Czech Philharmonic recommendations
Andy Evans
to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
samir ghiocel golescu
Among the many recommandable CPO recs., the Supraphon post--war Dvorjak
Eighth with Talich.
regards,
Samir
Larry Friedman
Andy Evans wrote:
> Would anyone like to run through the really great recordings done by this
> orchestra? Andy
>
> I've just done some Deja News scouring, which suggests:
>
> With Ancerl:-
> Janacek - Glagolitic Mass, Sinfonietta
> Kabelac - "The Mystery of Time"
> Dvorak - Symphony 9, Orfeo
> Brahms Symphonies 1,2
> Smetana - Ma Vlast, Supraphon
> Tschaikowsky - PC 1 with Richter, Supraphon
> Shostokovich 5,7,9 1967 live recording Praga 2CD
> Mendlessohn, Berg, Bruch Vcs Josef Suk Supraphon
> Rachmaninov Symph. 3
>
> There is apparently a Tahra box containing:
> : Mozart 38: Brahms 1
> : Smetana "Sarka"
> : Sibelius "Pohjola"
> : Sibelius 1
> : Martinu 6
> : Dvorak- Sym. Variations
> : Dvorak 9
> : La Moldeau
> : Igor S./Le Sacre
> : Mussorg/Ravel "Pictures"
> : Ravel/Bolero
> : Smetana/My Fatherland (complete)
> : Mahler/ Kindertotenlieder
> : Janacek/Teras Bulba
> : Prokofiev/ R&J Suite 1
>
> With Talich
> Dvorak - Symphonies ?6,7,8
Andy,
Really, ANYTHING conducted by Talich is a treasure. As much as I like Ancerl,
Talich was a far greater conductor. Yes, his Dvorak symphonies were
magnificent (Koch has released them on CD, and they sound just fine), but
don't forget the Slavonic Dances, Smetana's Ma Vlast, Tchakovsky's
Pathetique, and so on. Get anything with Talich!
All the best,
-Larry
George Murnu
>
> I just got the CPO Ancerl recording of the Dvorak New World as recommended
> to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
> comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
> this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
> Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
> like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
Anything by Talich and, since you liked Ancerl's Dvorak's 9, get his Ma
Vlast ( sp? ) As much as I like Kubelik's reading, Ancerl's Ma Vlast is
my favorite post-Talich reading.
Regards,
George
Ramon Khalona
Would anyone
> like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra?
There are really a lot of good recordings by them, of which I can
recommend the following starter discs:
-Kubelik's Ma Vlast from 1990
-Dvorak late symphonic poems, with Chalabala (do not miss this!)
-Dvorak symphonies 7 and 8 (Talich, 1930s on Koch)
- Brahms 4th with Fischer-Dieskau conducting
- Janacek's Glagolitic Mass coupled with Kabelac's "Mystery of Time"
and "Hamlet Improvisation" (all with Ancerl)
....
--
Ramon Khalona "Die Sechste ist die Keckste"
Carlsbad, California - Anton Bruckner -
Andy Evans
Atoddk
[snip]
> I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
>Ancerl.
If only everyone would come to that realization!
>Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
>like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra?
I haven't seen it named yet in the follow-ups, so here's one: The Dvorak
Requiem with Ancerl conducting the Czech Phil, soloists Stader, Borg, et al, on
a DG Double. It doesn't seem adequate to say that it's the last word on this
work, or even one of the seminal Dvorak recordings in the catalog -- I think it
has a place among the finest recorded performances of anything. The Domine Jesu
is intoxicating.
Todd K
PGoldst515
A few that come to mind:
Smetana Ma Vlast with both Talich (1950ish version preferred) and Kubelik.
Talich's Janacek, Novak, Suk, and Dvorak cello concerto with Rostropovich. (I
actually do not much like Talich's Dvorak - flame away.)
Ancerl's recordings of Bartok Concerto for Orchestra and Janacek Glagolitic
Mass, Sinfonietta, and Taras Bulba; also a wonderful Praga disc with Beethoven
5 and Violin Concerto (Szeryng). And Brahms Double Concerto with Suk and
Navarra.
Neumann's Suk Asrael and Schumann Concerto with Moravec.
Paul Goldstein
Simon Roberts
: Would anyone like to run through the really great recordings done by this
: orchestra? Andy
I don't think anyone's mentioned Matacic's Eroica or Ancerl's Mahler 9
yet; I don't know about "really great", but they're performances I admire
considerably -- as I do Neumann's controversially fast, relatively
light-toned, Mahler 2 (Supraphon, not the more conventional remake on
Canyon; not much of his other Mahler either).
Simon
A S Graham
In article <36b39...@news1.mcmail.com>, "Andy Evans"
<arts.ps...@cwcom.net> writes:
>
>I just got the CPO Ancerl recording of the Dvorak New World as recommended
>to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
>comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
>this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
>Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
>Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
>like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
>
>
I've never been disappointed by Ancerl conducting the Czech Phil. Their Brahms
1 is excellent. So is their Mahler 9. It has been mentioned already but I'd
like to add my praise for the Dvorak Requiem w/ Ancerl and Kubelik's Ma Vlast.
_________________________________________________
Scott Graham
Monterey, CA
David M. Cook
wrote:
>Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
>like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
Aside from those already mentioned:
Dvorak tone poems conducted by Chalabala. The playing here is not
particularly refined, and the sound is a little dried out compared to the
LPs, but it's still magical.
Martinu symphonies conducted by Neumann. I can imagine this music played
with more emotional abandon, but it's hare to imagine them played with more
rhythmic elan.
Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet excertps conducted by Ancerl.
Dave Cook
Marc Perman
>
>There is apparently a Tahra box containing:
>: Mozart 38: Brahms 1
>: Smetana "Sarka"
>: Sibelius "Pohjola"
>: Sibelius 1
>: Martinu 6
>: Dvorak- Sym. Variations
>: Dvorak 9
>: La Moldeau
>: Igor S./Le Sacre
>: Mussorg/Ravel "Pictures"
>: Ravel/Bolero
>: Smetana/My Fatherland (complete)
>: Mahler/ Kindertotenlieder
>: Janacek/Teras Bulba
>: Prokofiev/ R&J Suite 1
>
between 1956 and 1967. Primarily mono recordings, good if not superb
sound. The highlights for me are the Sibelius 1st, Martinu 6th, New
World, Ma Vlast, and Prokofiev R&J suite. This set is 7 discs for the
price of 4.
Tahra has devoted a lot of disc space to Ancerl with other orchestras
as well. The "Edition Karel Ancerl" Vol. 1 is a highlight, which
includes very fine performances of the Schubert 9th, complete Dvorak
Slavonic Dances, and R-K's Sheherazade, with the Berlin Radio Symphony
and the Leipzig Gewandhaus.
Marc Perman
khows...@zdnetmail.com
"Andy Evans" <arts.ps...@cwcom.net> wrote:
> I just got the CPO Ancerl recording of the Dvorak New World as recommended
> to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
> comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
> this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
> Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
> like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
Lovro von Matacic's recording of the Eroica came out in the late 50's and is
sporadically available on Supraphon. Josef Suk's recording of the Dvorak
Violin Concerto pretty well stands peerless in my books (admitting that I
haven't heard them all).
K. Howson-Jan
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Alan Cooper
>I just got the CPO Ancerl recording of the Dvorak New World as recommended
>to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
>comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
>this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
>Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
>Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
>like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
Haven't had much time to post lately, and mostly I'll just add my
"amen" to the chorus of praise for Talich and Ancerl, as well as
Chalabala's Dvorak. The Czech Philharmonic's most exciting Janacek
recordings of all probably by none of the above. Rather, Bakala's,
conveniently available on Arlecchino via Berkshire. Also the
incredible Navarra/Stupka Dvorak 'Cello Concerto, which leaves the
hallowed Rostropovich/Talich in the shade, as far as I'm concerned.
Also the famous recordings of Martinu's Double Concerto and Symphony
#3 conducted by Karel Sejna are worth seeking out. And perhaps
someone should mention that Jiri Belohlavek is no slouch! His Martinu
recordings for with the Czech Philharmonic for Chandos are superb. I
particularly recommend the 'Cello Concerti and the Symphony #6 for
starters. And you don't have to put up with "historical" sound,
either.
AC
Tony Movshon
amco...@ix.netcom.com (Alan Cooper) writes:
> "Andy Evans" <arts.ps...@cwcom.net> wrote:
> >I just got the CPO Ancerl recording of the Dvorak New World as recommended
> >to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
> >comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
> >this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
> >Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
> >Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
> >like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
>
> Haven't had much time to post lately, and mostly I'll just add my
> "amen" to the chorus of praise for Talich and Ancerl, as well as
> Chalabala's Dvorak.
Agreed. I also very much like a couple of Supraphon disks of Dvorak
(Slavonic Dances, Legends, etc) from the mid-to-late 50s conducted by
Karel Sejna. I also agree with Alan's favorable comments about
Behlolavek's recordings. The only conductor who seems to be able to make
the Czechs seem downright dull is Neumann.
--
Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
Center for Neural Science New York University
Rick Fethers
Sejna...Supraphon ALP(S)135...awesome.
Rick
David M. Cook wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:55:13 -0000, Andy Evans <arts.ps...@cwcom.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone
> >like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra? Andy
>
Alrod
PLP-110) as well as Fournet's La Mer/3 Nocturnes (Supraphon ST 50575)
and Iberia/Rondes de Printemps/3-Cornered Hat (Supraphon ST 50614, all
LPs).
Considering the French architectural influence on Prague, we should
not be surprised.
Anybody ever heard Antonio Pedrotti?
Alrod
Richard Schultz
: The Czech Philharmonic's most exciting Janacek
: recordings of all probably by none of the above. . . .
Am I really the only one out here who admires the old Serge Baudo/CPO
Honegger set of the symphonies and tone poems? (I have the Supraphon
vinyl -- don't know if these ever came out on CD.)
-----
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Lani Spahr
>
> Anybody ever heard Antonio Pedrotti?
>
IIRC, he's the conductor on my Parliament LP of Prokofiev's Sym #7 with
the CPO, and a fine one it is, IMO.
--
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Cheers,
Lani Spahr
Bruckner Symphony Versions Discography
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/reingold
David Grayshan
father).
AFAIK Pedrotti is the conductor of a Respighi disc and maybe some other
stuff.
Regards,
David.
Lani Spahr
>
> I think you may be mistaken, that was Nicolai Anosov (Roshdestvensky's
> father).
Ah, yes, right you are! (still a good performance though, without the
alternate loud ending that we usually get)
> AFAIK Pedrotti is the conductor of a Respighi disc and maybe some other
> stuff.
I know I've got some of them. Which one's, I don't remember though.
David Grayshan
(authentic) quiet ending with the percussion glittering away in a frozen
toccata-like rythm, like the stars of a bitter Russian night......
Very suggestive and not at all Soviet/Optimistic/Bombastic, so I understand
that Prokofiev felt that he had to cover his gluteus maximus (that's "ass"
to some) from the attacks of the likes of Khrennikov, by allowing a version
with the "upbeat" ending.
Pretty false and hollow it sounds to me, too, in comparison with the
original.
I think that the "real" Prokofiev is found in the 3rd. Symphony, the 2nd.
Piano Concerto, the Violin Concertos (yes, both) and the Scythian Suite:
even the more famous 5th. Symphony, 3rd. Piano Concerto and Romeo & Juliet
don't appeal as much as these.
Other opinions?
Regards,
David.
Simon Roberts
: You're not the only one. Marvellous performances on very very badly pressed
: Czech LP's. I don't know if they are on CD.
Supraphon 11 1566, according to Schwann; I don't know if it's still
around, but it used to be when I sold the things a few years ago.
Simon
Georg Tintner
: Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well?
Dvorak Cello Concerto with Rostropovich/Talich. Rostropovich is good but
not outstanding; the real glory is the unbelievably colourful and
characterful orchestral accompaniment.
Tanya Tintner
j
>
>
> ... and Matacic's Bruckner 8 [a lean but mean Nowak on 1 cd]
sorry, forgot this was with the NHK Symph
>
>
> John M
Jan Klerk
Richard Schultz heeft geschreven in bericht
<793hng$jbk$3...@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>...
>Alan Cooper (amco...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>Am I really the only one out here who admires the old Serge Baudo/CPO
>Honegger set of the symphonies and tone poems? (I have the Supraphon
>vinyl -- don't know if these ever came out on CD.)
>
>-----
>Richard Schultz
You're not the only one. Marvellous performances on very very badly pressed
Czech LP's. I don't know if they are on CD.
Jan Klerk
jkl...@wxs.nl
mtan...@hotmail.com
> I don't think anyone's mentioned Matacic's Eroica or Ancerl's Mahler 9
> yet; I don't know about "really great", but they're performances I admire
> considerably -- as I do Neumann's controversially fast, relatively
> light-toned, Mahler 2 (Supraphon, not the more conventional remake on
> Canyon; not much of his other Mahler either).
>
> Simon
>
... and Matacic's Bruckner 8 [a lean but mean Nowak on 1 cd] and
possibly my favourite Ancerl, his Janacek Sinfonietta.
Marc Perman
>Jan Klerk (jkl...@wxs.nl) wrote:
>
>: You're not the only one. Marvellous performances on very very badly pressed
>: Czech LP's. I don't know if they are on CD.
>
>Supraphon 11 1566, according to Schwann; I don't know if it's still
>around, but it used to be when I sold the things a few years ago.
The CD transfers are first rate, and I believe these are still in
print. Speaking of which, does Supraphon have a deletions policy? It
seems like everything they've put out on CD is still available
(alright, perhaps the single disc of Rusalka excerpts is OOP). A
particular Supraphon's unavailability may have more to do with the
practices of the importer.
Marc Perman
Simon Roberts
: The CD transfers are first rate, and I believe these are still in
: print. Speaking of which, does Supraphon have a deletions policy? It
: seems like everything they've put out on CD is still available
: (alright, perhaps the single disc of Rusalka excerpts is OOP). A
: particular Supraphon's unavailability may have more to do with the
: practices of the importer.
I don't know about "policy", but they certainly do delete discs -- not
only discs but whole lines. (Remember that "Crystal" series which was
sued out of existence in the U.S. by Crystal Records?) Many return, but
some have not -- Suk Trio early Archduke, for instance, seems unavailable
right now. They also seem to have licensed some recordings for a while to
an English company called Counterpoint, which released inter alia
Fischer-Dieskau's wonderful Brahms 4 (damned by Richard Osborne for not
having the proper Brahmsian sound); these vanished long ago. I wish some
of them, like the Brahms, would return so more people can hear them.
Simon
Simon Roberts
: >
: > ... and Matacic's Bruckner 8 [a lean but mean Nowak on 1 cd]
: sorry, forgot this was with the NHK Symph
That's OK; substitute his 5th!
Simon
David M. Cook
>Anybody ever heard Antonio Pedrotti?
There's a Suprophon disk with Pedrotti conducting La Boutique fantasque.
Really delightful.
Dave Cook
David Grayshan
approval to Baudo to do all 5 symphonies after the release of the first
disc of the series.
Don't know how trustworthy this second-hand report is, though!
Regards,
David.
Michael A. Abelson
yet):
Lach Dances with Waldhans
Mozart Sinfonia Concertante with Josef Suk and an unusually expansive Kurt
Redel conducting
Scheherezade conducted by Danon - great playing by Rudy Beranek (horn) and
Bruno Belcik (concertmaster)
Carnival Overture with Ancerl - dynamite timpani, very profound middle
section
Sejna doing the Slavonic Dances - absolutely unique rubatos and hesitations
in the polkas - Echt Czech
Sejna doing Novak Slovak Suite and Marysa
Bartok Concerto for Orch. - Ancerl
Mike Abelson
http://members.tripod.com/~Classical_Mike/home.htm
J.Klerk
Andy Evans heeft geschreven in bericht <36b39...@news1.mcmail.com>...
Would anyone
>like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra?
Andy
>
>
Neuman conducting. The performance of the Sinfonietta is one of my
favourites.
Jan Klerk
jkl...@wxs.nl
Tony Movshon
"J.Klerk" <obt...@tref.nl> writes:
> Andy Evans heeft geschreven in bericht <36b39...@news1.mcmail.com>...
> Would anyone
> >like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra?
> >
> Neuman conducting. The performance of the Sinfonietta is one of my
> favourites.
True, but it's not the Czech PO. I think it's the SWF Orchestra.
Jan Klerk
mtangent
J.Klerk wrote:
> Andy Evans heeft geschreven in bericht <36b39...@news1.mcmail.com>...
> Would anyone
> >like to run through the really great recordings done by this orchestra?
> Andy
> >
> >
> There is a beautifully recorded live Janacek disk on budget Arte Nova with
> Neuman conducting. The performance of the Sinfonietta is one of my
> favourites.
>
> Jan Klerk
> jkl...@wxs.nl
I have the Supraphon recording with Neuman doing both the Sinfonietta and
Taras Bulba.
These are among the best I've heard. I'll rank Ancerl's Sinfonietta slightly
higher, but I have the [wonderful] bias of having experienced most of Ancerl's
concerts during his last years in Toronto.
Cheers,
John M
John T. Farrell
Vaclav Smetacek. I have them on LP: Burana on Parliament, Catulli
Carmina on Crossroads 20th Century, Aphrodite on Supraphon. I don't
know if they've been reissued.
B.J.C.
khows...@zdnetmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <36b39...@news1.mcmail.com>,
> "Andy Evans" <arts.ps...@cwcom.net> wrote:
> > I just got the CPO Ancerl recording of the Dvorak New World as recommended
> > to me in a recent thread and it is all I could want it to be (and
> > comprehensively better than his version with the Vienna Symphony). Putting
> > this recording together with a long - time favourite, Janacek's Glagolitic
> > Mass, I realise that I should be listening to more of the Czech Phil. and
> > Ancerl. Or maybe I should go further back to Talich as well? Would anyone