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mswd...@gmail.com
Mar 12, 2021, 10:14:17 AM3/12/21
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When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
MiNe109
Mar 12, 2021, 10:58:06 AM3/12/21
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Replacement? Berlioz complete sets aren't too common but the "first-rate
conductor of second-rate music" quip is too good not to repeat even
though I'm sympathetic to the efforts necessary.
A box of his jazz recordings with Ray Brown and others would be welcome.
Herman
Mar 12, 2021, 11:17:44 AM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 4:14:17 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
>
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
Previn's Tchaikovsky ballet music on EMI used to be staples; I have had them too, on vinyl. At some point in time I began to notice how sloppy the playing was. Clearly the LSO was playing this on autopilot.
> When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
>
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
The Vaughan Williams 5 is regarded as an evergreen, but the hollywood '1000 violins' sound sounds very dated to me, and I think that's what Previn is. A seventies conductor.
gggg gggg
Mar 12, 2021, 11:57:17 AM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 4:14:17 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
> >
> > Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
> Previn's Tchaikovsky ballet music on EMI used to be staples; I have had them too, on vinyl. At some point in time I began to notice how sloppy the playing was. Clearly the LSO was playing this on autopilot...
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 4:14:17 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
> >
> > Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/I_3hXaXuIOc/m/Yc-0whFIBQAJ
westover
Mar 12, 2021, 4:25:59 PM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 10:14:17 AM UTC-5, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
>
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
I just know Previn's EMI output from the discs he did with Perlman - they are nice. What I really like with these Warner boxes is the top notch remastering for the analog recordings. I haven't looked into this one much but I am guessing that it is a "full service" production in that regard.
> When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
>
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
-Mike
Néstor Castiglione
Mar 12, 2021, 5:03:21 PM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
>
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
It depends, I suppose, on how old the individual collector is. If you've been collecting since the 1970s or earlier, chances are you've heard or own most of these recordings, thereby reducing the attractiveness of this present box. For someone like myself, however, who is probably a bit younger than the average obsessive classical music collector and, as a result, may have missed some of these recordings, the opportunity to have them all in a single, well-remastered set is very appealing indeed. A lot of these recordings, too, are not exactly easy to come by, at least not anymore. Previn's take on Prokofiev 5 and 7 and Shostakovich 6, 10, and 13 have been MIA on CD for years now. (These were all reissued in the past decade in Japan, however.) His version of Holst's The Planets seems hard to come by too. The only version I can find is a very expensive SACD reissue from Tower Records Japan.
> When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
>
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
I guess it also depends on one's budget, which may lead some people to prefer being more selective with their purchases. Gratefully, I will gladly acquire this Previn box on day of release and still have enough to purchase potential Mitropoulos, Leinsdorf, or (dare I dream?) Koussy boxes, as well as a good deal else.
Néstor Castiglione
Mar 12, 2021, 5:10:05 PM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
Aside from Currentzis, whose work is fresh and provocative even when I may not necessarily agree with his results, conductors today are so bland. I wish we still had conductors like Previn at his best today.
MELMOTH
Mar 12, 2021, 5:31:50 PM3/12/21
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Après mûre réflexion, mswd...@gmail.com a écrit :
Previn was a good conductor....But most of the time, he doesn't have
much to say...I would compare him to Maazel...Both of them great
technicians with the baton...Both of them having made very good but
RARE recordings...
Light years away from Ormandy !...
> Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here
> is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have
> already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the
> value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it
> in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of
> merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will
> hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I
> shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
You should!...
> is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have
> already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the
> value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it
> in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of
> merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will
> hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I
> shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
Previn was a good conductor....But most of the time, he doesn't have
much to say...I would compare him to Maazel...Both of them great
technicians with the baton...Both of them having made very good but
RARE recordings...
Light years away from Ormandy !...
Randy Lane
Mar 12, 2021, 6:41:09 PM3/12/21
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Don't make the mistske of expecting these latest boxes to be like the Barbiroli and Cluytens boxes, both of those featuring substantial remastering done specifically for the new box.
gggg gggg
Mar 12, 2021, 8:36:30 PM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-8, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
> >
> > Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
> It depends, I suppose, on how old the individual collector is. If you've been collecting since the 1970s or earlier, chances are you've heard or own most of these recordings, thereby reducing the attractiveness of this present box. For someone like myself, however, who is probably a bit younger than the average obsessive classical music collector and, as a result, may have missed some of these recordings, the opportunity to have them all in a single, well-remastered set is very appealing indeed. A lot of these recordings, too, are not exactly easy to come by, at least not anymore. Previn's take on Prokofiev 5 and 7 and Shostakovich 6, 10, and 13 have been MIA on CD for years now. (These were all reissued in the past decade in Japan, however.) His version of Holst's The Planets seems hard to come by too...
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
> >
> > Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
He made 2 recordings of that:
https://petersplanets.wordpress.com/
Néstor Castiglione
Mar 12, 2021, 8:41:53 PM3/12/21
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Oscar
Mar 12, 2021, 8:51:24 PM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 2:03:21 PM, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
>
> A lot of these recordings, too, are not exactly easy to come by, at least not anymore. Previn's take on Prokofiev 5 and 7 and Shostakovich 6, 10, and 13 have been MIA on CD for years now. (These were all reissued in the past decade in Japan, however.)
Last summer, Electric Recording Company in London reissued Previn's Shostakovich Symphony No.13 'Babi Yar' for £450.
>
> A lot of these recordings, too, are not exactly easy to come by, at least not anymore. Previn's take on Prokofiev 5 and 7 and Shostakovich 6, 10, and 13 have been MIA on CD for years now. (These were all reissued in the past decade in Japan, however.)
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gggg gggg
Mar 12, 2021, 8:54:58 PM3/12/21
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 5:41:53 PM UTC-8, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-8, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
> > > >
> > > > Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
> > > It depends, I suppose, on how old the individual collector is. If you've been collecting since the 1970s or earlier, chances are you've heard or own most of these recordings, thereby reducing the attractiveness of this present box. For someone like myself, however, who is probably a bit younger than the average obsessive classical music collector and, as a result, may have missed some of these recordings, the opportunity to have them all in a single, well-remastered set is very appealing indeed. A lot of these recordings, too, are not exactly easy to come by, at least not anymore. Previn's take on Prokofiev 5 and 7 and Shostakovich 6, 10, and 13 have been MIA on CD for years now. (These were all reissued in the past decade in Japan, however.) His version of Holst's The Planets seems hard to come by too...
> >
> > He made 2 recordings of that:
> >
> > https://petersplanets.wordpress.com/
> I meant the EMI one, of course...
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-8, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > When Sony-RCA release All Ormandy's mono recordings, that is easy for me- the performances are likely fine, the orchestra notable, and the recordings have been hard to come by or not available at all for as long as I can remember.
> > > >
> > > > Previn's EMI archive is something I'm less clear on. My starting guess here is that these are recordings that are fairly easy to come by. Many have already been remastered several times in individual releases. What is the value of the box? Economy, yes. But is there anything to it that elevates it in the sense of "collectors" have been wanting this for ages instead of merely collecting a bunch of stuff we already have access to (and which will hit the used market at even lower prices once the box appears?) Tell me why I shouldn't just save my money for a Mitropoulos or Leinsdorf box.
> > > It depends, I suppose, on how old the individual collector is. If you've been collecting since the 1970s or earlier, chances are you've heard or own most of these recordings, thereby reducing the attractiveness of this present box. For someone like myself, however, who is probably a bit younger than the average obsessive classical music collector and, as a result, may have missed some of these recordings, the opportunity to have them all in a single, well-remastered set is very appealing indeed. A lot of these recordings, too, are not exactly easy to come by, at least not anymore. Previn's take on Prokofiev 5 and 7 and Shostakovich 6, 10, and 13 have been MIA on CD for years now. (These were all reissued in the past decade in Japan, however.) His version of Holst's The Planets seems hard to come by too...
> >
> > He made 2 recordings of that:
> >
> > https://petersplanets.wordpress.com/
(What someone said about his EMI recording):
- I was in a discussion with my dad about his experience of The Planets and he told me his favourite had always been Andre Previn’s first recording. I wondered what he saw in it since my experience of it (from Spotify) was that it wasn’t that exciting. For some reason Spotify only has a couple of tracks from Previn/LSO but the whole album of the (inferior) Previn/RPO.
He then played me his vinyl copy of the Hi-Q Supercuts vinyl release of Previn/LSO. I was blown away.
It’s a hell of a recording. It’s one to be listened to loud and for the first time ever, I might prefer the analogue version to the CD copy. Not that there’s too much difference, mind you, the vinyl one seems to have a bit more punch down low, or maybe the CD’s treble is boosted a little. I’m not bothered either way.
If you gave it another go with fresh ears, I reckon your opinion might change a bit. Mars is brutal, an absolute ripper of a start but doesn’t lose its head and a good speed. I feel like anywhere from 7.00 to 7.40 is a good time for Mars. Venus is really nice and delicate and Mercury flits about nicely without getting too jumpy. It’s played quite smoothly. The violin sound is lovely. Jupiter has one of the best Big Tunes I’ve ever heard. Saturn is almost 10 minutes but I still enjoy it. Uranus is almost 2 and a half minutes quicker than my favourite, Groves/RPO. It’s certainly different but really fun. Neptune is on the shorter end of Neptunes I’ve heard and liked.
I’d put it up close to reference sound quality, too. The balance is just right. It’s never gonna be as analytical and crisp as something as a brand new digital recording but it’s as good as I can expect out of a magnetic tape recording. It sound better to me than the other 1970s recordings like Mehta/LAPO, which is great but in a different way. Something about Previn and the LSO is absolutely bang on the money for me.
So, if you have time, I’d invite you to give Andre and his merry men another try. I do hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
https://petersplanets.wordpress.com/
westover
Mar 12, 2021, 10:33:35 PM3/12/21
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-Mike
ps one way you can tell if nice remastering has been done is if they offer the disc and/or set on sites like Qobuz in hi-def.
Graham
Mar 13, 2021, 11:00:54 AM3/13/21
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