A miraculous recovery?
Matthew B. Tepper
just portions of it quoted by others -- claimed that Yundi Li had literally
fallen off a cliff. While this news was never proven, he appears to be well
enough to have performed at Carnegie Hall a few days ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/arts/music/22yundi.html
Evidently this appearance had been postponed from last November. Perhaps
that is when he supposedly fell off that cliff?
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Gerard
> It wasn't long ago that somebody -- I didn't actually see the
> original post, just portions of it quoted by others -- claimed that
> Yundi Li had literally fallen off a cliff.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
HvT
> It wasn't long ago that somebody -- I didn't actually see the
> original post, just portions of it quoted by others -- claimed that
> Yundi Li had literally fallen off a cliff. While this news was never
> proven, he appears to be well enough to have performed at Carnegie
> Hall a few days ago:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/arts/music/22yundi.html
>
> Evidently this appearance had been postponed from last November.
> Perhaps that is when he supposedly fell off that cliff?
He's still falling, so it seems, but has decided to drop by Carnegie
Hall.
Henk
O
<hvt...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
So nice of him to "drop in," so to speak.
-Owen
Nick Sun
Funny you mention that. Who's falling and rising, here happen to be a
collection of reviews on four young Chinese pianists' recent recitals
within a week span around the world.
Yundi Li At the Carnegie Hall
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/arts/music/22yundi.html
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1440885/Yundi%20at%20Carnegie%20Hall.html#Post1440885
Lang Lang At the Royal Albert Hall
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/97d6fd08-6752-11df-a932-00144feab49a.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/music/review-23837421-theres-something-about-lang-lang.do
Haochen Zhang at the Neurosciences Institute
http://www.sandiego.com/arts/la-jolla-music-society-discovery-series-haochen-zhang
And Yuja Wang at the the Sixth and I Synagogue, DC
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-classical-beat/2010/05/two_views_of_yuja_wang_in_perf.html
http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2010/05/yuja-wang-sixth-and-i.html
Plus, Di Wu played at at First United Church with the Symphony of Oak
Park and River Forest, who also appeared on WFMT last Monday.
With his current condition technically and musically, how long will
Yundi Li hold his "blind and deaf" fans (most of them are BTW because
most of his female fans actually know Couch Bags better than Chopin's
music)remains to be seen. But you might take a look at his unofficial
concert engagements outside China for the coming year through one of
his die hard fans from Japan.
http://www.geocities.jp/yundist/prelude/prelude.html
Among these, at least I have a winner. Do you? :-)
HvT
> Among these, at least I have a winner. Do you? :-)
<g> It looks as if you are trying to become to Yuja Wang what DK was to
Naida Cole. Being supported by an RMCR doesn't bode well for a young
musician. Where is Lugansky these days ...
Henk
td
Actually, a more appropriate question would be, "Where is Naida Cole".
Still playing, and very well, I hear, from time to time, as her
studies permit.
TD
Nick Sun
Lugansky actually is doing pretty well these days, touring the world
both in recitals and as concerto soloist with world leading
orchestras. Naida Cole on the other hand decided to study medicines.
She is said now married with a Marine scientist and settled in RI,
still giving occasional concerts, mostly minor I presume otherwise we
will know it. As for Yuja Wang, yes I picked her out of many other
young talents a few back, and she seems to have take off pretty well
as one of the world leading young pianists(no, Yundi Li is not among
those) soon afterward. No, I am not a champion of her a la DK to
Naida, but rather as an outside observer. The above reviews I listed
none is from me. Yes, I did have attended the 6th and I synagogue
recital by Wang, and yes I think she the Prokofiev very well, stunning
rendition I would say, but I was much less impressed by her Schumann
than those reviewers. To me, it was overly pedaled, it sounded less
clear in terms of texture, may she has intended to bring out the color
other than the structural lines for that work I am not so sure. One
thing is for sure, however, unlike many other major competition
products, where most of the winners are more or less comformalists,
Wang has her own voice, her own view in her play, whether it works or
not (sometimes it does, sometimes, it doesn't).
laraine
> On May 24, 10:10 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It wasn't long ago that somebody -- I didn't actually see the original post,
> > just portions of it quoted by others -- claimed that Yundi Li had literally
> > fallen off a cliff. While this news was never proven, he appears to be well
> > enough to have performed at Carnegie Hall a few days ago:
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/arts/music/22yundi.html
>
> > Evidently this appearance had been postponed from last November. Perhaps
> > that is when he supposedly fell off that cliff?
>
> > --
> > Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> > Read about "Proty" here:http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
> > To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> > ***** War is Peace **** Freedom is Slavery **** Fox is News *****
> > Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
>
> Funny you mention that. Who's falling and rising, here happen to be a
> collection of reviews on four young Chinese pianists' recent recitals
> within a week span around the world.
>
>
> Lang Lang At the Royal Albert Hallhttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/97d6fd08-6752-11df-a932-00144feab49a.htmlhttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/music/review-23837421-theres-something-...
>
> Haochen Zhang at the Neurosciences Institutehttp://www.sandiego.com/arts/la-jolla-music-society-discovery-series-...
>
> And Yuja Wang at the the Sixth and I Synagogue, DChttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-classical-beat/2010/05/two_views...http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2010/05/yuja-wang-sixth-and-i.html
>
> Plus, Di Wu played at at First United Church with the Symphony of Oak
> Park and River Forest, who also appeared on WFMT last Monday.
>
> With his current condition technically and musically, how long will
> Yundi Li hold his "blind and deaf" fans (most of them are BTW because
> most of his female fans actually know Couch Bags better than Chopin's
> music)remains to be seen. But you might take a look at his unofficial
> concert engagements outside China for the coming year through one of
> his die hard fans from Japan.
>
> http://www.geocities.jp/yundist/prelude/prelude.html
>
> Among these, at least I have a winner. Do you? :-)
I've heard Yundi's four Chopin scherzos
and Prok 2, and am definitely interested
in hearing more.
All of the other pianists you list except
Lang are just starting out, and Lang is
more of a cultural studies kind of
pianist.
C.
Rugby
> Lugansky actually is doing pretty well these days, touring the world
> both in recitals and as concerto soloist with world leading
> orchestras.
He continues to grow as a musician, and hopefully will be at Verbier
again this
Summer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/arts/music/25nikolai.html?ref=arts
Rugby
Nick Sun
> On May 26, 1:22 am, Nick Sun <xiaowu...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 10:10 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > It wasn't long ago that somebody -- I didn't actually see the original post,
> > > just portions of it quoted by others -- claimed that Yundi Li had literally
> > > fallen off a cliff. While this news was never proven, he appears to be well
> > > enough to have performed at Carnegie Hall a few days ago:
>
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/arts/music/22yundi.html
>
> > > Evidently this appearance had been postponed from last November. Perhaps
> > > that is when he supposedly fell off that cliff?
>
> > > --
> > > Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> > > Read about "Proty" here:http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
> > > To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> > > ***** War is Peace **** Freedom is Slavery **** Fox is News *****
> > > Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
>
> > Funny you mention that. Who's falling and rising, here happen to be a
> > collection of reviews on four young Chinese pianists' recent recitals
> > within a week span around the world.
>
>
> > Lang Lang At the Royal Albert Hallhttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/97d6fd08-6752-11df-a932-00144feab49a.htmlht......
>
> > Haochen Zhang at the Neurosciences Institutehttp://www.sandiego.com/arts/la-jolla-music-society-discovery-series-...
>
> > And Yuja Wang at the the Sixth and I Synagogue, DChttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-classical-beat/2010/05/two_views...
>
> > Park and River Forest, who also appeared on WFMT last Monday.
>
> > With his current condition technically and musically, how long will
> > Yundi Li hold his "blind and deaf" fans (most of them are BTW because
> > most of his female fans actually know Couch Bags better than Chopin's
> > music)remains to be seen. But you might take a look at his unofficial
> > concert engagements outside China for the coming year through one of
> > his die hard fans from Japan.
>
> >http://www.geocities.jp/yundist/prelude/prelude.html
>
> > Among these, at least I have a winner. Do you? :-)
>
> I've heard Yundi's four Chopin scherzos
> and Prok 2, and am definitely interested
> in hearing more.
>
> All of the other pianists you list except
> Lang are just starting out, and Lang is
> more of a cultural studies kind of
> pianist.
>
> C.
CD's mean nothing. Youtube clips mean nothing. How many live concert
you have heard Yundi Li played? What's the last time you saw him play?
I said most of Li's die hard fans are "blind and deaf" because they
tend to bury their head in the sand of the past. But, if you can't
even tell the basic deficiency Li has in his last London recital
broadcast on line through the BBC radio, I guess, there is very little
to say at all.
By the way, I listed the above pianist happens to be all Chinese,
that's for a good reason, because, outside Chinese (mainland as well
as overseas) and Japanese (mainly female because Li happen to look
like one of their TV star), Yundi Li actually has very limited market
abroad. His main audiences actually don't know classical music that
much. So the occasion is more like a tea party than a real concert.
And very soon, those serious music critics have started to skip his
concerts, and he will be left out in oblivion without a blink. But if
that's what you want, a tea party, be my guess.
About two and half years ago, rumor had it that he was kicked out of
Hannover Hochschule für Musik without graduation for his alleged
laziness and lack of progress, now it seems that that rumor sounded
more and more like a truth, or at least the lack of progress part is
so obvious now. Soon it was followed by his departure from his then
agent for the similar reason, then a year later DGG let his contract
expired without renewing. The last two incidences were then twisted by
hyperbolic Norman Lebrecht, so everybody follows to lay all blames to
Lang Lang and company. But, just how many actually went to Hannover or
other places to do some back grouund check? A rivalry? What rivalry
seriously? At least Lang Lang has his mentors to listen to, who is
Yundi Li's teacher now? Let me say it one more time, what you guys
might have heard from him five six some years ago, are not by his true
self, but rather a duck feeding phenomenon, which is quite common in
China. What you heard now, however, is his true self, somebody
wandering around with no sense of direction.
laraine
That's all we're going to have 50 years from now.
And wasn't it Jeremy Denk who said that you play
many many recitals, etc., then when it sounds
really good, you record. Plus the CD's are cheap
compared to the live concerts.
>How many live concert
> you have heard Yundi Li played? What's the last time you saw him play?
> I said most of Li's die hard fans are "blind and deaf" because they
> tend to bury their head in the sand of the past. But, if you can't
> even tell the basic deficiency Li has in his last London recital
> broadcast on line through the BBC radio, I guess, there is very little
> to say at all.
We had a long discussion about the London recital,
and my opinion was that in spite of the yes obvious
deficiencies, the pianist was a great talent. He has
said he doesn't like playing in large halls. Perhaps
the pedaling he does doesn't quite work there, for
one thing. (I listened to the BBC recording, not the
concert live.)
Because he seems to have had the capability to
make good recordings, I would suggest that the
problem doesn't lie with the fact that he
presumably doesn't have a regular teacher
now, but for other reasons.
>
> By the way, I listed the above pianist happens to be all Chinese,
> that's for a good reason, because, outside Chinese (mainland as well
> as overseas) and Japanese (mainly female because Li happen to look
> like one of their TV star), Yundi Li actually has very limited market
> abroad.
I don't know --from the looks of his schedule,
he has plenty of venues all over the world,
and he certainly sells a lot on amazon US.
>His main audiences actually don't know classical music that
> much. So the occasion is more like a tea party than a real concert.
> And very soon, those serious music critics have started to skip his
> concerts, and he will be left out in oblivion without a blink. But if
> that's what you want, a tea party, be my guess.
As an aside, I'm curious where these
Chinese audiences come from. Are they
Chinese-Americans in NY, or do they fly
from abroad...
>
> About two and half years ago, rumor had it that he was kicked out of
> Hannover Hochschule für Musik without graduation for his alleged
> laziness and lack of progress, now it seems that that rumor sounded
> more and more like a truth, or at least the lack of progress part is
> so obvious now.
But that's a rumor.... and as you say, there
was a rumor that Lang used powers to get Li
kicked off of DG. But Lang denied all that,
so I don't really believe rumors.
Li certainly had lessons from Arie Vardi and
top Chinese teachers.
>Soon it was followed by his departure from his then
> agent for the similar reason, then a year later DGG let his contract
> expired without renewing.
Now I heard it was because they thought
Yuja Wang could make them more money,
yet another rumor.
>The last two incidences were then twisted by
> hyperbolic Norman Lebrecht, so everybody follows to lay all blames to
> Lang Lang and company. But, just how many actually went to Hannover or
> other places to do some back grouund check? A rivalry? What rivalry
> seriously? At least Lang Lang has his mentors to listen to, who is
> Yundi Li's teacher now? Let me say it one more time, what you guys
> might have heard from him five six some years ago, are not by his true
> self, but rather a duck feeding phenomenon, which is quite common in
> China. What you heard now, however, is his true self, somebody
> wandering around with no sense of direction.
I don't know, I'll likely look into his
Chopin nocturnes someday.
To be honest, I think it's a bit much to
expect an 18-year old who wins the Chopin
Competition to be able to play eveyrthing well
right away or even ever. He seems to have
done ok, though.
C.