Prokofiev Piano Concertos
gperkins151
go the individual recording route.
Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
George
td
What's your problem with Toradze/Gergiev? I thought it was pretty
terrific.
TD
Rugby
I've hardly heard them all, but a few I've been satisfied with are:
# 1 Browning,Argerich
# 2 Browning, Volodos,Kissin
# 3 Argerich, Prokofieff himself
#4 Never heard
#5 Hollander,Richter. Anyone heard the Brendel ?
Regards, Rugby
HvT
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Prokofiev #2 by Bolet (both versions).
Prokofiev #3 by Katchen/Kertesz
Henk
J.Martin
>
> Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>
For 1 & 2, there's an excellent disc in the Ancerl edition series,
that has not only 1 with Richter and an outstanding 2 with someone
named Baloghava, but also a really nice Symphony 1, not that you need
yet another. Argerich has a nice disc that includes 1 & 3 (also
Bartok pc 3) with Dutiot. For 4, I don't have a favorite. For 5,
there is the Richter, which also comes with Sonata 8.
I also very much like Browning as a set, and the Toradze/Gergiev has
some great things, if you haven't completely given up on cycles.
Neil
#3 -- Cliburn
Neil Miller, author: The Piano Lessons Book & Piano Classics Analyzed
Methods and theory for confident memorized performances
http://ThePianoLessonsBook.com
rk
No.2: Horacio Gutierrez, Neeme Järvi/Royal Concertgebouw Orch.
(Chandos). This is the only recording of this pianist I have, but it
is far better than any No.2 I've heard (incl. pirate Volodos).
rk
Kip Williams
#5 - Richter with Rowicki conducting Warsaw
also Hollander with Leinsdorf/Boston (the one I first imprinted on)
#2 - Bolet with Thor Johnson conducting (haven't taken this out in a
while, but I might rip the LP)
#4 - Serkin (also on an LP I haven't ripped yet - flip side of Bartok #1)
I have a set of these with Tacchino and Louis de Froment conducting
Radio Luxembburg, and I find all of them satisfactory. Big as I am on
#5, I have other performances of it in addition. I also have the
composer's recording of #3, which is my generally preferred recording,
sonic deficiencies notwithstanding. I purchased several of them with
Ashkenazy and Previn, but sought out other recordings as soon as I could
afford them. I still have them doing the Overture on Hebrew Themes,
though, as well as the original chamber version from CMA.
Kip W
hank_dr...@yahoo.com
No. 1: Graffman/Szell/Cleveland Orchestra
No. 2: Frager/Liebowitz/Paris Conseratoire Orchestra
No. 3: Kapell/Dorati/Dallas Symphony
No. 4: Serkin/Ormandy/Philadelphia Orchestra
No. 5: Never got into that one.
number_six
Which complete cycles did you find disappointing?
The only one I have is Vladimir Krainev's set on Teldec; Dmitri
Kitaenko conducts RSO Frankfurt (notice I did not say they were "under
his baton"). I thought performance and sound were very good, but have
not sought out highly praised individual recordings of the Prokofiev
piano concerti.
Gerard
> On Apr 28, 6:33 am, gperkins151 <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided
> > to go the individual recording route.
> >
> > Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
> >
> > George
>
> Which complete cycles did you find disappointing?
>
I'ld like to know too.
Alan Cooper
news:896c34e8-2295-4123...@q33g2000pra.googlegroups.
com:
> Which complete cycles did you find disappointing?
My question also, since a few of them seem fine to me. A few other favorites of mine
that I haven't seen mentioned: Gavrilov and Katz in #1; Joselson in #2; and
especially Francois in ##3 and 5.
AC
David Cook
The Browning set on Testament holds up very well, though the sound is only
OK, not what one might have hoped for from RCA. The CDs sound pretty much like
the Dynagroove Lps.
I also like Ashkenazy/Previn just fine. What do people not like about it?
1: Richter/Ancerl; Ashkenazy/Previn
2: Henriot-Schweitzer/Munch; Baloghova/Ancerl
3: Browning/Leinsdorf/Philharmonia/EMI; Argerich
4: Yundi Li/Ozawa
5: Richter/Rowicki
The Munch does not seem to be available at HMV Japan anymore.
Dave Cook
O
<dave...@nowhere.net> wrote:
I'll second the Browning set. The Paik set is pretty good too, and
I've liked the Krainev. I hope Bavouzet records them (he's played them
all), they would be right up there.
-Owen
TareeDawg
Richter for #5. A classic.
I am very fond of Beroff/Masur as a set, and now available on an EMI Gemini.
Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> #4 - Serkin (also on an LP I haven't ripped yet - flip side of Bartok #1)
This was available on a Sony Portrait CD, MPK 46452. The coupling was, I kid
you not, the Reger PC with Ormandy/Philadelphia.
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gperkins151
> On Apr 28, 6:33 am, gperkins151 <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
> > go the individual recording route.
>
> > Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>
> > George
>
> Which complete cycles did you find disappointing?
Ashkenazy/Previn was particularly disappointing. I thought the
performance was dull and uninvolving. Beroff/Masur was better, but
again lacked some excitement. Paik/Wit was my first and though I like
it, I don't love it. I just figure that better performances are out
there of these concertos.
George
Kip Williams
> Kip Williams <k...@rochester.rr.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:gt7m00$tgu$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> #4 - Serkin (also on an LP I haven't ripped yet - flip side of Bartok #1)
>
> This was available on a Sony Portrait CD, MPK 46452. The coupling was, I kid
> you not, the Reger PC with Ormandy/Philadelphia.
I'd be interested to hear that, but I'm glad things came out as they
did, with me getting to hear that Bartok back in the 70s. I haven't
heard the Reger yet, but give it time.
Kip W
Kip Williams
> I also like Ashkenazy/Previn just fine. What do people not like about it?
The feeling that points were being missed, that they were just sledding
past important phrases and eliding accents. Insufficiently dynamic.
Perfunctory time-clock punching. Getting in all the notes without
getting in the excitement or the beauty.
The first, second, and fifth, when performed up to snuff, are like a
bracing note bath that's almost enough to overwhelm my senses.
Hollander, Richter, Tacchino, Serkin, and Bolet all seem to get this.
It's been long enough since I took the records out of their sleeves that
I can't recall now if Previn was equally to blame as Ashkenazy. Ever
since the set of Chopin etudes I bought with high expectation, I've come
to fear that Ashkenazy is just concerned with finishing the piece and
moving on, but I could be cheating the conductor out of his share of the
blame here.
Kip W
gperkins151
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > Kip Williams <k...@rochester.rr.com> appears to have caused the following
>
> >> #4 - Serkin (also on an LP I haven't ripped yet - flip side of Bartok #1)
>
> > This was available on a Sony Portrait CD, MPK 46452. The coupling was, I kid
> > you not, the Reger PC with Ormandy/Philadelphia.
>
> I'd be interested to hear that, but I'm glad things came out as they
> did, with me getting to hear that Bartok back in the 70s. I haven't
> heard the Reger yet, but give it time.
>
> Kip W
Is that Serkin Prokofiev PC 4 available on CD? (please say yes)
George
Richard S. Sandmeyer
<540f046e-dad9-4693...@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
gperkins151 <gperk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Serkin/Ormandy Prokofiev PC#4 is available on a Sony CD coupled with
a Serkin/Szell recording of the Bartok PC#1. I picked up a copy at
Berkshire once, but they seem to be out of it now. Here's one source
that still seems to offer it for sale:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007N1A4K
Apparently the edition Matthew mentioned where it is coupled with the
Reger PC is OOP, although a search with keywords "Prokofiev Reger
Serkin" will turn up an Amazon page for it (be careful not to limit your
search to Classical Music). No copies for sale, however.
--
Rich Sandmeyer
rich dot sand at verizon dot net
Rugby
> Is that Serkin Prokofiev PC 4 available on CD? (please say yes)
>
Rugby
Frank Berger
Something's wrong with the link.
Also, this seems to have been issued in 2005. It's not new. Since all the
vendors list this as a back order, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not
really available. I got mine from Lani Spahr a few years ago.
gperkins151
wrote:
The link worked OK for me. Amazon sellers, especially the smaller,
independent dealers, usually have what they advertise. That's one of
the things I like about amazon, actually.
George
ptr
Richters 1 & 5 are indispensable, Prokofiev in the third is a must hear for
authenticity. Cant see that any one has recomended Nikolai Demidenko's cycle
on Hyperion (with LPO & Alexander Lazarev), to me it's the quintessential
version if you want a modern set with one pianist!
/ptr
O
<wrdslremovethis�@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <e4f1de8c-1f3e-4f66...@v1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> > v9...@hotmail.com says...
> > On 28 huhti, 17:33, gperkins151 <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
> > > go the individual recording route.
> > >
> > > Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
> > >
> > > George
> >
> > No.2: Horacio Gutierrez, Neeme J�rvi/Royal Concertgebouw Orch.
> > (Chandos). This is the only recording of this pianist I have, but it
> > is far better than any No.2 I've heard (incl. pirate Volodos).
> >
> Agreed, it's the one to have. Gutierrez seems to identify with the
> piece to an unusual degree.
>
FYI: Gutierrez is playing the Prokofiev 3rd in Providence, RI Saturday
night May 2nd.
-Owen
Frank Berger
>> <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided
>>> to go the individual recording route.
>>>
>>> Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>>>
>>> George
>>
>> (Chandos). This is the only recording of this pianist I have, but it
>> is far better than any No.2 I've heard (incl. pirate Volodos).
>>
> piece to an unusual degree.
IIRC, some years ago Gutierrez played the Tchaik #1 in Dallas in a concert
in which another pianist played the Paganani Rhapsody. The audience gave
Gutierrez a standing ovation, but I thought his playing was all about
banging, without much subtlety or poetry. I much preferred the other
pianist, whose name I don't recall. The Dallas Morning News reviewer agreed
with me. Turns out I have only one Gutierrez recording in my collection and
its the one above.
Sol L. Siegel
<frank.d...@dal.frb.org> wrote:
>IIRC, some years ago Gutierrez played the Tchaik #1 in Dallas in a concert
>in which another pianist played the Paganani Rhapsody. The audience gave
>Gutierrez a standing ovation, but I thought his playing was all about
>banging, without much subtlety or poetry. I much preferred the other
>pianist, whose name I don't recall. The Dallas Morning News reviewer agreed
>with me. Turns out I have only one Gutierrez recording in my collection and
>its the one above.
For over 30 years, Gutierrez has been virtually a sure thing in two
works: Prokofiev 2 and Rach 3. His recordings bear that out. In both
cases, the couplings are inferior, though his Prokofiev 3 is better
than his Rach 2.
He had a bad health scare a few years ago but is apparetnly back on
tour.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Sol L. Siegel
<gperk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
1: Mindru Katz (coupled with one of the few bearable renditions of the
Khachaturian concerto); Graffman; Gavrilov.
2: The aforementioned Gutierrez. A strong early-stereo version was
Henroit-Schweitzer/Munch, which I think may have appeared in Japan.
I've given up on a CD of Frager/Leibowitz.
3: Start with the composer's - and get it on Naxos from MDT; I think
their sale ends tonight! Graffman (paired with 1 and a couple of
sonatas) is no slouch, either.
4: Another vote for Serkin.
5: Richter, either one.
J.Martin
> independent dealers, usually have what they advertise. That's one of
> the things I like about amazon, actually.
>
> George
Plus, they tend to ship more quickly than anyone. I've gotten to the
point where I prefer the amazon sellers over anyone else, even if
prices are similar, just because I enjoy the near-instant
gratification of getting my item within 2-3 days. Amazon proper
usually takes a week or so, arkivmusic 10 days or more, and Berkshire,
god bless 'em, seem to be operating in some completely different time-
space continuum.
gperkins151
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:33:44 -0700 (PDT), gperkins151
>
> >Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>
> 1: Mindru Katz (coupled with one of the few bearable renditions of the
> Khachaturian concerto); Graffman; Gavrilov.
>
> 2: The aforementioned Gutierrez. A strong early-stereo version was
> Henroit-Schweitzer/Munch, which I think may have appeared in Japan.
> I've given up on a CD of Frager/Leibowitz.
>
> 3: Start with the composer's - and get it on Naxos from MDT; I think
> their sale ends tonight! Graffman (paired with 1 and a couple of
> sonatas) is no slouch, either.
>
> 4: Another vote for Serkin.
>
> 5: Richter, either one.
Have both Richter PC 5s, ordered the Serkin PC 4 last night, just
ordered the Naxos PC 3 with the composer (even though the sale is
already over), just ordered the Guiterrez PC 2 (and 3) and just
ordered Richter's PC 1, the one coupled with the Tchaikovsky PC 1 on
Supraphon.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys!
George
gperkins151
>
I ordered the Richter PC 1, the Gutierrez PC 2, the composers PC 3 on
Naxos (sale is already over at MDT), Serkin's PC 4 and I already have
the two Richter PC 5s. Thanks to all who helped!
George
gperkins151
> Henroit-Schweitzer/Munch, which I think may have appeared in Japan.
> I've given up on a CD of Frager/Leibowitz.
Thanks, I just grabbed an amazon copy for $5.50.
George
td
You need to explore further than your nose before saying that you have
found the complete sets disappointing.
Don't be so lazy, boy.
TD
stateworkers
> No.2: Horacio Gutierrez, Neeme Järvi/Royal Concertgebouw Orch.
> (Chandos).
I Completely agree with this recommendation of the second concerto, my
favorite of Prokofiev's!
For the rest, Someone mentioned the Kapell/Dorati with the Dallas SO,
and that is a winner too. It's a whipcrack, unbeatable perf for the
verve and propulsion it has.
So maybe
1: Argerich/Dutoit, Montreal
2: Gutierrez/Jarvi, RCO
3: Kapell/Dorati, Dallas
4: Beroff/Masur, Leipzig
5: Richter/Rowicki, Orkiestra Symfoniczna Filharmonii Nardowej (1954)
gperkins151
Thanks! Thanks Rich as well. Just grabbed a copy.
George
Rugby
>
> Agreed, it's the one to have. Gutierrez seems to identify with the
> piece to an unusual degree.
I believe he played # 2 in his US debut, which I think I heard over
radio. I think therefore I am, or was.
Rugby
Rugby
> Agreed, it's the one to have. Gutierrez seems to identify with the
> piece to an unusual degree.
If I recall correctly, the Prok # 2 was a big piece for Gutierrez at
the Tchaikovsky , and was his US orchestral debut piece, with the
Philadelphia (?) , which I think I heard him do on radio at the time.
I think. Therefore, I am (?) , or was. Many years and much cabernet
makes Jack a duller boy.
Rugby
Rugby
> Is that Serkin Prokofiev PC 4 available on CD? (please say yes)
>
Yes. http://tinyurl.com/ck7ezk
Rugby
Rugby
>
Yes. http://tinyurl.com/ck7ezk
Rugby
Norman M. Schwartz
No. "The page cannot be displayed".
> Rugby
Rugby
Try: http://tinyurl.com/dep9fr
Rugby
rkhalona
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:33:44 -0700 (PDT), gperkins151
>
I second the Graffman/Szell coupling of Nos. 1 and 3. Martha Argerich
is also great in both concerti.
I am a huge fan of Nos. 1 and 2. I think the latter is Prokofiev's
best piece in the genre. Here I like Bolet as well as Toradze/
Gergiev. I once saw a young pianist, Lukas Vondracek, do a
phenomenal No. 1 with the CzPO under Ashkenazy. I was hoping he'd
record it, but I haven't seen anything.
Of the two Richters of No. 5, I prefer the earlier one by far.
RK
Frank Berger
Which fact I pointed out yesterday.
TareeDawg
> I am a huge fan of Nos. 1 and 2. I think the latter is Prokofiev's
> best piece in the genre. Here I like Bolet as well as Toradze/
> Gergiev.
I recently got the Beroff/Masur set of concertos, and fully agree about
No.1. It starts in tremendous fashion, and is maybe my favourite. No.5
doesn't however have the magic that Richter got from the piece.
Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
number_six
> On Apr 28, 3:57 pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 6:33 am, gperkins151 <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
> > > go the individual recording route.
>
>
>
> > Which complete cycles did you find disappointing?
>
> Ashkenazy/Previn was particularly disappointing. I thought the
> performance was dull and uninvolving. Beroff/Masur was better, but
> again lacked some excitement. Paik/Wit was my first and though I like
> it, I don't love it. I just figure that better performances are out
> there of these concertos.
>
Having only the Krainev set myself, I can't speak re the others, but
it sounds like you have some trade-ins on your hands.
You obviously like these works a good deal if you have been willing to
try three cycles. It seems the right decision to look for individual
favorites and find the performances that suit. There's a twenty year
span between the first and the fifth concerto, so Prokofiev was not
standing still here. Maybe different performers will have the
approach you like best for each one.
Andrew Rose
> On Apr 28, 9:33 am, gperkins151 <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
>> go the individual recording route.
>>
>> Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>>
>> George
>
> # 3 Argerich, Prokofieff himself
It just so happens that we're issuing Prokofiev's 1932 recording of his
3rd Concerto this week, coupled with his 1938 Romeo and Juliet Suite 2.
--
Andrew Rose
Pristine Classical: "The destination for people interested in historic
recordings..." (Gramophone)
Gerard
No, that was another fact.
Gerard
>
> I ordered the Richter PC 1, the Gutierrez PC 2, the composers PC 3 on
> Naxos (sale is already over at MDT), Serkin's PC 4 and I already have
> the two Richter PC 5s. Thanks to all who helped!
>
I think someone has mentioned the recording of concerto #3 by Kissin and Abbado
(DG).
And the one by Argerich and Dutoit (EMI).
But I haven't seen Argerich and Abbado (DG).
Nor Pletnev and Rostropovitch (also on DG, with Rachmaninow #2).
Still strong favorites.
gperkins151
Yes, I listened to Richter's performance with Kondrashin last night of
PC 1 and was blown away, confirming why I am pursuing the great
performances of these works.
George
Andy Evans
better than the Maazel one). There's also a Richter with Svetlanov
carving. Not great sound - radio broadcast - but a better performance
than Maazel to my ears. The Warsaw is the most spiky and lyrical.
Browning good, various good #2. Krainev a useful complete set.
Ashkenazy should be avoided, especially #3.
I think the Byron Janis #3 is pretty stunning - the sound is very
vivid and you hear all the passage work on the piano very clearly. I
listen to this over Argerich, Graffman, Browning and Kappel - good as
they are. The composers is hors concours - astonishing.
I've always had a secret desire to hear his Sonata 7 as a piano
concerto - If I had the time and ability I'd score it! I can hear it
in my head already.
andy
gperkins151
Yes, I have Janis in PC 3 the Rach 1 it is coupled with is my favorite
for that work. I never really listened to his Prokofiev PC 3, I shoul
do so soon. He's an incredible pianist.
George
O
<c79f0cec-f265-43b0...@q33g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
gperkins151 <gperk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's a wonder why Janis never achieved the uber-pianist stardom he so
rightfully should have had. (Not that anyone is ever guaranteed
anything, obviously.) He got pegged with "a student of Horowitz," and
seemed to have to live that down everywhere.
-Owen
Matthew�B.�Tepper
be typed in news:300420091536393342%ow...@denofinequityx.com:
> It's a wonder why Janis never achieved the uber-pianist stardom he so
> rightfully should have had. (Not that anyone is ever guaranteed anything,
> obviously.) He got pegged with "a student of Horowitz," and seemed to have
> to live that down everywhere.
If the press then had been as rotten as they are now, he would have been
pegged as "Gary Cooper's son-in-law."
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Dave Cook
> 4: Yundi Li/Ozawa
No one seems to have noted that Yundi Li and Ozawa recorded the 2nd
concerto, not the 4th. For shame! ;)
Dave Cook
Rugby
> O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
>
Did Janis invite his "reputation" by his repetoire choices, or did he
have much choice ?
I do have a live recording he made with Bernstein/NYPO of Mozart K.
488. I'll have to listen to tonight again.
Rugby
O
<5bd6a8d3-1104-48e8...@u39g2000pru.googlegroups.com>,
Rugby <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 2:38�pm, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
> >
>
> Did Janis invite his "reputation" by his repetoire choices, or did he
> have much choice ?
I can think of only one piece that would "invite a reputation," (for
Janis anyway) and that would be the Rach 3, which he did record with
Dorati.
In fact, this YouTube video of him describes him as "Horowitz' student
Byron Janis."
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkmMeEVN9s8>
The YouTube must have been in his Horowitz days, as you can plainly see
the similarity in playing style and technique - in particular the
sparse pedaling and staccato attacks so reminiscent of Horowitz.
-Owen
Curtis Croulet
> Janis anyway) and that would be the Rach 3, which he did record with
> Dorati.
Also with Munch.
--
Curtis Croulet
Temecula, California
33�27'59"N, 117�05'53"W
MiNe 109
O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> wrote:
>
> It's a wonder why Janis never achieved the uber-pianist stardom he so
> rightfully should have had. (Not that anyone is ever guaranteed
> anything, obviously.) He got pegged with "a student of Horowitz," and
> seemed to have to live that down everywhere.
There may have been hand injuries involved, but I don't know for sure.
Stephen
boombox
Janis had a hand injury as a youth, but later developed arthritis,
which hindered his career.
HvT
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Thanks for the URL. What a fascinating pianist!
Henk
Rugby
>
> Thanks for the URL. What a fascinating pianist!
>
For this thread, here is Janis in the Prokofieff 3rd :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn1LJPoYyxU&feature=related
There is also a recording with Bernstein/NYPO in a 5-cd "Bernstein
Live" commemorative set of the Mozart K.488. While the 1st mov.
suggests a pianist more at home in the big Romantic concerti, and the
slow mov. more verissimo than bel canto, still an interesting
performance which, unfortunately, thru some stroke of marketing genius
I do not believe has been released singly.
Rugby
Rugby
Byron Janis."
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkmMeEVN9s8>
>
> The YouTube must have been in his Horowitz days, as you can plainly see
> the similarity in playing style and technique - in particular the
> sparse pedaling and staccato attacks so reminiscent of Horowitz.
>
And here in the fianle of Rach 3 : www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcIRitW0XcM&feature=related
Rugby
Rugby
> What's your problem with Toradze/Gergiev? I thought it was pretty
> terrific.
>
Here is Toradze/Jarvi in # 5, but not good sound : www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps8wBzihuTA
In the liner notes to his recording , Hollander said the opening 30
seconds took him about 4 months to memorize. Unfortunately garbled on
this video, but Richter/Maazel # 5 is also at YT.FWW.
Rugby
O
<ea23cb86-e7d1-4bef...@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Rugby <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've re-listened to Gutierrez play the 2nd and 3rd. I still like the
Browning 2nd better, but I've a new appreciation for Gutierrez's 3rd.
It's one of the best played I've heard.
-Owen
Bob Lombard
Better than Ponti's 3rd? Is that really likely?
bl
jeffli...@hotmail.com
> After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
> go the individual recording route.
>
> Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>
> George
Three of my favorites have already been mentioned here: Frager/
Leibowitz in No. 2 (RCA LP), Francois/Cluytens in No. 3 and Francois/
Rowicki in No. 5 (both of those are in a 4-disc EMI CD set titled "Les
Introuvables de Samson Francois," Vol. 1). In No. 3, I'm also fond of
Uninsky/Otterloo (Epic LP) and Magaloff/Matacic (Disques Montaignes).
My favorite in No. 1 is the Kerer/Kondrashin (Multisonic; the coupled
Rach. PC2 - same forces - is also terrific). For No. 4, I most enjoy
the Vedernikov/Ginsburg (Melodiya LP, coupled with Anosov/Moscow Radio
in the Lt. Kije Suite).
Jeff Lipscomb
The Historian
> After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
> go the individual recording route.
>
> Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>
> George
I'm either fortunate or unfortunate, take your pick, that I came
across the Paik/Wit/PNSO set on Naxos early and found it satisfying
enough to not look further. That said, I prefer the composer in #3,
with Cliburn/Hendl/CSO a close, but very different, second. Graffman/
Szell/CO are probably my first choice in #1.
Based on this thread, and the price on Amazon, I've ordered the
Tacchino/de Froment/Radio Luxemburg SO set. I expect the sound to be
boomy Vox, and the orchestra to be a bit scrappy, but based on my
positive reaction to the Tacchino set of the Saint-Saens concertos I
should like this one.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
typed in news:95ddcaa2-1bfa-4023-b117-
a0f5fe...@d39g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
> Three of my favorites have already been mentioned here: Frager/Leibowitz in
> No. 2 (RCA LP)
All done in one take, which was all that the label was willing to give them,
Frager told me.
Kip Williams
> Based on this thread, and the price on Amazon, I've ordered the
> Tacchino/de Froment/Radio Luxemburg SO set. I expect the sound to be
> boomy Vox, and the orchestra to be a bit scrappy, but based on my
> positive reaction to the Tacchino set of the Saint-Saens concertos I
> should like this one.
I've always been happy with my copy of that set (mine also has his other
concerti in it as well). I finally added some different versions of the
5th, but not because that one doesn't deliver the thrills.
Kip W
Rugby
> \
Here 'tis, one take and all : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeuWYJUkMw
Rugby
Rugby
The Historian
The set I ordered is a Quadromania from Membran - they've reissued a
lot of Vox stuff under license. It has the 5 piano concertos, the
violin concertos (with Ricci) and Sinfonia Concertante, and 1996
recordings of Kije, Classical Symphony, and excerpts from Romeo and
Juliet by Simonov and the Royal Philharmonic. About 8 dollars,
including shipping.
O
Lombard <thorste...@vermontel.net> wrote:
I haven't heard Ponti, but I like Gutierrez 3 better than Piak, Kranev,
Browning, and Kapell (and probably some others that don't come to
mind).
-Owen
jeffli...@hotmail.com
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> typed in news:95ddcaa2-1bfa-4023-b117-
> a0f5fe93c...@d39g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Three of my favorites have already been mentioned here: Frager/Leibowitz in
> > No. 2 (RCA LP)
>
> All done in one take, which was all that the label was willing to give them,
> Frager told me.
>
> --
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Perhaps that's why the reading sounds so spontaneous. Charles Gerhardt
certainly captured it in stellar sound. Has this been re-issued yet on
CD?
Jeff Lipscomb
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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@d38g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
> On May 1, 9:40�am, Rugby <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 1, 9:30�am, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Here 'tis, one take and all : �http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeuWYJ
> UkMw
>
> And here : http://www.dccblowout.com/product.aspx?pf_id=22465
I'd rather buy a regularly-priced CD.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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432376...@v1g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> On May 1, 7:30�am, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> jefflipsc...@hotmail.com appears to have caused the following letters to
>> be typed in news:95ddcaa2-1bfa-4023-b117-
>> a0f5fe93c...@d39g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Three of my favorites have already been mentioned here:
>> > Frager/Leibowitz in No. 2 (RCA LP)
>>
>> All done in one take, which was all that the label was willing to give
>> them, Frager told me.
>
> Perhaps that's why the reading sounds so spontaneous. Charles Gerhardt
> certainly captured it in stellar sound. Has this been re-issued yet on
> CD?
Frager was not a purty gurl, so what do you think?
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Rugby
> All done in one take, which was all that the label was willing to give them,
> Frager told me.
One hell of a first take !! Wow,especially the big cadenza and 3rd
mov, but whole thing great, only 2nd mov. perhaps reflecting a little
ensemble unease ?
Rugby
number_six
> jefflipsc...@hotmail.com appears to have caused the following letters to be
> 432376139...@v1g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On May 1, 7:30 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> jefflipsc...@hotmail.com appears to have caused the following letters to
> >> be typed in news:95ddcaa2-1bfa-4023-b117-
> >> a0f5fe93c...@d39g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > Three of my favorites have already been mentioned here:
> >> > Frager/Leibowitz in No. 2 (RCA LP)
>
> >> All done in one take, which was all that the label was willing to give
> >> them, Frager told me.
>
> > Perhaps that's why the reading sounds so spontaneous. Charles Gerhardt
> > certainly captured it in stellar sound. Has this been re-issued yet on
> > CD?
>
> Frager was not a purty gurl, so what do you think?
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> My main music page ---http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
> To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
I didn't realize the DCC guy was still offering vinyl at those
outlandish prices. I'm a proud owner of his Bachelor's Den CD series,
of course.
Even if Frager's Prokofieff LP did not make it to CD, Frager did turn
up several weeks ago in a thread about John Knowles Paine, but that's
not much consolation to all the Prokofiev-fanciers reading this
thread.
Rugby
> Even if Frager's Prokofieff LP did not make it to CD, Frager did turn
> up several weeks ago in a thread about John Knowles Paine, but that's
> not much consolation to all the Prokofiev-fanciers reading this
> thread.
No one in Frager's Leventritt Competition class was awarded gold !!?
30-sec trivia ( dont cheat) : Who shared silver with him ?
Rugby
number_six
No idea -- I yield to the field.
Rugby
> On May 1, 6:04 pm, Rugby <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No one in Frager's Leventritt Competition class was awarded gold !!?
I may have mispoken. Apparently he did win the Leventritt in 1959,
with the Prok # 2, after 4 previous tries. It may have been the 1955
where he placed 2nd to Cliburn, and in 1957 no gold awarded anyone.
Anyone here know ?
www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,864057,00.html
Rugby
Rugby
No one in Frager's Leventritt Competition class was awarded gold !!?
I may be in error; yet he won Leventritt in 1959, but entered again
and only 2nd in 1960 ?!
From an Amazon review :
"I have purchased this pianist's dictionary for myself and friends,
and think it's wonderful. However, there are some notable omissions.
For example, the text mentions such notable American pianists like
Kenneth Amada, as a student of Isidor Phillip and Edward Steuermann,
but does not give him his own separate entry, as it does pianist
George Katz. Amada was a superior pianist to Katz, besting him in many
international competitions: including the Queen Elizabeth of Belgium
(where Amada made the finals and Katz was eliminated in the
semifinals) and Leventritt (where Amada bested among others Katz,
Sherman, Doppmann in the semifinals, before tying Malcolm Frager in
the final round (there was no first prize that year, since the judges
could not choose between Amada and Frager, the only other finalist).
In 1960 Leventritt did not issue a prize. The two finalists were
Malcolm Frager and Kenneth Amada, who had eliminated the
aforementioned pianists. Kenneth Amada not only studied with the two
teachers Hinson mentioned, but was like Charles Rosen, a student of
Moriz Rosenthal, Franz Liszt's last piano disciple, who also studied
with Johannes Brahms and Karol Mikuli (Chopin's piano disciple). He
played over 160 concerts in Europe, and quit the professional circuit
to teach graduate students at The University of Iowa, where he held
the chair of the piano department and retired professor emeritus. Of
course, Mr. Hinson's book is fabulous and is bound to include some
important omissions. Please let me offer this feedback for the next
reprint of the book, or next edition. No one text includes all the
terms. To supplement Hinson's book, I also recommend both the Oxford
and Harvard Dictionaries of Music. But please let me recommend Mr.
Maurice Hinson's book without reservation. It is an essential book
that everyone who plays piano must have. It contains translations of
piano terms used in French, Spanish, German, and Italian scores. It's
arranged alphabetically, and also includes brief biographies that are
useful. My one request is for Mr. Maurice Hinson to expand his
wonderful book to include such American prodigies and virtuosos as
Kenneth Amada, even though they turned away from professional playing
to teaching and reclusive lives. I would be happy to offer more
information if contacted. Thank you Mr. Hinson for a fabulous text. I
also recommend to readers Hinson's wonderful Guide to Pianist's
Repertoire, which is the most useful source of its kind."
Rugby
Rugby
And from Time Magazine:
June 21, 1991
Malcolm Frager, 56, Pianist, Dies; Recovered Classical Manuscripts
By BERNARD HOLLAND
Malcolm Frager, an American pianist whose music making and life style
steered a career path somewhat outside the ordinary in the music
world, died yesterday at the Berkshire Medical Center in Pittsfield,
Mass. He was 56 years old.
Mr. Frager was a Christian Scientist and his family declined to give
the cause of death, but he was reported to have been ill for about a
year. His most recent public appearances were in July with the
Baltimore Symphony under David Zinman's direction. Many concert dates
thereafter were canceled.
Mr. Frager's pianism was known more for stringent honesty than for any
attempt at ingratiation. James R. Oestreich, writing in The New York
Times about a 1990 recital at the 92d Street Y, called attention to
Mr. Frager's "bright lights and brittleness" and his use of
"formidable intelligence to make connections." The pianist consciously
stayed away from a large body of contemporary music and recorded less
frequently than others, and was known mainly for his deep interest in
Beethoven and Mozart and as a champion of the two Weber Piano
Concertos.
Mr. Frager was also a student of old musical manuscripts and forager
for them. Schumann and Tchaikovsky were two of his targets, and he was
also instrumental in the retrieval of a huge body of Mozart and
Beethoven manuscripts that were removed from Germany during World War
II and stored in Cracow, Poland. Down to the Farm
In 1969, Mr. Frager rejected the musician's life in New York City and
moved with his wife to a 70-acre farm in Lenox, Mass., barely a mile
from the Tanglewood Festival. He remained a busy member of the world
concert circuit, often spending as much as nine months of the year on
the road.
Malcolm Frager was born in St. Louis on Jan. 15, 1935. His father was
a hosiery wholesaler. At the age of 14, Mr. Frager persuaded his
family to send him to New York City, where he studied with the pianist
and teacher Carl Friedberg, whom he had heard play in 1948. Friedberg
had studied with Clara Schumann and rubbed shoulders with Mahler and
Brahms in a long career before the public, and he remained Mr.
Frager's teacher until his death in 1955. Mr. Frager's career was set
firmly in motion by two competition victories in successive years: the
Leventritt in New York in 1959 and the Queen Elisabeth in Brussels in
1960.
He is survived by his wife, Morag; a son, Andrew, of Lenox; a
daughter, Melanie, of New York City, and his parents, Florence and
Alfred Frager of St. Louis.
Photo: Malcolm Frager (The Winston-Salem Journal, 1985)
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rk
> > In article <e4f1de8c-1f3e-4f66-a7df-3176679b0...@v1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, v...@hotmail.com says...
> > On 28 huhti, 17:33, gperkins151 <gperkins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > After a few disappointing stabs at complete cycles, I have decided to
> > > go the individual recording route.
>
> > > Care to share your favorite recordings of each of the 5?
>
> > > George
>
> > (Chandos). This is the only recording of this pianist I have, but it
> > is far better than any No.2 I've heard (incl. pirate Volodos).
>
> Agreed, it's the one to have. Gutierrez seems to identify with the
> piece to an unusual degree.
Indeed, the way Gutierrez build up the first movement cadenza (what,
10 minutes?) is amazing. When the orchestra comes back at the end cold
shivers go trough me. With any other pianist, I hear only loud banging
without clear conception and direction of that magnificient cadenza.
Second concerto is by far my favourite of the Proko's concerti, for
some reason I don't care for third at all.
rk
Bob Lombard
Nope. One man horse; turned carnivorous.
bl
Rugby
Amazon announces that EMI is releasing a cd in June of Kissin/
Ashkenazy/Philharmonia in the 2nd and 3rd Concertos.
Regards, Rugby