Brahms' songs?
Philip Peters
"Bob Th." wrote:
> Can the 6 cd DG box with Brahms' songs performed by
> Fischer-Dieskau/Barenboim be recommended?
> Alternatives? Thank you.
>
> Bob Thewissen
This is very good stuff indeed.
Philip
benjo maso
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If you can stand Fischer-Dieskau for more than six hours, of course.
Benjo Maso
samir golescu
> If you can stand Fischer-Dieskau for more than six hours, of course.
>
> Benjo Maso
If Mme Sgroi is still with us, I deplore your fate, Mr Maso....
A. Brain
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>
> > If you can stand Fischer-Dieskau for more than six hours, of course.
> >
> > Benjo Maso
>
> If Mme Sgroi is still with us, I deplore your fate, Mr Maso....
>
One seldom listens to any singer, or even composer, for a straight six
hours.
Unless it's Wagner, and then it's probably better to skip it, or, along the
lines of
what I think Oscar Wilde remarked, take advantage of the loudness and talk
with your friends throughout. (better to skip it, as we opera fans don't
take kindly to
audience disruptions, and the Wagner fans are a really serious lot to begin
with)
I have the EMI set with Fischer-Dieskau doing Brahms songs. It's terrific.
But Fischer-Dieskau is such a great singer, I may have to get this set on
DGG.
In Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Mahler, or any Lieder, its hard for me to
imagine anyone better.
Which is to say, if you aren't into Lieder, you're missing a lot of great
music, and you should start with this wonderful singer.
Sometimes I think I could survive on my DFD recordings and nothing else.
I never got to hear him live; was scheduled to hear him in Hannover, Germany
in 1983, but he cancelled at the last minute. Damn!
To start your DFD collection, I recommend the EMI set of Schubert "hits" and
the Mahler DGG disc--indispensable!
I'm familiar with Ms.Sgroi but thought she was only in the opera ng.
(Haven't seen her
there recently)
If I had to pick one performing artist, living or dead, to "worship", DFD is
the one.
--
A. Brain
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benjo maso
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I used to be a big fan of DFD. The first Lieder-recording I ever bought was
DFD's Winterreise (with Demus) and was deeply impressed. From that moment on
I collected DFD-recordings as avidly as the talented Mr. Ripley and although
I was a poor student I went to see him every time he sung in Amsterdam. My
DFD-fever continued till the moment I bought Heinrich Schlusnus' recording
of Mahler's Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen. It was a true shock-effect
because suddenly I heard how a singer with infinitely simpler means could be
infinitely more effective. Later I had the same experience with Schiotz
Schöne Müllerin. Lehmann's Dichterliebe, etc., etc. Perhaps it was because
of overexposure, but I had the feeling (and I still have) that I can see
through his "bag of tricks". Of course, DFD is a great singer who can can do
almost everything better than any of his collegues, but with a single
exception: being simple. Hearing DFD is like seeing an actor and thinking
all the time: how fantastically well he's acting. But I prefer a performance
when I think only afterwards: geez, it isn't real, it's only an actor!
There are many DFD I admire, but only a few I love. One of them is
Erlkönig which IMO is unsurpassed (probably because it has to be acted).
But I'm afraid six hours of Brahms songs is far to much for me.
Benjo Maso
Edward A. Cowan
> Can the 6 cd DG box with Brahms' songs performed by
> Fischer-Dieskau/Barenboim be recommended?
> Alternatives? Thank you.
>
> Bob Thewissen
Recommended only if DFD's earlier recordings for EMI (in EMI 7 64820 2,
likewise on 6 CDs) prove unobtainable. In the EMI set some songs are
also accompanied by Daniel Barenboim, but others are accompanied by
Wolfgang Sawallisch, Sviatoslav Richter, or Gerald Moore. The booklet
for this set offers texts (in teeny-tiny print) but in German only.
FWIW, I am still awaiting any DG reissue on CD of DFD's 1950's mono
recording of Brahms' "Magelone" songs, accompanied by Jörg Demus, with
DFD's readings from Tieck's novella...
--
E.A.C.
Celia A. Sgroi
samir golescu wrote:
Don't be silly, Samir. Benjo and I have discussed DFD many times and he
has no scars to show for it. And who would want to listen to DFD for six
hours, in Brahms or anything else? I wouldn't!
If someone did want a multi-CD DFD Brahms collection, they would be
better advised to buy the EMI box, which was recorded earlier and employs
Gerald Moore, Wolfgang Sawallisch, and Daniel Barenboim as the pianists,
not to mention Sviatoslav Richter, for this is the only way at the moment
to get the DFD/Richter studio recording of "Die schöne Magelone" on CD.
It can be purchased from http://www.jpc.de/ for a pretty reasonable
price. It has some very fine things in it, especially the complete op. 32
songs with Gerald Moore and the "Schöne Magelone" with Richter.
However, one might consider buying CDs of several singers in Brahms
instead of just DFD. If so, one could get the live Salzburg Festival
recording of a Brahms Liederabend with DFD and Moore and the live
Salzburg "Schöne Magelone" with DFD and Richter (both on Orfeo). I think
I would choose Alexander Kipnis for the "Vier ernste Gesänge" (available
on Preiser, if I recall correctly), and maybe Brigitte Fassbaender and
Irwin Gage's Brahms CD (don't remember the label, and it may be OOP), as
well as that of Margaret Price and James Lockhart (Orfeo).
FWIW, cpo is doing a Brahms series now with Andreas Schmidt, Juliane
Banse, and the inevitable Cord Garben. I have a couple of volumes, and
they're okay but not wonderful.
Personally, I'm still trying to track down Jose Van Dam's Brahms CD on
Forlane. If anyone knows a source for it, I'd love to hear about it.
Celia
samir golescu
Useful post -- you see, my goal has been reached, I extracted you out of
your apparent hibernation. If Mr Peters is reading this, my hidden
vocation of matchmaker might be finally fulfilled....
yours,
SG
William D. Kasimer
>Personally, I'm still trying to track down Jose Van Dam's Brahms CD on
>Forlane. If anyone knows a source for it, I'd love to hear about it.
It's listed on Tower's website as a special order, and is also available
from
French websites, I think. It's the VEG plus op. 32 plus some Wolf songs.
Bill
William D. Kasimer
wkas...@quincymc.org
wkas...@mediaone.net
Celia A. Sgroi
samir golescu wrote:
>
> Useful post -- you see, my goal has been reached, I extracted you out of
> your apparent hibernation.
Yes, I guess you did. I didn't realize that you had missed me.
> If Mr Peters is reading this, my hidden
> vocation of matchmaker might be finally fulfilled....
>
I doubt it. I've never seen any indication that our mutual admiration of DFD
is leading
Philip and me to romance. (Besides, Mrs. Peters might have some objection to
that.) On the other hand, I do recall a Lieder enthusiast (who shall remain
nameless) asking me to adopt him. I was flattered, but I didn't accept. (-:
Celia
sg...@oswego.edu
>
>
>
Celia A. Sgroi
Eltjo Meijer wrote:
> Bob Th. <robert-t...@no-mail.org> schreef
> op Mon, 07 May 2001 22:45:11 +0200:
>
> > Can the 6 cd DG box with Brahms' songs performed by
> > Fischer-Dieskau/Barenboim be recommended?
> > Alternatives? Thank you.
>
> A related question: what are considered to be the highlights of the
> Brahms Lieder?
> Good question! Obviously the "Vier ernste Gesänge" and "Die schöne
> Magelone" would be considered highlights, and there are a number of
> the folksong settings that are very well-known. Beyond that I really
> love the op. 32 songs, which don't build a classic "cycle" but are
> very effective when sung in their entirety. The one really famous song
> in the collection is "Wie bist du, meine Königin." The most recent
> singers to record the entire op. 32 are Thomas Quasthoff and Andreas
> Schmidt, but I like DFD's first complete recording (with Gerald Moore)
> the best. In addition, some highlights among individual songs would
> be:
Feldeinsamkeit
Von ewiger Liebe
Die Mainacht
Immer leiser wird mein Schlummer
Meerfahrt
Wir wandelten
An die Nachtigall
Der Tod, das ist die kühle Nacht
Heimweh II (O wüsst ich doch den Weg zurück)
Ständchen
O liebliche Wangen
Mit vierzig Jahren
Vergebliches Ständchen
Anyway, these are some of my favorites. And, of course, there's the
famous "Wiegenlied" . . . .
Celia
>
Philip Peters
samir golescu wrote:
Thankfully I didn´t read this.
P. (Hi, Celia!)
Terry Simmons
"Eltjo Meijer" <spamv...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> Bob Th. <robert-t...@no-mail.org> schreef
> op Mon, 07 May 2001 22:45:11 +0200:
>
>> Can the 6 cd DG box with Brahms' songs performed by
>> Fischer-Dieskau/Barenboim be recommended?
>> Alternatives? Thank you.
>
> A related question: what are considered to be the highlights of the
> Brahms Lieder?
>
Because of Brahms' well-known powers of self-criticism, I suppose, it seems
to me that his lieder are of uniformly high standard. To me they are all
highlights!
Edward A. Cowan
> Feldeinsamkeit
> Von ewiger Liebe
> Die Mainacht
> Immer leiser wird mein Schlummer
> Meerfahrt
> Wir wandelten
> An die Nachtigall
> Der Tod, das ist die kühle Nacht
> Heimweh II (O wüsst ich doch den Weg zurück)
> Ständchen
> O liebliche Wangen
> Mit vierzig Jahren
> Vergebliches Ständchen
To which one might add:
Sonntag
In stiller Nacht
Vor dem Fenster
Ruhe Süssliebchen
Geheimnis
Am Sonntag Morgen
Wie Melodien zieht es
Wie bist du meine Königin
Botschaft
Das Mädchen spricht
Meine Liebe ist grün
To be sure, several of these are associated in my mind with the 78rpm
recordings of Lehmann and Kipnis. (I enjoy Kipnis' record of "Immer
leiser" even though it's a "woman's song".) These listed titles combined
could make a very rewarding Brahms _Liederabend_, but one would need two
soloists...
>
> Anyway, these are some of my favorites. And, of course, there's the
> famous "Wiegenlied" . . . .
FWIW, I have been exploring the celebrated anthology, _Des Knaben
Wunderhorn_ of Achim von Arnim and Clemens Brentano in the critical
edition published by Reclam. The third volume (of three) contains also
the _Kinderlieder_ collection by the same editors, among which is found
the text of the "Wiegenlied" made famous by Brahms. The source is stated
to be a collection by Johann Friedrich Schütze, _Holsteinisches
Idiotikon, ein Beitrag zur Volkssittengeschichte_ (1800). The notes
further reveal that this was apparently in Low German, and the version
by Arnim and Brentano in High German, especially after the musical
setting by Brahms, caused this earlier version of the Cradle Song to be
forgotten.
To be sure, we are all familiar with the deep affinity Gustav Mahler had
for this _Wunderhorn_ collection...
--
E.A.C.
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> Eltjo Meijer wrote:
> > Bob Th. <robert-t...@no-mail.org> schreef
> > op Mon, 07 May 2001 22:45:11 +0200:
> >
> > > Can the 6 cd DG box with Brahms' songs performed by
> > > Fischer-Dieskau/Barenboim be recommended?
> > > Alternatives? Thank you.
> >
> > A related question: what are considered to be the highlights of the
> > Brahms Lieder?
> > Good question! Obviously the "Vier ernste Gesänge" and "Die schöne
> > Magelone" would be considered highlights, and there are a number of
> > the folksong settings that are very well-known. Beyond that I really
> > love the op. 32 songs, which don't build a classic "cycle" but are
> > very effective when sung in their entirety. The one really famous song
> > in the collection is "Wie bist du, meine Königin." The most recent
> > singers to record the entire op. 32 are Thomas Quasthoff and Andreas
> > Schmidt, but I like DFD's first complete recording (with Gerald Moore)
> > the best. In addition, some highlights among individual songs would
> > be:
> Feldeinsamkeit
> Von ewiger Liebe
> Die Mainacht
> Immer leiser wird mein Schlummer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raG9sh8XJ9U
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https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/cNr6l86kqSE
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"Hilde Konetzni; "Von ewiger Liebe"; Johannes Brahms"