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The Historian

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Jan 30, 2009, 12:14:02 PM1/30/09
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Anyone know the performers on this?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000GFKUDQ

I don't suffer from Mahleria, but at this price I'd get infected.

Bob Lombard

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Jan 30, 2009, 1:38:24 PM1/30/09
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That is a remarkably uninformative listing for one that Amazon is
offering on its own hook. None of the Marketplace Sellers are more
informative either. Looks like ArchivMusic doesn't have it, so that
source of details ain't there.

bl

Batten in Hong Kong

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Jan 30, 2009, 1:53:11 PM1/30/09
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GUSTAV
MAHLER
223511

CD 1

Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen / Songs Of A Wayfarer
Hermann Schey - Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam - Willem
Mengelberg - aufg. / recorded in 1939
Fünf Lieder (Rückert), Auszüge / Five Rückert Songs, Excerpts
III. Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen
Kerstin Thorborg - Wiener Philharmoniker - Bruno Walter -
aufg. / recorded in 1936
II. Ich atmet‘ einen linden Duft (in englischer Sprache / sung in
English)
Charles Kullman - Orchester unbekannt / orchestra unknown - Malcolm
Sargent - aufg. / recorded in 1938
IV. Um Mitternacht
Kathleen Ferrier - Wiener Philharmoniker - Bruno Walter - aufg. /
recorded in 195 2
Zwölf Lieder aus „Des Knaben Wunderhorn“ (Brentano u.
Arnim), Auszüge / Songs From “The Youth’s Magic Horn”
(Brentano a. Armin), Excerpts
IV. Wer hat dies Liedlein erdacht?
Grete Stückgold - Orchester u. Dirigent unbekannt / orchestra and
conductor unknown - aufg. / recorded in 1915
IV. Wer hat dies Liedlein erdacht?
Lula Mysz-Gmeiner - Pianist unbekannt / pianist unknown - aufg. /
recorded in 1926
VII. Rheinlegendchen
Heinrich Schlusnus - Berliner Staatskapelle - Hermann Weigert -
aufg. /
r ecorded in 1931
Sieben Lieder aus letzter Zeit, Auszug / From Orchestral
Songs, Excerpt
II. Der Tamboursg‘sell
Heinrich Schlusnus - Berliner Staatskapelle - Hermann Weigert -
aufg. /
r ecorded in 1931
Vierzehn Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit, Auszug /
From Songs For Voice And Pianoforte, Excerpt
Ich ging mit Lust durch einen grünen Wald
Grete Stückgold - Orchester u. Dirigent unbekannt / orchestra and
conductor unknown - aufg. / recorded in 1921

CD 2

1. Sinfonie D-Dur „Titan“ /
Symphony No. 1 in D major “Titan”
Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra - Dimitri Mitropoulos - aufg. /
recorded in 1940

CD 3+4

2. Sinfonie c-Moll „Auferstehung“ /
Symphony No. 2 in C minor “Resurrection”
Gertrud Bindernagel - Emmi Leisner - Berliner Staatskapelle - Oskar
Fried - aufg. / recorded in 1924
Kindertotenlieder (Rückert)
Kathleen Ferrier - Wiener Philharmoniker - Bruno Walter - aufg. /
recorded in 1949

CD 5

4. Sinfonie G-Dur / Symphony No. 4 in G major
Jo Vincent - Concertgebouw Orchestra, Amsterdam - Willem Mengelberg
aufg. / recorded in 1939

CD 6

5. Sinfonie cis-Moll / Symphony No. 5 in C sharp minor
New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Bruno Walter - aufg. / recorded in
1947

CD 7+8

10. Sinfonie / Symphony No. 10
Orchester der Wiener Staatsoper - Hermann Scherchen - aufg. / recorded
i n 1952
8. Sinfonie Es-Dur „Sinfonie der Tausend“ / Symphony No. 8 in
E flat major “Symphony Of A Thousand”
Francis Yeend, Uta Graf, Camilla Williams, Martha Lipton, Eugene
Conley,
Carlos Alexander, George London - Westminster Choir - Schola Cantorum
Boys‘ Chorus from Public School, Manhattan - Philharmonic Symphony
Orchestra, New York - Leopold Stokowski - aufg. / recorded in 1950

CD 9

9. Sinfonie d-moll / Symphony No. 9 in D minor
Wiener Philharmoniker - Bruno Walter - aufg. / recorded in 1938

CD 10

Das Lied von der Erde / The Song Of The Earth
Kathleen Ferrier - Julius Patzak - Wiener Philharmoniker - Bruno
Walter
aufg. / recorded in 1952

LIEDER • SINFONIEN NR. 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9 • DAS LIED VON DER ERDE
SONGS • SYMPHONIES NOS. 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9 • THE SONG OF THE EARTH

Lionel Tacchini

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Jan 30, 2009, 1:55:47 PM1/30/09
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pgaron

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Jan 30, 2009, 4:08:58 PM1/30/09
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On Jan 30, 12:14 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone know the performers on this?

With the knowledgeable folks in this group, just ask, and you shall
receive -- promptly.

pgaron

Eric Grunin

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Jan 30, 2009, 5:15:21 PM1/30/09
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On Jan 30, 1:53 pm, Batten in Hong Kong <mogumogubat...@gmail.com>
wrote:

<<listing snipped>>

Thanks for posting this.

I wonder if the transfers are any good. They've got good taste -- this
is basically an anthology of the best-regarded early (i.e. public
domain) Mahler performances.

I can't think of any candidates for 3 and 7, the only 6 they might
have included was F. Charles Adler.

Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica

Alan Cooper

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Jan 30, 2009, 6:10:06 PM1/30/09
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Eric Grunin <eric....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ee7e683b-71d7-4d42...@a39g2000prl.googlegroups.
com:

If Adler for 6, why not also for 3? Have to agree with you about 7, though, until
Bernstein I becomes "historical," anyway :-) Scherchen would count, but the
performance is just awful, imo.

AC

TareeDawg

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Jan 30, 2009, 8:10:59 PM1/30/09
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Eric Grunin wrote:

> I wonder if the transfers are any good. They've got good taste -- this
> is basically an anthology of the best-regarded early (i.e. public
> domain) Mahler performances.

I collected virtually all of Membran's jazz series (in the tall book
thingy format that holds 2 CDs) and found the sound generally very good,
from the 1920s up to the 1980s and beyond. Maybe their Mahler is good
too, for the vintage, but I generally don't do historical orchestral
stuff. The early Walter Mahler interests me however, and I could be tempted.

Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree

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Michael Schaffer

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Jan 31, 2009, 12:24:11 AM1/31/09
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On Jan 31, 12:00 am, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> Maurice Abravanel and the Utah Symphony Orchestra recorded all nine of the
> completed symphonies plus the torso of the 10th, probably the first time this
> had been done.

Huh?

> The recordings are perfectly presentable, and the
> interpretations first-class.

Huh?

> It can only have been contractual difficulties
> that prevented this set being accessed.

Huh?

> Abravanel's recordings would have
> come a little later than those in Batten's fine list.

Huh?

jrsnfld

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Jan 31, 2009, 2:16:37 AM1/31/09
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On Jan 30, 3:10 pm, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Eric Grunin <eric.gru...@gmail.com> wrote innews:ee7e683b-71d7-4d42...@a39g2000prl.googlegroups.

Adler's 6 would've been ok, but better the live Rosbaud. And for that
matter, Rosbaud or Scherchen in 7. I would take either of those as
worthy beside the other equally historic recordings they included.

--Jeff

Alan Cooper

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Jan 31, 2009, 7:40:21 AM1/31/09
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jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> wrote in
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com:

> On Jan 30, 3:10 pm, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>> Eric Grunin <eric.gru...@gmail.com> wrote

>> innews:ee7e683b-71d7-4d42-8b22-
> 673fc9...@a39g2000prl.googlegroups.


>> com:
>>
>> > On Jan 30, 1:53 pm, Batten in Hong Kong
>> > <mogumogubat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <<listing snipped>>
>>
>> > Thanks for posting this.
>>
>> > I wonder if the transfers are any good. They've got good
>> > taste -- this is basically an anthology of the best-regarded
>> > early (i.e. public domain) Mahler performances.
>>
>> > I can't think of any candidates for 3 and 7, the only 6 they
>> > might have included was F. Charles Adler.
>>
>> If Adler for 6, why not also for 3?  Have to agree with you
>> about 7, th
> ough, until
>> Bernstein I becomes "historical," anyway :-)  Scherchen would
>> count, bu
> t the
>> performance is just awful, imo.
>>
>> AC
>
> Adler's 6 would've been ok, but better the live Rosbaud. And for
> that matter, Rosbaud or Scherchen in 7. I would take either of
> those as worthy beside the other equally historic recordings
> they included.

Yes, of course Rosbaud for 7; it holds up well to this day (and is the template
for Gielen's excellent recording). I've never understood the affection for any of
Scherchen's Mahler except for his wild "Resurrection," which I love.

AC

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The Historian

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Jan 31, 2009, 9:55:34 AM1/31/09
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On Jan 30, 2:04 pm, EM <emmemmmemnmme...@gnail.com> wrote:
> The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> - Fri, 30 Jan 2009
> 09:14:02 -0800 (PST):

>
> > Anyone know the performers on this?
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000GFKUDQ
>
> No, but you may enjoy a browse here, and even find the answer:
>
> http://www.membran.net/en/index.html
>
> EM

I searched before posting, and didn't find it. Perhaps the set has
been discontinued.

acu...@gmail.com

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Jan 31, 2009, 10:37:32 AM1/31/09
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On Jan 31, 7:52 am, EM <emmemmmemnmme...@gnail.com> wrote:
> Eric Grunin <eric.gru...@gmail.com> - Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:15:21 -0800
> (PST):

>
> > I wonder if the transfers are any good.
>
> Variable (Membran CDs). I don't think they do much or any work on them
> (applies to the Membran releases I own) and sometimes wonder about the
> provenance of their transfers.

Membran and Tim are the same company I believe? I assume they're
mostly
copies of other labels' transfers, for better or worse. Comparing
their Mitropolous/Minnesota
Mahler 1st with Sony Masterworks' version would be interesting. I'm
glad to have some of these
boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli and Stokowski.

Marc Perman

The Historian

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Jan 31, 2009, 10:45:48 AM1/31/09
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Let me recommend the Ormandy box as well. It's a more interesting, and
cheaper, collection than the recent Original Jackets box.

acu...@gmail.com

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On Jan 31, 10:45 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> cheaper, collection than the recent Original Jackets box.- Hide quoted text -

I forgot I have that as well, in its Tim incarnation, and yes it's an
interesting set.

Marc Perman

Bob Harper

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Jan 31, 2009, 1:20:05 PM1/31/09
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While I think the OP's an over-estimation of the Abravanel performances
in general, a couple of the performances--the 2nd, and especially the
4th--are quite fine. Netania Davrath sings the Finale of the 4th about
as well as it has ever been done, and the rest of the performance is
excellent as well.

Here's Hurwitz's take (less contentious than is sometimes the case):

http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=6865

Bob Harper

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