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Shortest piano concerto ?

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Bozo

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Apr 20, 2015, 10:31:19 PM4/20/15
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Alberto Semprini (1908-1990) : Concerto Appassionato, for piano and orchestra (c. 1945):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy2jb_BWdzo&list=PL73764F255CE9ACF6

Less is not always more.

Terry

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Apr 21, 2015, 8:48:04 AM4/21/15
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Milhaud has written operas shorter than that.

Lionel Tacchini

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Apr 22, 2015, 1:52:00 AM4/22/15
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On 21.04.2015 14:48, Terry wrote:
>
> Milhaud has written operas shorter than that.

Good man.

--
Lionel Tacchini

dk

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Apr 25, 2015, 2:25:53 PM4/25/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:52:00 PM UTC-7, Lionel Tacchini wrote:
> On 21.04.2015 14:48, Terry wrote:
> >
> > Milhaud has written operas shorter than that.
>
> Good man.

The shortest piano concerto is 4'33".

dk

Bozo

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Apr 25, 2015, 4:30:11 PM4/25/15
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>On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 1:25:53 PM UTC-5, dk wrote:
> The shortest piano concerto is 4'33".

No wonder ; no cadenza.

graham

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Apr 25, 2015, 9:34:08 PM4/25/15
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This is shorter and of a similar vintage to the OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgIaZanfKVU
Graham

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"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion
will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the
political power to do so."
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dk

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Apr 27, 2015, 5:05:34 AM4/27/15
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Au contraire, mon ami!
The cadenza starts at 1:07
and lasts exactly 23 seconds!
Do you need a pair of new ears?

dk

John Wiser

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Apr 27, 2015, 5:45:51 AM4/27/15
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"dk" <dan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:12343401-c5e6-483c...@googlegroups.com...
You need another half-brain
to contain your half-wit.

jdw

Steve Emerson

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Apr 27, 2015, 3:25:03 PM4/27/15
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In article <a7edd452-8973-4128...@googlegroups.com>,
But it is in this case. Would you want more of it?

SE.

Bozo

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Apr 27, 2015, 5:08:22 PM4/27/15
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>On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:25:03 PM UTC-5, Steve Emerson wrote:
> But it is in this case.

Good point.

I wish 4'33" were shorter, too, but Lim or Buniatishvili probably play it in about 3' flat , Pogorelich in about 8'.

dk

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Apr 27, 2015, 5:29:05 PM4/27/15
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On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:08:22 PM UTC-7, Bozo wrote:
> >On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:25:03 PM UTC-5, Steve Emerson wrote:
> > But it is in this case.
>
> Good point.
>
> I wish 4'33" were shorter, too, but Lim or Buniatishvili
> probably play it in about 3' flat, Pogorelich in about 8'.

Ivo's latest reecording runs over 11'!

dk

dk

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Apr 27, 2015, 5:30:55 PM4/27/15
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On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:08:22 PM UTC-7, Bozo wrote:
Lim plays the left hand transcription in 2'28"!

dk

dk

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Apr 27, 2015, 5:31:24 PM4/27/15
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On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:08:22 PM UTC-7, Bozo wrote:
Thank God it wasn't composed by Bruckner! ;-)

dk

JohnGavin

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Apr 27, 2015, 6:01:54 PM4/27/15
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Lang Lang plays it while lying on top of the piano reaching down with his hands.

Al Eisner

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Apr 27, 2015, 7:03:21 PM4/27/15
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Sorry, transcriptions of solo works don't count.
--
Al Eisner

Bozo

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Apr 27, 2015, 7:13:32 PM4/27/15
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>On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 5:01:54 PM UTC-5, JohnGavin wrote:
> Lang Lang plays it while lying on top of the piano reaching down with his hands.


Some other approaches to piano playing :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbwU-Py-DNA ( Under the piano,rather than on top )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xz1nos-xc ( 8-year old plays Chopin 14th Waltz )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5h9ATpGcjE ( Bodybuilder Gen Hirano plays Bach )

Ray Hall

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Apr 27, 2015, 8:41:19 PM4/27/15
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Jerry Lee Lewis does the best 4'33".

Ray Hall, Taree

dk

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Apr 27, 2015, 11:42:27 PM4/27/15
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On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 5:41:19 PM UTC-7, Ray Hall wrote:
> JohnGavin wrote:
> > On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 5:30:55 PM UTC-4, dk wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:08:22 PM UTC-7, Bozo wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:25:03 PM UTC-5, Steve Emerson wrote:
> >>>> But it is in this case.
> >>>
> >>> Good point.
> >>>
> >>> I wish 4'33" were shorter, too, but Lim or Buniatishvili
> >>> probably play it in about 3' flat , Pogorelich in about 8'.
> >>
> >> Lim plays the left hand transcription in 2'28"!
> >
> > Lang Lang plays it while lying on top of the
> > piano reaching down with his hands.
> >
>
> Jerry Lee Lewis does the best 4'33".

Nope. Art Tatum!

dk

dk

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Apr 27, 2015, 11:46:04 PM4/27/15
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4'33" is actually scored for any combination of instruments, per the
Wikipedia"

"4′33″ (pronounced "Four minutes, thirty-three seconds" or just "Four thirty-three"[1]) is a three-movement composition[2][3] by American experimental composer John Cage (1912–1992). It was composed in 1952, for any instrument or combination of instruments, and the score instructs the performer(s) not to play their instrument(s) during the entire duration of the piece throughout the three movements. The piece purports to consist of the sounds of the environment that the listeners hear while it is performed,[4] although it is commonly perceived as "four minutes thirty-three seconds of silence".[5][6] The title of the piece refers to the total length in minutes and seconds of a given performance, 4′33″ being the total length of the first public performance.[7]"

There is even a version for balalaika!

dk

Al Eisner

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Apr 28, 2015, 1:46:34 PM4/28/15
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, dk wrote:

> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015, dk wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:52:00 PM UTC-7, Lionel Tacchini wrote:
>>>> On 21.04.2015 14:48, Terry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Milhaud has written operas shorter than that.
>>>>
>>>> Good man.
>>>
>>> The shortest piano concerto is 4'33".
>>
>> Sorry, transcriptions of solo works don't count.
>
> 4'33" is actually scored for any combination of instruments, per the
> Wikipedia"
>
> "4?33? (pronounced "Four minutes, thirty-three seconds" or just "Four
> thirty-three"[1]) is a three-movement composition[2][3] by American
> experimental composer John Cage (1912?1992). It was composed in 1952,
> for any instrument or combination of instruments, and the score
> instructs the performer(s) not to play their instrument(s) during the
> entire duration of the piece throughout the three movements. The piece
> purports to consist of the sounds of the environment that the
> listeners hear while it is performed,[4] although it is commonly
> perceived as "four minutes thirty-three seconds of silence".[5][6] The
> title of the piece refers to the total length in minutes and seconds
> of a given performance, 4?33? being the total length of the first
> public performance.[7]"

Thanks. Indeed, one can see the score here:
http://hyperallergic.com/85779/the-original-john-cage-433-in-proportional-notation-19521953/
with commentary at
http://www.openculture.com/2013/10/see-the-curious-score-for-john-cages-silent-zen-composition-433.html

Still, "combination of instruments" would be more compatible with a
concerto grosso than with a piano concerto. :)

> There is even a version for balalaika!

I haven't heard that one. In fact, a site which labels itself the official
John Cage web site is soliciting performances which don't involve any
instrument at all, and have an iPhone App to record them:
http://johncage.org/4_33.html

I still don't think your response was in the spirit of the question,
but I withdraw my former objection. :)
--
Al Eisner

Ward Hardman

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Apr 29, 2015, 6:15:29 AM4/29/15
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Does the time needed for the players retuning their instruments after movements 1 and 2 count? ;-)

--Ward Hardman

"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence,
just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
- H.L. Mencken

dk

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Apr 30, 2015, 1:55:52 AM4/30/15
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On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 5:30:55 PM UTC-4, dk wrote:
> > On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:08:22 PM UTC-7, Bozo wrote:
> > > >On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 2:25:03 PM UTC-5, Steve Emerson wrote:
> > > > But it is in this case.
> > >
> > > Good point.
> > >
> > > I wish 4'33" were shorter, too, but Lim or Buniatishvili
> > > probably play it in about 3' flat , Pogorelich in about 8'.
> >
> > Lim plays the left hand transcription in 2'28"!
>
> Lang Lang plays it while lying on top of the piano
> reaching down with his hands.

Unfortunately, this is also how
everything else he plays sounds!

dk

O

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May 1, 2015, 8:26:29 AM5/1/15
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In article <12343401-c5e6-483c...@googlegroups.com>, dk
Was the cadenza written by Cage himself, or was it Busoni's?

-Owen
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