Worst performance ever?
DStern
absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
DS
Andy Evans
actually got released?>
Of course - the very famous Portsmouth Sinfonia are specialists in this new
genre.
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DStern <ch...@boy.com> wrote in message
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> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. > DS
PK
I wonder if these things are still available, but I would recommend for
the Absolute First Price a German label called "Garnet", with many
recordings conducted by a former baritone (?), Hubert Günther with the
Rheinische Singgemeinschaft and some provincial, German orchestras;
especially a series of Mozart sacred music I discovered in the 70s,
looking for a performance of the Te Deum, which at the time was the only
version available. And quite something it is (the recording quality
included). Amazing.
PK
PK
In fact, I was uselessly complicated. Any performance by Christopher
Robson in a Handel castrato role would easily qualify.
PK
bruc...@my-deja.com
There was a legendary record made in the late 40s/early 50s by an
eastern European orchestra, with a conductor nobody has ever heard of,
of the Eroica. Released on 78s only. About half-way through the first
movement, the performance (which is pretty ropey anyway) breaks down
irretrievably, somebody having missed an entry. A violent argument, in
what might be (but probably isn't) Serbo-Croat ensues, which is
eventually silenced by the conductor, who restarts at the next
rehearsal figure.
For some reason this was retained in the final pressing (somebody
muddle the matrices?), although sadly it hasn't been reissued on CD,
inexplicably.
This really does exist, unlikely as it sounds. Anybody on this NG
who's heard it really knows their records!
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John Wiser
I think these must be sorted into two main categories: deliberate
[as in Portsmouth Sinfonia] and inadvertent [as in Telemann Society].
The latter group, recording for Vox in the 60s, is a major contender.
Their account of Handel's Water Music might well top the list.
Surely it is not on CD, though?
--
John Wiser
cee...@frontiernet.net
Simon Roberts
: I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
: absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
: performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
: ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
Not ultimate, perhaps, but at least bad enough to be hilarious, are
several of Shura Gehrman's recordings, best (from this point of view only)
of all being his disc of Arie Antiche; his "Ombra mai fu" is in a class
by itself and will, I trust, stay there. It's essential to read the notes
as well.... All are on his own label, Nimbus.
Simon
PK
You have heard it!? It's a riot, a falsetto Florence F-J, and the
commentary makes it even funnier. But, frankly speaking, some Nella
Anfuso stuff isn't much better...
PK
MT
that actually got released?>>
The Mozart concerti recorded by Michelangeli with Cord Garben,
inexplicably released by DG. The piano playing is truly awful. I cannot
imagine why Michelangeli, a super-careful pianist, authorized this
release.
I don't know if it's the ultimate, but it's certainly bad given the
stature of the artist.
Regards,
MrT
Brendan R. Wehrung
Brian orchestral music on Campion, which Matthew recommended against
("they play like pigs") and I bought anyway because it was $8, a Budapest
Symphony LP recording of the Dvorak 9th, and works I can't recall played
by the Havanna symphony on 78's. (I may do an injustice to the latter
since it has been years since I sampled it.)
Brendan
Matthew B. Tepper
<91qpmh$5vk$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>:
>
>Brian orchestral music on Campion, which Matthew recommended against
>("they play like pigs") and I bought anyway because it was $8, a Budapest
>Symphony LP recording of the Dvorak 9th, and works I can't recall played
>by the Havanna symphony on 78's. (I may do an injustice to the latter
>since it has been years since I sampled it.)
Not quite -- it's a specific Toscanini quote, "orchestra play like pig."
--
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"Egyptian" Concerto with Ignaz Tiegerman as soloist. Evidently they all,
to a man, would have preferred being on the other side of the Nile
whistling that love song to some lady.
PK
>
> The orchestral playing, by an Egyptian orchestra, to the Saint-Saëns
> "Egyptian" Concerto with Ignaz Tiegerman as soloist. Evidently they all,
> to a man, would have preferred being on the other side of the Nile
Where "weeps the deceitful crocodile"?
PK
hojon
Two I can recall from the early sixties: Beethovens Eroica - final
movement - clarinet passage in the finale. Absolutely dreadful. BSO -
Leinsdorf RCA.
Opening bars from the Rhapsody in Blue - clarinet solo - sharp and
warbling thruout. Generic recording - released on several budget discs.
How do these things get released? And of course - Florence Foster
Jenkins!!!!
--
John-Putnam
ho...@yahoo.com
samir golescu
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, MT wrote:
> <<Can any of you recommend an example of the ultimate bad performance
> that actually got released?>>
>
> The Mozart concerti recorded by Michelangeli with Cord Garben,
> inexplicably released by DG. The piano playing is truly awful. I cannot
> imagine why Michelangeli, a super-careful pianist, authorized this
> release.
I wouldn't want to be in your place when DK will read this.... (-:
guit...@pacbell.net
dreadful! I forgot the orchestra/conductor's name, but I believe it
was a school symphony. Horrendous audible edits, too. Isn't time a
real pianist/orchestra/conductor recorded this piece? Despite the
jarring performance, it sounds like an interesting piece--more
dissonant and experimental than the popular First Concerto.
John
Sol L. Siegel
may qualify. I couldn't tell you for certain, because the one time
I played it, decades ago, I took it off after the first movement and
aired out the room.
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
--------------------------
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MT
<<I wouldn't want to be in your place when DK will read this.... (-:>>
I know that Dan agrees with me.
Regards,
MrT
ra...@my-deja.com
Furtwangler's Brahms Third on EMI. Atrocious playing, wretched sound,
and a vulgar, undisciplined, ham-fisted conception of the work. Next
worst, Thielemann's recent Schumann Third.
Dave Hurwitz
David Wake
>
> Furtwangler's Brahms Third on EMI. Atrocious playing, wretched sound,
> and a vulgar, undisciplined, ham-fisted conception of the work.
Yeah, yeah -- it's my favorite ever Brahms Third :)
David
samir golescu
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, MT wrote:
> Samir:
>
> <<I wouldn't want to be in your place when DK will read this.... (-:>>
>
> I know that Dan agrees with me.
OK, OK....
Just that all the nominations in this thread demonstrate that you people
have a very limited familiarity with the Romanian Electrecord issues...
regards,
SG (-:
pga...@my-deja.com
hojon <john...@softcom.net> wrote:
>
> Two I can recall from the early sixties: Beethovens Eroica - final
> movement - clarinet passage in the finale. Absolutely dreadful. BSO -
> Leinsdorf RCA.
Hey, wait a minute! That's the "Eroica" that I imprinted upon (with?),
and it was one of the first classical LPs that I ever listened to and
enjoyed. Who knew? I'd dig it out and listen to that clarinet passage,
but I dare not spoil my happy memories.
pgaron
MT
and a vulgar, undisciplined, ham-fisted conception of the work. Next
worst, Thielemann's recent Schumann Third.>>
Hey, Dave, at least you could have forgiven the sound... the question
was about atrocious performances... I agree that this is not a very
convincing performance.
A truly atrocious one just came to mind: Toscanini's recording of
Haryn's "Surprise" symphony. That's pure butchery, a really ugly affair.
And another: Rudolf Buchbinder's murder of the Diabelli variations on
Teldec. This is some of the worst piano playing I have ever heard (and I
have heard Cherkassky on a bad day, where there was no limit to what he
could inflict on the audience...).
And another, this one classic: Glenn Gould trying to play Chopin.
And another: Sviatoslav Richter playing the Brahms second concerto with
Mravinsky. The orchestra and conductor sound like they're drunk, and
Richter pounds mercilessly, as if possessed, totally ignoring the
orchestra (maybe he had no option in this case).
And another: the Medici string quartet playing Janacek on Nimbus. I put
this item for sale here for a mere $3, and I got several private jocular
replies suggesting that I should *pay* for them to take it. It's that
bad.
Regards,
MrT
Simon Roberts
: And another: Sviatoslav Richter playing the Brahms second concerto with
: Mravinsky. The orchestra and conductor sound like they're drunk, and
: Richter pounds mercilessly, as if possessed, totally ignoring the
: orchestra (maybe he had no option in this case).
Yes, but at least he either omits 25% of the notes or hits the wrong ones.
Simon
hojon
pga...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <91qv8u$fag$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> hojon <john...@softcom.net> wrote:
> >
> > Two I can recall from the early sixties: Beethovens Eroica - final
> > movement - clarinet passage in the finale. Absolutely dreadful.
BSO -
> > Leinsdorf RCA.
> pgaron wrote:
> Hey, wait a minute! That's the "Eroica" that I imprinted upon (with?),
> and it was one of the first classical LPs that I ever listened to and
> enjoyed. Who knew? I'd dig it out and listen to that clarinet passage,
> but I dare not spoil my happy memories.
>
> pgaron
>
> > Opening bars from the Rhapsody in Blue - clarinet solo - sharp and
> > warbling thruout. Generic recording - released on several budget
> discs.
> > How do these things get released? And of course - Florence Foster
> > Jenkins!!!!
On second though the performance was OK. Just those few bars. Didn't
mean to burst your buble, pgaron. Symphony Hall was my stomping ground
at that time. Will always have the greatest respect for BSO. Munch,
Steinberg, Leinsdorf, then Ozowa. Thanks for using that phrase --
"imprinted on - with". You may have used it sometime ago. Believe me
we all know that feeling. On some performances it's hard to think of
doing it any other way. Example: Chicago - Frederick Stock -Schubert
#9. It was on an old Columbia Entre disc, circa l950. I've heard many
others, but never one with the sense of lyricism that he brought to it>
Matthew B. Tepper
<91rai6$gjm$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>:
[insert Cortot joke here]
Steve Hehr
Handel -- recording, back in the late 60's when I was just starting to
collect classical recordings and Vox was about all I could afford.
But the performance always seemed at least adequate to me; it at
least got me interested in exploring Handel's music further.
But this is, after all, another case of "my first recording of...",
and maybe this does cause one to mentally turn a blind eye towards
what defects there may be.
On 20 Dec 2000 13:36:07 GMT, "John Wiser" <jic...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
Rtsina
>may qualify. I couldn't tell you for certain, because the one time
>I played it, decades ago, I took it off after the first movement and
>aired out the room.
>
Is this the one that prompted a High Fidelity review in the form of a limerick?
I believe it went
"Stokowski is courting disaster,
When he takes every "f" to mean "faster."
He pulls phrases like taffy,
The ensemble's all daffy,
Distressing, indeed, from a master."
I don't recall the reviewer..
vladimir
>Thanks for using that phrase --
>"imprinted on - with".
I honestly can think of no recording I've been imprinted on by.
How the heck do you say that?
- Phil Caron
notrump15-17
manner, Gould-Bernstein Brahms op. 15.
"DStern" <ch...@boy.com> wrote in message
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> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
paulgo...@my-deja.com
Alan J. Briker
> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> DS
Many yrs ago there was a recording of the Tchaikowsky Piano Conc. #2 with
Gilels which was obviously a live performance , in which Mr. Gilels had a
major memory lapse in the 3rd movement. The orch carried on for about 2
minutes by itself, sounding quite ridiculous, until the pianist figured out
where he was.
--
Alan J. Briker
Simon Roberts
: Many yrs ago there was a recording of the Tchaikowsky Piano Conc. #2 with
: Gilels which was obviously a live performance , in which Mr. Gilels had a
: major memory lapse in the 3rd movement. The orch carried on for about 2
: minutes by itself, sounding quite ridiculous, until the pianist figured out
: where he was.
Something along those lines happens in the Agnus Dei of Beecham's Missa
Solemnis at the choral entry after the orchestral fugato (or whatever the
proper term is) - choir and orchestra are horribly out of sync for a few
crucial seconds.
Simon
richard loeb
Vassilka Petrovka making some kind of noise as Tosca and a cap gun for the
firing squad!
"MT" <matr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3A411...@yahoo.com...
ESH Tooter
Rhapsody in Blue with Svetlanov conducting the the U.S.S.R. State Orchestra.
It sounds like a war between charging Cossacks and Volga boatmen. It's a
scream! On the others side is an equally evocative performance by the same
artists of "A Russian in Paris."
Tooter
Margaret Mikulska
Nothing matches Schubert Lieder sung by Shura Gehrman aka Count Numa
Labinsky. I find him even more hilarious than Mrs. FFJ. It's just
beyond belief.
Did you say "recommend"???
-Margaret
Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Can any of you recommend an example of the ultimate bad performance that
> actually got released?>
>
> Of course - the very famous Portsmouth Sinfonia are specialists in this new
> genre.
guit...@pacbell.net
<vlad...@vermontel.net> wrote:
>hojon wrote in message <91ra41$p8v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>Thanks for using that phrase --
>>"imprinted on - with".
>
A double preposition--I've never actually seen one!
ra...@my-deja.com
Wow! I second all of these. Looks like we're spoiled for choice, but I
singled out Furtwangler not to be provocative, but for the opposite
reason: because his Brahms 1 is so fine, and because as "the" German
rep conductor and self-proclaimed savior of German culture during its
darkest hour, he had further to fall than anyone else, and fall he did
in this performance, at least as far, artistically speaking, as did the
Fatherland itself. Ironic, isn't it?
Dave
Bob Lombard
"> I honestly can think of no recording I've been imprinted on by.
>
> How the heck do you say that?
>
> - Phil Caron
>
bl
John Gavin
CDs. An atrocity.
REG
Brian Cantin
> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> DS
Does doing it on purpose disqualify?
In any case, the efforts of Florence Foster Jenkins have to be high up
there.
--
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An advocate of poisonous individualism.
To reply via email, replace "dcantin" with "bcantin".
hojon
of themselves --- warts and all --- for just a little while?????
--
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Matthew B. Tepper
There is a live performance by Artur Schnabel of one of the Mozart piano
concerti -- #22 or #23 -- in which the pianist gets lost in the finale.
Bruno Walter brought the orchestra to a stop, the two conferred on where to
begin again, and the performance commenced from some convenient rehearsal
marking to the end, without any further problem.
Gustavo Comezana
ch...@boy.com says...
> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> DS
>
from Gluck's "Orfeo and Euridice". Well, "conducting" might be too
charitable a term... it's more like inept orchestral playing with
Toscanini presiding over the whole mess. An absolutely horrid affair, so
bad, you cannot stop laughing.
Gustavo
Dan Koren
100...@ux12.cso.uiuc.edu>,> > The Mozart concerti recorded by Michelangeli with
> > Cord Garben, inexplicably released by DG. The piano
> > playing is truly awful. I cannot imagine why Miche-
> > langeli, a super-careful pianist, authorized this
> > release.
>
> I wouldn't want to be in your place when DK will read this.... (-:
>
I wouldn't call the piano playing "awful" but these are
certainly not among ABM's better performances. I agree
with Mario that ABM shouldn't have agreed to issue the
performances. I don't particularly care for many late
ABM recordings, issue say, after 1979 or so, when he
certainly was no longer near his best. But then a lot
of the late Horowitz performances are truly awful --
certainly a lot more so than ABM's -- and the really
late Richter recordings aren't that great either. In
my opinion, what the original poster seems to have
asked for are performances that are fundamentally
bad because of the artist's lack of skills, not
because of his/her age.
dk
Dan Koren
MT <matr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Samir:
>
> <<I wouldn't want to be in your place when DK will read this.... (-:>>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> MrT
>
Yes Dan agrees with you -- for once.
Dan Koren
ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> DS
>
No one here seems to remember David Helfgott anymore.
Sic transit gloria mundi....
Dan Koren
ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> DS
>
Clifford Curzon's live Schumann Fantasy from Salzburg on Orfeo.
Dan Koren
ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> DS
>
The list is almost endless.... :)
Just off the top of my head:
Albeniz Iberia by Jean Francois Heisser.
Albeniz Iberia by Miguel Baselga.
Albeniz Iberia by Guillermo Gonzalez.
Albeniz Iberia by Aldo Ciccolini.
Albeniz Navarra by Edvard Syomin.
Bach Keyboard Concerti by Andrei Gavrilov.
Bach Goldberg Variations by Rosalyn Tureck.
Bach Goldberg Variations by Daniel Barenboim.
Bach Goldberg Variations by Konstantin Lifschitz.
Bach Well Tempered Clavier by Valery Afanassiev.
Beethoven Piano Sonatas by Ekaterina Murina.
Beethoven Piano Concerti by Andras Schiff.
Beethoven Piano Concerti by Jos van Immerseel.
Beethoven Piano Concerti by Melvyn Tan.
Beethoven Waldstein Sonata by Wilhelm Backhaus.
Beethoven Piano Sonatas by Igor Kipnis.
Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Claudio Arrau.
Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Alfred Brendel.
Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Hans Richter-Haaser.
Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Edwin Fischer.
Brahms Paganini Variations by Sviatoslav Richter.
Brahms Symphonies by Roger Norrington.
Chopin A-flat Polonaise by Ali Wood.
Chopin A-flat Polonaise by William Kapell.
Chopin A-flat Polonaise by Evgeny Kissin.
Chopin piano music by Idil Biret.
Chopin Etudes by Wilhelm Bakhaus.
Chopin Etudes by Cecile Licad.
Chopin Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
Chopin Etudes by Andrei Gavrilov.
Chopin Etudes by Boris Berezovsky.
Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Glenn Gould.
Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Eunice Norton.
Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Konstantin Igumnov.
Chopin Piano Sonatas by Wilhelm Kempff.
Chopin Piano Sonatas by Murray Perahia.
Chopin Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
Chopin Ballades, Preludes, Sonatas by Evgeny Kissin.
Chopin Ballades and Scherzi by Edward Auer.
Chopin Ballades and Scherzi by Cyprien Katsaris.
Chopin Ballades by Nikolai Petrov.
Chopin Mazurkas by Patrick Cohen.
Chopin Scherzi by Pogo.
Chopin Waltzes by Dinu Lipatti.
Chopin piano music by Eunice Norton.
Chopin piano music by Paul Badura-Skoda.
Debussy La Mer by George Szell.
Debussy Etudes by Mitsuko Uchida.
Debussy Piano Music by Gordon Fergus Thompson.
Faure Nocturnes by Stephane Lemelin.
Faure Nocturnes by Jean-Philippe Collard.
French orchestral music by Karajan.
Godowsky Piano Music by Geoffrey Douglas Madge.
Liszt piano music by Wilhelm Kempff.
Liszt Piano Sonata by David Helfgott.
Liszt Piano Sonata by Alfred Brendel.
Liszt Piano Sonata by Clifford Curzon.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Alfredo Perl.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Francois Rene Duchable.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Kemal Gekic.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Jerome Rose.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Jorge Bolet.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Boris Berezovsky.
Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Setrak.
Mahler symphonies by Karajan.
Mozart Piano Sonatas by Aldo Ciccolini.
Mozart Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
Mozart Piano Concerti by Mitsuko Uchida.
Rachmaninov 2nd piano concerto by Eugene Istomin.
Rachmaninov 3rd piano concerto by Dimitri Sgouros.
Rachmaninov 3rd piano concerto by David Helfgott.
Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherezade by practically everybody.
Schubert Impromptus squared by Murray Perahia.
Schubert Late Sonatas by Maurizio Pollini.
Schubert Piano Sonatas by Olga Tverskaya.
Schubert Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
Schubert Trout by Clifford Curzon + 1/2 Vienna Octet
Schubert Wanderer by Clifford Curzon.
Schumann Fantasy by Clifford Curzon.
Schumann Kreisleriana by Mitsuko Uchida.
Scriabin piano music by Ruth Laredo.
Scriabin piano music by Gordon Fergus Thompson.
Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Vladimir Horowitz.
Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Sviatoslav Richter.
Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Richter/Karajan.
Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Martha Argerich.
Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Boris Berezovsky.
Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Tatiana Nikolayeva.
Any Tchaikovsky except 1812 by Karajan.
I'll stop here... :)
David Wake
> Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Vladimir Horowitz.
> Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Sviatoslav Richter.
If Horowitz and Richter are out of the running, who does a decent
Scriabin Op. 42/5?
David
Dan Koren
First, let me say that I am as surprised as you
are that both Horowitz and Richter failed to do
justice to 42/5 -- unfortunately this is what
my ears tell me. Who knows, they probably had
bad days when they recorded it, or maybe they
were not in tune with the music -- neither of
them seems to get the lyrical aspect of it.
From the performances I heard, Sofronitsky is
far and away the most compelling. Gavrilov's
isn't bad musically, but not in the same class
-- in mechanical terms however he must be heard
to be disbelieved! He dispatches it with such
facility that even Horowitz sounds belabored
by comparison. Leonid Kuzmin takes a similar
approach, but isn't quite as polished.
That's about it.
him...@my-deja.com
Dan Koren <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <choda-2012000720540001@user-
2ivebn9.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
> > I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured
an
> > absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> > performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> > ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
> >
> > DS
> >
>
> The list is almost endless.... :)
Would I be right in saying that some of these choices may be
controversial? :-)
Rgds, Himadri
vladimir
>(snip)
AIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Ibkco
collect classical recordings and Vox was about all I could afford.
But the performance always seemed at least adequate to me; >>
Listen carefully to the Horn playing and out of tune oboe
I. Kraemer
I. Kraemer
Jan Depondt
"Dan Koren" <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <choda-20120...@user-2ivebn9.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
> > I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
> > absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
> > performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
> > ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
> >
> > DS
> >
>
> The list is almost endless.... :)
> Just off the top of my head:
> ...............
> Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherezade by practically everybody.
> Any Tchaikovsky except 1812 by Karajan.
>
> I'll stop here... :)
Almost the list we could wait for. The ultimate list of ultimate bad and
absolutely horrible performances.
JD
Simon Roberts
: I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
: absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
: performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
: ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
A couple more: Gwyneth Jones' Four Last Songs, and the late Kollo recital
on EMI featuring one of them and the Wesendonk songs and I forget what
else.... These also are bad enough to be funny, which is why I keep them.
Simon
Rodger Whitlock
> ...Can any of you recommend an example of the
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
Glenn Gould's take on the Mozart piano sonatas.
Technically a-ok I suppose, but interpretively not a single screw
in the performance is tight.
--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
MT
recital on EMI featuring one of them and the Wesendonk songs and I
forget what else.... These also are bad enough to be funny, which is
why I keep them.>>
Hey, if we allow vocal music, the list would be practically endless...
While it's relatively rare for professional instrumentalists to play
stuff they really can't play, singers seem to feel free to screw up by
taking on opera roles out of their reach, recording song collections
when they don't have a clue about the style, and so on.
I say singers are hors concours -- we don't want to make this too easy.
Regards,
MrT
Dan Koren
toto...@mail.pacificcoast.net (Rodger Whitlock) wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:20:54 -0500, ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
>
> > ...Can any of you recommend an example of the
> > ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> Glenn Gould's take on the Mozart piano sonatas.
>
> Technically a-ok I suppose, but interpretively not a single screw
> in the performance is tight.
>
I apologize for forgetting to include this in my earlier liszt.
August Helmbright
>
> > ...Can any of you recommend an example of the
> > ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>
> Glenn Gould's take on the Mozart piano sonatas.
>
> Technically a-ok I suppose, but interpretively not a single screw
> in the performance is tight.
>
the blank]."
Loose screws, a few bricks shy of a load, not playing with a full deck -
- you choose the analogy.
--
August Helmbright
Dan Koren
him...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> > The list is almost endless.... :)
>
> Would I be right in saying that some of
> these choices may be controversial? :-)
>
Everything is controversial these days -- even religion!
Alain Dagher
"Dan Koren" <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <choda-20120...@user-2ivebn9.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> The list is almost endless.... :)
> Just off the top of my head:
Wow! There are some really excellent performances here, such as:
>
> Beethoven Piano Concerti by Andras Schiff.
> Chopin Ballades, Preludes, Sonatas by Evgeny Kissin.
> Chopin Scherzi by Pogo.
> Chopin Waltzes by Dinu Lipatti.
> Liszt Piano Sonata by Clifford Curzon.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
> Mahler symphonies by Karajan.
(The Ninth anyway)
Alain
paulgo...@my-deja.com
I prefer "a few sandwiches short of a picnic."
--
Paul Goldstein
Matthew B. Tepper
<MPG.14ab7b0cc...@enews.newsguy.com>:
>
>My personal "favourite" is an old LP of Toscanini conducting excerpts
>from Gluck's "Orfeo and Euridice". Well, "conducting" might be too
>charitable a term... it's more like inept orchestral playing with
>Toscanini presiding over the whole mess. An absolutely horrid affair, so
>bad, you cannot stop laughing.
Really? I think the orchestra plays quite well, and that it is a moving
performance (let down only by the singing of Barbara Gibson).
Matthew B. Tepper
>And SOMETIMES don't we just love some of these performances, in spite
>of themselves --- warts and all --- for just a little while?????
Sometimes they're warts, sometimes they're extremely unaesthetic goiters!
Matthew B. Tepper
<20001220195837...@ng-fi1.aol.com>:
>Although never released commercially, I have a tape of Andrew Litton
>playing Rhapsody in Blue with Svetlanov conducting the the U.S.S.R.
>State Orchestra. It sounds like a war between charging Cossacks and
>Volga boatmen. It's a scream! On the others side is an equally
>evocative performance by the same artists of "A Russian in Paris."
I recall a very fine Verdi Requiem under Markevitch which technically does
not qualify for inclusion in this thread. However, the Russian accents of
the singers trying to pronounce Latin words were worth a chuckle or two.
samir golescu
Unfortunately Mr. Koren mixed two lists: the list of performances he
believes to be *very* bad (and I agree on some) and a list of performances
who are in no way bad, but he believes to be (and it his right to believe
so) overrated or much overrated.
I will take one single example: Chopin Waltzes/Lipatti. It is certainly
not my favorite performance and I'd very much prefer choosing different
performers for my "ideal" compilation. I can even understand why DK thinks
it is many times overrated. However, saying Lipatti's Waltzes would fit a
list of "worst performance ever" is either hilarious or, at best,
hyper-hyper-hyperbolic.
regards,
SG
Matthew B. Tepper
>In article <choda-20120...@user-2ivebn9.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> ch...@boy.com (DStern) wrote:
>> I was thinking of how funny it would be to have a CD that captured an
>> absolutely horrible performance riddled with huge clunkers and other
>> performance failures. Can any of you recommend an example of the
>> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
>>
>
>No one here seems to remember David Helfgott anymore.
>
>Sic transit gloria mundi....
He got chewed up and spat out by his own publicity machine. With any luck,
the exact same thing will happen to you-know-who and you-know-who, and we
will never hear about them again, except in the "Where Are They Now?" file.
JRsnfld
Why this? I haven't heard it, but the Townhall LP of his, with Rachmaninov and
I don't remember what else, greatly impressed me. It was truly poetic.
--Jeff
Matthew B. Tepper
>
>The list is almost endless.... :)
>Just off the top of my head:
>
>Albeniz Iberia by Jean Francois Heisser.
>Any Tchaikovsky except 1812 by Karajan.
>
>I'll stop here... :)
Conveniently, before you got to Verdi and Wagner....
minklerstraat
-James
David Wake
>
> First, let me say that I am as surprised as you
> are that both Horowitz and Richter failed to do
> justice to 42/5 -- unfortunately this is what
> my ears tell me. Who knows, they probably had
> bad days when they recorded it, or maybe they
> were not in tune with the music -- neither of
> them seems to get the lyrical aspect of it.
>
> From the performances I heard, Sofronitsky is
> far and away the most compelling. Gavrilov's
> isn't bad musically, but not in the same class
> -- in mechanical terms however he must be heard
> to be disbelieved! He dispatches it with such
> facility that even Horowitz sounds belabored
> by comparison. Leonid Kuzmin takes a similar
> approach, but isn't quite as polished.
I haven't heard Sofronitzky, so I can't compare, but Richter and
Horowitz both bring very distinctive virtues to this etude: Richter
extremely fast and sounding "breatless" as Scriabin demands, yet also
coherent; Horowitz with spectacular power. Calling either of them
among the worst performances of anything ever seems frankly bizarre to
me.
David
A. Brain
How about those Nimbus CDs of Lieder sung by Shura Gehrman? Does anyone
like those?
It's been a while since I heard any of these, but I recall them being
terrible. And the promotional material on the CDs is to the effect that
Gehrman's is a "lost art", as opposed to the "bland form of singing
currently holding sway" among the critics.
That recent post on the Portsmouth Sinfonia reminded me of the infamous pop
group: The Shaggs, available on Rhino records. Great for parties.
Especially if you are wanting to encourage your guests to leave.....
--
A. Brain
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"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Bob Lombard
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> I haven't heard Sofronitzky, so I can't compare, but Richter and
> Horowitz both bring very distinctive virtues to this etude: Richter
> extremely fast and sounding "breatless" as Scriabin demands, yet also
> coherent; Horowitz with spectacular power. Calling either of them
> among the worst performances of anything ever seems frankly bizarre to
> me.
>
> David
If you mean 'frankly seems bizarre' there, I agree. Depending on what
'bizarre' means to you. I'm going with nutso.
bl
ESH Tooter
>playing Rhapsody in Blue with Svetlanov conducting the the U.S.S.R.
>State Orchestra. It sounds like a war between charging Cossacks and
>Volga boatmen. It's a scream! On the others side is an equally
>evocative performance by the same artists of "A Russian in Paris."
I recall a very fine Verdi Requiem under Markevitch which technically does
not qualify for inclusion in this thread. However, the Russian accents of
the singers trying to pronounce Latin words were worth a chuckle or two. >>
I can imagine. This Rhapsody in Blue perhaps testifies to how national accents
may inflect musical phrasing. Surely no American jazz ever had quite the
accent of this Gershwinov.
Tooter
ESH Tooter
> ultimate bad performance that actually got released?
Glenn Gould's take on the Mozart piano sonatas.
Technically a-ok I suppose, but interpretively not a single screw
in the performance is tight. >>
Actually, you're just deluded because everyone else gets them wrong.
Tooter
John Gavin
the Sonata in C Minor receives a remarkable performance - the A Major
and Bb are misses, but they certainly aren't bad at all.
I used to think that Pollini was a potentially great Schubert
interpreter (until his recent turn toward austerity).
-------------------------------------------------------------
John Gavin
They shouldn't have been released - but just for the sake of
understanding, I believe ABM was fulfilling his contract with DG, and,
according to his wife, he was in financial difficulty in the last decade
of his life - due to legal / contractual problems.
By this point in time, he needed the money and sadly wasn't feeling well
most of the time.
samir golescu
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, John Gavin wrote:
> I would take issue with choice of the Pollini / Schubert Last Sonatas -
> the Sonata in C Minor receives a remarkable performance - the A Major
> and Bb are misses, but they certainly aren't bad at all.
>
> I used to think that Pollini was a potentially great Schubert
> interpreter (until his recent turn toward austerity).
"Austerity"? Is Mrs. Pollini's unhappiness a public matter already? Or did
Sig. Pollini diminish his outrageous concert fee?
regards,
SG
(who obviously doesn't know all the meanings of "austerity".... (-:)
Simon Roberts
: I would take issue with choice of the Pollini / Schubert Last Sonatas -
: the Sonata in C Minor receives a remarkable performance - the A Major
: and Bb are misses, but they certainly aren't bad at all.
: I used to think that Pollini was a potentially great Schubert
: interpreter (until his recent turn toward austerity).
When was he not austere?
Simon
John Wiser
> Imho for a recording to make such a list the
orchestra and the work
> must be first class imho, otherwise the list
would become unmanageably
> long. I nominate Tate's recording of LvB's 7th
with the Staatskapelle
> Dresden. I must admit, however, that is quite
an achievement to make
> this work sound boring.
I suppose. Leon Botstein used to be able to turn
this trick
for just about anything he chose to conduct
in various Hudson Valley programs.
Without offering a relative rank for the American
Symphony
Orchestra, I'll propose his recording with that
group of the
Serenade No. 1 of Brahms; the deadliest, most
charmless
account known to me [Vanguard]. 8H Haggin will no
doubt disagree.
BTW, I understand this worthy has killfiled me.
Does that
mean I won't be able to see his posts?
--
John Wiser
cee...@frontiernet.net
"I had far, far rather that people should
attribute my verses to you than yours to me."
--A.E.Housman to his brother Laurence, 12.4.1896
Grant
him...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Would I be right in saying that some of these choices may be
> controversial? :-)
>
> Rgds, Himadri
>
[snip controversial list of worst performances]
You would be right, indeed!
Grant
John Wiser
> "John Wiser" schreef
> >(...)
> > 8H Haggin will no
> > doubt disagree.
> > BTW, I understand this worthy has killfiled
me.
> > Does that
> > mean I won't be able to see his posts?
>
apparently you haven't
> killfiled him which means you can still read
his contributions.
>
Eltjo, I was making a joke in strict dada style.
Wouldn't it be wonderful, though, to overcome
the laws of physics to prevent selected persons
from reading one's ng posts?
Grant
Chopin Etudes by Andrei Gavrilov.
Liszt piano music by Wilhelm Kempff. (I like the Legends at least)
Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Vladimir Horowitz.
Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Martha Argerich. (I guess you meant all
of her performances, but I like the one with Dutoit)
Grant
g-man
> > Brahms Paganini Variations by Sviatoslav Richter.
> > Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Glenn Gould.
> > Chopin Ballades, Preludes, Sonatas by Evgeny Kissin.
> > Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
> > Schumann Kreisleriana by Mitsuko Uchida.
> > Scriabin piano music by Ruth Laredo.
> > Scriabin piano music by Gordon Fergus Thompson.
And how! Don't forget Pollini's Wander Fantasy.
Two thumbs down on the Gould/Chopin sonata.
The Madge/Godowsky became expensive gold-colored coffee cup coasters.
But I beg to differ on Gekic's Liszt etudes and certainly you can't
be referring to Kempff's Liszt Legends as being a bad performance?!
notrump15-17
"Rtsina" <rts...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Stokie's last Tchaikovsky 4, with the American SO on Vanguard,
> >may qualify. I couldn't tell you for certain, because the one time
> >I played it, decades ago, I took it off after the first movement and
> >aired out the room.
> >
>
> Is this the one that prompted a High Fidelity review in the form of a
limerick?
> I believe it went
>
> "Stokowski is courting disaster,
> When he takes every "f" to mean "faster."
> He pulls phrases like taffy,
> The ensemble's all daffy,
> Distressing, indeed, from a master."
>
> I don't recall the reviewer..
>
>
hojon
Just love your head!!! What a list. Sometimes it's nice to be easily
impressed! Ah,mein Bach -- Tureck!!!
John-Putnam
ho...@yahoo.com
In article <91slot$qqn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Dan Koren <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> The list is almost endless.... :)
> Just off the top of my head:
>
> Albeniz Iberia by Jean Francois Heisser.
> Albeniz Iberia by Miguel Baselga.
> Albeniz Iberia by Guillermo Gonzalez.
> Albeniz Iberia by Aldo Ciccolini.
> Albeniz Navarra by Edvard Syomin.
> Bach Keyboard Concerti by Andrei Gavrilov.
> Bach Goldberg Variations by Rosalyn Tureck.
> Bach Goldberg Variations by Daniel Barenboim.
> Bach Goldberg Variations by Konstantin Lifschitz.
> Bach Well Tempered Clavier by Valery Afanassiev.
> Beethoven Piano Sonatas by Ekaterina Murina.
> Beethoven Piano Concerti by Andras Schiff.
> Beethoven Piano Concerti by Jos van Immerseel.
> Beethoven Piano Concerti by Melvyn Tan.
> Beethoven Waldstein Sonata by Wilhelm Backhaus.
> Beethoven Piano Sonatas by Igor Kipnis.
> Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Claudio Arrau.
> Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Alfred Brendel.
> Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Hans Richter-Haaser.
> Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Edwin Fischer.
> Brahms Paganini Variations by Sviatoslav Richter.
> Brahms Symphonies by Roger Norrington.
> Chopin A-flat Polonaise by Ali Wood.
> Chopin A-flat Polonaise by William Kapell.
> Chopin A-flat Polonaise by Evgeny Kissin.
> Chopin piano music by Idil Biret.
> Chopin Etudes by Wilhelm Bakhaus.
> Chopin Etudes by Cecile Licad.
> Chopin Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
> Chopin Etudes by Andrei Gavrilov.
> Chopin Etudes by Boris Berezovsky.
> Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Glenn Gould.
> Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Eunice Norton.
> Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Konstantin Igumnov.
> Chopin Piano Sonatas by Wilhelm Kempff.
> Chopin Piano Sonatas by Murray Perahia.
> Chopin Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
> Chopin Ballades, Preludes, Sonatas by Evgeny Kissin.
> Chopin Ballades and Scherzi by Edward Auer.
> Chopin Ballades and Scherzi by Cyprien Katsaris.
> Chopin Ballades by Nikolai Petrov.
> Chopin Mazurkas by Patrick Cohen.
> Chopin Scherzi by Pogo.
> Chopin Waltzes by Dinu Lipatti.
> Chopin piano music by Eunice Norton.
> Chopin piano music by Paul Badura-Skoda.
> Debussy La Mer by George Szell.
> Debussy Etudes by Mitsuko Uchida.
> Debussy Piano Music by Gordon Fergus Thompson.
> Faure Nocturnes by Stephane Lemelin.
> Faure Nocturnes by Jean-Philippe Collard.
> French orchestral music by Karajan.
> Godowsky Piano Music by Geoffrey Douglas Madge.
> Liszt piano music by Wilhelm Kempff.
> Liszt Piano Sonata by David Helfgott.
> Liszt Piano Sonata by Alfred Brendel.
> Liszt Piano Sonata by Clifford Curzon.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Alfredo Perl.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Francois Rene Duchable.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Kemal Gekic.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Jerome Rose.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Jorge Bolet.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Boris Berezovsky.
> Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Setrak.
> Mahler symphonies by Karajan.
> Mozart Piano Sonatas by Aldo Ciccolini.
> Mozart Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
> Mozart Piano Concerti by Mitsuko Uchida.
> Rachmaninov 2nd piano concerto by Eugene Istomin.
> Rachmaninov 3rd piano concerto by Dimitri Sgouros.
> Rachmaninov 3rd piano concerto by David Helfgott.
> Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherezade by practically everybody.
> Schubert Impromptus squared by Murray Perahia.
> Schubert Late Sonatas by Maurizio Pollini.
> Schubert Piano Sonatas by Olga Tverskaya.
> Schubert Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
> Schubert Trout by Clifford Curzon + 1/2 Vienna Octet
> Schubert Wanderer by Clifford Curzon.
> Schumann Fantasy by Clifford Curzon.
> Schumann Kreisleriana by Mitsuko Uchida.
> Scriabin piano music by Ruth Laredo.
> Scriabin piano music by Gordon Fergus Thompson.
> Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Vladimir Horowitz.
> Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Sviatoslav Richter.
> Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Richter/Karajan.
> Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Martha Argerich.
> Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Boris Berezovsky.
> Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto Tatiana Nikolayeva.
> Any Tchaikovsky except 1812 by Karajan.
>
> I'll stop here... :)
>
> dk
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
>
--
Thomas J Wood
<him...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:91t5g8$6dj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <91slot$qqn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Dan Koren <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bach Goldberg Variations by Rosalyn Tureck.
Yea! Only her harpsichord recording is more excruciating than the one she
inflicted on us chez Buckley.
> > Beethoven Piano Concerti by Melvyn Tan.
The Emperor really isn't bad. And his Choral Fantasy (also with Norrington)
is one of the best around.
> > Brahms 2nd piano concerto by Claudio Arrau.
Ouch, so true.
> > Brahms Paganini Variations by Sviatoslav Richter.
And, increasingly, I think his Diabelli Variations for Philips belong on
this list as well.
> > Chopin A-flat Polonaise by Evgeny Kissin.
> > Chopin Ballades, Preludes, Sonatas by Evgeny Kissin.
He's young, not dead and dares to be truly talented. Of course you don't
like him.
> > Chopin Waltzes by Dinu Lipatti.
???? truly an astonishing opinion. Overrated, perhaps. I prefer Rubinstein
myself.
> > French orchestral music by Karajan.
Jesus, it's the ONLY thing he conducted well.
> > Liszt Piano Sonata by David Helfgott.
That's shooting fish in a barrel.
> > Liszt Transcendental Etudes by Claudio Arrau.
Dull, certainly. Your list lacks Lazar Berman's intolerable trancendental
clatter.
> > Mahler symphonies by Karajan.
Or, for that matter, any piece by a German-speaking composer.
> > Mozart Piano Sonatas by Aldo Ciccolini.
> > Mozart Piano Sonatas by Mitsuko Uchida.
> > Mozart Piano Concerti by Mitsuko Uchida.
Have you heard Gustav Leonhardt's recording of Mozart sonatas? You don't
KNOW the meaning of pain.
> > Schubert Impromptus squared by Murray Perahia.
Better than overrated Lupu...
> > Scriabin piano music by Ruth Laredo.
> > Scriabin piano music by Gordon Fergus Thompson.
> > Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Vladimir Horowitz.
> > Scriabin Etude op. 42/5 by Sviatoslav Richter.
Scriabin is unlistenable anyhow.
Tom Wood
Matthew B. Tepper
<01c06bc1$138f6a40$58b482d1@candacew>:
>E.M. wrote:
>> "John Wiser" schreef
>> >(...)
>> > 8H Haggin will no doubt disagree. BTW, I understand this worthy has
>> > killfiled me. Does that mean I won't be able to see his posts?
>>
>> Would you miss them? He has killfiled you, but apparently you haven't
>> killfiled him which means you can still read his contributions.
>>
>Eltjo, I was making a joke in strict dada style.
>Wouldn't it be wonderful, though, to overcome
>the laws of physics to prevent selected persons
>from reading one's ng posts?
That would be loverly, and I would implement it immediately, generally
affecting the same people who are already in my killfile. I think there
are some forms of chat in which these functions (and maybe variants) are
already available.
As for 8H, I don't think he's posted here since Seth Winner showed up and
went medie-- er, acoustic on him.
Colin Rosenthal
ever is Madonna's version of American Pie. I hope it rains on her
wedding.
--
Colin Rosenthal
Astrophysics Institute
University of Oslo
Jan Depondt
"hojon" <john...@softcom.net> wrote in message
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> Outstanding, Dan. Just read your saved thread "stop polluting this ng".
This makes me curious. Is it still somewhere where I can find this? DID he
stop polluting? Was it so bad those days?
Jan Depondt
Jan Depondt
> cee...@frontiernet.net (John Wiser) wrote in
> <01c06bc1$138f6a40$58b482d1@candacew>:
>
> >E.M. wrote:
> >> "John Wiser" schreef
> >> >(...)
> >> > 8H Haggin will no doubt disagree. BTW, I understand this worthy has
> >> > killfiled me. Does that mean I won't be able to see his posts?
> >>
> >> Would you miss them? He has killfiled you, but apparently you haven't
> >> killfiled him which means you can still read his contributions.
> >>
> >Eltjo, I was making a joke in strict dada style.
> >Wouldn't it be wonderful, though, to overcome
> >the laws of physics to prevent selected persons
> >from reading one's ng posts?
>
> That would be loverly, and I would implement it immediately, generally
> affecting the same people who are already in my killfile. I think there
> are some forms of chat in which these functions (and maybe variants) are
> already available.
So, what's the purpose, the sense, the meaning of participating in a
newsgroup? That nobody can read your postings? Only the few you like?
Avoiding any discussion with people who have a different opinion? Well, THAT
should be a good reason to start your own newsgroup, that you can moderate
the whole day. Don't forget to activate the option LiveFile (with the names
of a maximum of 10 members who are allowed to participate). If you don't, it
will be very quiet there.
I think you like a quiet ng, with postings only from people who like you. So
another possibility you can try right now: put any name you find in this ng
in your killfile, except the few you like. Or has your killfile already
reached its physical limit?
Jan Depondt
Bob Lombard
news:3a434395$0$23177@reader5...
>
>
> So, what's the purpose, the sense, the meaning of participating in a
> newsgroup? That nobody can read your postings? Only the few you like?
> Avoiding any discussion with people who have a different opinion? Well,
THAT
> should be a good reason to start your own newsgroup, that you can moderate
> the whole day. Don't forget to activate the option LiveFile (with the
names
> of a maximum of 10 members who are allowed to participate). If you don't,
it
> will be very quiet there.
>
> I think you like a quiet ng, with postings only from people who like you.
So
> another possibility you can try right now: put any name you find in this
ng
> in your killfile, except the few you like. Or has your killfile already
> reached its physical limit?
>
> Jan Depondt
>
another post. I'm striving for subtlety here. It doesn't seem to be
happening; so I can only say that you are getting a might tiresome with this
developing vendetta. I don't believe it's fun for you, so why not go back to
what is?
MBT has been around here a long time (much longer than I), so I have learned
to skim his posts for what interests me. I haven't learned to skim your
posts yet; please don't make me.
bl
Edward Jasiewicz
Dan Koren <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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...
> Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Eunice Norton.
...
> Chopin piano music by Eunice Norton.
Ah, so you are finally commenting on these recordings (or did I
miss something?). I take it you're also throwing out the
[probably greatest ever...] recording of the Nocturne in B Major
which she made in 1942 with all this "bath water" ?
Come'on, Dan, Nietzsche (who also never realized that his
superman's thirst for power was really an outcome of fear...) is
out. ;)
regards,
-ed
(PS and you left out Norton's Bach and Beethoven? Why, did you
think it was only second worst? Just curious...)
Henk van Tuijl
"Edward Jasiewicz" <Nor...@worldnet.att.net> schreef in bericht
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> Dan Koren <dank...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> > Chopin 3rd Piano Sonata by Eunice Norton.
> ...
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> > Chopin piano music by Eunice Norton.
>
> Ah, so you are finally commenting on these recordings (or did I
> miss something?). I take it you're also throwing out the
> [probably greatest ever...] recording of the Nocturne in B Major
> which she made in 1942 with all this "bath water" ?
>
> Come'on, Dan, Nietzsche (who also never realized that his
> superman's thirst for power was really an outcome of fear...) is
> out. ;)
Assuming that you know your philosophers, should Dan appreciate the fact
that Eunice Norton's musicianship is based on fear - and stop looking for
creative impulses?
Henk
Simon Roberts
: Serious mode: record executives should be forced to follow this ng.
Wouldn't that be excessive punishment?
Simon
John Gavin
ones, therefore I would like to list another:
Medtner - Sonata op. 26 #2 "Night Wind"
Mickail Lidsky - Denon
Lidsky manages to turn a masterpiece into a complete chaotic mess.
Simon Roberts
: This thread is not calling for inadequate performances but truly BAD
If that's the disc that also contains Chopin op. 55/2 and one or two other
bits of Chopin, I would nominate those as well.
Simon
lord_e...@my-deja.com
So what have *we* done to deserve it?? Oh, never mind...
Lena