WANTED: recordings of Beethoven's Fifths
matthias
for the Pasternack, Ruhlmann, Urack, Seidler-Winkler, Hildebrand,
Weissmann, Sodeno and the early Walter recording of the Symphony:
1916/17 Victor Concert Orchestra – Josef Pasternack (Victor 18124,
35580, 8278, 35637) (I have only mouvements 3 and 4)
1916/21 Symphony Orchestra – François Ruhlmann (Pathé 6028, 6029,
6398, 6030, 6216)
1923 VOX Symphony Orchestra – Otto Urack (Vox 01269-72)
1923 Neues Sinfonieorchester - Bruno Seidler-Winkler (Polydor
69638-41)
1924 (?) Berliner Sinfonieorchester – Camillo Hildebrand (Odeon
0-6031-4)
1924 Orchester der Berliner Staatsoper – Frieder Weissmann (Parlophon
P 1792-5)
1926 American Symphony Orchestra – Cesare Sodeno (Edison, unpublished)
1926 Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Bruno Walter (Columbia,
unpublished)
Thanks a lot to everyone who could help me!
(more informations on my website: http://www.marterart.ch)
Matthias
Matthew B. Tepper
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Wow! I had no idea of the existence of most of those. I assume you already
have the second complete recording, by Arthur Nikisch, and the first, by one
Friedrick Kark.
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matthias
This is the list of the complete (as far as I know...) recordings of
Beethoven’s Fifth 1910 - 1933
(the recordings I already have plus the recordings I am searchig for!
So you can see, that a bit of work is alrady done:-)
BY THE WAY: Does someone know something about Friedrich Kark, Frieder
Weissmann and Cesare Sodeno? I even could not find the basic dates of
them...
Recording date – orchestra – conductor – his age at the time of
recording
1910 Grosses Odeon Streichorchester – Friedrich Kark
1913 Berliner Philharmonisches Orchester – Arthur Nikisch (58)
1916/17 Victor Concert Orchestra – Josef Pasternack (36/37)
1916/21 Symphony Orchestra – François Ruhlmann (48)
1922 Royal Albert Hall Orchestra – Sir Landon Ronald (49)
1923 VOX Symphony Orchestra – Otto Urack (39)
1923 Neues Sinfonieorchester – Bruno Seidler-Winkler (43)
1924 (?) Berliner Sinfonieorchester – Camillo Hildebrand (48)
1924 Orchester der Berliner Staatsoper – Frieder Weissmann
1924 London Symphony Orchestra – Felix Weingartner (61)
1926 Royal Albert Hall Orchestra – Sir Landon Ronald (53)
1926 Berliner Philharmonisches Orchester – Wilhelm Furtwängler (40)
1926 American Symphony Orchestra – Cesare Sodeno
1927 Royal Philharmonic Orchestra – Felix Weingartner (64)
1928 Orchester der Berliner Staatsoper – Richard Strauss (64)
1928 Orchester der Berliner Staatsoper – Eugen Szenkar (37)
1929 Mitglieder der Staatskapelle Berlin – Joseph Rosenstock (34)
1929 Wiener Philharmoniker – Franz Schalk (66)
1931 Philadelphia Orchestra – Leopold Stokowski (49)
1931 New York Philharmonic Orchestra – Arturo Toscanini (64) live
1932 British Symphony Orchestra – Felix Weingartner (69)
1933 London Philharmonic Orchestra – Felix Weingartner (70)
1933 New York Philharmonic Orchestra – Arturo Toscanini (66) live
1934 (1st of January!) Los Angeles Philharmonic – Otto Klemperer (49)
live
saintr...@gmail.com
> BY THE WAY: Does someone know something about Friedrich Kark, Frieder
> Weissmann and Cesare Sodeno? I even could not find the basic dates of
> them...
"Sodero" is the right spelling; he even has a Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Sodero
RMCR regular Damian R gives 1894-1984 as Weissmann's dates:
http://www.damians78s.co.uk/Conductor-Weissmann.html
For what it's worth, I found a forum post that gives 1869 as Kark's
birth year:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=133384&p=1198308
Matthew B. Tepper
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> This is the list of the complete (as far as I know...) recordings of
> Beethoven’s Fifth 1910 - 1933
Fascinating list! Thanks!
rkhalona
> 1934 (1st of January!) Los Angeles Philharmonic – Otto Klemperer (49)
> live
This has been released on an Archipel CD (recorded at the Pasadena
Auditorium). It observes the last movement's repeat. Could this be
the first extant recording to ever do so?
Klemperer observed this repeat (as well as the more usual repeat in
the first movement) in all his recordings, but
curiously the repeat is omitted in his live Bavarian RSO recording
(released on EMI).
RK
Matthew B. Tepper
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> On Oct 17, 2:49 am, matthias <o...@orangemail.ch> wrote:
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>> 1934 (1st of January!) Los Angeles Philharmonic – Otto Klemperer (49)
>> live
>
> This has been released on an Archipel CD
Actually Archiphon ARC-114/115.
Eric Grunin
> BY THE WAY: Does someone know something about Friedrich Kark, Frieder
> Weissmann and Cesare Sodeno? I even could not find the basic dates of
> them...
First of all: I admire your project. You have taken a much more
challenging subject than mine (the Eroica). I hope you make your
research available on the web.
As for Weissmann: Google gives almost 12,000 hits for him. Did you try
friederweissmann.com ?
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
matthias
Eric, great project about Eroica! I didnt have the time to look it
through completely, but I will very soon! The most exciting thing in
my project is the big amount of really old (also acoustic) recordings
before 1933, which means that I can detect most of the stilistic
changes during this period - and make also the distinction between
different regions and national stiles.
Weissmann: meanwhile I got the informations, also about Cesare Sodero
(not Sodeno as I thought...). Not so much about Kark (just that he was
born 1869) an nothing athing all about
CAMILLO HILDEBRAND
Does someone know him?
Thanks
Matthias
matthias
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> > On Oct 17, 2:49 am, matthias <o...@orangemail.ch> wrote:
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> >> 1934 (1st of January!) Los Angeles Philharmonic – Otto Klemperer (49)
> >> live
>
> > This has been released on an Archipel CD
>
> Actually Archiphon ARC-114/115.
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Hello Matthew, as far as I know you are right and Klemperer was the
very first who recorded it with the 4th mouvement repeat. And all
descriptions and marks in scores I know let me think the same about
live performances!
By the way I got the Archiphon - CD some time ago, and I think I will
change the title of the project to "1910 til 1st of january 1934"!
Dontait...@aol.com
Hello Matthias,
Congratulations about your topic and especially the way you are
going about it. I'm an old (I guess) collector, very interested in
topics like yours, and I'd like to participate. I don't have that much
to add, but may I?
There is some information about Hildebrand and Kark -- not much --
in "The Orchestra on Record, 1896-1924: An Encyclopedia of Orchestral
Recordings Made by the Acoustical Process" by Claude Graveley Arnold,
C.S.B." (Greenwood Press, 1997). He writes:
Hildebrand, Camillo (1876-1953). Conductor, Berlin Philharmonic
Orchestra 1912-1918; Bluethner-Orkester (renamed "Berliner Symphonie
Orkester" late in 1922), 1921-1924.
Arnold lists a lot of acoustical records conducted by Hildebrand,
but gives no details about anything he might have done after 1924. But
then, that's the year at which he cuts his discography off.
Kark, Friedrich Wilhelm. Musical director for German Odeon,
1906-1910 (recording under his own name and as "Friedrich Dannenberg")
and from 1910 to 1918, for Parlophon.
The notes for the Japanese Wing CD of Kark's Beethoven Fifth say the
following (as written): "F. Kark was born 1869 near Hamburg/Germany,
started his career as a violinist/pianist, then worked as a conductor
for a Hamburg theatre, and from 1906 to 1918 he was Hausdirigent for
the Lindstroem company, that meant that he conducted (under his own
name and as Friedrich Dannenberg) mostly of the early recordings
(Odeon/Parlophon)."
I'll add that I own a few German Parlophon 78s (with their gorgeous
picture labels) of vocal recordings, and they list the conductor as
"F." or "Friedrich Kark."
For now, that's all I know. Hats off for your project. Please keep
us informed, and I hope I've helped a little.
Don Tait