Tchaikovsky's 7th Symphony?
Dean
I have a recording of Tchaikovsky's 7th symphony. I found the
complete symphonies of Tchaikovsky, and it only had six symphonies. I
did some more research and it looks like someone took his music notes
from a piano concerto and turned it into a symphony. Did Tchaikovsky
do the work on the symphony, or is it someone else's work entirely?
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Jon Teske
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>Music question for all of you enthusiasts,
>
>I have a recording of Tchaikovsky's 7th symphony. I found the
>complete symphonies of Tchaikovsky, and it only had six symphonies. I
>did some more research and it looks like someone took his music notes
>from a piano concerto and turned it into a symphony. Did Tchaikovsky
>do the work on the symphony, or is it someone else's work entirely?
>
>Dean
>
Others may know more about this, but I do remember an early 60's
recording of a Tchaikovsky "7th" [Not Manfred] by Ormandy and the
Philadelphia on CBS or Columbia (don't remember what they were called
at that time.) It was a pretty short lived issue. I remember reading
the program notes and forgive my 45+ year memory on this, but I
recall that it WAS a pastiche done by a third party. I do believe a
piano concerto was a part of that pastiche. I seem to remember that
the arranger did have a Russian name and that it was done some time
considerably before the Philadelphia recording.
Columbia's programs notes were a model of the genre at the time (not
the fluff of other labels.) Perhaps someone does have this recording.
I only remember seeing it in a record shop once and after reading the
notes (you could do that with LPs in a store) deciding to take a pass
on it.
I may have heard it once on the radio and was underwhelmed.
It would be interesting to hear more about it. It was pretty clear
that Tchaikovsky had nothing to do with it.
Jon Teske, violinist
Kip Williams
> I have a recording of Tchaikovsky's 7th symphony. I found the
> complete symphonies of Tchaikovsky, and it only had six symphonies. I
> did some more research and it looks like someone took his music notes
> from a piano concerto and turned it into a symphony. Did Tchaikovsky
> do the work on the symphony, or is it someone else's work entirely?
He started on the seventh symphony, but changed his mind and turned it
into the piano concerto #3. The Russian composer, Semyon Bogatyreyev,
reconstructed the symphony using the concerto, sketches for the
symphony, and the first half of the first movement of the symphony,
which Tchaikovsky had finished. The third movement of the "seventh" is
an orchestrated version of a piano scherzo from Tchaikovsky's Opus 72.
The second and fourth movements of the symphony are based on two
movements Tchaikovsky elected not to include in the finished concerto,
which now consists of the first movement of the three-movement concerto
he contemplated.
Info taken from the liner notes of Columbia MS 6349, written by Max De
Schauensee.
Kip W
John
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:12:33 -0800 (PST), Dean
>
> >complete symphonies of Tchaikovsky, and it only had six symphonies. I
> >did some more research and it looks like someone took his music notes
> >from a piano concerto and turned it into a symphony. Did Tchaikovsky
> >do the work on the symphony, or is it someone else's work entirely?
>
> >Dean
>
> Others may know more about this, but I do remember an early 60's
> recording of a Tchaikovsky "7th" [Not Manfred] by Ormandy and the
> Philadelphia on CBS or Columbia (don't remember what they were called
> It would be interesting to hear more about it. It was pretty clear
> that Tchaikovsky had nothing to do with it.
>
> Jon Teske, violinist
Mono LP: Columbia ML 5749
Stereo LP: Columbia MS 6349
Open Reel: Columbia MQ 472
Compact disc: CBS Masterworks Portrait MPK 46453 (with Variations on a
rococo theme for cello; Rose/Ormandy) (never officially released in
the USA)
(I do not own any copies of the above)
The Historian
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:12:33 -0800 (PST), Dean
>
Jarvi and the London Philharmonic, IIRC, recorded it for Chandos about
a decade ago, with Geoffry Tozer playing the PC #3 as filler.
Kerrison
Tchaikovsky sketched a three-movement Piano Concerto towards the end
of his life but orchestrated only the first movement and it is that
which is played (if at all) as his Piano Concerto No. 3 in its single-
movement form. His pupil Taneyev later completed the second and third
movements from Tchaikovsky's sketches so as to make a 3-movement
Concerto and this full version has been recorded that way several
times now. But as John Warrack's sleeve-notes to the HMV/Melodya LP
made clear (USSR Symphony conducted by Leo Ginzburg), Tchaikovsky's
original intention was for this music to have been a full-scale, four-
movement symphony, though the Scherzo (which he initially sketched in
orchestral form) later became one of the 18 Pieces for Piano, Op. 72.
Warrack relates that the Russian musicologist Semyon Bogatyrev "worked
on the sketches contained in the composer's notebooks and out of these
constructed a four-movement symphony on what seems to have been
Tchaikovsky's original plan ... The result is not so much a missing
Tchaikovsky symphony as a skilful performing version of music that
Tchaikovsky had originally intended as a symphony."
In his notes to the Ormandy/Philadelphia CD, Knut Franke writes that
Bogatyrev's reconstruction "contains a large number of interesting
musical ideas that, instead of remaining in a drawer, can henceforth
be heard by the whole world." He also puts it in the same class as
Deryck Cooke's reconstruction of Mahler's 10th Symphony and other
works which were finished by others, such as the Mozart Requiem and
Bartok's 3rd Piano Concerto. In sum, it's well worth hearing and
Ormandy's recording of Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 7 (I believe it was
the first) is still probably the best of the few recordings it has
received.
largo_57
I believe I read somewhere online that Bogatyryev worked on this from
1951-55, and the first performance was in 1957.
There was also a recording by Leo Ginzburg and the USSR Radio SO that
was posted on RMCR a while back by our friend Pyochungsa (and I
believe the link is still good).
- Bryan
Bob Lombard
[...]
>
> In his notes to the Ormandy/Philadelphia CD, Knut Franke writes that
> Bogatyrev's reconstruction "contains a large number of interesting
> musical ideas that, instead of remaining in a drawer, can henceforth
> be heard by the whole world." He also puts it in the same class as
> Deryck Cooke's reconstruction of Mahler's 10th Symphony and other
> works which were finished by others, such as the Mozart Requiem and
> Bartok's 3rd Piano Concerto. In sum, it's well worth hearing and
> Ormandy's recording of Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 7 (I believe it was
> the first) is still probably the best of the few recordings it has
> received.
I's worth hearing once. That can be said of the 3rd PC too.
bl
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This may be of interest:
http://www.tchaikovsky-research.org/en/Works/Unfinished/TH238/index.html
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Knut Franke ... also puts it in the same class as Deryck Cooke's
> reconstruction of Mahler's 10th Symphony and other works which were
> finished by others, such as the Mozart Requiem and Bartok's 3rd Piano
> Concerto.
I had been under the impression that the Bartok was completely composed,
except for the last seventeen measures which were written in a sort of
shorthand, and which were then deciphered by Tibor Serly.
It's Bartok's Viola Concerto which was left basically as a pile of sketches,
which Serly had to sort and decide in what order they should go, as well as
orchestrating the piece from scratch.
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> It's Bartok's Viola Concerto which was left basically as a pile of sketches,
> which Serly had to sort and decide in what order they should go, as well as
> orchestrating the piece from scratch.
>
Yes, and Serly did a damn good job. Its a wonderful piece of music,
though I, a former viola player, am biased.
Doug McDonald
Norman M. Schwartz
LS LITV Volume 64 taken from Stereo MQ 472. Ormandy recorded it 3/11/62. TT
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I think he said of it, "A jigsaw puzzle has only one solution," although I
believe somebody else later came up with a different ordering of the pages.
Bob Lombard
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>> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>
>>> It's Bartok's Viola Concerto which was left basically as a pile of
>>> sketches, which Serly had to sort and decide in what order they should
>>> go, as well as orchestrating the piece from scratch.
>>>
>> Yes, and Serly did a damn good job. Its a wonderful piece of music,
>> though I, a former viola player, am biased.
>
> I think he said of it, "A jigsaw puzzle has only one solution," although I
> believe somebody else later came up with a different ordering of the pages.
>
I'm pretty sure there is another assemblage, and I may even have a
recording of it. Damned if I know who or where.
bl
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The new edition is by Peter Bartók (the composer's son by his second
marriage) and Paul Neubauer, and is on Naxos:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000AEMH/
Firmo Jakl
> Compact disc: CBS Masterworks Portrait MPK 46453 (with Variations on a
> rococo theme for cello; Rose/Ormandy) (never officially released in
> the USA)
> (I do not own any copies of the above)
>
>
>
I own this CD, and would be happy to post it if anyone is interested.
But if you expect anything like the profundity (everything's relative)
of Tchaikovsky's 4 through 6, it ain't here. The slow movement, however
is lovely.
Russ (not Martha)
>
I have the CBS Masterworks Portrait CD. Treason & blasphemy though it
may be, I prefer Bogatyrev's "synthetic" symphony version of the music
to the concerto. BTW - anyone notice a theme in the finale that
sounds kinda like "Dixie?"
Russ (not Martha)
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> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:12:33 -0800 (PST), Dean
>
Used to be a fairly common find at the thrift stores.I picked up one
once for a quarter,and was pretty disappointed in it.It should still
be found cheaply on eBay.I would be very surprised if Sony/BMG ever
saw fit to reissue it,unless it was part of some mammoth Ormandy box
set.
Roger
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> I have the CBS Masterworks Portrait CD. Treason & blasphemy though it
> may be, I prefer Bogatyrev's "synthetic" symphony version of the music
> to the concerto. BTW - anyone notice a theme in the finale that
> sounds kinda like "Dixie?"
If you mean the one which has the upward scale near the beginning, yes,
that's a particularly delightful theme, but unfortunately Tchaikovsky doesn't
know what to do with it and it never rounds itself off satisfyingly.
catman
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> > I have the CBS Masterworks Portrait CD. Treason & blasphemy though it
> > may be, I prefer Bogatyrev's "synthetic" symphony version of the music
> > to the concerto. BTW - anyone notice a theme in the finale that
> > sounds kinda like "Dixie?"
>
> If you mean the one which has the upward scale near the beginning, yes,
> that's a particularly delightful theme, but unfortunately Tchaikovsky doesn't
> know what to do with it and it never rounds itself off satisfyingly.
>
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I reviewed the Jarvi for ARG. He scores heavily for coupling it with
the Third PC, but he doesn't make you believe this is truly part of
the Tchaikovsky canon like Ormandy -- if only Sony had added
Graffman's PC3 instead of the Rococo Variations! There's also a highly
enjoyable reading by Sergei Skripka on Talent DOM 2910 83 -- though it
can't match Ormandy in sound or performance -- that is actually
labeled "A Symphony of Life" as per the article cited farther up. But
I'll admit I'm biased -- I love this piece! (The Rachmaninoff "Fifth
PC" is fun too!)
And by the way, in view of the Bartok discussion, I would submit that
it's high time his Symphony in E-flat (as completed by Denijs Dille)
was brought out on disc too. I have it off the air from Belgian
Radio ...
Russ (not Martha)
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> > I have the CBS Masterworks Portrait CD. Treason & blasphemy though it
> > may be, I prefer Bogatyrev's "synthetic" symphony version of the music
> > to the concerto. BTW - anyone notice a theme in the finale that
> > sounds kinda like "Dixie?"
>
> If you mean the one which has the upward scale near the beginning, yes,
> that's a particularly delightful theme, but unfortunately Tchaikovsky doesn't
> know what to do with it and it never rounds itself off satisfyingly.
>
Well, he may not have done **anything** with it, since we don't know
in what stage of incompletion the finale was left.
Russ (not Martha)
Russ (not Martha)
> into the piano concerto #3. The Russian composer, Semyon Bogatyreyev,
> reconstructed the symphony using the concerto, sketches for the
> symphony, and the first half of the first movement of the symphony,
> which Tchaikovsky had finished. The third movement of the "seventh" is
> an orchestrated version of a piano scherzo from Tchaikovsky's Opus 72.
> The second and fourth movements of the symphony are based on two
> movements Tchaikovsky elected not to include in the finished concerto,
> which now consists of the first movement of the three-movement concerto
> he contemplated.
>
> Info taken from the liner notes of Columbia MS 6349, written by Max De
> Schauensee.
>
> Kip W
Essentially correct; actually the E-flat major work would have been
Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony, and as stated above he dropped the idea of
the symphony and converted the materials into a PF concerto. The 6th
Symphony we know was conceived and completed after that. The
Bogatyrev symphony was just marketed as the '7th.'
Russ (not Martha)
Matthew B. Tepper
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> I reviewed the Jarvi for ARG. He scores heavily for coupling it with
> the Third PC, but he doesn't make you believe this is truly part of the
> Tchaikovsky canon like Ormandy -- if only Sony had added Graffman's PC3
> instead of the Rococo Variations!
I agree with you there -- Ormandy made a really convincing case for it.
> There's also a highly enjoyable reading by Sergei Skripka
A pianist named "Violin"? ;--)
> on Talent DOM 2910 83 -- though it can't match Ormandy in sound or
> performance -- that is actually labeled "A Symphony of Life" as per the
> article cited farther up. But I'll admit I'm biased -- I love this piece!
> (The Rachmaninoff "Fifth PC" is fun too!)
Which "Fifth"? One of the Suites, with one of the piano parts
orchestrated, or that recent monstrosity based on the Symphony #2?
> And by the way, in view of the Bartok discussion, I would submit that
> it's high time his Symphony in E-flat (as completed by Denijs Dille)
> was brought out on disc too. I have it off the air from Belgian Radio ...
I've known the Scherzo from it (as opposed to the Scherzo for piano and
orchestra, a different piece entirely) for years, and it's not half bad.
So why hasn't the rest ever been recorded? Could it be a rights issue?
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catman
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> > I reviewed the Jarvi for ARG. He scores heavily for coupling it with
> > the Third PC, but he doesn't make you believe this is truly part of the
> > Tchaikovsky canon like Ormandy -- if only Sony had added Graffman's PC3
> > instead of the Rococo Variations!
>
> I agree with you there -- Ormandy made a really convincing case for it.
>
> > There's also a highly enjoyable reading by Sergei Skripka
>
> A pianist named "Violin"? ;--)
>
> > on Talent DOM 2910 83 -- though it can't match Ormandy in sound or
> > performance -- that is actually labeled "A Symphony of Life" as per the
> > article cited farther up. But I'll admit I'm biased -- I love this piece!
> > (The Rachmaninoff "Fifth PC" is fun too!)
>
> Which "Fifth"? One of the Suites, with one of the piano parts
> orchestrated, or that recent monstrosity based on the Symphony #2?
>
> > And by the way, in view of the Bartok discussion, I would submit that
> > it's high time his Symphony in E-flat (as completed by Denijs Dille)
> > was brought out on disc too. I have it off the air from Belgian Radio ...
>
> I've known the Scherzo from it (as opposed to the Scherzo for piano and
> orchestra, a different piece entirely) for years, and it's not half bad.
> So why hasn't the rest ever been recorded? Could it be a rights issue?
>
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Actually the way the Scherzo of the Symphony was folded into the slow
movement to make a 3-mmt concerto is one of the more ingenious aspects
of the piece. I'm sure Rachmaninoff would violently disagree -- he
might even call it a "monstrosity" too -- but I think it expands upon
traditional approaches to the Symphony rather more convincingly than,
for example, Beethoven's ersatz Piano Concerto that sounds so much
better on the violin...
As for the orchestral arrangements of the 2-piano suites by Rebekah
Harkness (1) and Lee Hoiby (2), I also cherish the Citadel recording
and could hardly pretend to be unbiased as I used the "Russian Easter"
from No. 1 as the signature of my old radio show...
Rob Lindauer
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Kip Williams
> Actually the way the Scherzo of the Symphony was folded into the slow
> movement to make a 3-mmt concerto is one of the more ingenious aspects
> of the piece. I'm sure Rachmaninoff would violently disagree -- he
> might even call it a "monstrosity" too -- but I think it expands upon
> traditional approaches to the Symphony rather more convincingly than,
> for example, Beethoven's ersatz Piano Concerto that sounds so much
> better on the violin...
Better on the violin, true. At least that really was Beethoven's, and
not some hitchhiking hack's work, and it gave us some cadenzas by Ludwig
himself. (Am I only imagining that I read somewhere that the first of
these was adapted as a violin cadenza a few years back?)
Kip W
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> On Jan 28, 3:32 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>
>> > I reviewed the Jarvi for ARG. He scores heavily for coupling it with
>> > the Third PC, but he doesn't make you believe this is truly part of
>> > the Tchaikovsky canon like Ormandy -- if only Sony had added
>> > Graffman's PC3 instead of the Rococo Variations!
>>
>> I agree with you there -- Ormandy made a really convincing case for it.
>>
>> > There's also a highly enjoyable reading by Sergei Skripka
>>
>> A pianist named "Violin"? ;--)
>>
>> > on Talent DOM 2910 83 -- though it can't match Ormandy in sound or
>> > performance -- that is actually labeled "A Symphony of Life" as per
>> > the article cited farther up. But I'll admit I'm biased -- I love this
>> > piece! (The Rachmaninoff "Fifth PC" is fun too!)
>>
>> Which "Fifth"? One of the Suites, with one of the piano parts
>> orchestrated, or that recent monstrosity based on the Symphony #2?
>>
>> > And by the way, in view of the Bartok discussion, I would submit that
>> > it's high time his Symphony in E-flat (as completed by Denijs Dille)
>> > was brought out on disc too. I have it off the air from Belgian
>> > Radio ...
>>
>> I've known the Scherzo from it (as opposed to the Scherzo for piano and
>> orchestra, a different piece entirely) for years, and it's not half bad.
>
>> So why hasn't the rest ever been recorded? Could it be a rights issue?
>
> Actually the way the Scherzo of the Symphony was folded into the slow
> movement to make a 3-mmt concerto is one of the more ingenious aspects of
> the piece. I'm sure Rachmaninoff would violently disagree -- he might
> even call it a "monstrosity" too -- but I think it expands upon
> traditional approaches to the Symphony rather more convincingly than,
> for example, Beethoven's ersatz Piano Concerto that sounds so much
> better on the violin...
My apologies, Mr. Haller (fellow veteran of the 1980s ARG); I'm not trying
to be dismissive of your opinion, but I strongly disliked the bits I heard
somewhere -- perhaps on Julie Amacher's "Classical Tracks." Anybody who
has heard me wax excited about the Brahms-Schoenberg Piano Quartet knows
that there are some arrangements that I love, but from the excerpts I have
heard, this Rachmaninoff one doesn't seem likely to join that group.
> As for the orchestral arrangements of the 2-piano suites by Rebekah
> Harkness (1) and Lee Hoiby (2), I also cherish the Citadel recording
> and could hardly pretend to be unbiased as I used the "Russian Easter"
> from No. 1 as the signature of my old radio show...
Indeed. I kick myself for not picking up that Citadel CD, which was a
reissue of an LP, perhaps on Desto?
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Dean
Thanks for all the info!
My father had a record back in the day and I found a CD several years
ago, and I always thought there were seven symphonies. So I was
surprised when I found out he only wrote six, because I like the 7th
the best.
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In fact there are eight. He called Manfred a symphony -- not a
symphonic poem or suite -- and I have no reason to dispute it (nor
Berlioz' Harold in Italy either). Therefore, you could make the case
that the only conductor who ever recorded all of Tchaikovsky's
symphonies was Ormandy...
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>> catman wrote:
>>> Actually the way the Scherzo of the Symphony was folded into the
>>> slow movement to make a 3-mmt concerto is one of the more ingenious
>>> aspects of the piece. I'm sure Rachmaninoff would violently
>>> disagree -- he might even call it a "monstrosity" too -- but I
>>> think it expands upon traditional approaches to the Symphony rather
>>> more convincingly than, for example, Beethoven's ersatz Piano
>>> Concerto that sounds so much better on the violin...
>>
>> Better on the violin, true. At least that really was Beethoven's, and
>> not some hitchhiking hack's work, and it gave us some cadenzas by
>> Ludwig himself. (Am I only imagining that I read somewhere that the
>> first of these was adapted as a violin cadenza a few years back?)
>
> Yes, by Wolfgang Schneiderhan.
IIRC Swensen/Previn also do the same.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Thanks for the further data point, which enabled me to find this:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/op61cadenza
Norman M. Schwartz
And my thanks as well for providing the above link.
Norman
Philip
think I have it on CD along with Jarvi (Chandos) & Ginzburg
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Neil
> complete symphonies of Tchaikovsky, and it only had six symphonies. I
> did some more research and it looks like someone took his music notes
> from a piano concerto and turned it into a symphony. Did Tchaikovsky
> do the work on the symphony, or is it someone else's work entirely?
In the 1960s some musicologist and somewhat composer took the one-
movement Piano Concerto 3 and used the orchestra part for Movement I,
then did a combination of fragments and invented music for movements
II, III and IV. Was recorded with some hooplah on Columbia by Ormandy/
Philadelphia. In same category as Beethoven Symphony 10 and Schubert
Finished Symphony 8.
Neil Miller, author: The Piano Lessons Book & Piano Classics Analyzed
Methods and theory for confident memorized performances.
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Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book or Neil Miller Piano Analyzed
Gerard
I wonder if you actually can see that there are other replies in this thread
(days before you posted this).