Mitropoulos Richard Strauss
pianomaven
and VPO (Ein Alpinesinfonie). Both recorded in mono by the Austrian
radio services in 1958 and 1956 respectively and issued by Orfeo in
their Salzburg Festspiel Dokkumente series.
Although certainly not SOTA sound, it is adequate, and certainly
conveys the conductor's ability to make his orchestra soar with
romantic fervor. "Von den Freuden und Leidenschaften" has just the
kind of sweep it needs. Less sure about the slightly wiry sound of the
solo violinist (Hermann Krebbers?), but that is only in the high range
and may be the radio recording not the violinist, himself. The rest of
the orchestra seems its usual glorious self in ASZ.
I do hope that United Archives reissues the Mitropoulos material from
their first series and goes on to further volumes.
And we do have the Music&Arts two four CD sets of other live
performances in order to get a truer picture of this amazingly
talented conductor. One wonders if his being gay had anything to do
with Mitropoulos' brief tenure in New York. Ironic that he was
replaced by a notorious "bi-sexual" by the name of Bernstein. Maybe
they didnlt like him because he was bald? Who can tell? But
traditionally it seems orchestra boards have real problems dealing
with gay maestros. Wonder how Philly will deal with N-S, coming
immediately on the heels of CE.
TD
Gerard
> Two recordings on Orfeo, one with the COA (Also sprach Zarathustra)
> and VPO (Ein Alpinesinfonie). Both recorded in mono by the Austrian
> radio services in 1958 and 1956 respectively and issued by Orfeo in
> their Salzburg Festspiel Dokkumente series.
>
> Although certainly not SOTA sound, it is adequate, and certainly
> conveys the conductor's ability to make his orchestra soar with
> romantic fervor. "Von den Freuden und Leidenschaften" has just the
> kind of sweep it needs. Less sure about the slightly wiry sound of the
> solo violinist (Hermann Krebbers?),
Not likely that it was Krebbers (who was concertmaster in The Hague until 1962).
pianomaven
I wonder who it was. Where on the net is there a history of the
orchestra which would give such things, I wonder. Perhaps Wiki?
TD
TD
Oscar
>
> I do hope that United Archives reissues the Mitropoulos material from
> their first series and goes on to further volumes.
>
> And we do have the Music&Arts two four CD sets of other live
> performances in order to get a truer picture of this amazingly
> talented conductor.
Tom, have you read the William Trotter's Mitropoulos biography, The
Priest of Music? Any good? I just placed a hold with Los Angeles
Public Library.
pianomaven
Nope.
I never knew much about him on record. The UA box was something of a
revelation to me. As were the two M&A boxes. That's a lot of CDs of
one conductor I had not known much about. But it does appear he was
really something special. In many ways as special as Leonard Bernstein
who followed him in New York.
It would be interesting to read, no doubt.
TD
M forever
Maybe Theo Olof.
M forever
> Two recordings on Orfeo, one with the COA (Also sprach Zarathustra)
> and VPO (Ein Alpinesinfonie).
"Ein Alpinesinfonie"? What language is that?
Gerard
That is of course less likely, because Olof was concertmaster in The Hague until
1971.
Alexandros Rigas
This one is maintained by Prof Kostios, Mitropoulos' biographer and main researcher.
Trotter's book is really outstanding and depicts a lot of the backgroung regarding Mitropoulos' tenure in NY etc etc.
Alexandros Rigas
Jan Bresser (1.11.40-1.9.65)
Jan Damen (1.9.48-20.12.57)
Jacob Krachmalnick (1.9.58-1.3.60)
Steven Staryk (1.4.60-1.9.62)
also
Herman Krebbers (1.9.62-1.9.80)
Theo Olof (1.9.74-1.9.85)
Alexandros Rigas
...and speaking of R Strauss, there is pre-war photo portrait of R Strauss dedicated by the composer to Mitropoulos, where Strauss stresses M's magnificent performance of Also sprach. This photo is not published, it exists in Kostios's archives and was part of an exhibition he organized years ago.
Alexandros Rigas
So since the Aslo Sparach concert was hel on 20 Aug 58 then the concertmaster shpuld have been Jan Bresser.
Gerard
Likely. But it's no guarantee that he played the violin solo on that recording.
pianomaven
Correct.
The culprit will forever remain anonymous. But the real culprit is
likely the ORF recording engineers.
TD
pianomaven
Thank you very much. This illuminates the situation clearly.
TD
Alan Cooper
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Gripping reading, imo. I think you'll find it fascinating.
AC
Steve de Mena
> And we do have the Music&Arts two four CD sets of other live
> performances in order to get a truer picture of this amazingly
> talented conductor. One wonders if his being gay had anything to do
> with Mitropoulos' brief tenure in New York.
I thought M resigned. There's a couple of scanned documents about
this at the NY Phil web site.
Steve
pianomaven
That is often the outcome of a battle. One side resigns in order to
maintain his or her privacy.
You can't fight city hall. Old Chinese saying.
TD
wagnerfan
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No, "One" doesn't wonder if his being gay had anything to do with his
leaving but Leakin' Deacon sure does. Don't you love it when he uses the
royal "One" - thinking he is Queen Victoria again, poor old sot. Not
surprising his swamp of a mind would want to know some scandalous story (or
why would he ask???) but expected from an old fool whose primary source of
news is the National Enquirer. Wagner fan
boombox
> "Steve de Mena" <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote in messagenews:Q4-dnbA8r6IA4P7T...@giganews.com...
Perhaps one should wonder, for DM's sexuality figured prominently in a
campaign to discredit him and weaken his position at the NYP. It's a
sad story, and one in which LB does not come off well.
M forever
LB? How was he involved? Please explain.
boombox
LB apparently outed and generally undermined his mentor in order to
improve his own chances for not one, but two posts, first the
directorship of the BSO and then the NYPO. The best documentation of
this is in William Trotter's Mitropoulos bio, "Priest of Music."
Alexandros Rigas
> On Sep 4, 12:01 pm, M forever <[email address]> wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 10:26 am, boombox <[email address]> wrote:
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> > > On Sep 4, 9:52 am, "wagnerfan" <[email address]> wrote:
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> > > > "Steve de Mena" <[email address]> wrote in messagenews:Q4-dnbA8r6IA4P7T...@giganews.com...
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> > > > > On 9/3/11 8:52 AM, pianomaven wrote:
> >
> > > > >> And we do have the Music&Arts two four CD sets of other live
> > > > >> performances in order to get a truer picture of this amazingly
> > > > >> talented conductor. One wonders if his being gay had anything to do
> > > > >> with Mitropoulos' brief tenure in New York.
> >
> > > > > I thought M resigned. There's a couple of scanned documents about this at
> > > > > the NY Phil web site.
> >
> > > > > Steve
> >
> > > > No, "One" doesn't wonder if his being gay had anything to do with his
> > > > leaving but Leakin' Deacon sure does. Don't you love it when he uses the
> > > > royal "One" - thinking he is Queen Victoria again, poor old sot. Not
> > > > surprising his swamp of a mind would want to know some scandalous story (or
> > > > why would he ask???) but expected from an old fool whose primary source of
> > > > news is the National Enquirer. Wagner fan
> >
> > > Perhaps one should wonder, for DM's sexuality figured prominently in a
> > > campaign to discredit him and weaken his position at the NYP. It's a
> > > sad story, and one in which LB does not come off well.
> >
> > LB? How was he involved? Please explain.
>
> LB apparently outed and generally undermined his mentor in order to
> improve his own chances for not one, but two posts, first the
> directorship of the BSO and then the NYPO. The best documentation of
> this is in William Trotter's Mitropoulos bio, "Priest of Music."
And although Koussevitzky was strongly positive to have Lenny as his successor, the BSO Board did not approve. But as you said, the Trotter book provides lots of info in this respect.
M forever
Interesting. They have that at the local library, so I will check that
out some time. Was DM aware of that betrayal? It seems that they
shared a tour to South America after LB had already taken over, so it
doesn't look like DM departed "in shame".
pianomaven
If that is the case - I look forward to reading all about it in the
bio -it is very sad, indeed, particularly as LB was known to be gay
throughout the musical community in New York, and that from the very
beginning.
TD
Bob Harper
So are you Crabbe or Goyle? (see other thread)
Bob Harper
Matthew B. Tepper
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> And although Koussevitzky was strongly positive to have Lenny as his
> successor, the BSO Board did not approve. But as you said, the Trotter
> book provides lots of info in this respect.
For what reason? Because he was deemed too young, or too Jewish, or both?
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the NYP's principal oboist. I think William Lincer is also listed as
one of DM's chief enemies in the NYP. I don't know how accurate
Trotter is ..there was some negative criticism of Priest of Music when
it was published. In Solti's autobiography, he talks about his first
rehearsal with the NYP. He told them "It has always been my dream to
conduct the NYP", whereupon the principal violist (Lincer) stood up
and said "You say that to every orchestra!" Stories about the NYP's
street gang mentality are legion.
Rich
Alexandros Rigas
> ...And we do have the Music&Arts two four CD sets of other live
> performances in order to get a truer picture of this amazingly
> talented conductor. One wonders if his being gay had anything to do
> TD
Regarding Mitropoulos' tenure duration in NY here is the list:
1922-1930 Willem Mengelberg 8y
1928-1936 Arturo Toscanini 8y
1936-1941 John Barbirolli 5y
1943-1947 Artur Rodziński 4y
1949-1950 Leopold Stokowski (co-principal conductor) 1y
1949-1958 Dimitri Mitropoulos 9y
1958-1969 Leonard Bernstein 11y
1971-1977 Pierre Boulez 6y
1978-1991 Zubin Mehta 13y
1991-2002 Kurt Masur 11y
2002-2009 Lorin Maazel 7y
So Mitropoulos one is one of the longest in the NYPO's after Mahler history.
Trotter writes in his book that Szell called the NYPO "murderers' row"!
RiRiIII
> Alexandros Rigas <alex_...@hotmail.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:
> f612e910-7dec-4937...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com:
>
> > And although Koussevitzky was strongly positive to have Lenny as his
> > successor, the BSO Board did not approve. But as you said, the Trotter
> > book provides lots of info in this respect.
>
> For what reason? Because he was deemed too young, or too Jewish, or both?
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
>
Apparently, the BSO board was not convinced that Lenny was capable to take over and did not like the way he approached Koussevitzky, or the board was informed about his sexuality [Lenny as per Trotter tried and succeeded to inform the homo-phobic Koussy on Mitropoulos sexuality so as not to chose Mitropoulos as his successor; Lenny was a youngster back then and hsi tastes not of common interest] or religious matters. All of these reasons may be applicable.
gggg...@gmail.com
> Two recordings on Orfeo, one with the COA (Also sprach Zarathustra)...
The COA recording was recently uploaded on Youtube. Search:
- mitropoulos addiobelpassato
gggg gggg
> Two recordings on Orfeo, one with the COA (Also sprach Zarathustra)
> radio services in 1958 and 1956 respectively and issued by Orfeo in
> their Salzburg Festspiel Dokkumente series.
> Although certainly not SOTA sound, it is adequate, and certainly
> conveys the conductor's ability to make his orchestra soar with
> romantic fervor. "Von den Freuden und Leidenschaften" has just the
> kind of sweep it needs. Less sure about the slightly wiry sound of the
> and may be the radio recording not the violinist, himself. The rest of
> the orchestra seems its usual glorious self in ASZ.
> their first series and goes on to further volumes.
> performances in order to get a truer picture of this amazingly
> talented conductor. One wonders if his being gay had anything to do
> replaced by a notorious "bi-sexual" by the name of Bernstein. Maybe
> they didnlt like him because he was bald? Who can tell? But
> traditionally it seems orchestra boards have real problems dealing
> with gay maestros. Wonder how Philly will deal with N-S, coming
> immediately on the heels of CE.
> TD
(Recent Y. upload):
"Richard Strauss "Die Frau ohne Schatten-Suite" Dimitri Mitropoulos"