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mandryka
Dec 1, 2011, 12:21:10 PM12/1/11
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I've been listening to this again recently and the more I listen the
more I love the work. The two versions I have are Hogwood and
Harnoncourt.
Both seem pretty successful actually, and very different from each
other. Hogwood elegant and Harnoncourt comic. Hogwood is for me
particularly memorable for the humanity he finds in the opening of the
adagio cantabile. Harnoncourt's style is more contrasted though -- in
the long adagio he finds more interesting twists and turns. Overall I
prefer him to Hogwood but I'll keep both, for sure.
Let me know if you know any other interesting 68s. Bootlegs, old
scratchy historic recordings, parts of big sets, recordings which
aren't on CD . . . all the stuff. This is a symphony well worth
exploring.
more I love the work. The two versions I have are Hogwood and
Harnoncourt.
Both seem pretty successful actually, and very different from each
other. Hogwood elegant and Harnoncourt comic. Hogwood is for me
particularly memorable for the humanity he finds in the opening of the
adagio cantabile. Harnoncourt's style is more contrasted though -- in
the long adagio he finds more interesting twists and turns. Overall I
prefer him to Hogwood but I'll keep both, for sure.
Let me know if you know any other interesting 68s. Bootlegs, old
scratchy historic recordings, parts of big sets, recordings which
aren't on CD . . . all the stuff. This is a symphony well worth
exploring.
herman
Dec 1, 2011, 2:30:53 PM12/1/11
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came out at Brilliant. The Fischer version is very good, too.
Frank Berger
Dec 1, 2011, 3:01:09 PM12/1/11
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Not to many versions in the catalog. Hurwitz like Bela Drahos on Naxos,
FWIW.
mandryka
Dec 1, 2011, 3:18:48 PM12/1/11
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On Dec 1, 8:01 pm, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> herman wrote:
Drahos -- that could be good.I have him playing 51, which another
favourite of mine (it has an amazing adagio -- a concertante movement
for two horns).
And yes, I'm hoing to unearth the Fischer recording, Herman.
I hope you say how you find Dorati: you know he can be very good
indeed. I may have it somewhere in fact.
> herman wrote:
favourite of mine (it has an amazing adagio -- a concertante movement
for two horns).
And yes, I'm hoing to unearth the Fischer recording, Herman.
I hope you say how you find Dorati: you know he can be very good
indeed. I may have it somewhere in fact.
Greg
Dec 1, 2011, 7:34:43 PM12/1/11
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of any notable live ones that I've heard. This is one of Fischer's
stronger performances, and I would probably give him the edge over
Harnoncourt here (I prefer Harnoncourt in the finale though). Hogwood
and Dorati would be below those two. I don't know the Drahos and
would have to dig out Maerzendorfer to refresh my memory of it. The
volume that Fischer's resides on contains 55-69, and was recorded
relatively late in the cycle, which is a good thing - his cycle got
better as it went on.
Greg
Randy Lane
Dec 1, 2011, 7:51:37 PM12/1/11
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I'll give it a listen soon, but I tend to prefer Solomons only in
early (pre-Sturm und Drang) symphonies.
Unfortunately Antonio de Almeida did not include it in his set
containing most of the symphonies from 62-81 (Philips 6747 170 9-LPs).
That would likely have been a good one.
Greg
Dec 1, 2011, 8:20:53 PM12/1/11
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http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Symphonies-Nos-55-67-Hungaroton/dp/B0009K9G0G
Greg
Randy Lane
Dec 1, 2011, 8:45:05 PM12/1/11
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> - Show quoted text -
The Solomons was NOT in one of the volumes that received a CD issue.
Sorry if I mislead anyone.
mandryka
Dec 2, 2011, 1:17:13 AM12/2/11
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> Greg
It's on itunes. They've cut the cantabile movement to 6'50" --
Harnoncourt takes about 14.
I wonder why they did that: maybe it works well. Vilmos Tatrai knew
his Hatdn.
Johannes Roehl
Dec 2, 2011, 7:13:35 AM12/2/11
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explanation. I think I have only his and Fischer's, and frankly, I never
found the piece itself all that remarkable. I have to relisten, but I
around 2009 I did listen quite a bit to all Haydn symphonies, and #68
didn't make any of my virtual shortlists of neglected masterpieces...
herman
Dec 2, 2011, 1:55:29 PM12/2/11
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an early example of "himmlische Laenge". Of course on a recording
you'll have to justify the repeats with expressive means.
Adam Dubin
Dec 3, 2011, 12:25:56 AM12/3/11
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On 2011-12-01 19:45:05 -0600, Randy Lane said:
> On Dec 1, 4:51 pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 1, 4:34 pm, Greg <oneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> On Dec 1, 12:21 pm, mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've been listening to this again recently and the more I listen the
>>>> more I love the work. The two versions I have are Hogwood and
>>>> Harnoncourt.
>>
>>>> Both seem pretty successful actually, and very different from each
>>>> other. Hogwood elegant and Harnoncourt comic. Hogwood is for me
>>>> particularly memorable for the humanity he finds in the opening of the
>>>> adagio cantabile. Harnoncourt's style is more contrasted though -- in
>>>> the long adagio he finds more interesting twists and turns. Overall I
>>>> prefer him to Hogwood but I'll keep both, for sure.
>>
>>>> Let me know if you know any other interesting 68s. Bootlegs, old
>>>> scratchy historic recordings, parts of big sets, recordings which
>>>> aren't on CD . . . all the stuff. This is a symphony well worth
>>>> exploring.
>>>
>>
> On Dec 1, 4:51 pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 1, 4:34 pm, Greg <oneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 1, 12:21 pm, mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've been listening to this again recently and the more I listen the
>>>> more I love the work. The two versions I have are Hogwood and
>>>> Harnoncourt.
>>
>>>> Both seem pretty successful actually, and very different from each
>>>> other. Hogwood elegant and Harnoncourt comic. Hogwood is for me
>>>> particularly memorable for the humanity he finds in the opening of the
>>>> adagio cantabile. Harnoncourt's style is more contrasted though -- in
>>>> the long adagio he finds more interesting twists and turns. Overall I
>>>> prefer him to Hogwood but I'll keep both, for sure.
>>
>>>> Let me know if you know any other interesting 68s. Bootlegs, old
>>>> scratchy historic recordings, parts of big sets, recordings which
>>>> aren't on CD . . . all the stuff. This is a symphony well worth
>>>> exploring.
>>>
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>> Solomons did it, but was in one of the volumes that had CD issues.
>> I'll give it a listen soon, but I tend to prefer Solomons only in
>> early (pre-Sturm und Drang) symphonies.
>> Unfortunately Antonio de Almeida did not include it in his set
>> containing most of the symphonies from 62-81 (Philips 6747 170 9-LPs).
>> That would likely have been a good one.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The Solomons was NOT in one of the volumes that received a CD issue.
> Sorry if I mislead anyone.
Yes, I was just going to mention that. In fact, I've recently
>> I'll give it a listen soon, but I tend to prefer Solomons only in
>> early (pre-Sturm und Drang) symphonies.
>> Unfortunately Antonio de Almeida did not include it in his set
>> containing most of the symphonies from 62-81 (Philips 6747 170 9-LPs).
>> That would likely have been a good one.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The Solomons was NOT in one of the volumes that received a CD issue.
> Sorry if I mislead anyone.
transferred those LP sets of Solomons (I have all the CDs as well,
purchased long ago). I still the two LP volumes of "Morzin" symphonies
to do...
mandryka
Dec 26, 2011, 1:53:37 PM12/26/11
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The Tatrai 68 is very good indeed. The symphony works well with the
andante thing played without the repeats -- you need both really,
Tatrai and a good Himmlische Laenge version.
The Tatrai CD features the most glorious performance of 67 that I've
heard. 67 seems to me an astonishing symphony, full of Haydn magic.
The tender second movement; the extraordinary trio; and the adagio in
the middle of the finale, like a mise en abyme, every bit as effective
as that wind band in the finale of Mozart PC22.
Tatrai's more to my taste that Adam Fischer here I think. Fischer's
orchestra sounds more polished -- I don't think that's necessarily a
good thing here. And Tatrai plays with more textural, tonal variety.
I'm collecting all the Tatrai Haydn symphonies.
andante thing played without the repeats -- you need both really,
Tatrai and a good Himmlische Laenge version.
The Tatrai CD features the most glorious performance of 67 that I've
heard. 67 seems to me an astonishing symphony, full of Haydn magic.
The tender second movement; the extraordinary trio; and the adagio in
the middle of the finale, like a mise en abyme, every bit as effective
as that wind band in the finale of Mozart PC22.
Tatrai's more to my taste that Adam Fischer here I think. Fischer's
orchestra sounds more polished -- I don't think that's necessarily a
good thing here. And Tatrai plays with more textural, tonal variety.
I'm collecting all the Tatrai Haydn symphonies.
John Wiser
Dec 26, 2011, 3:18:59 PM12/26/11
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"mandryka" <howie...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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All this herfiffle led me the Derek Solomons-conducted #68 (which I have
only on cassette) and wish to conur with the Hermster about heavenly
lengths. That recording does take the repeats, and while it is not strong on
nuance, the not-quite-eleven minutes long slow movement never palls. It has
several little flashes of intensely poetic bassoonery, and some
corresponding rough comedy in the finale.
AFAIK only Vol. 7 and 9 of the Solomons sets ever came to CD,
and I've been looking. He elicits conspicuously incisive playing from
all departments, but especially from the strings. Those would be good
candidates for Sony/BMG reissue...if one could satisfy the question of how
well they would sell. Perhaps it is time to revive the practice of
pre-publication subscription.
JDW
news:3f701c9f-5a6f-4874...@q17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
only on cassette) and wish to conur with the Hermster about heavenly
lengths. That recording does take the repeats, and while it is not strong on
nuance, the not-quite-eleven minutes long slow movement never palls. It has
several little flashes of intensely poetic bassoonery, and some
corresponding rough comedy in the finale.
AFAIK only Vol. 7 and 9 of the Solomons sets ever came to CD,
and I've been looking. He elicits conspicuously incisive playing from
all departments, but especially from the strings. Those would be good
candidates for Sony/BMG reissue...if one could satisfy the question of how
well they would sell. Perhaps it is time to revive the practice of
pre-publication subscription.
JDW
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