Rachmaninoff Preludes Recommendations
Citizen
several days for the purpose of finding the best complete set.
Unfortunately, I haven't found a complete set to be pleasing yet. The
best I've heard have come from incomplete sets, alas.
My impressions:
Richter: WOW. I can't imagine Rachmaninoff played better. I know he
didn't record a complete set, but perhaps he recorded every prelude,
just not all at once? I have the preludes on Philips GPOTC, DG
"Richter: In Memoriam," RCA "Richter Rediscovered: 1960 Carnegie Hall
Recital," as well as the single one (G-sharp minor) he played in his
1958 Sofia recital. Are there any preludes not included above that are
available elsewhere?
Rachmaninoff himself: These are very good. They aren't
over-sentimentalized. Too bad he didn't record more of them.
Interestingly, neither of his two recordings of the C-sharp minor were
very good, IMO.
Cliburn: Also not a complete set, but IMO excellent. They remind me of
Richter, with a little less "drive."
Hobson: The best complete set I've heard. Sometimes seems a bit cold
to me.
Weissenberg: Very bad, IMO. It seems to have no "feeling."
Lill: Aweful.
Laredo: Boring.
Kissin: Incomplete set. I find some of the tempestuous ones to be
pretty good, though I normally dislike Kissin.
Ogdon: The few selections I heard had a quite harsh tone.
di Bonaventura: This less-known pianist didn't impress me. Not did
the playing seem perfunctory, the recorded sound -- for a modern CD --
was awful.
Fiorentino: I remember hearing some of his preludes a couple of years
ago on LP at a friend's house. They were quite good, I recall. Does
anyone know if these were released on CD?
--
Ones I haven't heard: Shelley, Ashkenazy (I can't stand his brittle
tone, so didn't get his set), Santiago Rodriguez, Donohoe (for some
reason I think he recorded them), Sofronitsky (incomplete)
So, of the ones that I haven't heard/don't have, which are recommended?
I am especially interested in Fiorentino, if his are available on CD.
What about Santiago Rodriguez and Sofronitsky? Shelley's Rachmaninoff
doesn't impress me, so I don't plan on getting his set. If Ashkenazy
has a listenable tone for once, I might get his set, too.
graham
"Citizen" <Flammes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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also lists recordings by Fiorentino but not the Rach preludes).
Graham
Vaneyes
Berezovsky.
Regards
Ward Hardman
I have an LP set (Phillips World Series) by Constance Keene, a fiery
little Brooklyn girl, whom Arthur Rubinstein praised quite highly.
(Rubinstein sent his own kids to Keene, wife and piano-duo partner of
Abram Chasins, for their piano lessons.) I believe that this set was
once on CD (Protone), but don't see any current availability for it.
This is what Rubinstein said about her playing: "I was flabbergasted by
the fantastic color, sweep and imagination and, last but not least, by
the incredible technique. ... I cannot imagine anybody, including
Rachmaninoff, playing the piano so beautifully."
I don't know whether Rubinstein said that about her playing on this set
or about her Rachmaninoff playing in general, but that's the
endorsement on the album cover, so you can take that for what it's
worth. See
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20060203/ai_n16054794
and
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000003BOK/002-6521702-0359249?v=glance&n=5174
and for pictures (you may have to hit the "refresh" button on your
browser a few times of her picture in the first site, she seems to be
shy about appearing, page down enough to get her entire face before
hitting the button, but the picture will disappear if any other window
is dragged across it):
and
http://www.concertartist.info/IMCA/KEE002.html
In looking for mention of Keene's set, I found this mention of another
pianist, Frederick Moyer, whom I've never heard of, but whose
Rachmaninoff sounds interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000IKTQ
--Ward Hardman
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Graham
rkhalona
Citizen wrote:
>
> So, of the ones that I haven't heard/don't have, which are recommended?
> I am especially interested in Fiorentino, if his are available on CD.
> What about Santiago Rodriguez and Sofronitsky? Shelley's Rachmaninoff
> doesn't impress me, so I don't plan on getting his set. If
Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection
right now).
It was released on a 2-CD set with other Rachmaninoff piano works.
I agree re: Richter, but don't miss Moiseiwitsch's recording of the Op.
32 B-flat minor prelude (there was an APR release that gives it its
best sound).
RK
gperkins151
rkhalona wrote:
> > What about Santiago Rodriguez ?
I've read good things, I think I'll order it tonight and get back to
you.
> Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection
> right now).
I own this one, good stuff. Not all are great but about half are. Even
better is Anievas on EMI, he's probably my fave at this point. If you
live in NYC, Academy has it (in the Liszt section), though I think its
OOP.
Daniel Levenstein
> I am especially interested in Fiorentino, if his are available on CD.
> What about Santiago Rodriguez and Sofronitsky? Shelley's Rachmaninoff
> doesn't impress me, so I don't plan on getting his set. If Ashkenazy
> has a listenable tone for once, I might get his set, too.
For the Preludes...
I second Alexeev, but even better than his studio Virgin 2-fer is his
disc of Rachmaninov and Scriabin recorded live in concerts at the
Moscow Conservatory 1980 to 1987. btw the Alexeev/Demidenko CD of
2-piano Medtner and Rachmaninov is terrific.
Gavrilov studio is very good (fast and furious), but even better is his
live concert recording of Rachmaninov and Scriabin, recorded in Moscow
1984 and Prague 1994 (both on EMI).
Santiago Rodriguez is excellent.
Zoltan Kocsis on Philips is very good, as is Andrei Nikolsky on Arte
Nova.
Vitalij Margulis has a wonderful gravitas to his Rach preludes.
Gilels recorded 5 preludes in 1959 that have some clinkers but are
great.
Daniel Levenstein
Frank Berger
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I'm sorry I looked. Seriously, with all the rave reviews of her
Rachmaninov, you'd think some of it would actually be in print. How silly
of me to think that.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Citizen wrote:
>>
>> So, of the ones that I haven't heard/don't have, which are recommended?
>> I am especially interested in Fiorentino, if his are available on CD.
>> What about Santiago Rodriguez and Sofronitsky? Shelley's Rachmaninoff
>> doesn't impress me, so I don't plan on getting his set. If
>
> Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection right
> now). It was released on a 2-CD set with other Rachmaninoff piano works.
I just gave that one to a friend of mine as a 60th birthday present. Maybe
I'll borrow it back from him sometime and give it a listen myself.
> I agree re: Richter, but don't miss Moiseiwitsch's recording of the Op.
> 32 B-flat minor prelude (there was an APR release that gives it its
> best sound).
I knew there was some reason I had kept that release, despite everything on
it having also been issued by Naxos.
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Citizen
> Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection
> right now).
> It was released on a 2-CD set with other Rachmaninoff piano works.
> I agree re: Richter, but don't miss Moiseiwitsch's recording of the Op.
> 32 B-flat minor prelude (there was an APR release that gives it its
> best sound).
>
> RK
I saw a video of Moiseiwitsch playing this prelude once; he was indeed
very good. Did he record any others?
Citizen
> Gavrilov studio is very good (fast and furious), but even better is his
> live concert recording of Rachmaninov and Scriabin, recorded in Moscow
> 1984 and Prague 1994 (both on EMI).
I have an EMI CD of Gavrilov with some preludes, etudes-tableaux, and
moments musicaux. I can't find it right now, and all I can remember
about it is that it had a *terrible* etude Op. 39 No. 5 (in E-flat
minor) on it. For those that don't know, this is a very passionate
etude, often played as an encore. He played it extremely slowly (yes,
I know this is very strange for Gabrilov), with barely no dynamic and
rhythmic fluctuations, leading to a soporific, if not painfully bad,
experience. In case you're wondering, for this etude-tableau I prefer
Cliburn's version.
Henk van Tuijl
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I have the preludes 3:2, 23:5, 32:10,
32:5 and 32:12. They are available on
Naxos.
Henk
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> So, of the ones that I haven't heard/don't have, which are recommended?
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the recording of the complete
set by Agustin Anievas on the EMI label. He appears to be reitred from
the concert stage now, but in his prime (these were recorded in the
1970's), Anievas was one of the best pianists in the Romantic
repertoire. This is a 2-CD set, which also includes fine recordings on
the second disc of the Chopin Sonata Op. 58, Liszt B minor Sonata, and
four other short Rachmaninoff pieces.
Alan Cooper
wrote:
>I've been listening to the Rachmaninoff preludes quite a bit the last
>several days for the purpose of finding the best complete set.
>Unfortunately, I haven't found a complete set to be pleasing yet. The
>best I've heard have come from incomplete sets, alas.
For a complete set, try Jung-Ja Kim on Kleos. I've recommended this a
few times, but no one seems to believe me. It sounds like fine
playing to me, although of course she is surpassed in individual works
by Richter et al..
AC
rk
> I've been listening to the Rachmaninoff preludes quite a bit the last
> several days for the purpose of finding the best complete set.
> Unfortunately, I haven't found a complete set to be pleasing yet. The
> best I've heard have come from incomplete sets, alas.
>
> My impressions:
>
> Richter: WOW. I can't imagine Rachmaninoff played better. I know he
> didn't record a complete set, but perhaps he recorded every prelude,
> just not all at once? I have the preludes on Philips GPOTC, DG
> "Richter: In Memoriam," RCA "Richter Rediscovered: 1960 Carnegie Hall
> Recital," as well as the single one (G-sharp minor) he played in his
> 1958 Sofia recital. Are there any preludes not included above that are
> available elsewhere?
I think you can find more Richter´s Preludes from BBC Legends, TNC
(Richter in Kiev), Regis (70´s studio set), Parnassus and Doremi (more
or less in print currently). I´m pretty sure he played only about half
of the preludes, so these recordings contain more or less the same
pieces. I like DG ("In memoriam") the best.
I have a complete set Ronald Brautigam which is quite good, though not
in the league of Richter.
rk
Vaneyes
Enjoy your Cliburn.
Just relistened, to see if my Gavrilov recording had changed. Nope.
The E-T's neither terrible or painfully bad. I might have an issue with
his EMI Tchaik 1 PC tempo, but not this. Regardless, his artistry
remains intact.
Regards
Matthew B. Tepper
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> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the recording of the complete
> set by Agustin Anievas on the EMI label.
Actually, gperkins151 did so last night: http://tinyurl.com/s2hd7
gperkins151
Thanks Matthew. Perhaps it has not been mentioned because its OOP?
BTW, Virgin has his complete Rach piano and orchestra works for $10 on
sale, though I have not been enticed from what I have heard and read.
Matthew B. Tepper
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>> > I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the recording of the complete
>> > set by Agustin Anievas on the EMI label.
>>
>> Actually, gperkins151 did so last night: http://tinyurl.com/s2hd7
>
> Thanks Matthew. Perhaps it has not been mentioned because its OOP?
> BTW, Virgin has his complete Rach piano and orchestra works for $10 on
> sale, though I have not been enticed from what I have heard and read.
I wish there were a legit CD reissue of his Brahms Handel and Paganini
Variations.
Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim
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>
> little Brooklyn girl, whom Arthur Rubinstein praised quite highly.
> (Rubinstein sent his own kids to Keene, wife and piano-duo partner of
> Abram Chasins, for their piano lessons.) I believe that this set was
> once on CD (Protone), but don't see any current availability for it.
>
> This is what Rubinstein said about her playing: "I was flabbergasted by
> the fantastic color, sweep and imagination and, last but not least, by
> the incredible technique. ... I cannot imagine anybody, including
> Rachmaninoff, playing the piano so beautifully."
>
I have that Protone set (CD 1101) from 1986 or thereabouts. Very enjoyable
IMO.
I also have and like Weissenberg's.
Back to Keene - she recorded nine sonatas by Hummel; can anyone recommend
this set (separate CDs)? An alternative would be Ian Hobson (six, on
Arabesque), or wait for Hough to record more than three of 'em. TIA for
any opinions.
Russ (not Martha)
rkhalona
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> > Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
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> >>
> >> > I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the recording of the complete
> >> > set by Agustin Anievas on the EMI label.
> >>
> >> Actually, gperkins151 did so last night: http://tinyurl.com/s2hd7
> >
> > Thanks Matthew. Perhaps it has not been mentioned because its OOP?
> > BTW, Virgin has his complete Rach piano and orchestra works for $10 on
> > sale, though I have not been enticed from what I have heard and read.
>
> I wish there were a legit CD reissue of his Brahms Handel and Paganini
> Variations.
>
A long rumored release on Testament hasn't materialized. I've been
waiting for this for over a decade.
Back to Rachmaninoff preludes, Lazar Berman recorded a few of them for
DG (Preludes
op. 3, 2;op. 23 Nr. 1, 2,4;op. 32 Nr. 10 & 12 -- in Op. 32 No. 10 he
gives Richter and Moiseiwitsch a run for their money). The disc also
contains his recording of Rachmaninoff's Corelli Variations and
Vasary's recording of the Paganini Rhapsody with LSO/Ahronovitch.
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/8640707/rk/classic/rsk/hitlist
RK
Matthew B. Tepper
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You know, Lazar Berman's reluctance or refusal (or whatever it was) to be
tied down to a single label during his heyday has really worked against
him. His Columbia recordings have mostly disappeared without a trace
(well, duh), not all of his DGGs have surfaced (some of them, such as
these, in odd couplings or collections), that Schubert D. 960 on EMI has
become invisible (yes, I know about the remake on Discover), and only some
of the Melodiyas have been available from whichever labels claimed that
they had bought the rights.
gperkins151
Citizen wrote:
> So, of the ones that I haven't heard/don't have, which are recommended?
> I am especially interested in Fiorentino, if his are available on CD.
> What about Santiago Rodriguez and Sofronitsky? Shelley's Rachmaninoff
> doesn't impress me, so I don't plan on getting his set. If Ashkenazy
> has a listenable tone for once, I might get his set, too.
Ashkenazy's best remastering is in the Legends Series on Decca. IMO, he
is on of the few pianists who conveys the intensity AND fragility in
these works. He's excellent.
As for Rodriguez, I compared his Prelude from the Op.3 works since
that's the only Prelude I have by him. Its incredibly dark and
powerful, but his tempo is MUCH slower than the norm:
Rodriguez 6:12
Ashy 4:38
Alexeev 4:25
Anievas 4:35
I wonder if the the rest of his preludes are as "slow motion" as this?
rkhalona
Wait till Pogorelich records it. :-)
RK
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I think all this may depend on your view of the pianist (s). I would
choose Hatto, Fiorentino and Anievas not in any particular order but
because (it seems to me) none of them break up the singing line of Mr R
and all three get to the heart of these pieces, in my view.
Mr Fiorentino recently released on APR. I do not think everyone gets
the lyric nature of these pieces throughout but I believe all three of
those do.
Mr F slightly disadvantaged by the age of the recording but not
musically. All a joy to hear, I think.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
David Fox
Germans innately understand Beethoven better, the French have deeper
insight into Debussy, etc - but I make a slight exception for
Rachmaninoff. I believe there is a Russian vocal cadence that is
embedded in his phrasing, and so much is lost if it is not conveyed. I
remember hearing Cherkassky play the "VR Polka" at Carnegie Hall, and I
was reminded so vividly of my departed (Russian) grandfather's voice
that I was immediately moved to tears. In the wrong hands,
Rachmaninoff is so many (many, many) notes.
Some pianists who convey this quality well are Rachmaninoff, Horowitz,
Richter, Cherkassky, Kissin, and Moiseiwitsch, and this list is by no
means exhaustive. My personal favorites are the first four pianists in
this list.
DF
Charles Milton Ling
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>
> Vitalij Margulis has a wonderful gravitas to his Rach preludes.
>
I am very happy that the name of this wonderful pianist (I heard him
live about half a dozen times) pops up here every now and then.
--
Charles Milton Ling
Vienna, Austria
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This won't be of interest to piano collectors but I wonder who else has
a soft spot for the various orchestrations of these pieces ... I still
have an old mono 10" Columbia LP (ML 2158) on which Ormandy and the
Philadelphia Orchestra play Lucien Cailliet's arrangements of the
Preludes in C# minor, G major and G minor. Also "The Romantic Music of
Rachmaninoff" with Andre Kostelanetz conducting (Columbia CL 1001) has
a set of five orchestrated piano Preludes. Other Preludes have been
orchestrated by Stokowski, Sir Henry Wood and Edmund Rubbra, among
others, but it would be nice to hear the three Cailliet arrangements in
stereo.
ne...@thump.org
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> Hough may be better than either, but is
>still not great - too hurried and without enough stylistic sense.
Stephen Hough has not recorded any solo Rachmaninov I can think of -
maybe a transcription but certainly not any major works.
Paul Ilechko
Try going back and re-reading - what you quote had nothing to do with
Rachmaninov.
Michael Lehrman
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And neither with Rachmaninoff.
ML
rkhalona
Citizen wrote:
> Richter: WOW. I can't imagine Rachmaninoff played better.
BTW, if you haven't watched "Richter The Enigma," there is a priceless
anecdote there involving Rachmaninoff, Maria Yudina and Richter. Don't
miss it.
RK
Josep Vilanova
On 18/8/06 17:45, in article
1155919553.8...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "rkhalona"
<rkha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
He played Rachmaninov at her funeral... He didn't forget grudges that man...
rkhalona
After Yudina referred to him (in derogatory fashion) as "a Rachmaninoff
pianist."
>He didn't forget grudges that man...
He always used a score towards the end. :-)
RK
David Fox
Given what Richter said about Philipe Entremont in the same
documentary, Entremont should have returned the favor and played at
Richter's funeral :)
DF
Josep Vilanova
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<davidf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Given what Richter said about Philipe Entremont in the same
> documentary, Entremont should have returned the favor and played at
> Richter's funeral :)
>
> DF
For what I heard played by Entremont, Richter was right. Stravinsky also
hated Entremont (didn't he walked out and refused to conduct his piano
concerto that he was meant to record with him?). I wonder who will play at
Entremont's funeral...
David Fox
I was not commenting on Entremont's relative merits as a pianist. I
doubt I like him any more than you do. I was just making an
observation that issuers of catty comments - whether merited or not -
are somewhat vulnerable to retribution when they stop breathing.
As for who should play at Entremont's funeral - he issued some CD's of
Mozart sonatas several years back that were recorded originally on
Disklavier-type reproducing piano. The stated rationale for this
gimmick was that the engineers were free to optimally mike and
manipulate the instrument without worrying about the complications of a
performer and the resulting mechanical noises (fingernails on keys,
breathing, feet on pedals,etc., not to mention singing, snorting, and
growling). Needless to say, this approach did not inspire a score of
imitations.
So, I recommend that they haul out the Disklavier at Entremont's
funeral, and Philipe can effectively play for himself. I think even
Richter would feel satisfied with the appropriateness of this solution
:)
DF
Matthew B. Tepper
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> As for who should play at Entremont's funeral - he issued some CD's of
> Mozart sonatas several years back that were recorded originally on
> Disklavier-type reproducing piano. The stated rationale for this gimmick
> was that the engineers were free to optimally mike and manipulate the
> instrument without worrying about the complications of a performer and
> the resulting mechanical noises (fingernails on keys, breathing, feet on
> pedals,etc., not to mention singing, snorting, and growling). Needless
> to say, this approach did not inspire a score of imitations.
It may have inspired one -- a series of recordings by David Helfgott, made
that way so they could edit out wrong notes and the pianist's babbling.
> So, I recommend that they haul out the Disklavier at Entremont's
> funeral, and Philipe can effectively play for himself. I think even
> Richter would feel satisfied with the appropriateness of this solution
>:)
*chuckle*
Michael Lehrman
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Al Eisner
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> > > I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the recording of the complete
> > > set by Agustin Anievas on the EMI label.
> >
> > Actually, gperkins151 did so last night: http://tinyurl.com/s2hd7
>
> Thanks Matthew. Perhaps it has not been mentioned because its OOP?
> BTW, Virgin has his complete Rach piano and orchestra works for $10 on
> sale, though I have not been enticed from what I have heard and read.
Berkshire has the 2-CD Anievas set with the preludes for $8. They also
have an all-Rachmaninoff Richter recording from 1983 (with about half the
preludes) on Regis and a Ravel/Rachmaninoff Richter recording with most
of the same ones on Archipel from 1954. Are those legitimate labels?
I know little about them. Any comments?
They also have the Kim recording which has been mentioned.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Paul Ilechko
> Berkshire has the 2-CD Anievas set with the preludes for $8. They also
> have an all-Rachmaninoff Richter recording from 1983 (with about half the
> preludes) on Regis and a Ravel/Rachmaninoff Richter recording with most
> of the same ones on Archipel from 1954. Are those legitimate labels?
> I know little about them. Any comments?
Get the Richter on Regis - it's the old Olympia recording, and is
wonderful.
Al Eisner
Thanks.
By the way, I was too quick with the date -- 1983 is listed for the
selection of Etudes Tableaux, the Preludes are from 1971.
O
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-Owen
rkhalona
I don't know if it's still available, but the Musical Heritage Society
issued a 2-CD set entitled "The Russian Recital" containing Richter's
recording of Rachmaninoff's 13 preludes, the Etudes Tableaux,
Tchaikovsky's "The Seasons" and perhaps something else that I can't
remember. These are the same recordings issued by Olympia and Melodiya
(in Japan) and may be another source to get them.
RK
Citizen
Yes, I do recall that anecdote. Richter has his way yet again.
JO
poetry. It's rather closely recorded, but it's also cool having a Russian
virtuoso in your listening room!
Phil Caron
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> rkhalona wrote:
>> Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection
>> right now).
>> It was released on a 2-CD set with other Rachmaninoff piano works.
>> I agree re: Richter, but don't miss Moiseiwitsch's recording of the Op.
>> 32 B-flat minor prelude (there was an APR release that gives it its
>> best sound).
>>
>> RK
>
> I saw a video of Moiseiwitsch playing this prelude once; he was indeed
> very good. Did he record any others?
>
Any recording of Moiseiwitsch playing Rachmaninoff is superb.
- Phil Caron
Michael Lehrman
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.06...@flora01.slac.stanford.edu...
[snip]
> Berkshire has the 2-CD Anievas set with the preludes for $8. They also
> have an all-Rachmaninoff Richter recording from 1983 (with about half the
> preludes) on Regis and a Ravel/Rachmaninoff Richter recording with most
> of the same ones on Archipel from 1954. Are those legitimate labels?
> I know little about them. Any comments?
>
mentioned, Regis is a former Olympia release, but Archipel contains some of
the most wonderful Ravel performances + Rachmaninoff, which is as good as
any other selection by the same pianist; in fact, I listen to it more
frequently.
ML
Matthew B. Tepper
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> "Citizen" <Flammes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155802292.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> rkhalona wrote:
>>
>>> Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection
>>> right now).
>>> It was released on a 2-CD set with other Rachmaninoff piano works.
>>> I agree re: Richter, but don't miss Moiseiwitsch's recording of the Op.
>>> 32 B-flat minor prelude (there was an APR release that gives it its
>>> best sound).
>>
>> I saw a video of Moiseiwitsch playing this prelude once; he was indeed
>> very good. Did he record any others?
>
> Any recording of Moiseiwitsch playing Rachmaninoff is superb.
I agree.
ne...@thump.org
<pile...@patmedia.net> wrote:
>
>Try going back and re-reading - what you quote had nothing to do with
>Rachmaninov.
I'm getting everything wrong at the moment.
ne...@thump.org
wrote:
>Try Dmitri Alexeev on Virgin (IIRC -- I am away from my collection
>right now).
Oh no! This is such a bland and dull set, very surprising from Alexeev
who usually is very engaged particularly in Russian music.
Matthew B. Tepper
news:m8fde254g2m3atroc...@4ax.com:
You also misspelled "Rachmaninoff" as "Rachmaninov."
gperkins151
David Fox wrote:
> Given what Richter said about Philipe Entremont in the same
> documentary, Entremont should have returned the favor and played at
> Richter's funeral :)
>
> DF
What did he say?
What is it about Entremont's playing that some of you don't like?
I rather enjoy his disc with Ormandy playing the 1+4 Concerti.
norman...@comcast.net
"Phil Caron" <vlad...@vermontel.net> wrote in message
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For some reason, I'm particularly taken by the recordings of Santiago
Rodriguez. It's too bad that the Op.23 is on a different CD than the Op.32.
I just wish he had recorded the Etudes-Tableaux.
Norm Strong
fha.jonkers
Citizen schreef:
> Weissenberg: Very bad, IMO. It seems to have no "feeling."
It might have no "feeling", but I think it does have feeling.
Al Eisner
> ne...@thump.org appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in
> news:m8fde254g2m3atroc...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:28:26 -0400, Paul Ilechko ><pile...@patmedia.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Try going back and re-reading - what you quote had nothing to do with
> >> Rachmaninov.
> >
> > I'm getting everything wrong at the moment.
>
> You also misspelled "Rachmaninoff" as "Rachmaninov."
Then he's not alone. Try searching at Berkshire for anything by
"Rachmaninoff" -- the result is null.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Citizen
> Then he's not alone. Try searching at Berkshire for anything by
> "Rachmaninoff" -- the result is null.
I think European labels spell his name as "Rachmaninov." Though this
is closer to the correct transliterative selling, I think it is
incorrect to use in this case, as the composer himself spelled it as
"Rachmaninoff." Anyways, why stop at "Rachmaninov"? Shouldn't it be
"Rakhmaninov"?
Gerard
Lucky us: searching in this newsgroup gives many hits for "Rachmaninov" and a
lot of hits for "Rachmaninoff". It's worth a try.
gperkins151
Citizen wrote:
> I've been listening to the Rachmaninoff preludes quite a bit the last
> several days for the purpose of finding the best complete set.
> Unfortunately, I haven't found a complete set to be pleasing yet. The
> best I've heard have come from incomplete sets, alas.
>
> My impressions:
>
> Richter: WOW. I can't imagine Rachmaninoff played better. I know he
> didn't record a complete set, but perhaps he recorded every prelude,
> just not all at once? I have the preludes on Philips GPOTC, DG
> "Richter: In Memoriam," RCA "Richter Rediscovered: 1960 Carnegie Hall
> Recital," as well as the single one (G-sharp minor) he played in his
> 1958 Sofia recital. Are there any preludes not included above that are
> available elsewhere?
>
> Rachmaninoff himself: These are very good. They aren't
> over-sentimentalized. Too bad he didn't record more of them.
> Interestingly, neither of his two recordings of the C-sharp minor were
> very good, IMO.
>
> Cliburn: Also not a complete set, but IMO excellent. They remind me of
> Richter, with a little less "drive."
>
> Hobson: The best complete set I've heard. Sometimes seems a bit cold
> to me.
>
> Weissenberg: Very bad, IMO. It seems to have no "feeling."
>
>
> Laredo: Boring.
>
> Kissin: Incomplete set. I find some of the tempestuous ones to be
> pretty good, though I normally dislike Kissin.
>
> Ogdon: The few selections I heard had a quite harsh tone.
>
> di Bonaventura: This less-known pianist didn't impress me. Not did
> the playing seem perfunctory, the recorded sound -- for a modern CD --
> was awful.
>
> Fiorentino: I remember hearing some of his preludes a couple of years
> ago on LP at a friend's house. They were quite good, I recall. Does
> anyone know if these were released on CD?
> --
> Ones I haven't heard: Shelley, Ashkenazy (I can't stand his brittle
> tone, so didn't get his set), Santiago Rodriguez, Donohoe (for some
> reason I think he recorded them), Sofronitsky (incomplete)
>
> So, of the ones that I haven't heard/don't have, which are recommended?
> I am especially interested in Fiorentino, if his are available on CD.
> What about Santiago Rodriguez and Sofronitsky? Shelley's Rachmaninoff
> doesn't impress me, so I don't plan on getting his set. If Ashkenazy
> has a listenable tone for once, I might get his set, too.
Last night I listened to two preludes by Janis (Op. 23/6, Op. 3/2) from
his Mercury Prescence CD with Rach 2+3. His Op. 3/2 is incredibly fast:
3:50 versus the average timing that I have: 4:30. Plus the sound breaks
up near the end on my copy, which is new. Anyone else have this problem
with the sound?
gperkins151
gperkins151 wrote:
> Last night I listened to two preludes by Janis (Op. 23/6, Op. 3/2) from
> his Mercury Prescence CD with Rach 2+3. His Op. 3/2 is incredibly fast:
> 3:50 versus the average timing that I have: 4:30. Plus the sound breaks
> up near the end on my copy, which is new. Anyone else have this problem
> with the sound?
Anyone?