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sca...@ix.netcom.com

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised --
the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from Atherton
since. What has happened to him?

An acquaintance of mine is of the opinion that Atherton is a charlatan.
What are the general feelings about his conducting?

PGoldst515

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His Kurt Weill disc doesn't sound like the work of a charlatan to me. Ditto
his Ligeti - these are fine discs.

I once heard a fabulous Sibelius 2 led by Atherton, I think with the BBC SO, on
the radio. I've always wondered if that performance was commercially
available.

Paul Goldstein

Jeremy Dimmick

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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If you think Michael Tippett's a charlatan, then Atherton probably is too,
because he's a pretty persuasive conductor of his music. There was a
commercial King Priam (1980, on Chandos - might they have done better with
Atherton than Richard Hickox on some of their more recent Tippett CDs?), and
a video production of The Midsummer Marriage a few years back - atrocious
production, but musically it held up to Colin Davis's set. He also recorded
The Ice-Break, but I loathe the piece too much to be able to comment on the
performance.

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Carter@marcopolo26.freeserve.co.uk Mr Carter

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Atherton like Elgar Howarth has been shamefully neglected by the record
companies and the low volume of new issues make a true presentation
doubtful.Both tend to concentrate on modern music which is unpopular at the
box office and with theold established companies.
I was pleased to see a pair of Howarth discs recently on Dacopo but in
general devotion to this kind of music probably means neither record company
or concert promoter will beat a path to ones door.Let us remember that both
composers come from a post war period where it seemed modern music had a
following and was promoted by the BBC.I have heard some fine Atherton
performances on the radio over the years.he never got the big recording
breaks. We must realise that our yardstick of worth is often distorted by
the availability of recordings and a good relationship with an A & R
manager is not a measure of ability, but maybe of servility..Lets look at
those other poorly represented conductors and artists whos scant
discography's we now cherish who were also ignored.
John Carter. Barsoom.

Audiophilia

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<sca...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:376D03...@ix.netcom.com...
> David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
> repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised --
> the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from Atherton
> since. What has happened to him?
>
> An acquaintance of mine is of the opinion that Atherton is a charlatan.
> What are the general feelings about his conducting?

The greatest Shostakovich Seventh Symphony I ever heard. Unbelievably
intense strings in the slow movement. BBC SO at the Proms some years ago.

Kind regards,

Anthony Kershaw, Editor/Publisher
@udiophilia - The Online Journal for the Serious Audiophile
http://www.audiophilia.com

An electronic publication of Audiophilia, Inc.


Tony Movshon

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sca...@ix.netcom.com writes:
> David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
> repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised --
> the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from Atherton
> since. What has happened to him?

Atherton conducts lean and well-shaped performances on a BBC Mag disk
from a couple of years back -- a Rite of Spring and Britten's 4 Sea
Interludes, inter alia. BBC NO of Wales, if memory serves, sounding
quite good. His low profile in recent years doesn't seem deserved.

Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
Center for Neural Science New York University

Jon A Conrad

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He's conducted more than one Britten opera at the Met in recent years, to
fine effect.

The "charlatan" charge seems to be a popular one to bring against
conductors; I've heard it hurled at a dozen or more famous ones over the
years.

Jon Alan Conrad
Department of Music
University of Delaware
con...@udel.edu

Allen and Linda Tyler

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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If Atherton is a charlatan, I cast my vote for more charlatans.
Allen Tyler

sca...@ix.netcom.com

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Allen and Linda Tyler seemed to sum it all up:

> If Atherton is a charlatan, I cast my vote for more charlatans.


Thanks to all for your feedback. I played the Ligeti disc shortly after
posting my original message, and I was quite pleased overall.
Getting to the composer: Ligeti's "Melodien" and Double Concerto strike
me as two of the most worthwhile 20th century works I have heard
recently. I am quite fond of Schoenberg's 'Klangfarben' period, and
these two Ligeti pieces reminded me of that style.

--scatterbrain

Curtis Croulet

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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As mentioned in another post, David Atherton has been for several years
Music Director of the Hong Kong Philharmonic. He was Music Director of the
San Diego Symphony before one of its periodic financial collapses. He is
still M.D. of the Mainly Mozart Festival in San Diego, which is going on
right now, I believe. Their performance last year of Wagner's Siegfried
Idyll was issued on a recent BBC Music CD, coupled with Faure's Requiem by
Atherton and the Hong Kong Phil.
--
Curtis Croulet
Temecula, California

Curtis Croulet

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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I might add that the third-hand info I have from San Diego musicians is that
he's no "charlatan." He was considered rather demanding, and, as so often
with demanding conductors, disliked by some in the orchestra -- but no one
seems to doubt his ability. When he first came to San Diego I remember
being impressed that it was the first time I'd heard that orchestra play a
genuine pianissimo.

Irene

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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He has been the Music Director of The Hong Kong Philharmonic Orchestra since
1989.

Apparently he led the Orchestra on Tours to many places (though mainly Asia)
including North America in 1995.


sca...@ix.netcom.com 寫道:

> David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
> repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised --
> the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from Atherton
> since. What has happened to him?
>

DanSar

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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Excellent conductor of 20th century music. His Schoenberg, Janacek, Ligeti and
Birthwistle are outstanding.
Daniel

Tony Movshon wrote:

> sca...@ix.netcom.com writes:
> > David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
> > repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised --
> > the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from Atherton
> > since. What has happened to him?
>

Rajeev Aloysius

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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In article <376D03...@ix.netcom.com>,

sca...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
> repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised -
-
> the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from
Atherton
> since. What has happened to him?
>
> An acquaintance of mine is of the opinion that Atherton is a
charlatan.
> What are the general feelings about his conducting?
>
Sir David Atherton is definitely not a charlatan. He was conducting the
Hong Kong Philharmonic, improving its standard tremendously. My
favourite recording (and he is indeed back in the studio now), is
Schubert's Mass No 4 in C, on the Decca label, a most beautiful and
well-paced performance with the ASMF.
--
Rajeev Aloysius
raj...@starmail.com
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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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I just saw Atherton conduct in a concert that included the
Schoenberg chamber version of Das Lied von der Erde last
weekend. He's well and seems to have a busy international
schedule.

Trust your own ears -- Atherton is no charlatan. On the
contrary, his fame has yet to match his talent.

J


In article <376D03...@ix.netcom.com>,
sca...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> David Atherton made several recordings for Decca, 20th century
> repertoire, and I picked up a Ligeti disc yesterday. I was surprised
--
> the recording dates from the mid-70s, and we haven't heard from
Atherton
> since. What has happened to him?
>
> An acquaintance of mine is of the opinion that Atherton is a
charlatan.
> What are the general feelings about his conducting?
>

ManrayHawk

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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David Atherton first made a name for himself as a conductor of the London
Sinfonietta, London's premiere new music ensemble (The LS has recorded Carter
with Knussen, Berio with Berio, etc.). In particular, Atherton was responsible
for organizing several major retrospectives, including a Stravinsky
retrospective, a Webern/Schubert retrospective, a Schoenberg retrospective, and
a Boulez retrospecitve, all in the early 80's. He made absolutely sensational
recordings of Stravinsky's Agon and Berg's Kammerkonzert for Argo and a
compilation of Schoenberg's works originally released on 4 LP's. A bit of the
Schoenberg has been reissued on CD. He was offered the musical directorship of
one of the smaller California orchestras -- San Diego? Oakland? -- and
accepted, although various friends had told him that it would ruin his career.
Don't know if he is still there.

-david gable

Irene

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Jun 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/22/99
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Yep, he was the M.D. of the San Diego Symphony Orchestra from 1980 to 1987 .
Then he founded the M.M.F. in 1989 and returns to direct each summer. He also
held titled positions with several UK based Orchestras.

As for the HKPO, it made two recordings of Igor Stravinsky and Kurt Weill and
its recording of Tan Dun's Symphony 1997 was released worldwide in July 1997.

I have actually been to quite a few HKPO concerts under his baton (since end of
1997), and I definitely think it has improved a lot since I left HK (i.e. just
over ten years ago).
Especially when comparing with the concerts held under the Resident Conductor,
Yip Wing-Sie, David Atherton is by far better and more enjoyable.

Frankly, i don't think he is a "charlatan" either, I reckon he is pretty good.
He really gives the HKPO some kind of future. I am very impressed with the
orchestra, but only under his baton and will not listen to any other local
conductors.
(Sorry for me being biased.)

Curtis Croulet wrote :

Kenneth Ho

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Jun 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/22/99
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He is conducting the "Cello Festival" to be held in 3 weekends starting
25 June 1999. Lynn Harrell will play the Bach 6 cello suites, 6 chamber works
and 6 concertos in the 6 concerts.

(the concertos are Dvorak's, Beethoven Triple, Haydn C, Elgar, Tchaikovsky
Rococo and Shostakovich #1). For further info go to http://www.hkpo.com

A big event for us!


Ken

Don Drewecki

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David Atherton conducted, at either the 1984 or 85 BBC Proms, a stunning
performance of Walton's First Symphony. Brilliant in every way, full of
energy and power. I personally urged the editor of BBC Music Magazine
to issue this on a CD, but they issued, a few years later, another
performance that was nowhere as good as this one.
--
Don Drewecki
<dre...@rpi.edu>

Curtis Croulet

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>David Atherton conducted, at either the 1984 or 85 BBC Proms, a stunning
>performance of Walton's First Symphony. Brilliant in every way, full of
>energy and power

He did this with the San Diego Symphony around the same time. It matched
your description.

Kenneth Ho

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Curtis Croulet (curt...@pe.net) wrote:
: >David Atherton conducted, at either the 1984 or 85 BBC Proms, a stunning

we are lucky of having him residing in Hong Kong for regular
performances.

Ken

Michael Lee

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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Irene wrote:

> Frankly, i don't think he is a "charlatan" either, I reckon he is pretty
> good. He really gives the HKPO some kind of future. I am very impressed
> with the orchestra, but only under his baton and will not listen to any
> other local conductors.

The upcoming season (1999/2000) will be his last season in Hong Kong. Yes,
he raised the standard of the HKPO, but I am afraid that he has lost
interest in it already. His concerts are becoming more and more routine in
recent years. Besides, the players do not like him that much. It is really
the time for a change.


Michael Lee
________________________________________
Guide to Classical Music in Hong Kong
http://home.netvigator.com/~leeji/guide/

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