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Dave Hurwitz - His take on Mahler's 2nd

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sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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Jun 30, 2020, 10:17:15 AM6/30/20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDCzOs6BqU

Good evaluation here.

MIFrost

Alex Brown

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Jun 30, 2020, 11:35:00 AM6/30/20
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Not much to disagree with there, though me me his final choice is more
B++ than A class, and I think Tennstedt's 1989 live recording (my
favourite as discussed here recently) tops even his studio recording by
some margin.

Unfortunately, having burnt out on M2 in my youth it's not a piece I can
listen to much. I haven't listened to a recording for over two years.
Was meant to be attending a performance during the Mahler Festival in
the Concertgebouw this May, but then coronavirus happened :-(

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wkasimer

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Jun 30, 2020, 11:43:48 AM6/30/20
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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC-4, Alex Brown wrote:

> Not much to disagree with there, though me me his final choice is more
> B++ than A class,

And I would warn anyone that Hurwitz's top choice - Ivan Fischer on Channel - has a very wide dynamic range, so it's not going to be for everyone.

sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC-4, Alex Brown wrote:
> On 2020-06-30 15:17, sfr...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDCzOs6BqU
> >
> > Good evaluation here.
> >
> > MIFrost
> >
>
> Not much to disagree with there, though me me his final choice is more
> B++ than A class, and I think Tennstedt's 1989 live recording (my
> favourite as discussed here recently) tops even his studio recording by
> some margin.
>
Is this the one you like? Your favourite?

https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-2-Resurrection/dp/B00361DRBY

MIFrost

Alex Brown

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Jun 30, 2020, 12:41:29 PM6/30/20
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On 2020-06-30 17:18, sfr...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

> Is this the one you like? Your favourite?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-2-Resurrection/dp/B00361DRBY

Yes!

msw design

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Jun 30, 2020, 1:56:21 PM6/30/20
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To my mind the sleepers are sleepy. Litton's Mahler 2 first movement is tame. Blomstedt's orchestral tone and conducting manner make the second movement sound like Brahms. I know he disdains Rattle, but I would fully expect his CBSO Mahler 2 to overpower either of these two. (I don't know Levi well.)

I generally like Fischer, but I find the phrasing irritating. I like all the rest of the picks better- Ozawa, Walter and Klemperer. Masterclass is Lenny 60s and either of Tennstedt's LPO ones, probably the earlier one.

msw design

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Jun 30, 2020, 1:57:33 PM6/30/20
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Jun 30, 2020, 3:46:51 PM6/30/20
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This was an entertaining and informative segment, but I was underwhelmed by his final choice of Fischer/Budapest. I have this recording and wasn't crazy about it all. Wasn't impressed at all with anything - Fischer's approach, the playing, the sound (it's a Hybrid SACD and admittedly I was only able to listen to it in 2-channel stereo), and to my ears the bells at the end were out of tune! This recording got rave reviews all around, but I was quite disappointed in this...

sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC-4, Alex Brown wrote:
> On 2020-06-30 15:17, sfr...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDCzOs6BqU
> >
> > Good evaluation here.
> >
> > MIFrost
> >
>
> Not much to disagree with there, though me me his final choice is more
> B++ than A class, and I think Tennstedt's 1989 live recording (my
> favourite as discussed here recently) tops even his studio recording by
> some margin.
> --
> - Alex Brown

Based on David's - and your - recommendation, I downloaded the Tennstedt and I find it absolutely wonderful. I'm glad you recommended it. I especially like how he plays the soft and tender passages. There's much to appreciate in this recording. I also just ordered the Bernstein on DG which I know I once owned many years ago and must have misplaced somewhere along the way. The M2 is a terrific work.

MIFrost

Frank Berger

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Jun 30, 2020, 6:54:58 PM6/30/20
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There is a Tennstedt Mahler 3 with the LPO recorded in 1986
that I have on two different labels - ICA and Memories. I
wonder why this is not included in the box.

msw design

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 5:54:58 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:

> There is a Tennstedt Mahler 3 with the LPO recorded in 1986
> that I have on two different labels - ICA and Memories. I
> wonder why this is not included in the box.

Gotta figure ICA paid something for it. They are above-board, after all.

m195...@gmail.com

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Jun 30, 2020, 10:46:52 PM6/30/20
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Why the obsession with bloviators like Hurwitz? Make your own mind up. There is no one best of anything.

Frank Berger

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Jul 1, 2020, 12:02:12 AM7/1/20
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A. No one is obsessed.
B. If there is no such thing as "best," how can I make up my
own mind about what is best? I can make up my own mind
about what I like, but I don't need your advice to do that,
do I?


gggg...@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 7:17:15 AM UTC-7, sfr...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
http://classicalnotes.net/classics/mahlersym2.html

Alex Brown

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Jul 1, 2020, 3:31:01 AM7/1/20
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To my surprise, I find Dave Hurwitz's channel really enjoyable, and have
subscribed. The long form is much better for him I think than the
written classicstoday reviews, which can come across as a bit testy or
dogmatic. Having a "baggier" video allows him to show where he's coming
from - and he obviously has has a lot of knowledge and loves music and
the whole businesss of recordings.

Of course, he has some bees in his bonnet and there's no point arguing
over taste (right?). But he's made me rethink some recordings I own and
got me seeking out new ones.

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Gerard

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Right. It is amusing, and he brings you to good recordings (if you did not
already have those).
In many cases he is not very subtle.
Anyhow he makes clear what his preference are ... and why. Then it is time
to disagree ;-)


wkasimer

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On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 12:02:12 AM UTC-4, Frank Berger wrote:

> > Why the obsession with bloviators like Hurwitz? Make your own mind up. There is no one best of anything.
> >
>
> A. No one is obsessed.
> B. If there is no such thing as "best," how can I make up my
> own mind about what is best? I can make up my own mind
> about what I like, but I don't need your advice to do that,
> do I?

C. I don't have time, or the inclination to listen to 50 recordings of Mahler's 2nd to figure out which is "best".

Owen

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Jul 1, 2020, 9:47:50 AM7/1/20
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Agreed. Had to listen to the Tennstedt twice because it is so good.

In fact, I heard it on spotify and ordered the CD because I wanted to
hear it in the best sound.

-Owen

Frank Berger

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Jul 1, 2020, 11:15:28 AM7/1/20
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Sometimes on Youtube I'll compare the first or last few
minutes of a work across 5 or 10 performances. In view of
the praise here for Tennstedt's Mahler 2nd (with which I
concur), I listened to the finale of his 1st and found it a
little tepid. I much preferred Bernstein's with the Vienna
PO. But then I only listened to each once and then only to
the end. Next time I might get a different impression.

Ricardo Jimenez

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Jul 1, 2020, 11:17:41 AM7/1/20
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I also don't value his "which is best performance" opinions. For me,
he has the same function as RMCR, suggesting items to add to my
Spotify list. For example, I had never heard before of Portuguese
composer Luís de Freitas Branco before Hurwitz recommended some Naxos
recordings of his orchestral music.

Alex Brown

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Jul 1, 2020, 11:32:39 AM7/1/20
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Interesting, Tennstedt's first Mahler 1 recording (1978 on EMI I think)
was a recording which (according to Richard Osborne) "fascinated"
Herbert von Karajan, and led him to ask for a meeting - "an invitation
which so thrilled and alarmed Tennstedt he was half drunk when he
arrived". The result was Tennstedt being invited to make recordings with
the Berlin PO.

Sadly, all those recordings fail to catch fire, at least to my ears.


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uof...@gmail.com

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Jul 1, 2020, 1:19:10 PM7/1/20
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How much money per week (do you guess) D. Hurwitz earns as a youtuber? Editor in Chief of ClassicsToday, and a tam tam enthusiast, is he a trained percussionist? If so, kind of sad that he's become a youtuber (regardless of the merit of his opinions).

msw design

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Jul 1, 2020, 1:45:44 PM7/1/20
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On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 10:32:39 AM UTC-5, Alex Brown wrote:

> Sadly, all those recordings fail to catch fire, at least to my ears.
> - Alex Brown

At least some of the live performances on Testament are the opposite. Generally, every one I've heard has been excellent.

Alex Brown

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On 2020-07-01 18:45, msw design wrote:

> At least some of the live performances on Testament are the opposite. Generally, every one I've heard has been excellent.
>

Ooh - I hadn't registered the existence of those. And I see there a
"Tennstedt Edition" of 8 CDs on Profile, featuring recordings with
various other German orchestras.

My wishlist grows ...

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Owen

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Jul 1, 2020, 2:06:03 PM7/1/20
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Tennstedt's recordings run the gamut from absolutely thrilling to tepid.
He seemed to be studio microphone shy, as his best work is in his live
recordings, many, like the 1989 Mahler 2, are masterpieces of performance.

-Owen

msw design

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Jul 1, 2020, 2:56:25 PM7/1/20
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I thought Tennstedt was a blind spot for me until I found the right live recordings. Then you recognize the guy was a genius. The Ptofil Eroica is top notch, with a funeral march that is steady, unrelenting and far more impactful than most. That movement is the weak spot for me - a performance that grabs your attention in the funeral march is something special. (Walter's mono recording also comes to mind).

sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 1:19:10 PM UTC-4, uof...@gmail.com wrote:
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> How much money per week (do you guess) D. Hurwitz earns as a youtuber? Editor in Chief of ClassicsToday, and a tam tam enthusiast, is he a trained percussionist? If so, kind of sad that he's become a youtuber (regardless of the merit of his opinions).

Is there a disgrace in being identified as a "youtuber" -- whatever that is? His opinions count as much as anyone's and he seems to know a lot. His income is of no concern to me.

MIFrost

vih...@protonmail.com

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On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, msw design wrote:

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> I thought Tennstedt was a blind spot for me until I found the right live recordings. Then you recognize the guy was a genius. The Ptofil Eroica is top notch, with a funeral march that is steady, unrelenting and far more impactful than most. That movement is the weak spot for me - a performance that grabs your attention in the funeral march is something special. (Walter's mono recording also comes to mind).

Thanks for mentioning his Eroica- I have only heard Tennstedt's studio Mahler, and think I'll have
to get this disc.

C.

Mr. Mike

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:19:06 -0700 (PDT), uof...@gmail.com wrote:

>How much money per week (do you guess) D. Hurwitz earns as a youtuber?

He won't make any money unless someone wants to see the ads on his
videos.

Frank Berger

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I don't know. How much do you make?

earb...@gmail.com

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What does having a YouTube channel have to do with anything? It's an excellent way to get followers and certainly does not denigrate one's craft. Or perhaps you are jealous?

msw design

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Get it in the box- 8 CDs for $30? What a bargain. People want half that just for the Eroica as a single CD.

https://www.amazon.com/Klaus-Tennstedt-Various-Artists/dp/B074KWGRFV/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1593639923&sr=8-2

msw design

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On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 3:33:55 PM UTC-5, earb...@gmail.com wrote:
> What does having a YouTube channel have to do with anything? It's an excellent way to get followers and certainly does not denigrate one's craft. Or perhaps you are jealous?

I love how someone commented that Dave reminded them of Uncle Fester and Dave replied that the comment delighted him. Dave's got some fizz that didn't show up in print.

vih...@protonmail.com

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Jul 1, 2020, 6:06:39 PM7/1/20
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I might, but I have too many CDs already.. other memorable performances in that set?

Bob Harper

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Jul 1, 2020, 6:39:19 PM7/1/20
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The LPO 1st or the Chicago live 1st? I don't find it tepid at all.

Bob Harper

Frank Berger

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Chicago. As I said, I only compared that last few minutes
with Bernstein's Vienna recordings. The Chicago brass
sounded great. Seemed like the Bernstein ending was more
emotional, more dramatic.

Gerard

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC-4, Alex Brown wrote:
> On 2020-06-30 15:17, sfr...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDCzOs6BqU
> >
> > Good evaluation here.
> >
> > MIFrost
> >
>
> Not much to disagree with there, though me me his final choice is more
> B++ than A class, and I think Tennstedt's 1989 live recording (my
> favourite as discussed here recently) tops even his studio recording by
> some margin.
> --
> - Alex Brown

Based on David's - and your - recommendation, I downloaded the Tennstedt and
I find it absolutely wonderful. I'm glad you recommended it. I especially
like how he plays the soft and tender passages. There's much to appreciate
in this recording. I also just ordered the Bernstein on DG which I know I
once owned many years ago and must have misplaced somewhere along the way.
The M2 is a terrific work.

MIFrost
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IIRC David mentioned only the studio recording by Tennstedt (Warner / EMI -
he showed the box of the complete cycle). Not the live recording, with so
many admirers here.
I have that EMI box, and as far a I remember that studio recording of
symphony 2 was not remarkable at all, and it seems to me easily to top.
Is the live recording really different and (more) worth investigating?


sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 5:04:26 AM UTC-4, Gerard wrote:
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> IIRC David mentioned only the studio recording by Tennstedt (Warner / EMI -
> he showed the box of the complete cycle). Not the live recording, with so
> many admirers here.
> I have that EMI box, and as far a I remember that studio recording of
> symphony 2 was not remarkable at all, and it seems to me easily to top.
> Is the live recording really different and (more) worth investigating?

It appears you are correct. However, if you look up the live recording on his web site, ClassicsToday, you will find that he gives this live recording a 10 and refers to it as a reference recording. So maybe he likes them equally?

MIFrost

Gerard

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That is possible. But if it is hardly better than - or equal to - the studio
recording, I'll pass this one.
In another thread I got the impression that the live recording is much,
much, much better. That looked like something diffferent than 'equally'.


Owen

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In the comments under his youtube video, he replies that he does like
them equally, although personally, I think the live recording is better.

-Owen

Gerard

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Better by a small margin?


Alex Brown

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I quite like the studio recording but - as with many of that EMI cycle -
there's a feeling of "here we are in Kingsway Hall making a recording".

The 1989 live one has the special frisson of a real, red hot,
performance - perhaps as much as any recording has that frisson IMO.

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sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 11:18:09 AM UTC-4, Gerard wrote:
> "Owen" wrote in message
>
> In the comments under his youtube video, he replies that he does like
> them equally, although personally, I think the live recording is better.
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> Better by a small margin?

Now aren't you just the least bit curious to find out yourself? :-)

MIFrost

msw design

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David is grading these using a metric that isn't my own. The live performances struck me as special. See if you can sample one.

Gerard

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Is it this recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsn4SrnFxUw ?
I has to be ;-)

I will give it a full listen of course ;-)
The first minutes are very promising. The sound is a lot better than that of
the studio recording.



msw design

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On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 11:45:27 AM UTC-5, Gerard wrote:

> Is it this recording:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsn4SrnFxUw ?
> I has to be ;-)
>
> I will give it a full listen of course ;-)
> The first minutes are very promising. The sound is a lot better than that of
> the studio recording.

That's the later one. And it is really fine.

I just compared the first movements from '81, '89 and studio, which was done several days after the '81 live performance. The studio recording sounds soft-edged and aurally dead. Admittedly, the mics are closer in the two live performances, but each has an edge that just isn't in the studio performance. I like the '89 performance- the sound is better than '81 by a bit, but the '81 first movement is fire and embers like almost none I've heard. When things aren't blazing, the phrasing is an aftermath of ruins and advancing darkness.

Unfortunately, this one is not on YouTube. And BTW, I don't think his NDR 2, which I have on Memories, and which is also on YouTube, is an equal to these. Wrong orchestra for brutality.

Gerard

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I agree about the sound of the studio one. Aurally dead. Very low volume,
very low dynamics.

I am a little confused now.
The live recording everybody is talking about with so much admiration is the
1989 recording isn't it?
This one:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2010/May10/Mahler2_LPO0044.htm
I am sure that in a previous recent thread this one was the strongly
recommended one.

(BTW that review is waaaayyy too long, too detailed. Not to the point.
Interesting statement there: "If, based on his studio cycle for EMI, you’re
allergic to Tennstedt’s approach then this Resurrection Symphony performance
is definitely not for you.")

But the 1981 one is this:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symphonies-Tennstedt-Philharmonic-Orchestra/dp/B013F9YDP0/
in a box only? I did not find

HOWEVER.
I've ordered now Klemperer's recording .... of symphony 4 ;-)









Gerard

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that should be: I did not find a separate issue.








msw design

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On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 1:04:58 PM UTC-5, Gerard wrote:

> But the 1981 one is this:
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symphonies-Tennstedt-Philharmonic-Orchestra/dp/B013F9YDP0/
> in a box only? I did not find
>
> HOWEVER.
> I've ordered now Klemperer's recording .... of symphony 4 ;-)

I do think that '81 one is only in the box. Yesterday it was $30, now it is $48:

https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphonies-London-Philharmonic-Orchestra/dp/B013F9YDP0/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=tennstedt+mahler&qid=1593715135&sr=8-1

I think it is funny to see reviewers fall over themselves describing Tennstedt's Mahler as "personal". Remind me again what the opposite of "personal" is?

sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 2:04:58 PM UTC-4, Gerard wrote:
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> I am a little confused now.
> The live recording everybody is talking about with so much admiration is the
> 1989 recording isn't it?

This is "the one":

https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-2-Resurrection/dp/B00361DRBY

Well worth owning. I paid $12 to import it from iTunes.

MIFrost

Raymond Hall

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Are the live recordings of 5,6 and 7, that are duplicated in the full studio box, the same as the live recordings in the live recording box? Or am I getting more confused than I was?

Ray Hall, Taree

Alex Brown

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On 2020-07-02 20:46, Raymond Hall wrote:
> Are the live recordings of 5,6 and 7, that are duplicated in the full studio box, the same as the live recordings in the live recording box? Or am I getting more confused than I was?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

An Amazon reviewer says these are the recordings of 5/6/7:

SYMPHONY 5 (1978 studio)
- 1980 NDR Symphony Hamburg (Profil)
- 1980 New York Philharmonic (NYPO private label)
- 1988 London Philharmonic - CD (EMI/Warner) or DVD (ICA Classics)
- 1990 Amsterdam Concertgebouw (Memories)

SYMPHONY 6 (1983 studio)
- 1983 London Philharmonic (LPO Live)
- 1986 New York Philharmonic (Memories)
- 1991 London Philharmonic (EMI/Warner)

SYMPHONY 7 (1980 studio)
- 1978 Cleveland Orchestra (Memories)
- 1980 London Philharmonic (BBC Legends)
- 1987 Philadelphia Orchestra (not on CD , but it's on YouTube)
- 1993 London Philharmonic (EMI/Warner)

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Owen

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Jul 2, 2020, 3:58:39 PM7/2/20
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Better performance, equal or better soloists (matter of taste),
exquisite recorded sound, and the engineers did a remarkable job of
bringing out many inner voices you don't usually hear. They are not
just blasting through this, this performance has poise, and allows space
and breath at those moments that are richly worth lingering a bit for
their remarkable beauty.

It's the best M2 I've ever heard, and though I haven't heard all the
Hurwitz has, I've heard the best of his recommendations, and Tennstedt's
beats the other bands.

-Owen
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Frank Berger

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The Concertgebouw 5th is also in one of the RCO big boxes
(RCO Live 11004).

The NYPO 5th is in one of the NYPO boxes (is that what is
meant by private label?)


Frank Berger

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On 7/2/2020 3:59 PM, Alex Brown wrote:
> I should add, that there is (at least) one more: a 1986
> recording of M5 with the Concertgebouw Orchestra, which is
> included in the Anthology of the Royal Concertgebouw
> Orchestra volume 6 box.
>

Hmm. My database says that RCO Live volume 6 has a 5th from
1990.

Frank Berger

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In fact, volume 6 covers 1990-2000. 1986 seems out-of-range.

Gerard

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That is the 1989 recording indeed. It is available "everywhere".
But the 1981 recording seems now to be the one to get? And it is only
available in a box, so it seems.



Bob Harper

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Absolutely. It is stunning..

Bob Harper

Frank Berger

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Everybody has praised the live 1989 to high heaven. Nobody
has said the 1981 is better. Why is it "the one to get?"

msw design

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:24:33 PM7/2/20
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On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 6:15:20 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:

> Everybody has praised the live 1989 to high heaven. Nobody
> has said the 1981 is better. Why is it "the one to get?"

I said it. And I have influence!

Not that the '89 would disappoint.

msw design

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:28:01 PM7/2/20
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I should spell out that I haven't listened to either completely recently, just compared the first movement. If you can get the '89 cheaply, go for it. If you can get the box for $30, get that.

Lawrence Chalmers

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:57:13 PM7/2/20
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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 7:17:15 AM UTC-7, sfr...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDCzOs6BqU
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> Good evaluation here.
>
> MIFrost


I am really enjoying DH's site. I think his reviews are informative, and he let's you know why he thinks what he thinks and is grounded in a knowledge of the scores, history, etc. As to 'Best' he has his opinons but I also in my mind equate his best with 'favorites.' He has steered me in good directions in selecting performances of my favorite and new works. I like his enthusiasm too.

Frank Berger

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Jul 2, 2020, 8:01:04 PM7/2/20
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As soon as I wrote nobody preferred the 1981, I knew I was
in trouble.

sfr...@nycap.rr.com

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Jul 2, 2020, 8:23:00 PM7/2/20
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Now I'm the one who's confused. I've heard only the '89 live Tennstedt. This one. https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-2-Resurrection/dp/B00361DRBY

I haven't heard the other two. But the live '89 is outstanding, IMHO. I called it, the '89, the one in the above link, "the one to get." As I say, I haven't heard the other two, however.

MIFrost

Frank Berger

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Jul 2, 2020, 8:57:26 PM7/2/20
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I know. Gerard is stressing over the '81. He wants someone
to tell him it's better so he has a reason to buy it.

Raymond Hall

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Jul 2, 2020, 9:45:30 PM7/2/20
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To help clear the fog, this account below may help. The 'one to get' is the second of two live performances Tennstedt gave in February of 1989 at RFH.
I have only skirted with the studio box I bought a few years back, but it looks like I'll have to add this one, and begin another Mahler survey. Watching the 'monster' on YT, it was always clear that Tennstedt's intensity on the podium was never in doubt. For a time the LPO was indeed his orchestra.
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https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-2-Resurrection/dp/B00361DRBY

Ray Hall, Taree

Alex Brown

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Jul 3, 2020, 1:20:56 AM7/3/20
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Yup, it's an error in my catalogue - 1990 it is (must be the same as
Memories). Sorry.

--
- Alex Brown

Gerard

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Jul 3, 2020, 6:10:17 AM7/3/20
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"Frank Berger" wrote in message
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You are wrong. And you know now why ;-)


Bob Harper

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Jul 3, 2020, 11:53:11 AM7/3/20
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I have not heard the 1981 live performance that's been mentioned, but it
is difficult to imagine its being 'better' than the 1989 live
performance. Different, no doubt, but better than that titanic
performance is unlikely.

Bob Harper

number_six

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Jul 3, 2020, 11:54:07 AM7/3/20
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Speaking of Yvonne Kenny, I just ordered a copy of her CD of songs by Lambert and Walton, on Etcetera.

An Argo recording of Lambert's Eight Poems of Li-Po, with tenor, has not had a CD issue AFAIK.

vih...@protonmail.com

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Jul 3, 2020, 1:38:54 PM7/3/20
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And speaking Walton, this rarely-found second Bream recording of his Bagatelles for guitar can be found
here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dedication-Vol-14-Julian-Bream-Guitar-CD/174231599890?hash=item2891033b12:g:pjIAAOSwA6hefI4~

No affiliation, just lots of good (and well-recorded) 20th C music on this disc.


C.

number_six

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Jul 3, 2020, 2:17:13 PM7/3/20
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Initially I acquired several individual disks in the Bream Edition series, but many others were elusive. When the box came out I grabbed one. What a career he had!

vih...@protonmail.com

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Jul 3, 2020, 3:37:43 PM7/3/20
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I sure wish I had gotten that now-OOP box! Dummy. ;)

s/ Big Bream Fan
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