans in
general.
TD
Norman Schwartz
and not a curse, unless of course you bought tickets to hear her stumble
around.
John Wiser
I feel your pain and frustration. I've hung around concert halls for
decades,
and Teresa Carreno, Olga Samaroff and Augusta Holmes have _never once_
shown up. What a drag.
--
John Wiser
cee...@frontiernet.not
>
>
>
sam6...@earthlink.net
John Wiser wrote:
> I feel your pain and frustration. I've hung around concert halls for
> decades, and Teresa Carreno, Olga Samaroff and Augusta Holmes have _never once_
> shown up. What a drag.
Teresa? Cross your heart and hope to live? Then you must have hung
around concert halls long enough to make the shmendrik rmcr resident
feel like a spring chicken ready to spread once more those wings and
take the universe by surprise.
regards,
SG
John Wiser
sam6...@earthlink.net wrote in article
<shAfc.11768$A_4....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Snowdrop,
I feel confident that, no matter where you may stand on matters
important to both of us, you recognize irony when it is rolled out
in your presence. As for waiting around in front of concert halls,
we still do it, don't we, even though our favorite performers are still
dead.
--
John Wiser
cee...@frontiernet.not
> regards,
> SG
>
>
sam6...@earthlink.net
John Wiser wrote:
> sam6...@earthlink.net wrote in article
> <shAfc.11768$A_4....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
>
>>
>>John Wiser wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I feel your pain and frustration. I've hung around concert halls for
>>>decades, and Teresa Carreno, Olga Samaroff and Augusta Holmes have
>>>_never once_ shown up. What a drag.
>>
>>Teresa? Cross your heart and hope to live? Then you must have hung
>>around concert halls long enough to make the shmendrik rmcr resident
>>feel like a spring chicken ready to spread once more those wings and
>>take the universe by surprise.
> Snowdrop,
> I feel confident that, no matter where you may stand on matters
> important to both of us, you recognize irony when it is rolled out
> in your presence.
Your confidence, let me assure you, is not misplaced. Mine neither, I
would hope.
> As for waiting around in front of concert halls,
> we still do it, don't we, even though our favorite performers are still
> dead.
True. Always look to the bright side. If they were still alive, the
thought of them inevitably dying would have saddened us, n'est-ce pas?
On the andere hand, their being dead like the proverbial leaves leaves
(no I'm not stuttering) no place at all for the possibility that they
would die again. Now that they are dead, there is a tiny, infinitesimal
possibility that they would actually spring back to life one day and
play, for the two of us only, "L'intimite" (or do red-blooded Americans
only go for "Tristesse"?).
regards,
SG
Andrys Basten
A few times at that.
And after operations, 3 months later, she would show
up and play two concertos in one night, in one case (1997)
or both Liszt concertos in one week (a couple of years earlier).
But normal illnesses can disrupt too.
The Contra Costa paper reported this time it's due
to 'bronchitis' and inability to fly. No announcement on
NY as it is almost 2 wks away.
I do see she's had a very active schedule lately (mostly
in Europe), making almost all of that.
- Andrys
--
http://andrys.com
Dan Koren
news:c5m6lv$58b$04$1...@news.t-online.com...
Even if we took your statement at face value,
it should be noted that even the greatest
artists have bad days -- and especially
in front of hostile audiences.
Maybe she felt intimidated she had to
perform in front of a Gauleiter.
dk
Dan Koren
news:c5m9qd$rgu$1...@ulysses.news.tiscali.de...
Oops!
Watch out for trademark infringement.
dk
Dan Koren
news:BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com...
> On 4/15/04 2:11 AM, in article
> 5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Alpha_Omega"
> <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a
performance
> > in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may
have
> > powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward
loyal
> > fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
> > sister!
>
> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American. Bought
> his ticket and thinks the seal is bound to perform.
>
He may well be insensitive,
but how do you know he is
American.
Maybe he is just another
Palestinian refugee in
San Francisco.
dk
Dan Koren
> On 4/15/04 11:10 AM, in article
> %Bxfc.33641$i74.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Norman
Schwartz"
> <nm...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
> >> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
> >> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
> >>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
> >> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
>
> Sorry if you are insulted. But you should just take stock of how others
view
> Americans these days. The two words go together. Anyway, please note my
> phrase "OBVIOUSLY insensitive American". Didn't say you all were. But come
> to think of it.....
>
> Specially now that Dubya has abandoned the Palestinians completely.
>
Quite the contrary.
The President has only chosen to
support a different Palestinian
faction.
Not surprising in view of Arafat's
unwillingness and/or inability to
participate in a rational process.
dk
Dan Koren
"Andy Evans" <aeatarts...@aol.comnohawker> wrote in message
news:20040415112255...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> Bought his ticket and thinks the seal is bound to perform.>
> [ long snip ]
> And I don't think artists fail to
> appear because they're washing their hair. In fifteen years of talking
> intimately to them, the most likely cause is health problems or (in a few
> cases) that they're scared shitless.
>
As anyone would be
with such audiences.
dk
sam6...@earthlink.net
Dan Koren wrote:
> Not surprising in view of Arafat's [circumsized, the post]
Gawdy Gash, Dan, don't feed the troll! You wanna spar on Middle East
subjects, first bother to find somebody who doesn't confuse the Royal
Medieval Portable Toilet with the World's Minestrone Bowl.
regards,
SG
(and why does my spellcheck insist in calling you "Korean"?!)
Matthew B. Tepper
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Not to mention Fannie Bloomfeld-Zeisler. But then again, mentioning Mr.
"Alpha_Omega" and a "Fannie" in the same sentence might be redundant.
--
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Alpha_Omega
better. And yes, I know she has had a battle with cancer. One would assume
she wouldn't embark on a tour if she were suffering ill effects from such a
dreadful disease at the time. I'm not insensitive, just fed up. Bronchitis,
huh? Maybe she *is* barking like a seal...(Oh dear, is my pun too
insensitive for you tiara-wearing queens?)
Norman Schwartz
> %Bxfc.33641$i74.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Norman
Schwartz"
> <nm...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >
Nada in here that I wrote
> > "Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
> >> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
> >> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
> >>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
> >> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
>
> Sorry if you are insulted. But you should just take stock of how others
view
> Americans these days. The two words go together. Anyway, please note my
> phrase "OBVIOUSLY insensitive American". Didn't say you all were. But come
> to think of it.....
Hey, I don't think we have genocide in mind, but as for certain European
"sensitive" natinalities/
>
> Specially now that Dubya has abandoned the Palestinians completely.
>
> Time for a regime change down there, you know. And maybe you would all get
a
> dose of "sensitivity" and change the world's perception of Americans in
> general.
>
I suppose allowing them all to slaughter one another would have been more
sensitive.
Dan Koren
>
> She is notorious for canceling concerts...twice bitten, I should have
known
> better. And yes, I know she has had a battle with cancer. One would assume
> she wouldn't embark on a tour if she were suffering ill effects from such
a
> dreadful disease at the time. I'm not insensitive, just fed up.
Bronchitis,
> huh? Maybe she *is* barking like a seal...(Oh dear, is my pun too
> insensitive for you tiara-wearing queens?)
>
Would you have been happier if she
hadn't cancelled and not performed
well because of her illness?
Between a bad performance and a no
show -- which one would you rather
take?
dk
John Wiser
> ....mentioning Mr. "Alpha_Omega"
> and a "Fannie" in the same sentence
> might be redundant.
Now, now!
The posting may have been trollish,
but it has provided a thread with
some good entertainment.
Admit it, Matthew!
--
John Wiser
cee...@frontiernet.not
M. Lucky
> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a performance
> in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may have
> powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward loyal
> sister!
I also had tickets to the Argerich concerts that were cancelled this
week. I called the SFS box office and they graciously exchanged them
for another show, waiving all processing fees.
Needless to say, I'm very disappointed that I won't get to hear MA in
person this weekend. But I see no reason to assume she's "acting like
a spoiled diva." As several others have noted, she *does* have
cancer, and may very well be terribly ill.
BTW, have you ever taken a sick day from work?
Alpha_Omega
Alpha_Omega
better than none at all. Some people can rise above a ailment (NOT cancer in
this case)--others apparently cannot.
Terrymelin
cancels as much as Argerich. I've been scheduled -- or rather she's been
scheduled -- to see her at least 9 times and she canceled every last one of the
concerts. I have yet to see her live.
Does she actually exist or is she a virtual pianist?
Terry Ellsworth
Thomas Müthing
>
> A comment as stupid and impolite as it is ludicrous.
Awww, impolite, poor little boy.
Thomas
Terrymelin
>> his ticket and thinks the seal is bound to perform.
Sadly, your response is equally revolting is making the leap and jump to
"insensitive Americans."
I suppose you're some sort of "pseudo-enlightened" European?
Terry Ellsworth
Andy Evans
they do. Why should they 'rise above illness' more than anyone else? And these
'fans' are the very same that tell the Rolling Stones they're too old to be in
a band. Same story - would you tell a plumber he was too old to mend pipes, or
that he should get up off his sick bed?
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Thomas Müthing
> Maybe she felt intimidated she had to
> perform in front of a Gauleiter.
I heard she never even considered performing in front of trailer trash
like yourself.
Thomas
Van Eyes
news:5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com
> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a performance
> in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may have
> powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward loyal
> fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
> sister!
I'm batting 1.000 with Martha...1 for 1.
Regards
--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
Alan Watkins
> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a performance
> in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may have
> powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward loyal
> fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
> sister!
I have sent your message to her agent but I doubt he is going to
understand "suck it up, sister!" so I suspect it would be better
coming from you personally.
Here are the details:
Jacques Thelen
15, avenue Montaigne
F-75008 Paris
France
Tel: (33) 1 – 56 89 32 00
Fax: (33) 1 – 56 89 32 01
E-mail: jth...@wanadoo.fr
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Van Eyes
> Time for a regime change down there, you know. And maybe you would all get a
> dose of "sensitivity" and change the world's perception of Americans in
> general.
Similarly for Paul Martian. Norway, really!
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=92399a55-f33f-4bc2-a831-21f6363f5b7c
Van Eyes
news:62c8649c.04041...@posting.google.com
> I have sent your message to her agent but I doubt he is going to
> understand "suck it up, sister!" so I suspect it would be better
> coming from you personally.
>
> Here are the details....
I've never seen so much love for Martha at rmcr. I'd say that's
good...but after second thought, maybe they were just in a fightin' mood
t'day.
Alan Watkins
Either way, he learned "suck it up, sister!" and there had to be a
teacher involved somewhere.
Dan Koren
That's correct, Gauleiter!
I attended her concerts
before I became trash.
dk
Dan Koren
>
> I don't get this "responsibility to fans" - musicians play music, that's
what
> they do. Why should they 'rise above illness' more than anyone else? And
these
> 'fans' are the very same that tell the Rolling Stones they're too old to
be in
> a band. Same story - would you tell a plumber he was too old to mend
pipes, or
> that he should get up off his sick bed?
Only if he can play the pipes like Martha.
dk
Dan Koren
"Van Eyes" <van...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1274fafec71a4bc1871...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> "Alan Watkins" <alanwa...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:62c8649c.04041...@posting.google.com
>
> > I have sent your message to her agent but I doubt he is going to
> > understand "suck it up, sister!" so I suspect it would be better
> > coming from you personally.
> >
> > Here are the details....
>
> I've never seen so much love
> for Martha at rmcr. I'd say
> that's good...but after
> second thought, maybe they
> were just in a fightin' mood
> t'day.
>
Martha is a great artist and a
wonderful person. She deserves
some respect, even if one does
not particularly like what she
plays or how she behaves.
dk
Paul Ilechko
This is why I prefer to Koren to Deacon - he may be an ass, but at least
he's a self-deprecating ass, which is far preferable to a self-important
ass.
Matthew B. Tepper
> Matthew B. Tepper grumps:
>
>> ....mentioning Mr. "Alpha_Omega" and a "Fannie" in the same sentence
>> might be redundant.
>
> Now, now! The posting may have been trollish, but it has provided a thread
> with some good entertainment. Admit it, Matthew!
I admit it -- and I'm just trying to add to the merriment!
Paul Ilechko
Deacon is a Canadian, which is kind of like an American but not quite.
Tom Deacon
Müthing" <tmuethingBUGGE...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Tom Deacon schrieb:
>
>> I take a back seat to nobody in my support of the young performers. But to
>> complain about MA's "power" and to refer to her as a "has-been" is just
>> ludicrous.
>
> I listened to her live on two occasions, a couple of year apart (and
> years before her health problems). Her playing on both occasions was
> dreadful.
Which simply means that you don't like her playing.
NOT that she has "lost her power" (remember, you don't like her playing,
power or no power) or that she is a "has-been" (since you never even knew
her when she did have power or wasn't a "has-been".
TD
Donald C. Patterson
pile...@patmedia.net wrote on 4/15/04 11:09 AM:
> Donald C. Patterson wrote:
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
>> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
>
> Do you seriously expect a thoughtful answer from Deacon?
>
No, but I wanted to further expose his hatred.
Don
Tom Deacon
C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote:
> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
>
>> On 4/15/04 2:11 AM, in article
>> 5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Alpha_Omega"
>> <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a performance
>>> in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may have
>>> powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward loyal
>>> fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
>>> sister!
>>
>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
>
> Tom,
>
> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
Read my sentence, Don.
"An obviously insensitive American".
TD
Donald C. Patterson
deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 11:46 AM:
> On 4/15/04 11:10 AM, in article
> %Bxfc.33641$i74.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Norman Schwartz"
> <nm...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
>>> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
>>> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
>>>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
>>> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
>
> Sorry if you are insulted. But you should just take stock of how others view
> Americans these days. The two words go together. Anyway, please note my
> phrase "OBVIOUSLY insensitive American". Didn't say you all were. But come
> to think of it.....
>
> Specially now that Dubya has abandoned the Palestinians completely.
>
> Time for a regime change down there, you know. And maybe you would all get a
> dose of "sensitivity" and change the world's perception of Americans in
> general.
>
> TD
>
As I posted earlier, I didn't expect a resonable (or even a *reasoned*)
answer.
PLONK!
Don
Tom Deacon
<dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com...
>> On 4/15/04 2:11 AM, in article
>> 5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Alpha_Omega"
>> <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a
> performance
>>> in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may
> have
>>> powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward
> loyal
>>> fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
>>> sister!
>>
>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American. Bought
>> his ticket and thinks the seal is bound to perform.
>>
>
>
> He may well be insensitive,
> but how do you know he is
> American.
>
> Maybe he is just another
> Palestinian refugee in
> San Francisco.
In that case I take back my comments. He has just been denied the right to
his homeland.
Thank you, Dubya.
Now don't be surprised when the bombs reign over you.
TD
Tom Deacon
<dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BCA426AF.E8A%deac...@yahoo.com...
>> On 4/15/04 11:10 AM, in article
>> %Bxfc.33641$i74.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Norman
> Schwartz"
>> <nm...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
>>>> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
>>>> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
>>>>> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
>>>> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
>>
>> Sorry if you are insulted. But you should just take stock of how others
> view
>> Americans these days. The two words go together. Anyway, please note my
>> phrase "OBVIOUSLY insensitive American". Didn't say you all were. But come
>> to think of it.....
>>
>> Specially now that Dubya has abandoned the Palestinians completely.
>>
>
>
> Quite the contrary.
>
> The President has only chosen to
> support a different Palestinian
> faction.
>
> Not surprising in view of Arafat's
> unwillingness and/or inability to
> participate in a rational process.
By "rational" you mean total submission to Ariel Sharon and the Israeli
hegemony over Palestine.
It's called occupation, Koren. And the Palestinians will never tolerate it.
I suggest you revive the old post WW II slogan: "Duck and cover!"
TD
Donald C. Patterson
terry...@aol.com wrote on 4/15/04 6:24 PM:
Worse, He's a Canuck.
Don
Tom Deacon
62c8649c.04041...@posting.google.com, "Alan Watkins"
<alanwa...@aol.com> wrote:
That is her French agent, Alan.
Her American agent is CAMI, unless she has moved in the last few weeks.
TD
Tom Deacon
"Paul Ilechko" <pile...@patmedia.net> wrote:
> This is why I prefer to Koren to Deacon - he may be an ass, but at least
> he's a self-deprecating ass, which is far preferable to a self-important
> ass.
Excuse me. But is this a competition for Paul Ilechko's favour?
Puhleese!
TD
Tom Deacon
<dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Martha is a great artist and a
> wonderful person. She deserves
> some respect, even if one does
> not particularly like what she
> plays or how she behaves.
The one and only sane comment made by Koren in the past six months.
Bravo!
Now you need to improve on your consistency.
TD
Tom Deacon
"Paul Ilechko" <pile...@patmedia.net> wrote:
>> I suppose you're some sort of "pseudo-enlightened" European?
>>
>> Terry Ellsworth
>
> Deacon is a Canadian, which is kind of like an American but not quite.
There is not a single ounce of American blood coursing through my veins and
I, along with many of my compatriots, am extremely happy for it.
Canadians are not "not quite American", they are very much NOT American.
Nothing quite about it.
TD
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in
> "Alpha_Omega" <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com
>
>> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a
>> performance in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to
>> "illness." She may have powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled
>> diva is no way to reward loyal fans. Plenty of musicians perform while
>> not feeling well--suck it up, sister!
>
> I'm batting 1.000 with Martha...1 for 1.
Same here; she played my least favorite of the Beethoven concerti, #2, with
Sinopoli and the Philharmonia Orchestra at the Royal Festival Hall, and I
enjoyed it very much.
--
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Alpha_Omega
be British.)
Wayne Reimer <wrdsl
> With the possible exception of Montserrat Caballe I cannot think of anyone who
> cancels as much as Argerich. I've been scheduled -- or rather she's been
> scheduled -- to see her at least 9 times and she canceled every last one of the
> concerts. I have yet to see her live.
>
> Does she actually exist or is she a virtual pianist?
>
> Terry Ellsworth
>
It must be you. I saw her her perform live, and a very good Prokofiev 3rd Con.
it was, indeed. That was only on one of two attempts I've made to see her,
too. The other attempt was for a concert with Nelson Friere, but in that case
HE was the one who cancelled.
wr
Mike Painter
Reimer <wrdsl<delete>@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article <20040415182347...@mb-m23.aol.com>,
terry...@aol.com says...
[SNIP]
> > Does she actually exist or is she a virtual pianist?
> >
> > Terry Ellsworth
> It must be you. I saw her her perform live, and a very good Prokofiev
3rd Con.
> it was, indeed. That was only on one of two attempts I've made to see her,
> too. The other attempt was for a concert with Nelson Friere, but in
that case
> HE was the one who cancelled.
>
> wr
I'm 2 for 5 now (heard her once in Berlin, once in SF, and now this is the
2nd or 3rd cancellation here in SF), I think. And next season she's
supposed to play with Nelson Friere in SF, so we can start guessing which
one of them will cancel ;-)
cheers,
Mike
Wayne Reimer <wrdsl
> I don't get this "responsibility to fans" - musicians play music, that's what
> they do. Why should they 'rise above illness' more than anyone else? And these
> 'fans' are the very same that tell the Rolling Stones they're too old to be in
> a band. Same story - would you tell a plumber he was too old to mend pipes, or
> that he should get up off his sick bed?
>
she/they/it) can set up an appointment for which thousands of people have
rearranged their lives just to spend the a couple of hours as a group in the
hallowed presence of said plumber, in the hope of having some rather intangible
benefit. Please, do let us all know when and where this magnificent plumber is
scheduled to wield a pipe wrench next, and how we get tix.
wr
Andrys Basten
Terrymelin <terry...@aol.com> wrote:
>Does she actually exist or is she a virtual pianist?
>
>Terry Ellsworth
LOL!
- A
W F Hardman, Jr
> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BCA426AF.E8A%deac...@yahoo.com...
> > On 4/15/04 11:10 AM, in article
> > %Bxfc.33641$i74.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Norman
> Schwartz"
> > <nm...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Donald C. Patterson" <don_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:BCA41939.1F1C2%don_...@comcast.net...
> > >> in article BCA404E9.E56%deac...@yahoo.com, Tom Deacon at
> > >> deac...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/04 9:22 AM:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Why do you feel the need to take this thread and use it to insult all
> > >> Americans by invoking the "insensitive American" stereotype?
> >
> > Sorry if you are insulted. But you should just take stock of how others
> view
> > Americans these days. The two words go together. Anyway, please note my
> > phrase "OBVIOUSLY insensitive American". Didn't say you all were. But come
> > to think of it.....
> >
> > Specially now that Dubya has abandoned the Palestinians completely.
> >
>
>
> Quite the contrary.
>
> The President has only chosen to
> support a different Palestinian
> faction.
The Sharon faction, yes.
Dan Koren
news:c5n7gp$3gpsf$2...@ID-208853.news.uni-berlin.de...
Don't rush to conclusions.
Self-unimportant people can be
just as taxing as the self-
important ones.
dk
Dan Koren
Welsh is more fashionable these days.
Old culture, unintelligible language,
and not the foggiest idea which way
the world is spinning....
dk
"Alpha_Omega" <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dan Koren
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Xns94CCC032C41...@207.217.125.203...
> "Van Eyes" <van...@excite.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in
> news:21b72ffa7a4f1208029...@mygate.mailgate.org:
>
> > "Alpha_Omega" <gui...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:5Ipfc.51623$dZ.3...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com
> >
> >> For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a
> >> performance in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to
> >> "illness." She may have powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled
> >> diva is no way to reward loyal fans. Plenty of musicians perform while
> >> not feeling well--suck it up, sister!
> >
> > I'm batting 1.000 with Martha...1 for 1.
>
> Same here; she played my least favorite of the Beethoven concerti,
> #2, with Sinopoli and the Philharmonia Orchestra at the Royal
> Festival Hall, and I enjoyed it very much.
>
Why is #2 your least favorite?
It is a gem of a piece, and
Martha plays it better than
anyone ever has.
dk
Dan Koren
The drug that causes mooseshit is
not available over the counter in
the US.
dk
Peter Lemken
> As I posted earlier, I didn't expect a resonable (or even a *reasoned*)
> answer.
>
> PLONK!
Do what you want, but this incidentally is one of the rare cases in which
the Deadon is actually right: Perception of the US has drastically changed
over the past 4 years and this phenomenon is a worldwide one. Just ask
people in South America, the Arab world, Europe and many others and you may
be in for a surprise. America is looked upon as an unreasonable, warmonging
bully, ruled by a class of people that is only interested in having their
fortunes multiplied.
Whether that is true, I can't say, however, the perception is what counts
when we discuss perception. You will rarely find Non-Americans calling the
USA a benevolent, peaceful and open-minded country. That was quite different
in the 90s.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
--
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!'
Peter Lemken
>
> The drug that causes mooseshit is
> not available over the counter in
> the US.
Get a precsription then.
Thomas Müthing
> That's correct, Gauleiter!
>
> I attended her concerts
> before I became trash.
Maybe before you became *aware* that you're trash.
Thomas
MMeier
"Thomas Müthing" <tmuethingBUGGE...@t-online.de> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:c5lqob$2kn$06$2...@news.t-online.com...
> Alpha_Omega schrieb:
>
> > For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a
performance
> > in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may
have
> > powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward
loyal
> > fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
> > sister!
>
>
> Her fingers are also not as powerful as once they were. Why not listen
> to a promising young talent for a change, instead of buying overpriced
> tickets for concerts with has-been's?
>
> Thomas
>
Müthing Thomas 60327 Frankfurt, Koblenzer Str. 11 Tel. 069 75 08 97 37
E-Mail: tmue...@t-online.de
MMeier
Müthing Thomas 60327 Frankfurt, Koblenzer Str. 11 Tel. 069 75 08 97 37
E-Mail: tmue...@t-online.de
MMeier
> Dan Koren schrieb:
>
> > Maybe she felt intimidated she had to
> > perform in front of a Gauleiter.
>
> I heard she never even considered performing in front of trailer trash
> like yourself.
>
MMeier
> Tom Deacon schrieb:
>
> > I take a back seat to nobody in my support of the young performers. But
to
> > complain about MA's "power" and to refer to her as a "has-been" is just
> > ludicrous.
>
> I listened to her live on two occasions, a couple of year apart (and
> years before her health problems). Her playing on both occasions was
> dreadful.
MMeier
> Alpha_Omega schrieb:
>
> > For the third time that I have had tickets, she has cancelled a
performance
> > in San Francisco (4/18--Schumann Concerto) due to "illness." She may
have
> > powerful fingers, but acting like a spoiled diva is no way to reward
loyal
> > fans. Plenty of musicians perform while not feeling well--suck it up,
> > sister!
>
> Well, yes, she's a bitch.
>
> Her fingers are also not as powerful as once they were. Why not listen
> to a promising young talent for a change, instead of buying overpriced
> tickets for concerts with has-been's?
>
Paul Ilechko
> Donald C. Patterson <don_...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>As I posted earlier, I didn't expect a resonable (or even a *reasoned*)
>>answer.
>>
>>PLONK!
>
>
> Do what you want, but this incidentally is one of the rare cases in which
> the Deadon is actually right: Perception of the US has drastically changed
> over the past 4 years and this phenomenon is a worldwide one. Just ask
> people in South America, the Arab world, Europe and many others and you may
> be in for a surprise. America is looked upon as an unreasonable, warmonging
> bully, ruled by a class of people that is only interested in having their
> fortunes multiplied.
It may surprise you to know that this phenomenon has been reported
frequently in the US press, so no, we're not surprised.
>
> Whether that is true, I can't say, however, the perception is what counts
> when we discuss perception.
Awe-inspiring logical deduction, Peter.
> You will rarely find Non-Americans calling the
> USA a benevolent, peaceful and open-minded country. That was quite different
> in the 90s.
Countries don't have personalities, people do. The idiots who are
currently running the USA are not representative of any of the people
that I know. We didn't even elect them.
Larry Rinkel
news:20040415182347...@mb-m23.aol.com...
> With the possible exception of Montserrat Caballe I cannot think of anyone
who
> cancels as much as Argerich. I've been scheduled -- or rather she's been
> scheduled -- to see her at least 9 times and she canceled every last one
of the
> concerts. I have yet to see her live.
>
>
> Terry Ellsworth
Interesting. I've bought tickets to see her twice in the past five years or
so at Carnegie Hall, and she's shown up both times - and played
stupendously. One time was an orchestral program with Dutoit and the
Montreal when she played Prokofiev 1 and 3; the other was the "1/2 solo
recital" she gave a few years back when she played Bach, Chopin, and
Prokofiev solo in the first half, and then played the Schumann Quintet with
the Juilliard and the Ravel La Valse with Freire.
It will be interesting to see if Caballé cancels her scheduled appearance on
May 27 at Alice Tully (and also interesting to hear how muich voice is
left).
Larry Rinkel
I rather liked what he said about gratuitous nudity in Salome. (I also liked
the gratuitous nudity in the Met's new production.)
Larry Rinkel
As a Canadian, he is a North American.
Andy Evans
self-
important ones.>>
Tom and Dan are rutting - must be Spring
=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.
Thomas Müthing
> Müthing Thomas 60327 Frankfurt, Koblenzer Str. 11 Tel. 069 75 08 97 37
>
> E-Mail: tmue...@t-online.de
Your point being ...
Thomas
Thomas Müthing
> Which simply means that you don't like her playing.
WRONG! I like her Schumann concerto recording with Harnoncourt quite a
bit, but I her playing of the same piece live was distinctly inferior.
Thomas
Thomas Müthing
> Müthing Thomas 60327 Frankfurt, Koblenzer Str. 11 Tel. 069 75 08 97 37
>
> E-Mail: tmue...@t-online.de
Yep, that's my address.
It's getting a bit redundant, don't you think, troll boy?
Thomas
Thomas Müthing
> Müthing Thomas 60327 Frankfurt, Koblenzer Str. 11 Tel. 069 75 08 97 37
>
> E-Mail: tmue...@t-online.de
And YOUR address is ... , troll boy?
Thomas
Thomas Müthing
> E-Mail: tmue...@t-online.de
Which means I can afford a real email account, beggar boy.
Thomas
Can Altinbay
> >> This is a revolting comment from an obviously insensitive American.
> >> his ticket and thinks the seal is bound to perform.
>
> Sadly, your response is equally revolting is making the leap and jump to
> "insensitive Americans."
>
> I suppose you're some sort of "pseudo-enlightened" European?
>
> Terry Ellsworth
You are just proving the case with such a response.
I don't see why the comment should evoke such a response, because it is NOT
a statement about ALL Americans. However, entirely too many Americans ARE
"insensitive". Such people make insensitive statements about others, and
overreact when someone says something that they construe to be insensitive
about themselves.
For the record, I am an American, and I did not take offense at the original
statement.
Can Altinbay
>
>
> The drug that causes ^$%&$& is
> not available over the counter in
> the US.
>
Oh, good. I was afraid with the previous post that I would have to give DK
another chance, but now I can safely tuck him into my killfile.
Bye.
Dan Koren
news:SSPfc.13071$rV4.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
I'm no expert on this topic.
dk
Terrymelin
>Con.
>it was, indeed. That was only on one of two attempts I've made to see her,
>too. The other attempt was for a concert with Nelson Friere, but in that
>case
>HE was the one who cancelled.
>
>wr
In 20 years, she's canceled concerts I held tickets to exactly 9 times and you
somehow claim "it must be you."
I'd like to hear your explanation of that logic.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>
Believe me we are all very grateful for that. No one in America would ever
claim him. Afterall Canada's biggest contribution to culture seems to be to
export their very lamest comedians to US shores.
Terry Ellsworth
Peter Lemken
> Peter Lemken wrote:
> >
> > Do what you want, but this incidentally is one of the rare cases in
> > which the Deadon is actually right: Perception of the US has drastically
> > changed over the past 4 years and this phenomenon is a worldwide one.
> > Just ask people in South America, the Arab world, Europe and many others
> > and you may be in for a surprise. America is looked upon as an
> > unreasonable, warmonging bully, ruled by a class of people that is only
> > interested in having their fortunes multiplied.
>
> It may surprise you to know that this phenomenon has been reported
> frequently in the US press, so no, we're not surprised.
That does not surprise me at all, no, especially since I follow the US media
rather closely. What surprises me, though, is the fact that this phenomenon
as such is viciously negated, at least untli very recently and that those
who make note of it are abused as being anti-patriotic, un-American and
whatever other degrading adjectives leap to mind.
> > Whether that is true, I can't say, however, the perception is what
> > counts when we discuss perception.
> Awe-inspiring logical deduction, Peter.
Yup. Seemed necessary in a context which has the Deadon as a "participant".
> > You will rarely find Non-Americans calling the USA a benevolent,
> > peaceful and open-minded country. That was quite different in the 90s.
>
> Countries don't have personalities, people do. The idiots who are
> currently running the USA are not representative of any of the people
> that I know. We didn't even elect them.
*Chuckle*
I can't help noticing the self reference within one paragraph. "Countries
don't have personalities, people do." together with "We didn't even elect
them" is as absurd an argument as I have heard.
I trust that you wanted to say that you feel helpless and can't do anything
but vote against that junta in November, which would be a sensible thing to
do. However, I very much doubt that the November election will bring about
any fundamental change. I have yet to see any mainstream opposition that
speaks out loudly and clearly that the US has turned into a modern fascist¹
state, which leads me to believe that most Americans seem to be quite happy
with the way they are perceived abroad.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
¹ Don't get me wrong: There is a definition for fascism that is generally
accepted in academia. For those interested,
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html is a good start
and those with a love for checkboxes can read this and make use of a pen:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
James Kahn
tickets for her NY Philharmonic date on May 1. We'll see.
--
Jim
New York, NY
(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
http://www.panix.com/~kahn
Andy Evans
nudity in Salome. (I also liked the gratuitous nudity in the Met's new
production.)>>
In an age where casual sex is fraught with peril, let's at least be grateful
for gratuitous nudity.