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William Sommerwerck
May 21, 2013, 9:04:53 AM5/21/13
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Last night "Jeopardy!" had one its rare appearances of the Classical Music
category. (Opera is a similar rarity.) I could understand someone never having
heard of Domenico Scarlatti, but was flabbergasted that none of the
contestants had heard of the "New World" symphony. (At least the guy who got
the Daily Double was able to figure out Mussorgsky had written "Night on Bald
Mountain".)
I suspect if there were a Jazz category, the contestants would do equally
poorly.
A few months ago I read about the long-term shift in "Jeopardy!" contestants.
40 years ago, they were generally well-educated people. This is no longer the
case.
"'We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right questions."
-- Edwin Land
category. (Opera is a similar rarity.) I could understand someone never having
heard of Domenico Scarlatti, but was flabbergasted that none of the
contestants had heard of the "New World" symphony. (At least the guy who got
the Daily Double was able to figure out Mussorgsky had written "Night on Bald
Mountain".)
I suspect if there were a Jazz category, the contestants would do equally
poorly.
A few months ago I read about the long-term shift in "Jeopardy!" contestants.
40 years ago, they were generally well-educated people. This is no longer the
case.
"'We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right questions."
-- Edwin Land
JohnGavin
May 21, 2013, 10:31:39 AM5/21/13
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I do remember that Classical Music was a fairly common category not so long ago.
It's a clear sign of the times.
arri bachrach
May 21, 2013, 2:05:16 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 9:04 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
just heard that the pianist for the group 'Doors' just died......... I
never head of them either... so why should you be surprised?
AB
wrote:
never head of them either... so why should you be surprised?
AB
Gerard
May 21, 2013, 2:13:51 PM5/21/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
> Last night "Jeopardy!" had one its rare appearances of the Classical
> Music category. (Opera is a similar rarity.) I could understand
> someone never having heard of Domenico Scarlatti, but was
> flabbergasted that none of the contestants had heard of the "New
> World" symphony. (At least the guy who got the Daily Double was able
> to figure out Mussorgsky had written "Night on Bald Mountain".)
>
> I suspect if there were a Jazz category, the contestants would do
> equally poorly.
>
> A few months ago I read about the long-term shift in "Jeopardy!"
> contestants. 40 years ago, they were generally well-educated people.
> This is no longer the case.
>
Most people in the world never have heard about "Jeopardy!".
> Music category. (Opera is a similar rarity.) I could understand
> someone never having heard of Domenico Scarlatti, but was
> flabbergasted that none of the contestants had heard of the "New
> World" symphony. (At least the guy who got the Daily Double was able
> to figure out Mussorgsky had written "Night on Bald Mountain".)
>
> I suspect if there were a Jazz category, the contestants would do
> equally poorly.
>
> A few months ago I read about the long-term shift in "Jeopardy!"
> contestants. 40 years ago, they were generally well-educated people.
> This is no longer the case.
>
Charles H. Sampson
May 21, 2013, 2:39:07 PM5/21/13
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requires fast retrieval of facts. Contestants have committed to memory a
large set of isolated pieces of information. The fact that classical
music is no longer a category that contestants spend much time on is
another piece of bad news for us, albeit from a strange direction.
Charlie
--
Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
Christopher Webber
May 21, 2013, 2:55:16 PM5/21/13
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On 21/05/2013 19:39, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> The fact that classical
> music is no longer a category that contestants spend much time on is
> another piece of bad news for us, albeit from a strange direction.
Personally I'm delighted that this meaningless "classical music"
> The fact that classical
> music is no longer a category that contestants spend much time on is
> another piece of bad news for us, albeit from a strange direction.
category is disappearing up society's fundament.
The more outside social norms "real music" appears, the more attractive
it's bound to become to the people we'd want to be attracted to it (and
us) in the first place.
I always thought "Doors" were convenient points of egress in walls. And
judging from the reverential clips assaulting my eardrums on today's BBC
Radio 4 news programmes, I think that's just what this group were too -
holes in the wall.
Certainly the late, lamented pianist of these "Doors" seemed unable to
hold a line, or to play the keyboards with any degree of either accuracy
or talent. Presumably that's why everyone's falling over themselves on
the hip Arts Progs to call him a "genius" (another word that's overdue
for the rubbish bin).
Herman
May 21, 2013, 2:59:39 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:55:16 PM UTC+2, Christopher Webber wrote:
>
> Certainly the late, lamented pianist of these "Doors" seemed unable to
>
> hold a line, or to play the keyboards with any degree of either accuracy
>
> or talent.
Geez, is this necessary? The Doors were largely a theatrical act, just like the Stones, but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
>
> Certainly the late, lamented pianist of these "Doors" seemed unable to
>
> hold a line, or to play the keyboards with any degree of either accuracy
>
> or talent.
Christopher Webber
May 21, 2013, 3:09:10 PM5/21/13
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On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
Musician he weren't.
William Sommerwerck
May 21, 2013, 4:30:44 PM5/21/13
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> just heard that the pianist for the group 'Doors' just died...
> I never head of them either... so why should you be surprised?
I don't listen to the Doors and have never purchased one of their albums. But
it's hard to believe someone living in the Western world (or at least an
English-speaking country) has never heard of them.
whiskynsplash
May 21, 2013, 5:00:10 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 8:04 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
I agree that the classical music category on Jeopardy seems to be one
that is hardest for a majority of contestants. Many's the time that
I've shouted out the answer and watched all three contestants draw a
blank. Why this should be so I cannot fathom, tough questions on
literature, theatre, art, films, popular music, all draw correct
responses so I would not call the contestants uneducated. It just
seems to be that art music now appeals only to a minority of a
minority. The situation on "Who want's to be a Millionaire?" is even
worse. But the strange thing is that people squirrel away and retrieve
the most abstruse trivia on popular culture and celebrities while
remaining completely ignorant about even the simplest science facts.
Are physics, chemistry and biology not taught in American High schools
any longer? Just saw a woman announce confidently that ozone was CO2
not O3. How can the populance vote intelligently on issues such as the
hole in the ozone layer or global warning without knowing the basics?
Getting back to the quiz show, Jeopardy, the IBM computer program,
Watson, has now reached the stage where it beats even the best human
contestants. But like all artificial intelligence programs it cannot
be said to "understand" anything in the human sense of the term. I'm
sure it could dredge up links to terms like Domenico Scarlatti, the
New World Symphony and so on, but even with an aural interface could
it ever recognise and compare large-scale musical works or performers
after listening to only a few notes like most of the self-described
experts on this group do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(computer)
Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
quick with your answers.
http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
wrote:
that is hardest for a majority of contestants. Many's the time that
I've shouted out the answer and watched all three contestants draw a
blank. Why this should be so I cannot fathom, tough questions on
literature, theatre, art, films, popular music, all draw correct
responses so I would not call the contestants uneducated. It just
seems to be that art music now appeals only to a minority of a
minority. The situation on "Who want's to be a Millionaire?" is even
worse. But the strange thing is that people squirrel away and retrieve
the most abstruse trivia on popular culture and celebrities while
remaining completely ignorant about even the simplest science facts.
Are physics, chemistry and biology not taught in American High schools
any longer? Just saw a woman announce confidently that ozone was CO2
not O3. How can the populance vote intelligently on issues such as the
hole in the ozone layer or global warning without knowing the basics?
Getting back to the quiz show, Jeopardy, the IBM computer program,
Watson, has now reached the stage where it beats even the best human
contestants. But like all artificial intelligence programs it cannot
be said to "understand" anything in the human sense of the term. I'm
sure it could dredge up links to terms like Domenico Scarlatti, the
New World Symphony and so on, but even with an aural interface could
it ever recognise and compare large-scale musical works or performers
after listening to only a few notes like most of the self-described
experts on this group do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(computer)
Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
quick with your answers.
http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
O
May 21, 2013, 5:18:38 PM5/21/13
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In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
since then.
-Owen
leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
since then.
-Owen
MiNe 109
May 21, 2013, 5:27:00 PM5/21/13
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In article
<e8ee386a-3820-45ea...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
Madrigal, but I'll give it a try...19/25 and I don't feel too bad about
the missing knowledge.
Stephen
<e8ee386a-3820-45ea...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
whiskynsplash <whisky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
23/25 on the first category. I wouldn't expect to do well on the
> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
Madrigal, but I'll give it a try...19/25 and I don't feel too bad about
the missing knowledge.
Stephen
Mark S
May 21, 2013, 5:30:36 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 2:00 pm, whiskynsplash <whiskynspl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
Well, I missed 4 on the Renaissance Madrigal quiz. It isn't that hard
>
>
> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
if you know Italian, as many of the clues rather give the answer away
in how their phrased.
Gerard
May 21, 2013, 5:40:09 PM5/21/13
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Oscar
May 21, 2013, 5:40:47 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 2:30 pm, Mark S wrote:
>
> It isn't that hard if you know Italian, as many of the clues
> rather give the answer away in how their phrased.
I'll take 'THEY'RE's No THERE THEIR' for $1000, Alex.
>
> It isn't that hard if you know Italian, as many of the clues
> rather give the answer away in how their phrased.
John Wiser
May 21, 2013, 5:43:41 PM5/21/13
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"Herman" <her...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ea4c630b-eb2a-4dd3...@googlegroups.com...
Then why did he specialize in playing crap?
jdw
news:ea4c630b-eb2a-4dd3...@googlegroups.com...
jdw
William Sommerwerck
May 21, 2013, 6:12:14 PM5/21/13
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> Getting back to the quiz show, Jeopardy, the IBM computer
> program, Watson, has now reached the stage where it beats
> even the best human contestants.
But its mistakes can be startling. It seems to be looking for searchable
> program, Watson, has now reached the stage where it beats
> even the best human contestants.
associations -- it doesn't actually "understand" the answer in the way a human
being does.
William Sommerwerck
May 21, 2013, 6:23:43 PM5/21/13
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> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
It wasn't too hard. Neither was it wholly trivial. I got 23/25 on choral.
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
By the way, the clock starts much too quickly. You should have 5 seconds
before it starts.
Mort
May 21, 2013, 6:28:49 PM5/21/13
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At its peak, only about 5% of music recordings sold in the USA were of
classical music. Right now, I suspect that both the proportion and the
absolute numbers are way down. At the concerts and recitals that I have
attended, mostly in the New York City area, there are many more senior
citizens than young people.
It seems to be a trend of he times.
Mort Linder
William Sommerwerck
May 21, 2013, 6:32:49 PM5/21/13
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One of the quiz subjects is Rivers in Music. So here's one for you...
"What is the principal waterway of the Crimea?"
answer: the Crimea river
"What is the principal waterway of the Crimea?"
answer: the Crimea river
Mike Painter
May 21, 2013, 6:35:48 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:00:10 -0700, whiskynsplash wrote
(in article
<e8ee386a-3820-45ea...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
That looks like a fun site to spend time at.
I did the choral quiz and scored 25/25. The madrigals I knew I wouldn't know
anything about and gave up after getting the first three wrong ;-)
cheers,
MIke
(in article
<e8ee386a-3820-45ea...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
> Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> quick with your answers.
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/other_music/classical_music.html
I did the choral quiz and scored 25/25. The madrigals I knew I wouldn't know
anything about and gave up after getting the first three wrong ;-)
cheers,
MIke
Mike Painter
May 21, 2013, 6:44:39 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:32:49 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote
(in article <kngsf2$9el$1...@dont-email.me>):
> One of the quiz subjects is Rivers in Music. So here's one for you...
>
> "What is the principal waterway of the Crimea?"
>
> answer: the Crimea river
Peter Schickele used that in his spoken introduction to PDQ Bach's "The
Preachers of Crimetheus." :-)
cheers,
Mike
(in article <kngsf2$9el$1...@dont-email.me>):
> One of the quiz subjects is Rivers in Music. So here's one for you...
>
> "What is the principal waterway of the Crimea?"
>
> answer: the Crimea river
Preachers of Crimetheus." :-)
cheers,
Mike
Christopher Webber
May 21, 2013, 6:48:00 PM5/21/13
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On 21/05/2013 21:30, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> I don't listen to the Doors and have never purchased one of their
> albums. But it's hard to believe someone living in the Western world (or
> at least an English-speaking country) has never heard of them.
I fear I had to look up the "Stones" too, mentioned by Mr Herman in his
> I don't listen to the Doors and have never purchased one of their
> albums. But it's hard to believe someone living in the Western world (or
> at least an English-speaking country) has never heard of them.
reply to me.
I now know the word does not refer solely to (1) those hard little
things that get trapped in one's shoes and impact negatively upon one's
walking, or (2 - Shakespearian) one's testicles.
No. His "Stones" are, it seems, another of these "Group" things... very
curious.
David Fox
May 21, 2013, 7:40:18 PM5/21/13
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since Morrison died, would disagree with you. If Mick Jagger had died
at Altamont, it would not have been the best thing that ever happened to
him, the band, their fans, or anybody for that matter.
You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's content,
but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your tastes into any
type of global pronouncement of quality. There are millions of Doors
fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more added to their ranks
every passing generation. There are also many out there who feel the
same way about our moldy/oldy music, and they are as wrong as you are.
Ray Manzarek was an incredible musician - one of the half-dozen most
influential and creative keyboard players in Rock. You just don't
happen to like his music. There's no reason to confuse those two issues.
DF
boombox
May 21, 2013, 8:13:50 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 7:40 pm, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
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> > In article <b01v2oFvn...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
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very brightly for a very short period of time. As someone alluded to,
they were a highly theatrical act, predicated on Jim Morrison's dark
persona and wild, sophomoric poetry, which was somehow balanced by a
very solid trio of instrumentalists. Both guitarist Robby Krieger and
drummer John Densmore were good technicians with jazz chops, and
Manzarek was the quiet group music director behind the charismatic and
uneven Morrison. In 1967-68 they were brilliant, by 1969-70 they were
losing it and by 1971 Morrison was dead.
Roland van Gaalen
May 21, 2013, 8:27:34 PM5/21/13
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:13:50 AM UTC+2, boombox wrote:
> The Doors were a great example of a sad rock paradigm. They burned
> very brightly for a very short period of time.
A 'sad rock paradigm'?
> The Doors were a great example of a sad rock paradigm. They burned
> very brightly for a very short period of time.
Most people aren't stars and don't ever 'burn very brightly', even for a very short period of time.
Roland van Gaalen
Cape Town
boombox
May 21, 2013, 8:34:28 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 8:27 pm, Roland van Gaalen <rolandvangaa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's the burning out quickly that's paradigmatic. Not the only rock
paradigm, but a classic model.
wrote:
paradigm, but a classic model.
David Fox
May 21, 2013, 9:05:17 PM5/21/13
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considered to be among their best if not the best?
DF
boombox
May 21, 2013, 9:20:13 PM5/21/13
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was a mess from drugs and alcohol and the group made what most people
consider their two worst albums, "Waiting for the Sun" and "Soft
Parade." The following "Morrison Hotel" was considered a bit of a
comeback and "LA Woman" did indeed seem like a return to form. But
within a few months, Morrison died in Paris.
Herman
May 21, 2013, 9:33:05 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:43:41 PM UTC+2, John Wiser wrote:
> "Herman" wrote in message
as you know it's called pop music, at which the Doors were wildly successful.
You don't have to like it, I don't, but that doesn't change the facts.
> "Herman" wrote in message
You don't have to like it, I don't, but that doesn't change the facts.
Mark S
May 21, 2013, 9:40:02 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 3:23 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
wrote:
> > Here's a challenge to you and the other posters. Try the "Great Choral
> > Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> > and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> > But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> > quick with your answers.
>
> It wasn't too hard. Neither was it wholly trivial. I got 23/25 on choral.
That was way too easy. 25/25 for moi.
> > Music" and "The Renaissance Madrigal" quizzes on the following site
> > and post your scores. I'll go first -- my scores were 24/25 and 21/25.
> > But be warned, there's a clock counting down so you must be pretty
> > quick with your answers.
>
> It wasn't too hard. Neither was it wholly trivial. I got 23/25 on choral.
Herman
May 21, 2013, 9:40:33 PM5/21/13
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:40:18 AM UTC+2, David Fox wrote:
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
>
> > In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
>
> > <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
>
> >>> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
>
> >>
>
> >> Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
>
> >> insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
>
> >> Musician he weren't.
>
> >
>
> > The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
>
> > leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
>
> > since then.
>
> >
>
> > -Owen
>
> >
>
>
>
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
>
> > In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
>
> > <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
>
> >>> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
>
> >>
>
> >> Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
>
> >> insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
>
> >> Musician he weren't.
>
> >
>
> > The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
>
> > leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
>
> > since then.
>
> >
>
> > -Owen
>
> >
>
>
>
Tassilo
May 21, 2013, 11:58:38 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:00:10 PM UTC-4, whiskynsplash wrote:
> Are physics, chemistry and biology not taught in American High schools
> any longer? Just saw a woman announce confidently that ozone was CO2
> not O3. How can the populance vote intelligently on issues such as the
> hole in the ozone layer or global warning without knowing the basics?
Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus maximus the other day that there ain’t no global warming, and that’s good enough for me. These scientists are just liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
> Are physics, chemistry and biology not taught in American High schools
> any longer? Just saw a woman announce confidently that ozone was CO2
> not O3. How can the populance vote intelligently on issues such as the
> hole in the ozone layer or global warning without knowing the basics?
-dg
Oscar
May 22, 2013, 1:52:38 AM5/22/13
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On May 21, 8:58 pm, Tassilo wrote:
>
> Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus
> maximus the other day that there ain’t no global warming,
> and that’s good enough for me. These scientists are just
> liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
Gluteus Maximus is my second-favorite Roman celebrity, behind Caligula
>
> Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus
> maximus the other day that there ain’t no global warming,
> and that’s good enough for me. These scientists are just
> liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
and above Nero.
Kip Williams
May 22, 2013, 8:00:54 AM5/22/13
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John Wiser wrote, On 5/21/13 5:43 PM:
I'll guess money was involved.
Kip W
Kip W
John Wiser
May 22, 2013, 8:47:08 AM5/22/13
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"Kip Williams" <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Ur2nt.11865$Ve3....@newsfe12.iad...
Oh, right. Forgot about that.
jdw.
jdw.
O
May 22, 2013, 9:32:02 AM5/22/13
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In article <Y8GdnbWpgoJ1mAHM...@giganews.com>, David Fox
> but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your tastes into any
> type of global pronouncement of quality. There are millions of Doors
> fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more added to their ranks
> every passing generation. There are also many out there who feel the
> same way about our moldy/oldy music, and they are as wrong as you are.
The Doors would have stumbled from one bad drug arrest to the next,
with their skills slowly being sucked up by their addictions. He died
at the apex of their career, the rest would have been downhill.
quality, rather than career success.
-Owen
<davidf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
> > In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
> > <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
> >>> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
> >>
> >> Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
> >> insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
> >> Musician he weren't.
> >
> > The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
> > leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
> > since then.
> >
> > -Owen
> >
>
> The Rolling Stones, who've been performing steadily for the 40+ years
> since Morrison died, would disagree with you. If Mick Jagger had died
> at Altamont, it would not have been the best thing that ever happened to
> him, the band, their fans, or anybody for that matter.
>
> You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's content,
Who said I disliked them?
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
> > In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
> > <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
> >>> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
> >>
> >> Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
> >> insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
> >> Musician he weren't.
> >
> > The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
> > leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
> > since then.
> >
> > -Owen
> >
>
> The Rolling Stones, who've been performing steadily for the 40+ years
> since Morrison died, would disagree with you. If Mick Jagger had died
> at Altamont, it would not have been the best thing that ever happened to
> him, the band, their fans, or anybody for that matter.
>
> You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's content,
> but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your tastes into any
> type of global pronouncement of quality. There are millions of Doors
> fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more added to their ranks
> every passing generation. There are also many out there who feel the
> same way about our moldy/oldy music, and they are as wrong as you are.
with their skills slowly being sucked up by their addictions. He died
at the apex of their career, the rest would have been downhill.
>
> Ray Manzarek was an incredible musician - one of the half-dozen most
> influential and creative keyboard players in Rock. You just don't
> happen to like his music. There's no reason to confuse those two issues.
You just have happened to confuse my statement as one about musical
> Ray Manzarek was an incredible musician - one of the half-dozen most
> influential and creative keyboard players in Rock. You just don't
> happen to like his music. There's no reason to confuse those two issues.
quality, rather than career success.
-Owen
JohnGavin
May 22, 2013, 10:13:38 AM5/22/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:40:18 PM UTC-4, David Fox wrote:
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
>
> > In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
>
> > <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
>
> >>> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
>
> >>
>
> >> Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
>
> >> insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
>
> >> Musician he weren't.
>
> >
>
> > The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
>
> > leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
>
> > since then.
>
> >
>
> > -Owen
>
> >
>
>
>
> The Rolling Stones, who've been performing steadily for the 40+ years
>
> since Morrison died, would disagree with you. If Mick Jagger had died
>
> at Altamont, it would not have been the best thing that ever happened to
>
> him, the band, their fans, or anybody for that matter.
>
>
>
> You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's content,
>
> but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your tastes into any
>
> type of global pronouncement of quality. There are millions of Doors
>
> fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more added to their ranks
>
> every passing generation. There are also many out there who feel the
>
> same way about our moldy/oldy music, and they are as wrong as you are.
>
>
> DF
> On 5/21/13 2:18 PM, O wrote:
>
> > In article <b01v2o...@mid.individual.net>, Christopher Webber
>
> > <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 21/05/2013 19:59, Herman wrote:
>
> >>> but this keyboardist just happened to be quite talented and versatile.
>
> >>
>
> >> Merely going on what I was subjected to this morning: I don't mean to
>
> >> insult the man's memory. I'm sure he was a good man, husband and father.
>
> >> Musician he weren't.
>
> >
>
> > The best thing that happened to the career of the Doors is when their
>
> > leader, Jim Morrison, died of a drug overdose -- they've been lionized
>
> > since then.
>
> >
>
> > -Owen
>
> >
>
>
>
> The Rolling Stones, who've been performing steadily for the 40+ years
>
> since Morrison died, would disagree with you. If Mick Jagger had died
>
> at Altamont, it would not have been the best thing that ever happened to
>
> him, the band, their fans, or anybody for that matter.
>
>
>
> You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's content,
>
> but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your tastes into any
>
> type of global pronouncement of quality. There are millions of Doors
>
> fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more added to their ranks
>
> every passing generation. There are also many out there who feel the
>
> same way about our moldy/oldy music, and they are as wrong as you are.
>
>
The point might be that a great deal of "our oldy music" is not moldy at all - that is proof of its greatness.
Bach and Scarlatti, for example, sound totally fresh 300 years after they composed their music.
Will the Doors be as relevant in 300 years??
O
May 22, 2013, 10:18:53 AM5/22/13
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In article <d08e55d8-adea-419a...@googlegroups.com>,
-Owen, maybe in your Barbershop Quartet they are...
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The point might be that a great deal of "our oldy music" is not moldy at all
> - that is proof of its greatness.
> Bach and Scarlatti, for example, sound totally fresh 300 years after they composed their music.
>
> Will the Doors be as relevant in 300 years??
>
Are they still singing "After the Ball Was Over?"
>
> The point might be that a great deal of "our oldy music" is not moldy at all
> - that is proof of its greatness.
> Bach and Scarlatti, for example, sound totally fresh 300 years after they composed their music.
>
> Will the Doors be as relevant in 300 years??
>
-Owen, maybe in your Barbershop Quartet they are...
William Sommerwerck
May 22, 2013, 10:55:39 AM5/22/13
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"JohnGavin" wrote in message
news:d08e55d8-adea-419a...@googlegroups.com...
As a classical snob, let me play devil's advocate...
Who knows what will be popular in 300 years? Until (roughly) Mendelssohn's
time, there was no particular tradition of performing music by dead composers.
Bach had largely been forgotten, and when thought of, was thought of as
old-fashioned. People wanted "new" music.
One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because people /say/
it's great. If people didn't think it was great, they would (probably) not be
able to hear those qualities that make it appealing. ("Appealing" seems a more
value-neutral term than "great".) The same is true of jazz. People still
listen to 90-year-old jazz recordings, because they are considered
significant, meaningful music.
If Ray Manzarek's music is held up as a model of "great" music, it's likely
people will continue to listen to it, and those who like will express surprise
at the lack of appreciation of those who are indifferent to it.
Tastes vary. In browsing old issues of "High Fidelity", * I found an article
by Dana Andrews. He loved Romantic music, but simply could not enjoy Classical
music -- not Haydn, not Beethoven, not even Mozart! This seems beyond
comprehension.
I could say more, but will stop at this point. Let's have some fun discussing
this further.
* The browsing is fascinating and addictive. The names of most conductors and
performers -- even from 50+ years ago -- are immediately recognizable. The
most-conspicuously absent composer is... yes, Mahler. Several of this group's
contributors have confirmed that Mahler's works were commonly performed in
Europe in the first half of the 20th century. It is my contention that
Mahler's popularity on phonograph records dates from the introduction of the
LP -- and far more importantly, the stereo LP (as, it seems to me, Mahler is
most appealing in stereo). I want to see if there's a meaningful uptick in
popularity circa 1960, when most classical listeners had converted to stereo.
news:d08e55d8-adea-419a...@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:40:18 PM UTC-4, David Fox wrote:
>> You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's
>> content, but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your
>> tastes into any type of global pronouncement of quality. There are
>> millions of Doors fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more
>> added to their ranks every passing generation. There are also many
>> out there who feel the same way about our moldy/oldy music, and
>> they are as wrong as you are.
>> You have the perfect right to dislike The Doors to your heart's
>> content, but that doesn't mean that you should extrapolate your
>> tastes into any type of global pronouncement of quality. There are
>> millions of Doors fans spanning almost 50 years, with millions more
>> added to their ranks every passing generation. There are also many
>> out there who feel the same way about our moldy/oldy music, and
>> they are as wrong as you are.
> The point might be that a great deal of "our oldy music" is not moldy
> at all -- that is proof of its greatness. Bach and Scarlatti, for example,
> sound totally fresh 300 years after they composed their music.
> Will the Doors be as relevant in 300 years???
As a classical snob, let me play devil's advocate...
Who knows what will be popular in 300 years? Until (roughly) Mendelssohn's
time, there was no particular tradition of performing music by dead composers.
Bach had largely been forgotten, and when thought of, was thought of as
old-fashioned. People wanted "new" music.
One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because people /say/
it's great. If people didn't think it was great, they would (probably) not be
able to hear those qualities that make it appealing. ("Appealing" seems a more
value-neutral term than "great".) The same is true of jazz. People still
listen to 90-year-old jazz recordings, because they are considered
significant, meaningful music.
If Ray Manzarek's music is held up as a model of "great" music, it's likely
people will continue to listen to it, and those who like will express surprise
at the lack of appreciation of those who are indifferent to it.
Tastes vary. In browsing old issues of "High Fidelity", * I found an article
by Dana Andrews. He loved Romantic music, but simply could not enjoy Classical
music -- not Haydn, not Beethoven, not even Mozart! This seems beyond
comprehension.
I could say more, but will stop at this point. Let's have some fun discussing
this further.
* The browsing is fascinating and addictive. The names of most conductors and
performers -- even from 50+ years ago -- are immediately recognizable. The
most-conspicuously absent composer is... yes, Mahler. Several of this group's
contributors have confirmed that Mahler's works were commonly performed in
Europe in the first half of the 20th century. It is my contention that
Mahler's popularity on phonograph records dates from the introduction of the
LP -- and far more importantly, the stereo LP (as, it seems to me, Mahler is
most appealing in stereo). I want to see if there's a meaningful uptick in
popularity circa 1960, when most classical listeners had converted to stereo.
Christopher Webber
May 22, 2013, 11:59:18 AM5/22/13
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On 22/05/2013 15:55, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because people
> /say/ it's great. If people didn't think it was great, they would
> (probably) not be able to hear those qualities that make it appealing.
What a depressing picture you paint of human suggestibility. I think
> One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because people
> /say/ it's great. If people didn't think it was great, they would
> (probably) not be able to hear those qualities that make it appealing.
there is something in what you say, though - which is why some of us
consciously try to avoid talking about "great music", "the great
composers" and all that sort of guff.
Music lasts for a variety of reasons, not all of them "pure". The same's
true of words: I think you might very well say exactly the same thing
about Shakespeare as you are saying about Beethoven or Mozart. And yet,
in all three cases, there can be *something* which pierces through
ignorance and suggestibility alike to touch a person deeply.
And although it's idle idealism to pretend that *some* sort of
pre-knowledge isn't necessary to get this experience from "Hamlet", "Don
Giovanni" or whatever (as how could it not be? innocent ears and eyes
are an impossibility here) when this *something* hits, suggestibility
and homework fall away, leaving us with *something* we can never forget.
Roland van Gaalen
May 22, 2013, 12:01:07 PM5/22/13
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Lots of catchy tunes as well as quite a few very beautiful ones in pop music
Christopher Webber
May 22, 2013, 12:08:13 PM5/22/13
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On 22/05/2013 17:01, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
> Lots of catchy tunes as well as quite a few very beautiful ones in pop music
"Danse Macabre" is a catchy and beautiful tune, but one might still want
> Lots of catchy tunes as well as quite a few very beautiful ones in pop music
to criticize a bad performance of it by a Grade 1 violinist without the
technique or taste to do it justice.
Roland van Gaalen
May 22, 2013, 12:21:23 PM5/22/13
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Gerard
May 22, 2013, 1:24:34 PM5/22/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
found this "wisdom".
(It was only last week when you denied the existence of great music!)
>
> One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because
> people /say/ it's great.
Like with many of your "provoking" statements, I'm wondering where you have
> One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because
> people /say/ it's great.
found this "wisdom".
(It was only last week when you denied the existence of great music!)
William Sommerwerck
May 22, 2013, 2:00:42 PM5/22/13
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"Christopher Webber" wrote in message
news:b048am...@mid.individual.net...
considered inferior to his contemporaries. Even GBS disliked his work.
> And although it's idle idealism to pretend that *some* sort of pre-
> knowledge isn't necessary to get this experience from "Hamlet", "Don
> Giovanni" or whatever (as how could it not be? innocent ears and eyes
> are an impossibility here) when this *something* hits, suggestibility
> and homework fall away, leaving us with *something* we can never forget.
Remember, I was playing devil's advocate to encourage a bit of thought. I
broadly agree with you -- what is perceived as good or bad is, to a large
degree, independent of -- I don't know the right term -- social conditioning?
news:b048am...@mid.individual.net...
On 22/05/2013 15:55, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because
>> people /say/ it's great. If people didn't think it was great, they would
>> (probably) not be able to hear those qualities that make it appealing.
> What a depressing picture you paint of human suggestibility. I think
> there is something in what you say, though - which is why some of us
> consciously try to avoid talking about "great music", "the great
> composers" and all that sort of guff.
> Music lasts for a variety of reasons, not all of them "pure". The same's
> true of words: I think you might very well say exactly the same thing
> about Shakespeare as you are saying about Beethoven or Mozart. And
> yet, in all three cases, there can be *something* which pierces through
> ignorance and suggestibility alike to touch a person deeply.
In fact, Shakespeare was deprecated for some time after his death. He was
>> One of the reasons classical music is considered great is because
>> people /say/ it's great. If people didn't think it was great, they would
>> (probably) not be able to hear those qualities that make it appealing.
> What a depressing picture you paint of human suggestibility. I think
> there is something in what you say, though - which is why some of us
> consciously try to avoid talking about "great music", "the great
> composers" and all that sort of guff.
> Music lasts for a variety of reasons, not all of them "pure". The same's
> true of words: I think you might very well say exactly the same thing
> about Shakespeare as you are saying about Beethoven or Mozart. And
> yet, in all three cases, there can be *something* which pierces through
> ignorance and suggestibility alike to touch a person deeply.
considered inferior to his contemporaries. Even GBS disliked his work.
> And although it's idle idealism to pretend that *some* sort of pre-
> knowledge isn't necessary to get this experience from "Hamlet", "Don
> Giovanni" or whatever (as how could it not be? innocent ears and eyes
> are an impossibility here) when this *something* hits, suggestibility
> and homework fall away, leaving us with *something* we can never forget.
broadly agree with you -- what is perceived as good or bad is, to a large
degree, independent of -- I don't know the right term -- social conditioning?
Christopher Webber
May 22, 2013, 3:17:31 PM5/22/13
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On 22/05/2013 19:00, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> In fact, Shakespeare was deprecated for some time after his death. He
> was considered inferior to his contemporaries. Even GBS disliked his work.
You're right about what Shaw said. But he didn't mean it. He was being
> In fact, Shakespeare was deprecated for some time after his death. He
> was considered inferior to his contemporaries. Even GBS disliked his work.
provocative. Anyone who reads his own plays will quickly see how much he
really owed to Shakespeare. And he quoted him all the time!
But it is a myth to think that WS was *ever* deprecated - read what even
Ben Jonson said about him after his death, and how Milton praises him in
his poetry. At the time, and during the following century, most people
who mattered knew he'd been the best there was, and perhaps had ever
been. Look at the adaptations of his work made after the Restoration by
Shadwell, Dryden, Tate et. al. No other Elizabethan/Jacobean playwright
was revived so regularly in the 17th and early 18th century.
The 'deprecation myth' was touted by the 18th century and early 19th
century critics who started the Shakespeare Cult, and wanted to make him
seem to be *their* rediscovery.
He was never considered inferior to any of his contemporaries, except by
the "Tribe of Ben", who considered Jonson was the tops! If you think
Shakespeare got neglected, compare his 17th-18th c. track record against
Webster, Massinger, Marston or Middleton (all top notch in their way,
but only properly re-evaluated in our own time). Only Beaumont and
Fletcher came anywhere near the Bard of Avon in posthumous popularity,
and their star has faded.
MiNe 109
May 23, 2013, 9:07:46 AM5/23/13
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> The point might be that a great deal of "our oldy music" is not moldy at all
> - that is proof of its greatness.
> Bach and Scarlatti, for example, sound totally fresh 300 years after they
> composed their music.
>
> Will the Doors be as relevant in 300 years??
Yes.
> - that is proof of its greatness.
> Bach and Scarlatti, for example, sound totally fresh 300 years after they
> composed their music.
>
> Will the Doors be as relevant in 300 years??
Frank Berger
May 23, 2013, 9:23:13 AM5/23/13
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or the Doors, I wonder? Not that that would necessarily be a good measure
of "relevance."
JohnGavin
May 23, 2013, 9:58:45 AM5/23/13
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William Sommerwerck
May 23, 2013, 10:25:31 AM5/23/13
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"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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No. Only if people think they're relevant.
news:smcelroy2-26061...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com...
Gerard
May 23, 2013, 11:15:39 AM5/23/13
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William Sommerwerck
May 23, 2013, 12:25:01 PM5/23/13
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>> No. Only if people think they're relevant.
> What does this mean? Yes?
It means (as Hamlet said) "Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes
> What does this mean? Yes?
it so."
MiNe 109
May 23, 2013, 1:25:29 PM5/23/13
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In article <8fc05051-7043-4f36...@googlegroups.com>,
The Doors stand a chance of surviving 300 years, but your house probably
doesn't. :-)
Stephen
doesn't. :-)
Stephen
MiNe 109
May 23, 2013, 1:26:54 PM5/23/13
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In article <knl8l9$fcm$1...@dont-email.me>,
The question *is* about equivalent relevance! So the chances of them
remaining exactly as relevant is small.
Stephen
remaining exactly as relevant is small.
Stephen
Gerard
May 23, 2013, 2:03:23 PM5/23/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
That's quite meaningless actually.
(I don't think that that statement is good.)
(I don't think that that statement is good.)
Christopher Webber
May 23, 2013, 2:15:05 PM5/23/13
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On 23/05/2013 19:03, Gerard wrote:
>> It means (as Hamlet said) "Nothing is either good or bad, but
>> >thinking makes it so."
> That's quite meaningless actually.
> (I don't think that that statement is good.)
It's actually quite profound: but as with much in Shakespeare, "thinking
>> It means (as Hamlet said) "Nothing is either good or bad, but
>> >thinking makes it so."
> That's quite meaningless actually.
> (I don't think that that statement is good.)
makes it so".
He's talking about the way in which our moral sense grows, only when we
reflect on action - and he questions (as only a thinker can!) whether
that is a good thing or not.
David Fox
May 23, 2013, 3:23:46 PM5/23/13
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hell knows what will be relevant in 300 years? The safest bets are that
which has been relevant for the past 300 years and that leaves us with
Bach and at best a handful of others. Before an outraged Buxtehude fan
answers, I suppose it depends on how we qualify "relevant."
Will Boulez, Carter, Babbitt, Glass, Adams, etc remain relevant? In the
societal sense, were they ever relevant? Who knows? Does that mean we
can't call this group worthy composers? Does this label of relevancy
effect or change anything? There are those that revere them and there
are those who don't. Does the affixation of the "relevant" label matter
to either group?
Music and musicians resonate with people for whatever reason. One of
the major reasons popular music fell by the waste side was lack of
preservable media. Look at how much popular music from 1900-1920
essentially disappeared, and look how much from 1925 onward has retained
a foothold: Louis Armstrong, Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, all the way
through to Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix,
The Doors, and countless others. Judging from the history of the past
90 or so years, it is clear that recorded media has and will continue to
provide truly exceptional popular music with staying power.
On a side note - I've played all sorts of music for my children and
other people's children over the years. The popular musician who
consistently breaks through the multigenerational fog is not The
Beatles, The Rolling Stones, or the Doors....it's Jimi Hendrix. Kids
get the same bug-eyed expression listening to him for the first time
that I did when I was five, and they demand to hear more.
DF
Matthew B. Tepper
May 27, 2013, 2:55:57 AM5/27/13
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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> appears to have caused
the following letters to be typed in news:kngla5$1gt$1...@dont-email.me:
>> just heard that the pianist for the group 'Doors' just died...
>> I never head of them either... so why should you be surprised?
>
> I don't listen to the Doors and have never purchased one of their
> albums. But it's hard to believe someone living in the Western world (or
> at least an English-speaking country) has never heard of them.
I had indeed heard of Ray Manzarek, but that's because he was a client of the
CPA firm I used to work for. I probably passed him in the hallway a couple
of times without knowing who he was.
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the following letters to be typed in news:kngla5$1gt$1...@dont-email.me:
>> just heard that the pianist for the group 'Doors' just died...
>> I never head of them either... so why should you be surprised?
>
> I don't listen to the Doors and have never purchased one of their
> albums. But it's hard to believe someone living in the Western world (or
> at least an English-speaking country) has never heard of them.
I had indeed heard of Ray Manzarek, but that's because he was a client of the
CPA firm I used to work for. I probably passed him in the hallway a couple
of times without knowing who he was.
--
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Matthew B. Tepper
May 27, 2013, 2:55:59 AM5/27/13
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Oscar <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:b248b44b-a53f-4841-9707-e5e598903171
@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
> On May 21, 8:58 pm, Tassilo wrote:
>>
>> Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus maximus the
>> other day that there ain’t no global warming, and that’s good enough for
>> me. These scientists are just liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
>
> Gluteus Maximus is my second-favorite Roman celebrity, behind Caligula
> and above Nero.
What about Biggus Dickus?
letters to be typed in news:b248b44b-a53f-4841-9707-e5e598903171
@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
> On May 21, 8:58 pm, Tassilo wrote:
>>
>> Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus maximus the
>> other day that there ain’t no global warming, and that’s good enough for
>> me. These scientists are just liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
>
> Gluteus Maximus is my second-favorite Roman celebrity, behind Caligula
> and above Nero.
What about Biggus Dickus?
Herman
May 27, 2013, 3:17:24 AM5/27/13
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On Monday, May 27, 2013 8:55:57 AM UTC+2, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> I had indeed heard of Ray Manzarek, but that's because he was a client of the
>
> CPA firm I used to work for. I probably passed him in the hallway a couple
>
> of times without knowing who he was.
>
You're so amazingly important...
> I had indeed heard of Ray Manzarek, but that's because he was a client of the
>
> CPA firm I used to work for. I probably passed him in the hallway a couple
>
> of times without knowing who he was.
>
John Wiser
May 27, 2013, 6:57:40 AM5/27/13
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"Herman" <her...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That's *self*-important, Herman. He's so amazing
he can make you lose your language.
jdw
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he can make you lose your language.
jdw
John Wiser
May 27, 2013, 6:58:44 AM5/27/13
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"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
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jdw
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> Oscar <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:b248b44b-a53f-4841-9707-e5e598903171
> @hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On May 21, 8:58 pm, Tassilo wrote:
>>>
>>> Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus maximus the
>>> other day that there ain't no global warming, and that's good enough for
>>> me. These scientists are just liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
>>
>> Gluteus Maximus is my second-favorite Roman celebrity, behind Caligula
>> and above Nero.
>
> What about Biggus Dickus?
>
Blinding wit - in eighth grade.
> letters to be typed in news:b248b44b-a53f-4841-9707-e5e598903171
> @hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On May 21, 8:58 pm, Tassilo wrote:
>>>
>>> Listen here, Buster, Sarah Palin just swore on her gluteus maximus the
>>> other day that there ain't no global warming, and that's good enough for
>>> me. These scientists are just liberals trying to destroy our way of life.
>>
>> Gluteus Maximus is my second-favorite Roman celebrity, behind Caligula
>> and above Nero.
>
> What about Biggus Dickus?
>
jdw
William Sommerwerck
May 27, 2013, 8:09:07 AM5/27/13
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>> What about Biggus Dickus?
> Blinding wit -- in eighth grade.
It's from a Python sketch.
> Blinding wit -- in eighth grade.
It's from a Python sketch.
John Wiser
May 27, 2013, 8:32:11 AM5/27/13
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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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jdw
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>>> What about Biggus Dickus?
>
>> Blinding wit -- in eighth grade.
>
> It's from a Python sketch.
>
It is what it is.
>
>> Blinding wit -- in eighth grade.
>
> It's from a Python sketch.
>
jdw
Gerard
May 27, 2013, 11:23:24 AM5/27/13
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Roland van Gaalen
May 27, 2013, 4:38:43 PM5/27/13
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Matthew B. Tepper
May 27, 2013, 5:18:39 PM5/27/13
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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in news:knvi59$ks0$1...@dont-email.me:
>>> What about Biggus Dickus?
>
>> Blinding wit -- in eighth grade.
>
> It's from a Python sketch.
Actually, a theatrical movie, which has probably been seen by every person in
the civilized world who has a sense of humor.
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>>> What about Biggus Dickus?
>
>> Blinding wit -- in eighth grade.
>
> It's from a Python sketch.
the civilized world who has a sense of humor.
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