Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
Juan I. Cahis
Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
Any recommendation?
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
rkhalona
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> Dear friends:
>
> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
>
> Any recommendation?
>
> Thanks
> Juan I. Cahis
Hola Juan,
Te recomiendo de manera muy especial la grabacion de James Levine con
la Sinfonica de Chicago.
No te vas a arrepentir.
Ramon
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on Testament 1396. Great performance and sound. The coupling is an
absolutely stupendous recording of Prokofiev's Symphony No. 3, by the
same performers.
Bruce
Todd Schurk
Lorin Maazel,Cleveland Orchestra on DG "Panorama" series...but there
are lots of really good ones out there...Todd S
Paul Goldstein
says...
Seconded with all possible enthusiasm.
Ed Presson
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Dear friends:
Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
Any recommendation?
I cannot say which is best, but I like these, in roughly this order:
Jansons (Chandos)
James Levine/CSO (DG) --I find the sound a tad harsh
Tilson Thomas (Sony)
Muti (Philips)
Ed Presson
Sacqueboutier
<jiclbchS...@attglobal.net> said:
Szell/Cleveland on Sony
Ansermet/Suisse Romande on Decca Legends
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Don
ansermetniac
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>Ansermet/Suisse Romande on Decca Legends
Better from the original open reel. With The Fairy's Kiss (Complete
Ballet) on the other side
The second movement, in Ansermet's hands, is quite stylish
Abbedd
David Royko
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> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
A big favorite of mine for years has been Ormandy with the
Philadelphia Orchestra. For starters, those searing strings in the
slow movement--good lord.
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francis
The entire Ansermet performance is quite stylish! And, as noted
elsewhere, the Prokofiev 5th is well served recording-wise. My
favorite is the Szell/Cleveland, already here recommended. But I like
even more this live performance from a few seasons later--from the
opening concert of the 67 season, uploaded here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/42610846/03-AudioTrack_03.mp3
J.Martin
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> Dear friends:
>
> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
>
> Any recommendation?
>
Jansons, and (surprisingly) Karajan.
J.
Thornhill
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Szell/Cleveland (Sony)
Muti/Philadelphia (Philips) -- it's out of print, but pretty easy to
find used copies. Superb sound quality.
Mark Obert-Thorn
> Muti/Philadelphia (Philips) -- it's out of print, but pretty easy to
> find used copies. Superb sound quality.
It's back in print via ArkivMusic.com. I just got it from them
myself, recently.
Mark O-T
TareeDawg
Fluffy (DG), Previn (EMI) or Kuchar (Naxos). I haven't heard Levine, and
can only suppose that I should endeavour to do so, but avoid Szell. The
sound is, frankly, nowhere up to the mark necessary for this work.
Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
Kerrison
The newly-reissued Prokofiev 5 / Thomas Schippers / Philharmonia disc
on Medici Masters MM012-2 is electrifying, and the 1957 EMI sound has
all the finest attributes of early stereo engineering (recorded in
Kingsway Hall, London) having a vivid clarity allied to a truly
exciting performance. The couplings, a selection of Italian music
which Schippers recorded with the LSO and Alessandro Scarlatti
Orchestra (Rossini, Vivaldi, Durante and Salieri) may be odd bed-
fellows but seem to have been all that was available from the EMI
catalogue for a single-CD release. Still, it's the Prokofiev 5th that
you'd buy this one for.
Eric Nagamine
> Dear friends:
>
> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
>
> Any recommendation?
If you can find Slatkin's St. Louis recording on RCA/BMG, I think it's
one of the better ones out there to go along with Ormandy's old
Philadelphia O stereo recording (which I don't know if Sony's re-issued).
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Eric Nagamine
I forgot about the Muti/Philadephia which was a good performance coupled
with the Volga & the Don.
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in news:1192335732.8...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> Muti/Philadelphia (Philips) -- it's out of print, but pretty easy to
> find used copies. Superb sound quality.
It had a rather unusual coupling too, as I recall.
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Heck51
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> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
Levine/CSO/DG
fabulous.......
Todd Schurk
Yes indeed-the live Szell that you refer to has even more to offer
than the earlier Epic/Sony "official" release. The sound is pretty
good too for a forty year old broadcast. Todd S
Dontait...@aol.com
I haven't heard all of the stereo recordings by any means, but what
I have heard leads me to agree. If I'm counting correctly, that makes
four of us who've cited it so far.
There's a striking feature about Levine's performance: it is very
similar in ways to the live Reiner/CSO account from 1958 (issued in
the CSO's 12-CD Centennial set in 1991 and for me the greatest
performance I know). Particularly the freedom of tempo and the skill
with which the tempo alterations are integrated. It makes one wonder
whether Levine had listened to Reiner.
Don Tait
td
Indeed.
For me, now, this is the top recommendation for Prokofiev 5. It has
always been my fave, actually, but until its release on CD it was hard
to suggest to CD lovers.
Now the story is easy.
TD
Steve Emerson
Eric Nagamine <en...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > Dear friends:
> >
> > Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
> >
> > Any recommendation?
>
>
> If you can find Slatkin's St. Louis recording on RCA/BMG, I think it's
> one of the better ones out there to go along with Ormandy's old
> Philadelphia O stereo recording (which I don't know if Sony's re-issued).
They have -- Essential Classics.
SE.
rkhalona
Another favorite recording is Temirkanov's with St. Petersburg on
RCA. The orchestra is most vividly captured (especially the
percussion section). IIRC, the recording engineer is Tony Faulkner,
who has worked on many wonderful recordings.
RK
jeffli...@hotmail.com
That live 5th is one of the finest things I've ever heard from Reiner
(generally I'm not one of the conductor's big fans). I only wish the
mono sound were a little more vivid (there's also a couple of sonic
dropouts in the last mvt.). It's one of my three favorite mono
accounts, along with the Tuxen/Danish Radio (London LP; sadly, my copy
got lost in a move some years ago) and the extraordinary Stokowski/
USSR Radio (Melodiya LP). Of the stereo versions I've heard, my
choices would probably be the Schippers/Philharmonia (regrettably,
mine is in mono on an old Angel LP) and the live 1968 Mravinsky/
Leningrad (best heard on a Czar Classics CD).
Jeff Lipscomb
Kerrison
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Note Message 12 above re the *stereo* CD reissue of the Schippers.
Terrific!
jeffli...@hotmail.com
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Yes, thanks, I saw your earlier message in this thread. According to
Arkiv and Amazon, the CD is scheduled for domestic release on October
30th.
Jeff Lipscomb
Matthew B. Tepper
> Note Message 12 above re the *stereo* CD reissue of the Schippers.
> Terrific!
Those of us who are using a newsreader instead of Google Groups don't know
from any "Message 12." Which post are you referencing?
Akiralx
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Dear friends:
Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
Any recommendation?
Chicago SO/Levine (on the cheap 4CD 'James Levine - A Celebration' DG set
if you can't find the single CD)
Concertgebouw/Ashkenazy
td
> Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed innews:1192399231.2...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
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> > Note Message 12 above re the *stereo* CD reissue of the Schippers.
> > Terrific!
>
> Those of us who are using a newsreader instead of Google Groups don't know
> from any "Message 12."
So, get with the programme, Tepper.
TD
Heck51
> There's a striking feature about Levine's performance: it is very
> similar in ways to the live Reiner/CSO account from 1958 (issued in
> the CSO's 12-CD Centennial set in 1991 and for me the greatest
> performance I know). Particularly the freedom of tempo and the skill
> with which the tempo alterations are integrated. It makes one wonder
> whether Levine had listened to Reiner.>>
Yes, he may have. the tempi and overall approach are similar. the
Reiner is overall my favorite performance [well, Levine is very
close]. it is a classic. the recorded sound isn't great, but it's OK
and certainly provides the electricity and intensity of the
performance...makes me wish I could have heard the "live" one.
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I still stand by Leinsdorf/BSO, but $15 a reasonable price for me to
find out what I might be missing out on.
Bruce
Dontait...@aol.com
I wish I could have heard Reiner do it "live" too. It evidently was
a very important work for him. An additional sad element about the
crippling heart attack he had in October 1960 is that the program he
was then rehearsing to open the CSO season contained the Prokofiev
5th, and they were scheduled to record it for RCA Victor. Plus
Schumann's 2nd Symphony, another Reiner specialty. The CSO's Associate
Conductor Walter Hendl filled in for Reiner at the concerts and
needless to say, Reiner never got to record the works.
Needless to say, I'm happy that you agree with me about Reiner's
performance of the Prokofiev.
Don Tait
Heck51
An additional sad element about the
> crippling heart attack he had in October 1960 is that the program he
> was then rehearsing to open the CSO season contained the Prokofiev
> 5th, and they were scheduled to record it for RCA Victor. Plus
> Schumann's 2nd Symphony, another Reiner specialty."
that is too bad...We lost out on a commercial Prokofiev 5 and Rite of
Spring!!
Reiner's live Schumann #2 archive set -10/57 is really excellent,.
it's my favorite Schumann synphony perfromance overall...
"The CSO's Associate Conductor Walter Hendl filled in for Reiner at
the concerts"
I got to play Prokofev 5 with Hendl when I was in school. It was a
great experience. Hendl of course was Reiner's understudy/clone. He
was a real nasty SOB, mean sarcastic, domineering. like Reiner. but he
was a great conductor., I liked playing for him...the performances
were always thrilling, and had the potential to be really superior.
rehearsals were nerve-wracking!! :)
Heck51
An additional sad element about the
> crippling heart attack he had in October 1960 is that the program he
> was then rehearsing to open the CSO season contained the Prokofiev
> 5th, and they were scheduled to record it for RCA Victor. Plus
> Schumann's 2nd Symphony, another Reiner specialty."
that is too bad...We lost out on a commercial Prokofiev 5 and Rite of
Spring!!
Reiner's live Schumann #2 archive set -10/57 is really excellent,.
it's my favorite Schumann synphony perfromance overall...
"The CSO's Associate Conductor Walter Hendl filled in for Reiner at
the concerts"
I got to play Prokofev 5 with Hendl when I was in school. It was a
Dontait...@aol.com
Some great stories. Many thanks! Especially to learn about Walter
Hendl.
My best,
Don Tait
Dontait...@aol.com
maxwel...@gmail.com
Philadelphia Orchestra twice: once in 1961 and again in 1972. Does
anyone know which is the better performance?
Todd Schurk
Really.?...Ormandy Mahler 5? I think you meant Prokofiev did you not?
I'm pretty sure there was not a recording by Ormandy/Philly of Mahler
5. Todd S
Bob Lombard
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> According to Prokofiev.org, Ormandy recorded Mahler 5 with the
> Philadelphia Orchestra twice: once in 1961 and again in 1972. Does
> anyone know which is the better performance?
>
Assuming you mean the Prokofieff 5, I can only say that the 1961 recording
is not particularly good.
bl
Eric Nagamine
Strongly disagree here. i think the orchestra is in better shape for the
Columbia/Sony recording than for the RCA remake. The reading is stunning
IMO, much more interesting than Szell (whose work I normally like)
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> On Oct 13, 6:08 pm, Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBAS...@attglobal.net>
> > Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
>
> Philadelphia Orchestra. For starters, those searing strings in the
> slow movement--good lord.
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Jz_AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA185&dq=%22I+recently+reviewed+the+CD+reissue+of+Ormandy%27s+1958+Prokofieff+Fifth.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qBVGVLPkFZefyATVpIGACw&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22I%20recently%20reviewed%20the%20CD%20reissue%20of%20Ormandy's%201958%20Prokofieff%20Fifth.%22&f=false
Terry
> Dear friends:
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>
> Thanks
> Juan I. Cahis
> Santiago de Chile (South America)
> Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
The best performance, phenomenally well recorded, is that by the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Vladimir Ashkenazy. Coupled with No. 1. Head and shoulders above any other recording I've heard.
tomdeacon
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Did you hear Karajan, Maazel, Ashkenazy I (with the Concertgebouw
Orchestra), Szell, Jansons, Mravinsky?
Frank Berger
Frank Berger
the few reviews I turned up were decidedly mediocre.
Terry
Terry
Terry
Terry
Orchman
> Dear friends:
> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?>
> Any recommendation?
Frank Berger
http://tinyurl.com/pu23yxt
To be fair, here are a couple of better reviews:
http://tinyurl.com/ltlbp87
http://tinyurl.com/kj8sax5
Terry
Ray Hall
The recording has all the weight needed, especially for the end of the
first movement. Coupled with the Prok 7.
Ray Hall, Taree
ps: I find the Szell recording utterly underwhelming.
jrsnfld
I heard a recent broadcast of the 5th conducted by Ashkenazy. I can't remember if it was with the Sydney SO, but I remember at as good but not as exciting or interesting as several white-hot, sensuous Paavo Jarvi performances also broadcast recently (Cleveland, CIncinnati, and Chicago). Unfortunately I haven't heard Jarvi's studio effort, but often his recordings fall too short of the excitement he generates in concert, so I'll settle for the airchecks at the moment. In addition, Ashkenazy's Concertgebouw recording is quite well recorded and played. While I've never really warmed to it, I get just enough out of it to keep it around.
But consider two stellar performances--the BBC disc of the 1971 tour concert by the Leningrad PO/Rozhdestvensky, and the Kondrashin/Bulgarian National, which can be had as a download for a pittance from Amazon. These two (easily sampled on YT, by the way) wipe away any consideration of buying more Ashkenazy. While not in the Exton class, the sound is no problem. Meanwhile, Rozhdestvensky as usual proceeds at his patient pace revealing all sorts of color and detail achieving crushing power when necessary; Kondrashin does as much while wrenching out every possible emotion from practically every phrase. The music breathes fire.
Who would pay Exton's prices for an Ashkenazy remake when Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky (and Mitropoulos, Mravinsky, Karajan, Szell, Rodzinsky, Koussevitzky, Tennstedt, and others) are out there searing this music into the brain?
If I buy the new Ashkenazy Prokofiev someday it will be to listen to Diana Doherty....
--Jeff
jrsnfld
Usually I'm happier with a Horenstein or a Reiner (in poor sound, unfortunately), both of whom make this music speak grandly and flexibly. But Szell's conception is bold on its own terms.
--Jeff
Russ (not Martha)
> Dear friends:
>
> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
>
> Any recommendation?
>
(I've always regretted that Jansons never recorded #6).
Also like Baudo / CzPO; the percussion especially cleat in the finale's wild-and-crazy coda.
Dorati / Minneapolis is too slow in the scherzo & finale IMO, and there's a glaring misread around m63 in the slow movt. (But the coupled Scythian Suite and love for Three Oranges Suite are great.)
I imprinted on the old Koussevitzky and Rodzinski recordings, in which both conductors take the reprise of the scherzo at the original allegro marcato tempo rather than beginning slowly and accelerating). All that barnyard quacking in the brass is so much more effective at the quick tempo. I wish more conductors would play it that way. The heck with what the score says.
Russ (not Martha)
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D. Nada
> The Levine/CSO recording is currently available in the ArkivCD series.
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=144741
>
> I still stand by Leinsdorf/BSO, but $15 a reasonable price for me to
> find out what I might be missing out on.
>
> Bruce
As much as I admire and support Arkivmusic, I feel compelled to point out that you may find the same disc, used but not a CDR, for considerably less. Several sellers have it for about $3.
Frank Berger
tomdeacon
> On 10/21/2014 6:22 PM, Terry wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 06:20:15 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>>> On 10/21/2014 9:24 AM, Terry wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 14 October 2007 09:08:24 UTC+10, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Dear friends:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Best Prokofiev Fifth Symphony in good stereo sound?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Any recommendation?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please
>>>
>>>>> forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> The best performance, phenomenally well recorded, is that by the
>>>
>>>> Sydney Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Vladimir Ashkenazy. Coupled
>>>
>>>> with No. 1. Head and shoulders above any other recording I've heard.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You're entitled to your opinion, of course, and you may be right, but
>>>
>>> the few reviews I turned up were decidedly mediocre.
>>>
>>>
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>> Where did you turn them up from?
>
> http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-15932/
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pu23yxt
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Terry
jrsnfld
> Does anyone else like the 1959 Dorati/Minneapolis iteration? I do. Beautiful Living Presence sound!
The sound is of course quite familiar from years of Living Presence listening: appealing in an old-fashioned way--you're practically in a rehearsal room with no reverb, so there's good detail and presence. The sound is more vivid than beautiful, a little too suffocated to feel truly warm, maybe topped off with a hissy aspect that comes from digital transfer. I've always had a nagging sense that Mercury gives us the Tinker Toy version of an orchestra.
Despite the perspective, I hear more interesting details in other recordings. What Dorati has going for him is that superb, disciplined orchestra playing with a great sense of rhythm and style, no doubt accentuated by the particular acoustic, but also standard Dorati strengths. Sensible tempi. It's hard not to enjoy it (and as always great to hear so much of Rhadames Angelucci!).
--Jeff