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Abbedd4

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Mar 31, 2002, 7:47:20 PM3/31/02
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I just got Mortimer Frank's Toscaninin N.B.C. Book. The personel list was very
disappointing. Does anybody know if any of the musicians are still alive?
There must be a few..

I can clear up some French Horn mysteries. The first principal was Albert
Stagliono not Frank Stagliono. He was the uncle of James Stagliano long time
principal of the Boston Symphony. Why he was replaced is a mystery.

For the last 16 years(of 17) the section was:

Arthur Berv-Principal
Jack Berv-Second
Harry Berv-Third
Arturo Cerino-Fourth

Alfredo Corrado was the assistant for many years until Tony Miranda replaced
him I think in 1951


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Hat NYC 62

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Mar 31, 2002, 8:12:24 PM3/31/02
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<< Arthur Berv-Principal
Jack Berv-Second
Harry Berv-Third >>


Apparently known around NYC as the "Nerve Brothers"

David Wesolowicz

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Mar 31, 2002, 9:47:09 PM3/31/02
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...but who's on 1st?

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Matthew B. Tepper

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Mar 31, 2002, 10:19:20 PM3/31/02
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abb...@aol.com (Abbedd4) wrote in
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> I just got Mortimer Frank's Toscaninin N.B.C. Book. The personel list
> was very disappointing. Does anybody know if any of the musicians
> are still alive? There must be a few..

Paul Renzi (flute) and Leonard Sharrow (bassoon), for starters. I haven't
seen obituaries for either.

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Heck51

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Apr 1, 2002, 12:42:36 AM4/1/02
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Check out this site, if you've not already :

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1937/nbcplayers.html

It's not 100% accurate, but it's pretty good. leaves out a few of which i'm aware.

Brendan R. Wehrung

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Apr 1, 2002, 1:21:10 AM4/1/02
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I think I could do without the organ, if it wasn't part of some ad pop-up.

Brendan

Rtsina

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Apr 1, 2002, 1:48:23 PM4/1/02
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>Paul Renzi (flute) and Leonard Sharrow (bassoon), for starters. I haven't
>seen obituaries for either

Paul Renzi, Jr., is still the Principal Flute of the SanFrancisco Symphony. I
believe he teaches at San Francisco State University as well.

DT

Matthew B. Tepper

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Apr 1, 2002, 3:37:15 PM4/1/02
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Renzi was active in both of those capacities when I matriculated at State
back in 1973!

Abbedd4

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:37:18 PM4/1/02
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Regarding Lenaord Sharrow. Didn't he leave in 1952 to go to the Chicago
Symphony? Who replaced him then/ Elias Carmen?

Regarding Paul Renzi Jr. I think Frank';s book is wrong. Arthur Lora did not
play principal flute till 1954. I think till 1952.Wasn't Renzi the new
principal.

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Don Drewecki

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Apr 1, 2002, 9:01:46 PM4/1/02
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Also still alive are Alan Schulman and Emanuel Vardi. Harry Berv is
still alive. I think Milton Katims is, too.

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Don Drewecki
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Don Drewecki

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Apr 1, 2002, 9:04:55 PM4/1/02
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Principal flutes of the NBC SO:

John Wummer (1937-41 or '42, left to joing the NY Phil)
Carmine Coppola (42-47), father of Francis Ford Coppola
Arthur Lora (1947-52)
Paul Renzi Jr. (1952-54)

I think Renzi may have been in the orchestra for several years before
taking over from Lora.

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Don Drewecki

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Apr 1, 2002, 9:06:01 PM4/1/02
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Also, I think violist Nathan Gordon is still alive.
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Don Drewecki
<dre...@rpi.edu>

Matthew B. Tepper

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Apr 1, 2002, 11:51:19 PM4/1/02
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dre...@rpi.edu (Don Drewecki) wrote in news:a8b3k7
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> Principal flutes of the NBC SO:
>
> John Wummer (1937-41 or '42, left to joing the NY Phil)
> Carmine Coppola (42-47), father of Francis Ford Coppola
> Arthur Lora (1947-52)
> Paul Renzi Jr. (1952-54)
>
> I think Renzi may have been in the orchestra for several years before
> taking over from Lora.

I discussed this with him once in some detail. He was in the San
Francisco Symphony for a while in the early 1940s, left for military
service, then went to NBC until it disbanded. He had dropped the "Jr."
when I knew him. Eventually he went back to the San Francisco Symphony
and has spent several years there as principal flute.

The Melsons

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Apr 2, 2002, 7:27:44 AM4/2/02
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This from Jay Shulman, son of cellist (and composer) Alan Shulman, a
long-time member of the NBC Symphony:

"My father, Alan Shulman, is still living. From the NBC cello section
charter member Harvey Shapiro is also. George Koutzen and Tony Sophos
are. I saw Milton Katims in Seattle last summer - he is still playing
tennis at 92. I saw Dave Walter last spring when Harvey Sachs read a
paper on Toscanini at NYPL.

Sam Kissel is living in Connecticut. I did a job for Harry Berv not
too long ago. Dave Sarser is on Long Island. Ray Crisara was in Texas.
I believe Harold Schachner and Leonard Sharrow are alive. Al Gallodoro
is still playing and has a website: www.algallodoro.com.

Recently deceased: Oscar Shumsky, Bernard Robbins, Harry Lookofsky,
Harold Coletta, Tony Miranda, Nat Gordon.

My article on Laura Newell appeared in the Summer, 2001, issue of the
American Harp Journal. I have produced a CD of Alan Shulman's works
broadcast by the NBC Symphony which will appear on Bridge Records this
spring. Hope this helps, Jay Shulman."

I too, hope this helps.

Mark Melson

Matthew B. Tepper

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Apr 2, 2002, 10:30:44 AM4/2/02
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mmelson4**NOSPAM**@attbi.com (The Melsons) wrote in
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> This from Jay Shulman, son of cellist (and composer) Alan Shulman, a
> long-time member of the NBC Symphony:
>
> "My father, Alan Shulman, is still living. From the NBC cello section
> charter member Harvey Shapiro is also. George Koutzen and Tony Sophos
> are. I saw Milton Katims in Seattle last summer - he is still playing
> tennis at 92. I saw Dave Walter last spring when Harvey Sachs read a
> paper on Toscanini at NYPL.
>
> Sam Kissel is living in Connecticut. I did a job for Harry Berv not
> too long ago. Dave Sarser is on Long Island. Ray Crisara was in Texas.
> I believe Harold Schachner and Leonard Sharrow are alive. Al Gallodoro
> is still playing and has a website: www.algallodoro.com.
>
> Recently deceased: Oscar Shumsky, Bernard Robbins, Harry Lookofsky,
> Harold Coletta, Tony Miranda, Nat Gordon.
>
> My article on Laura Newell appeared in the Summer, 2001, issue of the
> American Harp Journal. I have produced a CD of Alan Shulman's works
> broadcast by the NBC Symphony which will appear on Bridge Records this
> spring. Hope this helps, Jay Shulman."
>
> I too, hope this helps.
>
> Mark Melson

It is indeed.

How about solo performers who appeared with Toscanini? Their number is
also rapidly dwindling. The first two who come to mind are Earl Wild and
Robert Merrill.

August Helmbright

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Apr 2, 2002, 1:48:02 PM4/2/02
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dre...@rpi.edu (Don Drewecki) wrote in message news:<a8b3m9$g...@cortez.sss.rpi.edu>...

> Also, I think violist Nathan Gordon is still alive.

No idea if he's alive now, but Daniel Guilet, the concertmaster for
the last 2 seasons, was at the University of Oklahoma when I was still
in high school (Norman, OK) and for the first couple of years I was at
O.U. Unfortunately, when I heard him in a recital, he was LONG past
when he should have given up playing in public. Horrendous intonation,
which I ascribed (guessing) to arthritis in the fingers.

Don Drewecki

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Apr 2, 2002, 4:42:59 PM4/2/02
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Daniel Guilet died perhaps 15 years ago, I think, in Switzerland, in his
early 90s. Arthur Lora also died about ten years ago, in _his_ early
90s.

Thanks for the info, Mark and everyone.

Now what we need is for Seth Winner to produce a reissue of recordings
by players in the NBC Symphony. I remember a 10-inch Columbia LP that
had John Wummer and Laura Newell performing, of (I think) American
chamber music a la Arthur Foote. Musical Heritage Society put out some
with people like Leonard Sharrow.

By the way, I'm glad to see Sylvester Weaver take his leave of this
planet two weeks ago. The father of Sigourney Weaver once loudly
proclaimed that "Every program must pay for itself" at NBC, and that's
when the orchestra players saw the handwriting on the wall. For all we
hear about "Today", "Tonight" and "Wisdom", Weaver was president of NBC
when the orchestra was disbanded.
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Don Drewecki
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Abbedd4

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Apr 2, 2002, 6:15:15 PM4/2/02
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So the N.B.C had three brothers in the Horn Section and A father and Son in the
principal woodwinds. Unique, I would say!!!


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Rtsina

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Apr 2, 2002, 6:32:23 PM4/2/02
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>
>Now what we need is for Seth Winner to produce a reissue of recordings
>by players in the NBC Symphony. I remember a 10-inch Columbia LP that
>had John Wummer and Laura Newell performing, of (I think) American
>chamber music a la Arthur Foote. Musical Heritage Society put out some
>with people like Leonard Sharrow.
>
>By the way, I'm glad to see Sylvester Weaver take his leave of this
>planet two weeks ago. The father of Sigourney Weaver once loudly
>proclaimed that "Every program must pay for itself" at NBC, and that's
>when the orchestra players saw the handwriting on the wall. For all we
>hear about "Today", "Tonight" and "Wisdom", Weaver was president of NBC
>when the orchestra was disbanded.
>-

There was also a Vox Box of Corelli Concerti Grossi played by NBC musicians,
including Frank Miller.

Eric Grunin

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Apr 2, 2002, 10:39:56 PM4/2/02
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On 1 Apr 2002 06:21:10 GMT, ck...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brendan R.
Wehrung) wrote:

>
>I think I could do without the organ, if it wasn't part of some ad pop-up.
>

It's not! The "off" button is at the bottom of the page.

Edward A. Cowan

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:16:28 AM4/3/02
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Rtsina <rts...@aol.com> wrote:

> There was also a Vox Box of Corelli Concerti Grossi played by NBC musicians,
> including Frank Miller.

I still have that one on LP. I remember a review (but not the reviewer)
who remarked, upon noting the fact that the orchestra was made up of NBC
SO musicians, that "NBC stands for 'nothing but Corelli'"...

--E.A.C.

Seth Winner

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Apr 3, 2002, 10:18:35 PM4/3/02
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I think there was a father/son combo in the percussion section...David &
Martin grupp.
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Wayne Reimer

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Apr 9, 2002, 2:44:52 AM4/9/02
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In article <b9dccd07.02040...@posting.google.com>,
august_h...@yahoo.com says...
Guilet was also one of the original members of the Beaux Arts Trio and
was with that group for quite a few year, I think. I remember him from
his time at the Univ. of Oklahoma, too, and can almost say I studied with
him, even though I was a piano student. What happened was that I was the
accompanist for one of his violin students who was working on some Mozart
sonatas. It was not unusual for him to spend a whole coaching session
working with me on the piano part and ignoring the student! I felt
really terrible for the student, but also felt Guilet was imparting some
rare musical knowledge to me and was happy for that. The closest he came
to explaining why he was spending all the time working with me was that
the sonatas are piano sonatas with violin accompaniment, not the other
way around. This hardly mollified the student, who had not only paid
the tuition to study with Guilet, but also paid for my services, too.

I heard him in a faculty chamber recital and remember the playing to be
riveting, even though he did sometimes have some intonation problems.
Maybe it was on a better day than the time you heard him, because it
didn't seem all that bad, really. What I do remember as being pretty
awful was a odd messing up of a few measures in a piano/string piece
(Schumann quartet, I think) where he somehow shifted a half-tone out of
key for just long enough for us to realize what was happening. Weird,
and sort of scary since I thought he might be having some kind of break-
down, but he shifted back and kept going as if nothing had happened, and
it ended up being quite a wonderful performance, overall.

He was a remarkable individual, but I think he was not at all happy to be
in Oklahoma at the end of such a career. Poor guy - it must have seemed
like being banished to Siberia, even if the Univ. was something of an
cultural oasis.

wr

notrump15-17

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May 4, 2002, 8:13:29 AM5/4/02
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I was acquainted with Joe Reines whose uncle, Abe Reines, played double
bassoon for the duration of the Maestro's NBC tenunre. BTW, Joe played the
same instrument for the NSO during the 1970s.
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