"sidoze" <sid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123789072....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Indeed. May I take your vote for Dr. self Wrighteous then?
His Chopin essay makes me think he's autistic, or has some sort of
disorder. His written style lapses quite frequently in sort of
emotional retrograde. He'll sound fairly intelligent in one sentence,
then he falls into a sort of 3rd grade show-and-tell narrative. When
his essay draws conclusions from historical evidence he sounds
stunningly immature for a man his age (judging from the photo). The
whole thing is entertaining on one hand, and disturbing on the other.
sidoze" <sid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123789591....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for the reference. I'm doubled up laughing at some of the stuff in this
piece.
-david gable
Well, at least I heard of somebody today who sincerely thinks
Kalkbrenner was a genius while Chopin wasn't.
regards,
SG
I was relieved to see that he "achieved his Doctor of Philosophy degree by
research."
Simon
My vote would go to Hilary Finch. The Gramophone actually improved when she
stopped writing for it.
Graham
"If you take the seven note of the major scale ( the eighth being a
doubling of the first) and arranged them in every possible order to
make a theme the law of mathematics makes it evident that soon you will
run out of original themes."
Ohhh, so that's why 12-tone music was invented. Because they ran out of
diatonic themes! Duh.
On 8/11/05 3:37 PM, in article
1123789072....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "sidoze"
<sid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My vote goes for Musicweb's very own Dr. David C.F. Wright. Just read
> some of his articles, like the one about Chopin. Talk about a eunuch.
You know this from intimate knowledge?
Or it is just one of your passing fantasies?
Actually, I should have thought that the absence or presence of testicles
was impossible to detect without a close physical examination.
TD
On 8/11/05 5:06 PM, in article
1123794413.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "SG"
<SGG...@gmail.com> wrote:
That is as may be. And obviously opinions may vary.
But I still have no indication that this gentleman has had his testicles
removed.
TD
All of them.
dk
I don't know what's special about this guy. All critics sound pretty
much just like him to me...his opinions are simply stronger and less
orthodox than most.
J
>I don't know what's special about this guy. All critics sound pretty much just like him to me...his opinions are simply stronger and less orthodox than most.
Ah, how debased the concept of "the critic" has become. Coleridge was
a critic. Oscar Wilde was a critic. These knuckleheads are reviewers.
-david gable
What? No mention of my bête noir, André Tubeuf? Or of my former
professor, Susan McClary?
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> If you wish, as far as I am concerned almost all of them are equally
> incompetent and useless - oh bring back the days of Conrad L. Osborne, Will
> Crutchfield and David Hamilton - now they could write about musical
> performances and the current crop don't deserve to shine their shoes
> Richard
>
I wish Fanfare could bring back Vince Alfano.
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> On 8/11/05 4:06 PM, in article --ednQNp-JVB...@comcast.com,
> "Richard Loeb" <loe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> If you wish, as far as I am concerned almost all of them are equally
>> incompetent and useless - oh bring back the days of Conrad L. Osborne,
>> Will Crutchfield and David Hamilton - now they could write about
>> musical performances and the current crop don't deserve to shine their
>> shoes Richard
>
> I wish Fanfare could bring back Vince Alfano.
Vinnie is, in fact, my favorite Fanfare reviewer of all time. It tore out
my heart to read that he had died.
Thomas
On 8/12/05 7:54 AM, in article 42fc8...@news.arcor-ip.de, "Thomas
Muething" <tmuetBUGGER-OF...@t-online.de> wrote:
And who fancy themselves as "critics".
TD
Thanks. It's good to know that so much of the music I admire comes not from
"great", but merely "famous" composers.
--
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Gainesville, Florida
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You have to read his essay about what makes a great composer before you
can fully realise what an idiot he is.
Joan of Arc and Boudicca might have moonlighted as whores. That
doesn't make prostitution noble.
J
> Ah, how debased the concept of "the critic" has become. Coleridge was
> a critic. Oscar Wilde was a critic. These knuckleheads are reviewers.
And Mr. Harrington sagely remarked:
>Joan of Arc and Boudicca might have moonlighted as whores. That doesn't make prostitution noble.
Where do you stand on Kant's Critique of Pure Reason?
-david gable
Wow.
This guy writes at barely grade school level.
dk
No, you don't have to read the full essay.
Just the first sentence.
dk
On 8/12/05 7:49 PM, in article 42fd356d$1...@news.meer.net, "Dan Koren"
<dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
That should make it easy for you to understand, no?
TD
Not at all.
I'm not that smart.
dk
By Wright's rule #9, Bruckner, Mahler
and Wagner were not great composers ;-)
dk
On 8/12/05 10:44 PM, in article 42fd5e9c$1...@news.meer.net, "Dan Koren"
<dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Opinions always vary, as you know full well.
I still haven't found out how Sidoze(sic!) knew that he had had his
testicles removed.
Could he have been speaking metaphorically?
Not possible. A pedestrian mind.
TD
J
On 13/8/05 12:49 am, in article 42fd356d$1...@news.meer.net, "Dan Koren"
Yes, that was a terribly insensitive comment to make in a group in
which you post.
J
I know you're always trying new stuff, but self-effacingly admitting to
your stupidity is not going to make you look smart either.
J
On 8/13/05 9:28 AM, in article BF23B433.D99D%josepv...@hotmail.com,
"Josep Vilanova" <josepv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's not only that he writes at a school level. There is something else in
> his writing. He may well be autistic. That writing is too unstable to be
> only bad. He can talk in one sentence about something outlandish, like when
> he mentions Chopin being treated of constipation, and then suddenly move to
> something completely unrelated. Of course, people with autistic spectrum
> disorders, like anyone else, have the right to write about whatever they
> want.. But to have it published? They may be a problem with quality control
> in that MusicWeb website.
That is as nothing compared to the quality control we have here.
TD
On 8/13/05 12:00 PM, in article
1123948848.4...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "John Harrington"
<bear...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not as insensitive as this post, which is also stupid.
TD
For others:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Dec02/Chopin_Wright.htm
It was sort of a shocking read, mainly for the atrocious writing
and mindset. (Not for what he considered "dirty"...)
But, you describe it well. And you're generous while doing so.
- A
--
http://www.andrys.com
And he lets us know that despite his low opinion of
Chopin's composing abilities, there'll always be pieces
he will play. Gosh. What a seal of approval.
And then there's this illuminating insight:
"If we compare Bach with Stravinsky it has to be said that
Stravinsky was both far more original and versatile.
For example, Bach wrote no opera. Stravinsky did."
And the concept of "professional senior musicians"
to back up his thoughts is intriguing.
> My vote goes for Musicweb's very own Dr. David C.F. Wright. Just read
> some of his articles, like the one about Chopin. Talk about a eunuch.
>
> http://www.musicweb-international.com/wright/index.htm
It's a tie between D. Wright and David Hurwitz; Ray Tuttle comes close,
unless he improved recently.
-MM
Whether or not you like David Hurwitz, he's a good writer
while D. Wright is an atrocious one.
>
And for yet another opinion: Hurwitz is a mediocrity as a writer, an
idiot as a critic, and a failure as a human being.
J
"Whether or not you like David Hurwitz, he's a good writer while D.
Wright is an atrocious one."
True. When a pathetically comical failure proclaims David a failure,
that's a good sign. I hope David is in better health now and will
contribute again soon. At least he was somebody worthy of being argued
with, however strongly.
regards,
SG
Nick
DH does what a good critic should do. Explain the music, the performance,
with comparisons, and there are few better. Maybe some, or many, are more
eloquent and poetic, but DH hits the button every time.
As for being a successful human being, I don't see too many examples in this
group, as if you would be able to tell anyway.
Ray H
Taree
Tom Wood
Margaret Mikulska wrote:
Sorry to disagree, but I have found Raymond Tuttle's Fanfare reviews to
be quite helpful. Does anyone recall his postings here several years
ago. Incidentally, I want to offer a word of praise for another Fanfare
reviewer--Robert Kirzinger; this, of course, means that he likes many of
the same contemporary composers that I like.
Allen
On 8/13/05 8:31 PM, in article
1123979469....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Margaret Mikulska"
<musik...@gmail.com> wrote:
Careful.
You might attract DH back here to defend his "honour".
TD
On 8/14/05 1:22 AM, in article
1123996936....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "SG"
<SGG...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Andrys:
>
> "Whether or not you like David Hurwitz, he's a good writer while D.
> Wright is an atrocious one."
>
> True. When a pathetically comical failure proclaims David a failure,
> that's a good sign. I hope David is in better health now and will
> contribute again soon.
If I were Tepper, I would wish DH continued ill health. I am not, so I do
hope that he is feeling better.
But I also would hope that he could learn to trust the facts instead of what
he gleans from the industry mavens he associates with. His "take" on the
current state of the classical record business is the industry "take", and
that is not only self-serving, it is plain wrong.
Perhaps his improved health will reach his brain, allowing him to gain some
independence of thought.
TD
I hate picking a "stupidest" critic. It's a little like picking a
"stupidest" game show host, but I have to second this, if significance
and impact are to be considered. The likes of Vroon, Wright, Hurwitz,
et al. will go down in history as failing to go down in history, but
Haggin seems to have some staying power, and that alone qualifies him
for urgent ridicule.
J
On 8/13/05 8:48 PM, in article ddm4bv$qo$1...@reader2.panix.com, "Andrys
Basten" <and...@panix.com> wrote:
> Whether or not you like David Hurwitz, he's a good writer
> while D. Wright is an atrocious one.
What do you think makes him a "good writer"?
Just curious.
You see, I have yet to detect anything "good" about his writing.
Lengthy, yes. Verbose, yes. Dense, yes.
But not good.
Good writers have clear ideas and use clear language to express those ideas.
I really don't fancy getting into the clouded, murky mind of someone who is
probably on the wrong track to begin with but who spends all his time
counting the rail ties rather than observing the scenery.
No, Andrys. Not a "good" writer.
TD
"Whether or not you like David Hurwitz, he's a good writer while D.
Wright is an atrocious one."
You know, opinions differ on what constitutes a good writer. Probably
you noticed that D. Wright actually has an admirer in this ng. Some
kind of specious affinity, probably. The great spirits resonate with
each other.
What's funny is how writers mediocre at best believe that their image
of what constitutes good writing is gospel letter. Dave Hurwitz would
allegedly be verbose. Why? Because his mind is complex enough not to
habitually think in two-three words sentences, which represents some
kindergarten concept of clarity.
You understand. My point.
Or not. Do you?
"Clarity" above all.
My attention span?
Easily challenged.
Don't mess it.
My brain hurts. You are mean.
Were you saying?... I forgot.
I forget. Especially these days.
What? I was right?
I usually am. I love myself. And my English.
Writing? I am the best. I love myself. Said that already? Worth
repeating.
I love myself. Hearing myself speak. Or write. Think, on Christmas.
Whatever.
Etc. etc. etc.
regards,
SG
I still say André Tubeuf, with his pretentious and inane drivel.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Hey spammers, look what happened to Vardan Kushnir. You're next!
On 8/14/05 1:28 PM, in article
1124040489.9...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "SG"
<SGG...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Clarity" above all.
>
> My attention span?
>
> Easily challenged.
>
> Don't mess it.
>
> My brain hurts. You are mean.
>
> Were you saying?... I forgot.
>
> I forget. Especially these days.
>
> What? I was right?
>
> I usually am. I love myself. And my English.
>
> Writing? I am the best. I love myself. Said that already? Worth
> repeating.
>
> I love myself. Hearing myself speak. Or write. Think, on Christmas.
> Whatever.
Much better.
Now, if only Golescu would think his musical thoughts in this fashion they
would make sense. As for the political ones, well, we can just do without
those anyway.
TD
On 8/14/05 1:55 PM, in article Xns96B26F16C36...@207.69.189.191,
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy?@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "SG" <SGG...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters to be
> typed in news:1123996936....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Andrys:
>>
>> "Whether or not you like David Hurwitz, he's a good writer while D.
>> Wright is an atrocious one."
>>
>> True. When a pathetically comical failure proclaims David a failure,
>> that's a good sign. I hope David is in better health now and will
>> contribute again soon. At least he was somebody worthy of being argued
>> with, however strongly.
>
> I still say André Tubeuf, with his pretentious and inane drivel.
You have to read Tubeuf in the original French. Even there it takes some
swallowing, as it is, like a lot of French prose, highly abstract. In
English translation it is utter jibberish, of course.
TD
I did. That's why I posted what I did. It's ridiculous.
--
Dana Hill
Gainesville, Florida
Photography: www.danajohnhill.com
Personal: www.danajohnhill.org