Lesser Known Pianists
LeoCH
list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
get the attention they deserve!!
Andy Liaw
: Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
How about Weisenberg (sp?), I never saw him being mentioned here.
Andy
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kojisato
> Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
> list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
> tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
> helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
> get the attention they deserve!!
Kapell(deceased)
Bolet(deceased)
Zacharias
Sokolov
Chiu
Hansen(deceased)
Katchen(deceased)....and many others that I just can't think of at this time.
K. Attwood
Oleg Limeshko
>How about Weisenberg (sp?), I never saw him being mentioned here.
Too much technique, quite enough power, too little feeling or
thinking (IMHO).
Mario Taboada
underrated (at least in the U.S.A). His Chopin recordings rank with
the best (Cortot, Rubinstein, Moravec), and his Brahms was volcanic
(I am thinking of the concertos and the Handel variations).
Other pianists who deserve to be better known:
* Annie Fischer (apparently her complete Beethoven cycle is now
being released by Hungaroton as a posthumous homage to a great
musician).
* Pascal Roge. I swear I am not trying to stir up a controversy related
to another thread - but Roge is a wonderful pianist who, to my knowledge,
has never made a less than fine recording. I turn very frequently to his
Debussy, Poulenc, and Ravel - it's always a pleasure. He could be
described as the French Moravec.
* Dmitri Alexeev. An exquisite pianist who unfortunately seems to record
very infrequently. His Chopin preludes are sublime.
* Bruno Gelber. Apart from the amazing fingers, he always plays with
conviction, feeling, and clarity.
Lastly, among dead giants who deserve to be better known, I must
mention Horszowski, Firkusny, and Shure. Incidentally, what happened
to the promised Shure reissues? I haven`t seen them anywhere.
Regards,
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kojisato
<ol...@pimms.mit.edu> wrote:
After hearing him live a few times, I would also question the technique
part as well. His recordings are sometimes phenomenal--but they are
recordings.
K. Attwood
kojisato
> * Annie Fischer (apparently her complete Beethoven cycle is now
> being released by Hungaroton as a posthumous homage to a great
> musician).
> I'm ashamed to say I have yet to hear her.
> * Pascal Roge. I swear I am not trying to stir up a controversy related
> to another thread - but Roge is a wonderful pianist who, to my knowledge,
> has never made a less than fine recording. I turn very frequently to his
> Debussy, Poulenc, and Ravel - it's always a pleasure. He could be
> described as the French Moravec.
> Don't get me started.
>
* Dmitri Alexeev. An exquisite pianist who unfortunately seems to record
> very infrequently. His Chopin preludes are sublime.
> Disappointing live, but I agree that his preludes are wonderful.
> * Bruno Gelber. Apart from the amazing fingers, he always plays with
> conviction, feeling, and clarity.
> Total agreement here. Really great artists with wonderful fingers and sound.
>
> Lastly, among dead giants who deserve to be better known, I must
> mention Horszowski, Firkusny, and Shure. Incidentally, what happened
> to the promised Shure reissues? I haven`t seen them anywhere.
> Horszowski was a wonderful musician who I unfortunately never had the chance
to take lessons with. Ditto for Firkunsy and Shure. Shure's Schubert is great.
K. Attwood
Allan Burns
>
>How about Weisenberg (sp?), I never saw him being mentioned here.
Actually, Weissenberg's recording on RCA of the Third Rachmaninoff
concerto & Bartok's Second is mentioned here fairly routinely.
But I agree that overall he seems to fall into the underrated
department.
I like his hard driving high voltage playing quite a bit. I
don't know a better integral recording of the Rachmaninoff
Preludes than his (although for many individual pieces
the composer himself & Richter are far better). His Debussy
disc won't be to all tastes--too perspicuous & hard--but
I enjoy it a lot, particularly his L'ilse joyeuse. I also
heard a memorable Liszt Sonata by him once, powerful &
individual; but I don't think it's currently available.
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--Allan Burns
William J. Karzas
koji...@umich.edu (kojisato) wrote:
> > * Annie Fischer (apparently her complete Beethoven cycle is now
> > being released by Hungaroton as a posthumous homage to a great
> > musician).
> > I'm ashamed to say I have yet to hear her.
There is a just-out EMI Profiles 2-CD of some of Annie Fischer's
recordings. I believe it has Mozart, etc. [Sorry, I haven't heard it
either.]
>
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Dan Koren
>Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
>list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
>tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
>helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
>get the attention they deserve!!
Here:
Dmitri Bashkirov - one of the greatest
Dino Ciani - his death was a loss as great as Kapell and Lipatti
France Clidat - great Liszt
Harry Datymer - fabulous Chopin and Debussy
Marta Deyanova - outstanding in Russian music
Brigitte Engerer - wonderful Chopin nocturnes
Nelson Freire - volcanic!
Bruno-Leonardo Gelber - great in all the standard repertoire
Conrad Hansen - perhaps the greatest German pianist of this century
Witold Malcuzinski - great Brahms and Chopin
Vitali Margulis - fabulous Scriabin, Beethoven, Chopin
Emile Naoumoff - could develop into another Richter
Cecile Ousset - superb all around
Theodore Paraskivesco - the finest Debussy on record after
Richter and Michelangeli
Sergio Perticaroli - there's more than ABM and Pollini to the
Italian piano school
Elisso Virsaladze - one of the finest Russian pianists
This is just off the top of my head -- I could probably think of a
dozen or two more....
dk
Neil Tingley
Karzas" <wjk...@pacificnet.net> writes
>In article <kojisato-220...@pc-143.music.umich.edu>,
>koji...@umich.edu (kojisato) wrote:
>
>> > * Annie Fischer (apparently her complete Beethoven cycle is now
>> > being released by Hungaroton as a posthumous homage to a great
>> > musician).
>> > I'm ashamed to say I have yet to hear her.
>
>There is a just-out EMI Profiles 2-CD of some of Annie Fischer's
>recordings. I believe it has Mozart, etc. [Sorry, I haven't heard it
>either.]
Her muscular Schumann concerto recorded with Klemperer is excellent, and
well worth hearing. It's grand and big-boned with the tender moments
well captured - and Klemp is a superb accompanist.
There are some late fifties Mozart recordings which the BBC plays
sometimes. I always enjoyed them - classy playing.
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Kang Howson-Jan
> In article <wjkarz-2204...@news.pacificnet.net>, "William J.
> Karzas" <wjk...@pacificnet.net> writes
> >recordings. I believe it has Mozart, etc. [Sorry, I haven't heard it
> >either.]
> sometimes. I always enjoyed them - classy playing.
Just to remind North Americans that there is a Seraphim double CD Mozart
Concertos release, #21-24. I got it for about $8 CDN (ie $6 US). The
accompaniments are by Boult, and Sawallisch, and the Philharmonia. The
recordings are from the early 60's I think. A real bargain.
--Kang Howson-Jan
Richard Korkosz
>* Dmitri Alexeev. An exquisite pianist who unfortunately seems to record
>very infrequently. His Chopin preludes are sublime.
You might give a listen to Alexeev's disc of Rachmaninov and Scriabin,
recorded live at the Moscow Conservatory (on MK 417063). Damn fine,
IMHO... ;-))
Matt Faunce
> Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
> list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
> tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
> helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
> get the attention they deserve!!
I have Gyorgy Sandor Plays Bartok and another playing Prokofiev. Vox Box
Legends. I not sure if he's a lesser known pianist but how one pronounces
his name is lesser known. Gyorgy sounds like "jury" as in jury duty.
I have Frederic Chiu playing piano transcriptions. IMO, excellent.
Harmonia mundi. I've heard his complete Prokofiev sonatas and plan to buy
these too.
Is Dinu Lippati lesser known?
Are there any solo recordings of Gyorgy Sebok? I saw him play with Janos
Starker. He was amazing. (They were amazing.)
What about Ralph Votepek? I heard him many years ago and thought it was
heavenly. Although I was pretty young back then. He teaches at Michigan
State Univ.
Mark Kroll playing harpsichord music of 18th cen France. (on harpsichord)
The CD is titled Vetigo after the opening piece of the same name by
Joseph-Nicholas-Pancrace Royer. What an insane piece of music. I love it!
Newport Classic.
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in concert. His Rach #3 w/ Pretre is hard to beat at any price. I saw him
do a Chopin b minor sonata note perfect without an ounce of passion. His
DG CD of Scarlatti is mechanical. He did a good Schumann Carnaval which is
no longer available. Interesting pianist with an interesting biography.
Anyone know where he is today?
Alan Briker, M.D.
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Thomas J Wood
>
> Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
> list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
> tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
> helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
> get the attention they deserve!!
I've loved everything I've heard Anne Queffellec play -- but there isn't
much. Her Scarlatti recording rivals Horowitz at times. And she brings more music
out of Satie's musical epigrams than I thought was possible.
I used to place Maria Tipo in the same category -- but she's becoming pretty
well-known these days.
Tom Wood
Dimiti van der Werf
1. Enrico Pace. Watch out for him. This young Italian pianist will make
his debut in the near future and is undoubtedly a genius. I am surprised
he is not world famous yet.
2. Nikolai Luganski. A very convincing Russian pianist - pupil of
Nikolaeva - and a great Rachmaninov player.
3. Sergio Fiorentino. An Italian with strong views. Recorded in the
sixties for Saga, buth had to decline after a car accident. Fortunately
he resumed making records. The enterprising English label APR strongly
believes in him and started with a Fiorentino Edition.
4. Ivan Moravec (in Europe lesser known then in the US). A superb
pianist, who plays with poetry and integrity. His Ravel Sonatina,
Debussy's Pour le Piano, The Chopin Nocturnes are among the best ever.
Try also Estampes and Images at a give-away-price on Vox Box and his
recital with Czech composers. It was released on Supraphon and Nonesuch.
Speaking of Nonesuch: They still have to release on cd Moravec's Brahms
(the most beautiful op. 117 ever), Schumann disc and his Janacek
recital.
5. Alexander Goldenweiser. Not much of his work came out. A major figure
in the Russian Pianoschool.
6. Frank Braley. A young French pianist who won the Elisabeth
Competetion. Finallly a winner who succeeded with brains and poetry and
not with muscles like the chaps who win the Van Cliburn Competition. Try
his debut on French Harmonia Mundi.
7. Valery Kuleshov. Sometimes very interesting.
S. LaBonne
mention Ivan Moravec? ;-)
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Neil Tingley
<kor...@golay.csl.uiuc.edu> writes
And his Shostakovich concerti on EMI (Classics for pleasure). As good a
pair of performances as you'd hope to hear - beautifully recorded too.
rei...@hooked.net
>al...@amadeus.tamu.edu (Andy Liaw) wrote:
>>How about Weisenberg (sp?), I never saw him being mentioned here.
>Too much technique, quite enough power, too little feeling or
>thinking (IMHO).
Agree with all but the technique. Is it possible to have too much
technique.
BTW, I'd nominate Dubravka Tomsic as woefully underrated. But then,
most of her recordings are hardly representative. Her live appearance
in San Francisco last year pretty much caused everyone who heard it to
completely run out of superlatives. One interesting recording she
made was of the Grieg concerto, which I thought I had had quite enough
of. It is the most grand and massive version I've ever heard;
wouldn't have thought the piece could take it, but it does. It can be
found on various bargain labels. Worth the search.
James C Liu
>Is Dinu Lippati lesser known?
He's certainly well known among piano aficionados and historic freaks such
as myself. I don't think of him as a household name, though, probably
because of his tragically brief career. Still, there is a long list of
other historical giants who are largely forgotten today; Lipatti fits in
well with that list.
>Are there any solo recordings of Gyorgy Sebok? I saw him play with Janos
>Starker. He was amazing. (They were amazing.)
I wish we could have more of their chamber music recordings out on
Mercury. There are two wonderful Brahms cello sonatas with Starker and
Sebok which I keep waiting for ...
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Oleg Limeshko
>Other pianists who deserve to be better known:
>* Annie Fischer (apparently her complete Beethoven cycle is now
>being released by Hungaroton as a posthumous homage to a great
>musician).
These Hungaroton releases include some revelatory performances, to
my ears at least. In some Beethoven sonatas she found what had been
overlooked by bigger names. Her Schubert D.960 against, for example,
Rubinstein's is a classic case of interpretation+beautiful sound vs.
beautiful sound alone. I like it very much (Annie's, that is). Her Listz sonata
is understandably not the greatest ever, but it is interesting to
listen to. I don't even mention her Mozart concertos.
I am too surprised that she did not make a bigger career.
On the other hand, on the basis of these performances alone,
she seemed to be more interested in *music* than in *career in music*.
I should add that some other non-Hungaroton recordings I have are not
always that interesting.
>* Pascal Roge. I swear I am not trying to stir up a controversy related
>to another thread - but Roge is a wonderful pianist who, to my knowledge,
>has never made a less than fine recording. I turn very frequently to his
>Debussy, Poulenc, and Ravel - it's always a pleasure. He could be
>described as the French Moravec.
>
>* Dmitri Alexeev. An exquisite pianist who unfortunately seems to record
>very infrequently. His Chopin preludes are sublime.
I've only heard his Medtner first concerto, and it leaves much
to be desired. I stopped buying his recordings after that.
>* Bruno Gelber. Apart from the amazing fingers, he always plays with
>conviction, feeling, and clarity.
I completely agree with your appraisal, but I am not moved by him.
Ambitions are in his playing, deep penetration to the heart of music
is not, IMHO. I think ardent Richter fans must love him.
Oleg Limeshko
hanbom lee
overly excited if I make a mistake, ok?
Very much enjoyed Walter Klien's Mozart sonata set. Just listened to
Richard Goode's rendition of Late Beethoven sonatas and found them very
refreshing.
Same for John Lill with Beethoven's bagatelles. And Kun Woo Paik with
some Ravel stuff(e.g. gaspard de la nuit).
I also have a friend who swears by Walter Gieseking(haven't heard any yet).
Farhan Malik
>Interested in all the talk about Weissenberg. I've seen him several times
>in concert. His Rach #3 w/ Pretre is hard to beat at any price.
I don't know what all the fuss is about that recording.
Gilels, Horowitz, Cliburn, Janis, Kapell, and Gavrilov are all vastly
better. I can't stand Weissenberg's second mvmt. I find his rubato
unnatural, his tone ugly, and his phrasing lacking in poetry.
>I saw him
>do a Chopin b minor sonata note perfect without an ounce of passion. His
>DG CD of Scarlatti is mechanical. He did a good Schumann Carnaval which is
>no longer available.
He's very uneven. Some of his discs are excellent (Bach
transcriptions, Rachmaninoff Preludes) but then there are discs like
the Rachmaninoff Sonatas which are nothing more than unrelenting
pounding.
My own additions to the lesser know pianists list would be
Sergei Babayan and Alexander Korsantiya. The former has a few CDs
out. The later has none right now but will soon.
Farhan
Chase Kimball
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>
>In article <4lgkbc$i...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, Oleg Limeshko
><ol...@pimms.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> al...@amadeus.tamu.edu (Andy Liaw) wrote:
>>
>> >How about Weisenberg (sp?), I never saw him being mentioned here.
>>
>> Too much technique, quite enough power, too little feeling or
>> thinking (IMHO).
>
>part as well. His recordings are sometimes phenomenal--but they are
>recordings.
>
> K. Attwood
Well, Kojisato, all I can say for sure is that you weren't with me in
Chicago in about July 75 when I heard him doing the Emperor w/Levine. I
also have a live bootleg of him in the Rach. 3rd w/Ozawa, which is, as
expected, phenomenal. I do agree that studio magic is used to cover a
multitude of sins in lesser lights.
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>* Pascal Roge. I swear I am not trying to stir up a controversy >related
to another thread - but Roge is a wonderful pianist who, to my
>knowledge,has never made a less than fine recording. I turn very
frequenty to his Debussy, Poulenc, and Ravel - it's always a pleasure. He
could be described as the French Moravec.
I can tell you that Pascal Roge is certainly not under represneted in
my CD collection. I have him for his works by Poulenc,Ravel, and Satie. I
enjoy both his solo works and those recorded with the Montreal SO under
Dutoit. Another French pianist that I like very much is Jean-Philip
Collard. I first discovered him for his Saint-Saens piano concertos with
Previn and the Royal PO, but a friend of mine, who is a BIG Faure fan got
me interested in Collard's Faure works on EMI. He is great with all of
these works.
Stephen Hough--I first discovered him on a Virgin CD of Brahms'2nd but
he also gives a great performance with the Hummel Piano concertos on
Chandos.
How about Alexei Lubimov? I love his Brahms Handel Variations on Erato.
He was one of the last students of Heinrich Neuhaus who also taught
Gilels and Richter. I understand that he is also noted for his works
recorded on the fortepiano.
Mustonen is great for his Beethoven variations and his Prokofiev violin
sonatas with Bell.
I would certainly also like to give Jando credit for the great Ť
work
he has been doing with Naxos too.
Fun topic.--------
...Rex
Neil Tingley
>>list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
>>tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
>>helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
>>get the attention they deserve!!
>
>
>
>Dmitri Bashkirov - one of the greatest
Agreed. His Ravel LH is extraordinary, and his Mozart playing sparkles
like a diamond.
>
>Cecile Ousset - superb all around
With every good wish !
>Theodore Paraskivesco - the finest Debussy on record after
> Richter and Michelangeli
Add David Wilde, a fine Lisztian and renowned for his Bartok.
People tend to forget the late John Ogden. IMHO the finest ever British
romantic virtuoso. He had an unmistakable sound, it could be titanic;
yet had the rare gift of being able to sing with his fingers. Some of
JO's recordings could be patchy, but OTOH there are some monumental
interpretations of Liszt and Busonoi. Pirate recordings suggest that
his playing after his feted mental breakdown was even bolder.
I'm not sure if Stephen Hough is well known in the states, but he is one
of the finest artists of his generation, capable of giving dazzling
accounts of Rachmaninov to Hummel.
Sokolov is gaining recognition but deserves a major recording
contract...
Allan Burns
>
>Elisso Virsaladze - one of the finest Russian pianists
Can you recommend any recordings by her?
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kojisato
I would also like to add Byron Janis to the list. Just listened to his
Rach 1 and 2 last night again. He's definitely up there.
K. Attwood
Dan Koren
In article <6gp1wIAK...@music.demon.co.uk> Neil Tingley <ne...@music.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <dkDq9C...@netcom.com>, Dan Koren <d...@netcom.com> writes
>>In article <4lf4je$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> le...@aol.com (LeoCH) writes:
>>>Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
>>>list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
>>>tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
>>>helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
>>>get the attention they deserve!!
>>
>>Here:
>>
>>Dmitri Bashkirov - one of the greatest
>
>Agreed. His Ravel LH is extraordinary,
Heard him live - twice! - and have an autographed LP!
>and his Mozart playing sparkles like a diamond.
Bashkirov's K.453 and K.491 are unmatched even by Fischer or Richter
(notwithstanding Farhan's opinion to the contrary). His Schumann
Fantasy is on a par with Richter and Sofromitsky.
>>Cecile Ousset - superb all around
>
>With every good wish !
Do you have a Yenda franchise? ;-)
>>Theodore Paraskivesco - the finest Debussy on record after
>> Richter and Michelangeli
>
>Add David Wilde, a fine Lisztian and renowned for his Bartok.
>
>People tend to forget the late John Ogden. IMHO the finest ever British
>romantic virtuoso. He had an unmistakable sound, it could be titanic;
>yet had the rare gift of being able to sing with his fingers. Some of
>JO's recordings could be patchy, but OTOH there are some monumental
>interpretations of Liszt and Busonoi. Pirate recordings suggest that
>his playing after his feted mental breakdown was even bolder.
I did not forget Ogdon, however I would certainly not consider him
unknown or underrated. Maybe you're thinking of John Lill.... :-)
>I'm not sure if Stephen Hough is well known in the states, but he is one
>of the finest artists of his generation, capable of giving dazzling
>accounts of Rachmaninov to Hummel.
>
>Sokolov is gaining recognition but deserves a major recording
>contract...
But he isn't exactly unknown or underrated either... Not anywhere
near the degree of ignorance given to Vitali Margulis or to Harry
Datymer (or to Christiane Edinger (switching to violinists)).
And have you heard (of) Rudolf Kerer or Yakov Zak?
dk
Dan Koren
In article <96116.09...@psuvm.psu.edu> Allan Burns <AD...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <dkDq9C...@netcom.com>, d...@netcom.com (Dan Koren) says:
>>
>>Elisso Virsaladze - one of the finest Russian pianists
>
>Can you recommend any recordings by her?
Brahms Quintet with Borodin - recently released on Teldec(?).
Schubert D.850 on Live Classics.
Schumann/Brahms recital on Live Classics.
dk
Dan Koren
Sure, but he is neither unknown nor underrated. Basically, I would
not consider anyone with several recordings currently available on
major labels as unknown or underrated.
What I think this thread is about is the likes of Vitali Margulis
or Emile Naoumoff, who are unquestionably among the greatest living
interpreters, yet practically no one has heard of them in the US,
and not many know about them even in Europe.
dk
Carl Tait
In article <dkDqFs...@netcom.com>, Dan Koren <d...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Bashkirov's K.453 and K.491 are unmatched even by Fischer or Richter
>(notwithstanding Farhan's opinion to the contrary). His Schumann
>Fantasy is on a par with Richter and Sofromitsky.
Bashkirov's Schumann Fantasy is indeed excellent. It is easily the
best of his recordings that I've heard. However, I have to agree
with Farhan about Bashkirov's K. 491. For the most part, it is a
very routine performance with little of the poetry evident in his
Schumann.
Dan, please sit down before reading the next sentence:
I greatly prefer Brendel to Bashkirov in K. 491.
(I doubt that Farhan would agree with me on *that*.)
Carl Tait
Gerald McCutcheon
bigo...@suba.com (Matt Faunce) writes:
>In article <4lf4je$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, le...@aol.com (LeoCH) wrote:
>> Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
>> list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
>> tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
>> helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
>> get the attention they deserve!!
Leonard Pennario is at the top of my list. I'm not sure if he qualifies
for "Lesser" known or not, but he does not seem to be at the forefront of
any discussions I've read here. And that is unfortunate. The first
concert I attended was a recital given by Mr. Pennario. That performance
included Schumann's G minor Piano Sonata (Op. 22). That rendition
"knocked my socks off", and I have never heard another pianist equal that
performance - a true titan of a pianist.
Jack Gibbons' 3 CD set of Gershwin transcriptions are
absolutely outstanding. His playing captures the ingenuity and
effervescence of Gershwin's music. Another outstanding performer!
Jean-Bernard Pommier - excellent recordings of Debussy.
GM
Y M Smejkal
Well done Dan! This is a most laudible posting: Ousset is well known,
but one can never sufficiently rate the very best!
Others underated: De LArocha, Collard, Lympany, Malcuzinski, Janis,
Firkusny, Moravec, Kapell, the list is endless! Collard is a very find
interpreter of Rachmaninoff - why is he so neglected? Malcuzinski is
wonderful in both Rachmaninoff 3rd and Brahms 1. The Dvorak concerto by
Firkusny is a must. Remember also Radoslav Kvapil and Mirka Pokorna.
Michel Beroff - very fine Prokofiev which as a set seem to remain the
difinitive. Anda was great - a lovely Schumann.
Every good wish,
Yenda.
Dan Koren (d...@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <4lf4je$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> le...@aol.com (LeoCH) writes:
: >Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
: >list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
: >tell others about. A list of recordings we could all purchase would be
: >helpful. It's time to discover lesser known pianists who doesn't seem to
: >get the attention they deserve!!
: Here:
: Dmitri Bashkirov - one of the greatest
: Dino Ciani - his death was a loss as great as Kapell and Lipatti
: France Clidat - great Liszt
: Harry Datymer - fabulous Chopin and Debussy
: Marta Deyanova - outstanding in Russian music
: Brigitte Engerer - wonderful Chopin nocturnes
: Nelson Freire - volcanic!
: Bruno-Leonardo Gelber - great in all the standard repertoire
: Conrad Hansen - perhaps the greatest German pianist of this century
: Witold Malcuzinski - great Brahms and Chopin
: Vitali Margulis - fabulous Scriabin, Beethoven, Chopin
: Emile Naoumoff - could develop into another Richter
: Cecile Ousset - superb all around
: Theodore Paraskivesco - the finest Debussy on record after
: Richter and Michelangeli
: Sergio Perticaroli - there's more than ABM and Pollini to the
: Italian piano school
: Elisso Virsaladze - one of the finest Russian pianists
: This is just off the top of my head -- I could probably think of a
Neil Tingley
In article <dkDqFs...@netcom.com>, Dan Koren <d...@netcom.com> writes
>
>
>And have you heard (of) Rudolf Kerer or Yakov Zak?
Of course. Who did Zak teach ? I have a Zak recording somewhere, but all
my LPs are still in Edinburgh so I can't find it !
Lill occassionally can be good. Usually he is very competant, the
perfect artist to play in provincial halls and programmes for the masses
- ie Rach 2 or the Emperor (he seems to play it twice a week).
Point taken,
Neil
HankM219
I'll add a name from the present: Leonid Kuzmin, a true Lisztian.
And I'll add a name from the past: Claudette Sorel. Does anyone know
what happened to her?
Henry Maurer, Cherry Hill, NJ, USA
hank...@aol.com
Anand S. Tolani
In article <mccutcgn.830533689@njmsa>, mccu...@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU (Gerald McCutcheon) writes:
>
> Leonard Pennario is at the top of my list. I'm not sure if he qualifies
> for "Lesser" known or not, but he does not seem to be at the forefront of
> any discussions I've read here. And that is unfortunate. The first
> concert I attended was a recital given by Mr. Pennario. That performance
> included Schumann's G minor Piano Sonata (Op. 22). That rendition
> "knocked my socks off", and I have never heard another pianist equal that
> performance - a true titan of a pianist.
Pennario is featured on some of the newer EMI Encore budget discs. I can
distinctly recall a Rachmaninov 2nd piano concerto, with Leinsdorf(?).
Anand
Farhan Malik
d...@netcom.com (Dan Koren) writes:
>What I think this thread is about is the likes of Vitali Margulis
>or Emile Naoumoff, who are unquestionably among the greatest living
>interpreters, yet practically no one has heard of them in the US,
>and not many know about them even in Europe.
I would hardly say "unquestionably" among the greatest living
interpreters. I bought Naoumov's WTC and completely regret the
purchase. Even with your continual praise it is unlikely that this
set will stay in my collection much longer. His Bach Transcriptions
disc is better but I'm about as likely to believe that Naoumov is
among the greatest living interpreters as I am that Brendel is the
greatest living pianist.
Farhan
Erica Schulman
>3. Sergio Fiorentino. An Italian with strong views. Recorded in the
>sixties for Saga, buth had to decline after a car accident. Fortunately
>he resumed making records. The enterprising English label APR strongly
>believes in him and started with a Fiorentino Edition.
It might be worth mentioning here that Fiorentino will be appearing at
the Newport Music Festival (Rhode Island, USA) which runs July 6
through July 23. Their complete schedule is available on the Web (I
don't have the URL handy but it is easily found through Alta Vista or
other search engines).
/----------------------------
Erica N. Schulman
http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~schulman/home.html
Erica Schulman
>People tend to forget the late John Ogden. IMHO the finest ever British
>romantic virtuoso. He had an unmistakable sound, it could be titanic;
>yet had the rare gift of being able to sing with his fingers. Some of
>JO's recordings could be patchy, but OTOH there are some monumental
>interpretations of Liszt and Busonoi. Pirate recordings suggest that
>his playing after his feted mental breakdown was even bolder.
I agree but feel compelled to add -- the name is spelled Ogdon (I have
made this same error numerous times).
>I'm not sure if Stephen Hough is well known in the states, but he is one
>of the finest artists of his generation, capable of giving dazzling
>accounts of Rachmaninov to Hummel.
I have heard some wonderful recordings, and paticularly enjoyed Vol. 1
of the Piano Album (a.k.a. My Favorite Things on another label).
However I haven't always been thrilled with the live performances, I
must admit...
Michael Glover
hank...@aol.com (HankM219) wrote:
>I'll add a name from the present: Leonid Kuzmin, a true Lisztian.
>
>Henry Maurer, Cherry Hill, NJ, USA
>hank...@aol.com
If his Russian Disc Liszt recital is representative, I'd have to say that
Kuzmin lives and dies by his steely fingers; the playing is bereft of
musicality, poetry, or any quality other than high-octane wanabe-Horowitz
pounding [although there is one good passage on this CD: the Tempo
giusto vivace in the 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody, where Kuzmin's rhythmic
impetus sends the music galloping forward]. Can you recommend anything
that shows him in a more favourable light ?
MG
Allan Burns
In article <Dk8b+BAmTOgxEw$v...@music.demon.co.uk>, Neil Tingley
Petrov & Egorov, among others.
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--Allan Burns
Dan Koren
In article <4lrgak$2...@mercury.dur.ac.uk> Y M Smejkal <Y.M.S...@durham.ac.uk> writes:
>Well done Dan! This is a most laudible posting: Ousset is well known,
>but one can never sufficiently rate the very best!
>Others underated: De LArocha, Collard, Lympany, Malcuzinski, Janis,
>Firkusny, Moravec, Kapell, the list is endless! Collard is a very find
>interpreter of Rachmaninoff - why is he so neglected? Malcuzinski is
>wonderful in both Rachmaninoff 3rd and Brahms 1. The Dvorak concerto by
>Firkusny is a must. Remember also Radoslav Kvapil and Mirka Pokorna.
Firkusny cannot hold a candle to Richter in the Dvorak concerto.
>Michel Beroff - very fine Prokofiev which as a set seem to remain the
>difinitive. Anda was great - a lovely Schumann.
I am sorry, but I do not agree with your interpretation of this
thread. This thread is about great pianists who are largely *unknown*
to the public at large, not about pianists who are somewhat underrated
in one's opinion. Artists who have several recordings currently available
in the catalogs of major recordings labels (e.g. Moravec, De Larrocha,
Malcuzinski, Lympany or Collard) or who have a large fan following
(Kapell, Janis) clearly do not meet the original intent of the thread.
And by the way, some of the people in your list are if anything grossly
overrated (De Larrocha, Collard, Lympany) and Geza Anda is definitely
guilty of the worst Kreisleriana ever recorded -- he beat even Mitsuko
Uchida...
With every good wish.
:-)
dk
unknown
Hello. Ralph Votapek simply _must_ go on my list. Seeing him perform live now
several times has convinced me he's one of the best there is.
-Nathan
Dan Koren
In article <4luajo$1e...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nathan Eberhardt <eber...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>Fou Ts'ong
>Try his Chopin Nocturnes....
Fou Ts'ong is way past his artistic prime. And I don't think he
counted as one of the greats even when he was in top form.
Try Li Ming-Chan...
dk
Naun Chew
le...@aol.com (LeoCH) wrote:
>How about a list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and >you've wanted to tell others about. It's time to discover less=
er known >pianists who doesn't seem to get the attention they deserve!
Angela Hewitt's Bach recordings on Hyperion have given me a lot of
pleasure. She plays Bach in a clear-headed, spirited, uncomplicated way
that leads you straight into the heart of the music without having to
worry about any of the controversies.
Among pianists of the past, I find special qualities in Clara Haskil's
Mozart and Mieczyslaw Horszowski's Bach and Chopin.
Dan Koren
In article <4m0euh$p...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> eber...@pilot.msu.edu (Nathan Eberhardt) writes:
>
> Hello. Ralph Votapek simply _must_ go on my list. Seeing him perform
> live now several times has convinced me he's one of the best there is.
Considering that he is your teacher I suppose he doesn't have a choice...
8-((
dk
Matt Faunce
He wasn't my teacher, nor have I met him, and he's on my list. Question:
Does he have any recordings available?
Do you think all people are incapable of giving a fair judgement of their
teachers performances? What's with 8-(( ? Is your pessimism getting you
down?
-Matt Faunce
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James C Liu
>> > Hello. Ralph Votapek simply _must_ go on my list. Seeing him perform
>> > live now several times has convinced me he's one of the best there is.
and in article <dkDqLu...@netcom.com>, d...@netcom.com (Dan Koren) replied:
>> Considering that he is your teacher I suppose he doesn't have a choice...
so, bigo...@suba.com (Matt Faunce) writes:
>He wasn't my teacher, nor have I met him, and he's on my list.
>Do you think all people are incapable of giving a fair judgement of their
>teachers performances?
[more flamebait-worthy additions hacked away ...]
The very real problem in judging a teacher's performance is that one's
conception of how a piece should be phrased, paced, molded, etc. may be
strongly influenced by a teacher's suggestions. This would tend to make
the teacher's own effort difficult to judge dispassionately, just as it is
difficult to discuss the first recording through which the listener has
become acquainted with a piece. It's hard to be impartial where one's
teacher, parent, sibling, relative, or child is concerned, don't you think?
--
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jl...@world.std.com there is actually no truth to be discovered;
Boston, Massachusetts there is only error to be exposed."
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HankM219
<<If his Russian Disc Liszt recital is representative, I'd have to say
that
Kuzmin lives and dies by his steely fingers; the playing is bereft of
musicality, poetry, or any quality other than high-octane wanabe-Horowitz
pounding [although there is one good passage on this CD: the Tempo
giusto vivace in the 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody, where Kuzmin's rhythmic
impetus sends the music galloping forward]. Can you recommend anything
that shows him in a more favourable light ?>>
This is the only recording I have of Kuzmin, which I bought after hearing
him live. I feel differently about this disc, but my best recommendation
is to hear him live.
Michel Fontaine
LeoCH (le...@aol.com) wrote:
: Ok folks. Let's change topics (no more Brendel for awhile). How about a
: list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
: get the attention they deserve!!
What about
Andreas Staier for the baroque and classical repertoire
Pierre-Laurent Aimard and Florent Boffard for the 20th century?
Michel Fontaine
mei...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
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Hi,
Now we have known several pianists, how about some lesser known piano pieces?
I think we will just limit ourselves to _solo_ piano works that deserve
greater popularity both in concerts or on recordings.(?)
For starters, Schoenberg's Three Piano Pieces. op. 11...
Thanks.
meihsu
Daniel Hobbs
In article <4m1ern$h...@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Naun Chew <Naun...@lib.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>le...@aol.com (LeoCH) wrote:
>>How about a list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and >you've wanted to tell others about. It's time to discover less=
>er known >pianists who doesn't seem to get the attention they deserve!
I have two Stradivarius cheap-cheap ($4) recordings of Dubravka Tomsic
playing Chopin and Debussy. Quite wonderful, especially the Debussy.
Dan Hobbs
dan...@sequent.com
malcolm saldanha
> : list of pianists you feel are definitely underrated and you've wanted to
> : get the attention they deserve!!
>
How about Ilana Vered? I recently saw her on a video titled
"In Celebration of the Piano", taped at Carnegie Hall. Of all the
pianists who played, I was most impressed with Vered.
She played two etudes by Moszkowski flawlessly and with incredible
ease. It was so apparent from her performance that she is a great
artist, with the technique and stage presence to sustain a major
career. I wonder why she is not better known.
Does anyone know anything about her? Recordings? Concerts?
Malcolm
5/2
Steve Martin
While I was in the UK, I bought a CD for 99pence of piano works by Schubert,
Brahms, Liszt and Chopin by a pianist named Dieter Goldmann. Personally I
thought this was as fine a recital disk as I have ever heard. Anyone else
out there familiar with this guy?
Steve M.
Jerry McCutcheon
Yes Malcolm, Ilana Vered is an outstanding pianist. I have an LP from
1976 that features her in the Tchaikowsky Piano Concerto #1 and (solo)
Three Movements from Petrushka by Stravinsky. The playing is absolutely
fantastic in every way. It was a London Phase 4 Stereo release SPC21148,
and I would recommend it if you can find it.
I also recall her giving a performance of the Rachmaninoff Rhapsody on a
Theme of Paganini, and again, her playing/interpretation was truly
captivating. I'm not sure why she is not better known, though I believe
she is at the highest echelon of the cream of the crop.
Jerry McCutcheon
Dan Moore
> >How about Ilana Vered? I recently saw her on a video titled
> >"In Celebration of the Piano", taped at Carnegie Hall. Of all the
> >pianists who played, I was most impressed with Vered.
> >
> >She played two etudes by Moszkowski flawlessly and with incredible
> >ease. It was so apparent from her performance that she is a great
> >artist, with the technique and stage presence to sustain a major
> >career. I wonder why she is not better known.
> >
> >Does anyone know anything about her? Recordings? Concerts?
> >
searching on "Naxos" on the www.
Deryk Barker
Dan Moore (runn...@llnl.gov) wrote:
: > >How about Ilana Vered? I recently saw her on a video titled
I thought the Naxos Chopin was by Idil Biret.
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I am a shamefully neglected pianist !
Farhan Malik
runn...@llnl.gov (Dan Moore) writes:
>> >How about Ilana Vered? I recently saw her on a video titled
>> >"In Celebration of the Piano", taped at Carnegie Hall. Of all the
>> >pianists who played, I was most impressed with Vered.
>> >Does anyone know anything about her? Recordings? Concerts?
>She has some Chopin recordings on Naxos. You can easily find them by
>searching on "Naxos" on the www.
The pianist on Naxos is Idil Beret not Ilana Vered. Ilana
Vered lives in New York and is still making recordings and
concertising. She just retired from Rutgers University where she
taught piano.
Farhan
darren wong
Another lesser known pianist is Rudolf Buchbinder. His recording of
the Beethoven piano sonatas are my favorites.
Darren
Dan Koren
In article <4mglsl$o...@daria.cdnow.com> dba...@camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) writes:
>Dan Moore (runn...@llnl.gov) wrote:
>: > >How about Ilana Vered? I recently saw her on a video titled
>: > >pianists who played, I was most impressed with Vered.
>: > >She played two etudes by Moszkowski flawlessly and with incredible
>: > >ease. It was so apparent from her performance that she is a great
>: > >artist, with the technique and stage presence to sustain a major
>: > >career. I wonder why she is not better known.
>: > >
>: > >
>: She has some Chopin recordings on Naxos. You can easily find them by
>: searching on "Naxos" on the www.
>
>--
It probably doesn't matter either...
:-)
dk
NJDGLS
Leif Ove Ansdnes has a wonderful, lyrical touch. Heard him last year with
the Chicago Symphony and then his CD of Grieg piano works. Only about 25
years old -- a treat to hear!!
Adam Sumeth Williams
Kehila Amnon (keh...@libra.math.tau.ac.il) wrote:
: I am a shamefully neglected pianist !
I'm another unknown pianist. I even have three copies of my
recording lying around which no-one wants to listen to. If you
want to see some others, go to
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1029/
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