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Melodiya joins the Sviatoslav Richter collection race

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Randy Lane

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Oct 16, 2015, 7:37:02 PM10/16/15
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Found on Amazon.de today.

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B016OW2DBQ

Fifty CDs.
Release date 11/27/2015

Oh, I forgot to mention the price.

EURO 521.50

That's $592 USD.

Product Description:


For the 100th anniversary of Sviatoslav Richter, Firma Melodiya presents its arguably biggest project in its semicentennial history. The name of Sviatoslav Richter is inscribed in gold in the history of music.
He was not just more than a pianist, he was even more than a musician. An owner of composing, conducting, artistic, directing and acting gifts, a connoisseur of lite-rature, arts and philosophy, with a will of iron he made all his gifts serve the art of pianism. An artist of planetary scale, as of the critics put it, Richter was like that in everything in his unbounded repertoire that he never stopped replenishing until his last years, in his priestly frenzy of hours-long rehearsals, in the geography and number of performances, over 3 500 concerts in 770 places of the world for 55 years of his musical career!

the set includes plenty of exclusive, previously unreleased recordings that will make the hearts of even most erudite connoisseurs and collectors rejoice. Most of the featured recordings are broadcasts from the concerts played in Moscow in 1962 to 1983. However, the exceptions are of special interest. These are:
one of the first Sviatoslav Richter s extant concert programmes Schubert s last sonata and Mussorgsky s Pictures at an Exhibition (1949); recording ofthe concert with Nina Dorliak in Bucharest, in 1958; recordings of "home" rehearsals with Nina Dorliak. Alexander Scriabin s Prometheus, on which he plays a "modest" piano part in an orchestra, is evidence of Richter s extremely broad musical interests, or the recordings of J.S. Bach s ensemble concertostogether with students of the Moscow Conservatory.

The set comes with a hardback booklet in four languages (Russian, English, French, and German), each set is placed in an exclusive bag.
Booklet includes texts written by Dmitri Bashkirov and Vladimir Ashkenazy. The set is relea-sed in a limited run of one thousand copies and each box has an individual collection number acknowledged with a Certificate of Authenticity.


RiRiIII

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Oct 17, 2015, 3:57:49 AM10/17/15
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Thanks. 100 Euro cheaper at Presto:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Melodiya/MELCD1002270

Dana John Hill

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Oct 17, 2015, 2:41:08 PM10/17/15
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On 10/16/2015 7:36 PM, Randy Lane wrote:
> Found on Amazon.de today.
>
> http://www.amazon.de/dp/B016OW2DBQ
>
> Fifty CDs.
> Release date 11/27/2015
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention the price.
>
> EURO 521.50
>
> That's $592 USD.
>

If anything, the price of this set highlights how good we classical fans
have it today. Twenty years ago we would not have thought it excessive
to find a collection like this priced at around $10-11 per disc. Any
more, I look askance at a fifty-disc set of reissues that costs more
than $150.

I feel spoiled.

Dana

Herman

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Oct 17, 2015, 4:21:09 PM10/17/15
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On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 8:41:08 PM UTC+2, Dana John Hill wrote:


> If anything, the price of this set highlights how good we classical fans
> have it today. Twenty years ago we would not have thought it excessive
> to find a collection like this priced at around $10-11 per disc. Any
> more, I look askance at a fifty-disc set of reissues that costs more
> than $150.
>
> I feel spoiled.
>
> Dana

you're looking at this the wrong way. it means the market is dead.

no one is going to take any risk anymore if grownups are not prepared to pay realistic prices for the product.

these Richter recordings are decades old; the artist is dead and so are his collaborators.

you're congratulating yourself on sitting on a grave.

Herman

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Oct 17, 2015, 4:24:04 PM10/17/15
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On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 10:21:09 PM UTC+2, Herman wrote:


> you're congratulating yourself on sitting on a grave.

however, obviously, groups like these are dedicated to the idea that dead and copyright-free artists are by definition better than living artists who need to make a living.

so it all adds up.

howie...@btinternet.com

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Oct 17, 2015, 4:33:21 PM10/17/15
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The marketing is appalling. They don't seem to have published any details or released any tasters of the new material. And the format is ludicrous, why can't I just download the tracks I need? I don't want to rip and store a fucking coffin crammed with stupid compact discs!

All that Dorliac rehearsal material could be dreadful: remember their Dichterliebe? And that was when she was trying her best. And has any of it been remastered, or does it all sound as though it was recorded on soviet dog biscuits?

I can't help feel that the guys at Melodyia haven't thought this through very well.

Marc P.

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Oct 17, 2015, 4:39:12 PM10/17/15
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$400-$500 is not a realistic price for this set, it's priced high to take advantage of Richter's cult following, and I'm sure Melodiya will sell a few hundred of them.

Marc

Dana John Hill

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Oct 19, 2015, 1:57:32 PM10/19/15
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I get your point, Herman. But I think that, precisely because the
Richters, Toscaninis, Rubinsteins, Heifetzes, and Goulds of the world
are, as you say, dead in the grave, and their recordings have been
issued, reissued, and re-reissued, time and again, it isn't unreasonable
to expect a price reduction, given that there is no shortage of these
recordings on the market. (I can't speak intelligently on this Richter
box. Perhaps these performances have not been widely available.) Also,
these recordings have, in many instances, long since recovered their
initial production costs.

Of course, another reason for the falling mega-box prices may be a
decline in demand, and in that respect, yes, I am sorry if it means that
we won't be seeing as many talented musicians find success as recording
artists in the future. However, I remain doubtful that the success of a
maga-box of reissues, at mid- or even premium price, would encourage
labels to produce new recordings of living artists. Rather, I think
record labels, in spite of their occasional inexplicable foolishness,
are savvy enough to not assume that the success of a big Toscanini box
would necessarily suggest that a big box of Alan Gilbert would set sales
records.

Where I am inclined to agree with you is in regards to reissues of
less-obvious recordings. If a label could sell many thousands of copies
of the Monteux box at $400, perhaps they'd take a risk on a Munch or
Leinsdorf box.

Dana

Bozo

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Oct 19, 2015, 3:49:23 PM10/19/15
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>On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 3:24:04 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
>living artists who need to make a living.

Would anyone here have ability to estimate what Daniil Trifonov netted , ie into his own backpocket, for his recent Carnegie Hall recital after Hall rent or take, his agent's fee, publicity expense, New York sales and income tax, US Federal tax, accomodations and meals in NYC, travel to/from Cleveland,etc ?

Those artists without major label contracts seem quite willing to give away their recordings to obtain live dates with good attendance.

cooper...@gmail.com

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Oct 19, 2015, 4:22:48 PM10/19/15
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It was always thus, with few exceptions. For most artists, successful recordings were what enabled them to charge more for live concerts, and the concerts provided their livelihood. The exceptions were mega-best-selling artists with generous contracts, and even they were subject to the vagaries of record company "accounting". Ah, the good old days!

AC

howie...@btinternet.com

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Oct 19, 2015, 4:46:23 PM10/19/15
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In the world of early music there is a model which provides a living to musicians - Leusink. Maybe that sort of low budget industrial operation is something that could be made to work outside of Holland and with music other than Bach's.

Herman and other Dutchmen, what do you think of what he does? All the people I've met who've worked for him hate him, they seem to feel almost insulted by the way he treats them. But he is making money for the musicians and for himself, and he is popularising the music.

Terry

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Oct 20, 2015, 12:17:25 AM10/20/15
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On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 07:46:23 UTC+11, howie...@btinternet.com wrote:
> In the world of early music there is a model which provides a living to musicians - Leusink. Maybe that sort of low budget industrial operation is something that could be made to work outside of Holland and with music other than Bach's.
>
> Herman and other Dutchmen, what do you think of what he does? All the people I've met who've worked for him hate him, they seem to feel almost insulted by the way he treats them. But he is making money for the musicians and for himself, and he is popularising the music.

Who is "he"?

howie...@btinternet.com

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Oct 20, 2015, 2:00:34 AM10/20/15
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Pieter Jan Leusink, I'm sure there's lots of stuff on the web about him.

richard...@gmail.com

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Oct 20, 2015, 7:22:07 PM10/20/15
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Unless things have changed very significantly the concept of 'original production costs' is wholly meaningless to Melodiya. They are probably trying to charge what the market will bear, and looked at the original Philips Richter collection rather than the recent Universal repackaging. Given the used prices reached for EMI sets of Cziffa, Silvestri et al it might even work.
If the Toscanini set sold to people who had heard of Toscanini but too late to buy his records when issued (i.e. NEW customers) then the Richter set might do so as well. They can always cut the price later or supply a nice wooden case . . .

Tony

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Nov 4, 2015, 2:47:32 PM11/4/15
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Here's the track listing in English

http://www.review33.com/news/news.php?news_id=20151020014657

and this links directly to Melodiya's website

http://melody.su/catalog/classic/33445/

Russians can buy it for 10,000 roubles = 145 euros, which makes Presto's 437.81 euro 'special offer' something of a piss-take.

You can try to email Melodiya directly from the description on that page. Perhaps they'll ship abroad.

Tony

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Nov 4, 2015, 3:18:51 PM11/4/15
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some of the dedicated Richter collectors at a Russian forum have been discussing this set at length. Perhaps it'll interest some here that one user has pointed out the following discs as being particularly interesting (for him, of course)

CD 9
30/12/64 - Москва. БЗК. Фестиваль “Русская зима”.
[Jeux d'eau

RACHMANINOFF
Etude Tableau in f-sharp, Op.39/3

BRAHMS
Rhapsody No.2 in g, Op.79/2]

----------------------------------------------------
CD 14
02/06/83 – Москва. Московская консерватория. Зал им. Рахманинова. Открытие зала.
RACHMANINOFF – у меня неясности по поводу точной датировки на прежних дисках Мелодии
Etude Tableau in c-sharp, Op.33/9 ( 8 )
Etude Tableau in d, Op.33/5(4)
Etude Tableau in e-flat, Op.33/6(5)
Etude Tableau in c, Op.39/1
Etude Tableau in a, Op.39/2
Etude Tableau in f-sharp, Op.39/3
Etude Tableau in b, Op.39/4
Etude Tableau in D, Op.39/9


-----------------------------------------------
CD 18
21/05/61 - Москва. БЗК.
DVORAK
Concerto for Piano and Orchestra in g, Op.33
(with Kondrashin)
[Дирижер Кирилл Кондрашин]

---------------------------------------------
CD 28
28/12/68 – Москва
[BEETHOVEN
Adagio, molto espresivo from
Sonata No.6 for Violin and Piano in A, Op.30/1
(with Oistrakh)
Давид Ойстрах

---------------------------------------------------
CD 33 – 12/12/68 - ошибочная дата
15/12/68 - Москва. БЗК.

[DEBUSSY
Images - (SET II) - 1. Cloches a travers les feuilles]

---------------------------------------------------
CD 34
10/10/71 - Москва. БЗК (дневной концерт).
[BRAHMS
Piano Piece in a, Intermezzo, Op.118/1
Piano Piece in g, Capriccio, Op.116/3
Piano Piece in e, Intermezzo, Op.116/5]

---------------------------------------------------
CD 35
06/10/71 - Москва. БЗК.
RACHMANINOFF
Prelude in C, Op.32/1
Prelude in A-flat, Op.23/8
Prelude in c, Op.23/7]

---------------------------------------------------
CD 38
22/12/68 - Москва. БЗК. 1000-ый концерт Московского камерного оркестра.
MOZART
Concerto No.17 for Piano and Orchestra in G, K.453
(with Barshai)
[Московский камерный оркестр.
Дирижер Рудольф Баршай]

-------------------------------------------------------
CD 40 (у меня нет аудио, только видео)
09/01/77 - Москва. БЗК (дневной концерт).
10/01/77 - Москва. БЗК.
MOZART
Concerto No.18 for Piano and Orchestra in B-flat, K.456 I

[bis:
Concerto No.18 for Piano and Orchestra in B-flat, K.456, 3-rd mvt ]
(with Kondrashin -- I have uploaded a video of this on my YT channel - Tony)
[Дирижер Кирилл Кондрашин]

-------------------------------------------------------
CD 41
22/12/74 - Москва
Есть ли бис – PROKOFIEV - Piano Sonata No.8 in B-flat, Op.84, 2-я часть ?
----------------------------------------------------
CD 47
21/12/80 – Moscow
BEETHOVEN
Piano Sonata No.18 in E-flat, Op.31/3

[CHOPIN
Etude No.12 in c, Op.10]
-----------------------------------------------------
CD 49
28/05/64 - Moscow
BRAHMS
[Piano Piece in d, Capriccio, Op.116/7
Piano Piece in a, Intermezzo, Op.118/1
Piano Piece in g, Ballade, Op.118/3]

-----------------------------------------------
CD 50
09/06/79 – Moscow
PROKOFIEV
Piano Piece - The Quarrel, Op.102/3
Piano Piece - Gavotte, Op.95/2
Piano Piece - Autumn Fairy, Op.97/3
Piano Piece - Orientalia, Op.97/6
Piano Piece - Waltz of Cinderella and the Prince, Op.102/1

dajokr

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Tony

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George P

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Thanks for that info, Tony!
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Oscar

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Ordered mine from MDT for $393, including postage to California. Has not shipped. MDT lists availability as the usual "Shipped within 1-3 days". Presto had this on offer as part of its box set sale, but the listing has now disappeared. Amazon US still has the set listed as a pre-order for $599.99. All contents "Digitally remastered 2015."

http://www.mdt.co.uk/richter-sviatoslav-the-100th-anniversary-edition-melodiya-50cds.html
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Tony

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On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 12:08:07 PM UTC+2, 1966m...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 10:37:29 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > Ordered mine from MDT for $393, including postage to California. Has not shipped. MDT lists availability as the usual "Shipped within 1-3 days". Presto had this on offer as part of its box set sale, but the listing has now disappeared. Amazon US still has the set listed as a pre-order for $599.99. All contents "Digitally remastered 2015."
> >
> > http://www.mdt.co.uk/richter-sviatoslav-the-100th-anniversary-edition-melodiya-50cds.html
>
> MDT only ever had 3 copies in stock & all of those were pre-orders.
> If you're still waiting you may as well cancel the order. Presto has done the sensible thing & removed the listing. Don't even consider Amazon - they have the release date for the 11th December.

Melodiya printed 1000 copies and it's still for sale on the Russian side of their website. No need to turn it into a panic yet. In the future it will be a pretty special collector's item though.
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Oscar

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On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 12:03:33 PM, 1966m...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The only reason i'm telling people this is not to get their hopes up of optaining this set because
> they won't. Sorry it's not what Richter fans want to hear but it's the truth.

Scrooge! :-/
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Oscar

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I was just being facetious, you know... It is a pity Melodiya wouldn't manufacture as many sets as it can sell of one of its most legendary artists. I don't get it.

Bozo

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Dec 7, 2015, 5:10:14 PM12/7/15
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>On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 2:37:05 PM UTC-6, Oscar wrote:
> It is a pity Melodiya wouldn't manufacture as many sets as it can sell of one >of its most legendary artists. I don't get it.

Richter was born in western Ukraine.

Mort

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Dec 8, 2015, 11:22:14 AM12/8/15
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1966m...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 10:37:29 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
>> Ordered mine from MDT for $393, including postage to California. Has not shipped. MDT lists availability as the usual "Shipped within 1-3 days". Presto had this on offer as part of its box set sale, but the listing has now disappeared. Amazon US still has the set listed as a pre-order for $599.99. All contents "Digitally remastered 2015."
>>
>> http://www.mdt.co.uk/richter-sviatoslav-the-100th-anniversary-edition-melodiya-50cds.html
>
> MDT only ever had 3 copies in stock & all of those were pre-orders.
> If you're still waiting you may as well cancel the order. Presto has done the sensible thing & removed the listing. Don't even consider Amazon - they have the release date for the 11th December.
>
My copy from Amazon.de is on its way, having been shipped a few days
ago, and expected to be delivered by December 24th. My order was
facilitated by my ability to read German.


Mort Linder

Dana John Hill

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Dec 8, 2015, 12:55:32 PM12/8/15
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FYI: DG has something called "The Undiscovered Richter" on the schedule
for March. I have no information yet on what it contains. Richter fans
are devoted, so how undiscovered can it really be?

Dana

Mort

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Dec 8, 2015, 9:16:10 PM12/8/15
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Tony wrote:
> MDT has it for 285 pounds

I paid Amazon.de about U.S.$20.- more than MDT charges, but my set is
already shipped to me. Some other web sites list the item, but do not
have any to sell yet. This music business is strange.

Best,

Mort Linder

RiRiIII

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Dec 10, 2015, 4:40:36 AM12/10/15
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I ordered it back then from jpc, with a shipping date 10 Dec. Now still not shipped and listed with a 4 weeks availability note...

Randy Lane

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Dec 12, 2015, 11:56:51 PM12/12/15
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On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 2:40:36 AM UTC-7, RiRiIII wrote:
> I ordered it back then from jpc, with a shipping date 10 Dec. Now still not shipped and listed with a 4 weeks availability note...

Ordered from Amazon.it for $304 USD including S&H.

Was "Available for Immediate Dispatch" when I placed order.
Changed after I placed order. Looks like I may have gotten lucky.

http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B016OW2DBQ

Tony

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Dec 13, 2015, 3:53:12 AM12/13/15
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It's sold out now on Russian Melodiya. They say some more will come in early 2016.

Randy Lane

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Dec 13, 2015, 9:12:26 AM12/13/15
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Just got shipped notification.
That was fast!
Wish it would arrive that quickly.

RiRiIII

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Dec 13, 2015, 12:43:44 PM12/13/15
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On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 6:56:51 AM UTC+2, Randy Lane wrote:
Thanks. I also ordered it after your notification, when it was shown as availavle on Dec 15. After some minutes it was shown as "Immediate Dispatch". Now it is "Not Available" but my order shows as "shipping today" with delivery on the 18th. Let's see...

Randy Lane

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Dec 13, 2015, 3:16:51 PM12/13/15
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An intriguing observation I want to learn more about is the KPMG logo. Did they sponsor/underwrite the production?

RiRiIII

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Dec 13, 2015, 5:23:41 PM12/13/15
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Shipped!

Oscar

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Dec 15, 2015, 10:46:22 AM12/15/15
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On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 12:03:33 PM, 1966m...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The only reason i'm telling people this is not to get their hopes up of optaining this set because
> they won't. Sorry it's not what Richter fans want to hear but it's the truth.

Well, mine shipped today (12/15) from MDT. Looks like they had more than three copies.

George P

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Dec 15, 2015, 5:20:37 PM12/15/15
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On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 7:37:02 PM UTC-4, Randy Lane wrote:
> Found on Amazon.de today.
>
> http://www.amazon.de/dp/B016OW2DBQ
>
> Fifty CDs.
> Release date 11/27/2015
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention the price.
>
> EURO 521.50
>
> That's $592 USD.
>
> Product Description:
>
>
> For the 100th anniversary of Sviatoslav Richter, Firma Melodiya presents its arguably biggest project in its semicentennial history. The name of Sviatoslav Richter is inscribed in gold in the history of music.
> He was not just more than a pianist, he was even more than a musician. An owner of composing, conducting, artistic, directing and acting gifts, a connoisseur of lite-rature, arts and philosophy, with a will of iron he made all his gifts serve the art of pianism. An artist of planetary scale, as of the critics put it, Richter was like that in everything in his unbounded repertoire that he never stopped replenishing until his last years, in his priestly frenzy of hours-long rehearsals, in the geography and number of performances, over 3 500 concerts in 770 places of the world for 55 years of his musical career!
>
> the set includes plenty of exclusive, previously unreleased recordings that will make the hearts of even most erudite connoisseurs and collectors rejoice. Most of the featured recordings are broadcasts from the concerts played in Moscow in 1962 to 1983. However, the exceptions are of special interest. These are:
> one of the first Sviatoslav Richter s extant concert programmes Schubert s last sonata and Mussorgsky s Pictures at an Exhibition (1949); recording ofthe concert with Nina Dorliak in Bucharest, in 1958; recordings of "home" rehearsals with Nina Dorliak. Alexander Scriabin s Prometheus, on which he plays a "modest" piano part in an orchestra, is evidence of Richter s extremely broad musical interests, or the recordings of J.S. Bach s ensemble concertostogether with students of the Moscow Conservatory.
>
> The set comes with a hardback booklet in four languages (Russian, English, French, and German), each set is placed in an exclusive bag.
> Booklet includes texts written by Dmitri Bashkirov and Vladimir Ashkenazy. The set is relea-sed in a limited run of one thousand copies and each box has an individual collection number acknowledged with a Certificate of Authenticity.

CD 17 in the new set is the same as CD 04 in the recent Melodiya Richter plays Schubert set. I wonder how much of this new set is being released for the first time?

George

Oscar

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Dec 15, 2015, 5:40:21 PM12/15/15
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On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 2:20:37 PM, George P wrote:
>
> CD 17 in the new set is the same as CD 04 in the recent Melodiya Richter plays Schubert set. I
> wonder how much of this new set is being released for the first time?

I would expect most, if not all, of the recent Richter Melodiya remasters from the last several years to be included in this box, along with an assortment of "previously unreleased" material. I just want the Certificate of Authenticity.

Randy Lane

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Dec 15, 2015, 6:21:46 PM12/15/15
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They advertise it as all 2015 DRMs.
So whether they were released before or not the whole set "should" be a new experience. Hopefully positive adjectives can be added too.

I am glad I never gave in to the temptation to buy the Venezia (Japan-centric dispenser of Melodiya material) boxes a few years ago. At the most these will duplicate some Brilliant Classics CDs in my library. And for the price the new Melodiya sound darn well ought to be an improvement.

RiRiIII

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Dec 16, 2015, 1:32:17 AM12/16/15
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On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 12:20:37 AM UTC+2, George P wrote:

> CD 17 in the new set is the same as CD 04 in the recent Melodiya Richter plays Schubert set. I wonder how much of this new set is being released for the first time?
>
> George

Actually all contents of this recent Schubert Richter set are included in the Richter 100 box except of one of the sonatas.

RiRiIII

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Dec 16, 2015, 8:40:49 AM12/16/15
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Just in:

"As the German and international Distributor of the Russian label Melodiya, we are happy that you ordered the Richter Edition, which is limited to only a few copies worldwide, exclusively from our partner jpc. Unfortunately, most of the boxes have been damaged during the shipment from Russia. Since it is an exclusive, limited edition the remanufacturing and replacement of the box sets will take some time, which will cause some delay in delivery. Of course, we are in close contact with the label Melodiya to solve this issue as soon as possible.

Jpc will promptly inform you as soon as the delivery of the Richter Edition is possible again. Up to date we understand that this will take some weeks. With your order, you are among the few persons worldwide who will receive this unique Richter Edition and we hope that this exclusivity can comfort you during the annoying waiting period. We sincerely apologize on behalf of the label Melodiya for this inconvenience.

Sincerely,
Matthias Lutzweiler
CEO NAXOS Germany"

Dana John Hill

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Dec 16, 2015, 12:33:27 PM12/16/15
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On 12/16/2015 8:40 AM, RiRiIII wrote:
> Just in:
>
> "As the German and international Distributor of the Russian label
> Melodiya, we are happy that you ordered the Richter Edition, which is
> limited to only a few copies worldwide, exclusively from our partner
> jpc. Unfortunately, most of the boxes have been damaged during the
> shipment from Russia. Since it is an exclusive, limited edition the
> remanufacturing and replacement of the box sets will take some time,
> which will cause some delay in delivery. Of course, we are in close
> contact with the label Melodiya to solve this issue as soon as
> possible.
>
> Jpc will promptly inform you as soon as the delivery of the Richter
> Edition is possible again. Up to date we understand that this will
> take some weeks. With your order, you are among the few persons
> worldwide who will receive this unique Richter Edition and we hope
> that this exclusivity can comfort you during the annoying waiting
> period. We sincerely apologize on behalf of the label Melodiya for
> this inconvenience.
>
> Sincerely, Matthias Lutzweiler CEO NAXOS Germany"
>

I wonder if these damaged sets will someday appear on ebay.

Dana

Tony

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Dec 19, 2015, 5:50:36 PM12/19/15
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HMV Japan lists this for release on 20 March 2016. Anyone curious about Melodiya's message of a release in early 2016 should just email their sales department.

Randy Lane

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Dec 22, 2015, 3:39:47 PM12/22/15
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Received today.

Minor box damage; Melodiya should have followed recent examples from Sony and UMG, who now often enclose items like this in a custom fit separate box for shipping.
CDs are in well designed paper sleeves that fit into the cardboard jackets and are easy to remove without damage/fingerprints/etc.

Listening to CD6, LvB PC 1&2 with Moscow PO and Kondrashin,8 May 1962.
Audio clean, good for live broadcast from that era. Very enjoyable.
Will later try to find some items I may have other releases of the same recording for comparison.

Randy Lane

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Dec 23, 2015, 12:35:28 AM12/23/15
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Last post is LvB Piano Concerti 1 & 3, not 2.

Disk 33 has the same program as BBC Legends CD BBCL-4103-2

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006I61S

BBC CD was recorded at Goldsmiths' Hall, London November 19, 1968.
Melodiya in Moscow December 15th.

BBC time 31:06
Melodiya time 31:54

I listened to 3 tracks from each tonight, Promenade II, Tuileries, and Bydlo.

Melodiya is more closely miked than BBC. End of Bydlo on BBC becomes almost inaudible, but the Melodiya captures the softer dynamics well without smothering the listener during louder passages.

Performances are very similar, but as the timing suggests there are a few brief moments where the Melodiya performance transitions a little slower; Bydlo 5 seconds longer, mostly in the middle when the pace slows and loudness softens.

What neither BBC or Melodiya provide is any information about the instrument. I suspect Richter was no Krystian Zimerman or Glenn Gould with regard to being extremely instrument finicky, Zimerman of course well known for packing his gear with him when he went places. Can any more knowledgeable Richterites here offer us some insight about Sviatoslov's instrument preferences?

RiRiIII

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Dec 23, 2015, 7:26:31 AM12/23/15
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I think Richter did not care much for the instruments. In 1993 he performed at the Concert Hall of Thessaloniki's university on the Hall's piano (Bach and Grieg). In that month he played an all Grieg recital at another Greek city (not at all famous for its classical music tradition) with no concert hall at all. Just a small municipality space with a piano. And finally he played in Athens where he could select his instrument out of 3 or 4 Grand Steinways.

So, no Gould, Horowitz or Zimerman as far as I know.

George P

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Dec 25, 2015, 1:49:23 PM12/25/15
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I am now enjoying CD 01 of this new 100th Anniversary box set by Richter, which my amazing girlfriend got me for Xmas. I made a little youtube video, if folks want to get a closer look at this set:

https://youtu.be/gp2FaPnQ3kM

Many of the CD cases in my set had smudged ink on both sides. Anyone else have this issue?

George

pgaron

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Dec 25, 2015, 5:04:21 PM12/25/15
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I like the fact that the CD spines, when lined up together in the storage box, look like a piano keyboard.

pgaron

George P

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Dec 26, 2015, 1:19:23 PM12/26/15
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I just read in the liner notes that "This set includes most of his concert recordings (Richter clearly preferred them to studio ones) made in Moscow in 1962 to 1983." 

George P

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Dec 26, 2015, 1:24:05 PM12/26/15
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Randy - did the ink on your CD case covers bleed over in spots to the adjacent case? I have this issue on almost every case.

George

will...@msn.com

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Dec 26, 2015, 6:39:51 PM12/26/15
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My copy came with the lower front edge of the case banged in (about a 3cm long dent)from amazon.Italy

I was thinking of returning it, as I may resell it in the far distant future. But this set may be so rare, perhaps I should not try to get a replacement. Any comments?

George P

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Dec 26, 2015, 11:45:38 PM12/26/15
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I am not sure if you could get a whole new set for yours.

So your CD cases are fine, no ink bleed from case to case?

George P

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Dec 27, 2015, 2:42:51 PM12/27/15
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Correct. I see that the June 8, 1979 D. 575 is omitted from the new set.

George P

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Dec 27, 2015, 3:45:25 PM12/27/15
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On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 11:45:38 PM UTC-5, George P wrote:
> I am not sure if you could get a whole new set for yours.
>
> So your CD cases are fine, no ink bleed from case to case?

By the way, the smudges look like this (and again, they appear on every CD case):

http://s28.postimg.org/u8f04maq5/IMG_20151227_152741.jpg

http://s9.postimg.org/dgxl6zv0f/IMG_20151227_153030.jpg

George P

Randy Lane

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Dec 28, 2015, 1:14:47 AM12/28/15
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Most of the jackets in my set have some of the ink-smudges you show.
Overall the "presentation" and handling of this set is far from first-class.

Like I said when I first received, I would hope Melodiya would follow others and put the set in an "shipping" box to prevent damage.

The box construction is not "cheap" but for the price should have been a lot better. It will definitely show "age" with use more than other sets, especially around the spines.

And the documentation included about each performance is puny compared to products from UMG, Sony, and Warner/EMI.

I am of the opinion that Warner has the best presentation and packaging now when they follow the format they used for Callas in 2014 and Perlman in 2015.

George P

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Dec 28, 2015, 7:41:23 AM12/28/15
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On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 1:14:47 AM UTC-5, Randy Lane wrote:
> On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 1:45:25 PM UTC-7, George P wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 11:45:38 PM UTC-5, George P wrote:
> > > I am not sure if you could get a whole new set for yours.
> > >
> > > So your CD cases are fine, no ink bleed from case to case?
> >
> > By the way, the smudges look like this (and again, they appear on every CD case):
> >
> > http://s28.postimg.org/u8f04maq5/IMG_20151227_152741.jpg
> >
> > http://s9.postimg.org/dgxl6zv0f/IMG_20151227_153030.jpg
> >
> > George P
>
> Most of the jackets in my set have some of the ink-smudges you show.
> Overall the "presentation" and handling of this set is far from first-class.
>
> Like I said when I first received, I would hope Melodiya would follow others and put the set in an "shipping" box to prevent damage.
>
> The box construction is not "cheap" but for the price should have been a lot better. It will definitely show "age" with use more than other sets, especially around the spines.
>
> And the documentation included about each performance is puny compared to products from UMG, Sony, and Warner/EMI.
>


Thanks for confirming that yours has similar case damage. Another person on another forum has confirmed the same. Perhaps all sets have the same defect.

As for shipping, MDT did a superb job of shipping mine. They wisely put the box, bubble wrapped, inside of a separate shipping box, which was then placed, bubble wrapped, inside of another box.

And I agree that the documentation could have been better, but I enjoyed the liner notes in the booklet. And how about these performances? Richter is electrifying!

George

Tony

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Dec 28, 2015, 11:29:40 AM12/28/15
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No offence, but if it's true that they'll release more copies in March 2016, I'd wager they correct some or all of these defects. Why don't you just email Melodiya instead of running around the forums? They've already said they'll release more copies in early '16.
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George P

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Dec 28, 2015, 11:56:18 AM12/28/15
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On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
> No offence, but if it's true that they'll release more copies in March 2016, I'd wager they correct some or all of these defects. Why don't you just email Melodiya instead of running around the forums? They've already said they'll release more copies in early '16.

Do you have contact info for Melodiya? Do you know if they correspond in English?

I have emailed MDT (where the set was purchased), but haven't heard back yet.

George

Tony

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Dec 28, 2015, 12:01:40 PM12/28/15
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On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 6:56:18 PM UTC+2, George P wrote:
>
> Do you have contact info for Melodiya?

It's on their website

>Do you know if they correspond in English?

Didn't we have this conversation about another company a few months ago? Sviatoslav Richter would not approve of your behaviour.

Let us know how you get on.

George P

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Dec 28, 2015, 12:49:55 PM12/28/15
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If you happen to want to share that contact information, that'd be great, Tony. Also, if you happen to know if Melodiya corresponds in English, that would also be great.

Thanks,
George P

Tony

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Dec 28, 2015, 1:19:12 PM12/28/15
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See my last message. It's all there for you George

George P

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Dec 28, 2015, 3:02:29 PM12/28/15
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If anyone could kindly provide me with contact information for Melodiya, I'd appreciate it. Also, if anyone has experience communicating with Melodiya and could report on whether or not they communicate in English,that would be great. The last foreign company I emailed never got back to me.

As for the music, I must say Melodiya has done a great job of choosing performances for this set. I am 8 discs in and so far everything has been superb. Even the sound has been very good.

George P

George M.

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Dec 28, 2015, 10:53:23 PM12/28/15
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http://melody.su/en/

Website is bilingual, here is contact page, also in English

http://melody.su/en/melody/contacts/

George M.

Herman

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Dec 29, 2015, 3:54:38 AM12/29/15
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On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 7:19:12 PM UTC+1, Tony wrote:

>
> See my last message. It's all there for you George

Maybe George doesn't speak English?

George P

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Dec 30, 2015, 11:38:00 PM12/30/15
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On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 2:20:37 PM, George P wrote:
> >
> > CD 17 in the new set is the same as CD 04 in the recent Melodiya Richter plays Schubert set. I
> > wonder how much of this new set is being released for the first time?
>
> I would expect most, if not all, of the recent Richter Melodiya remasters from the last several years to be included in this box, along with an assortment of "previously unreleased" material. I just want the Certificate of Authenticity.

Curiously, the new box includes some but not all of the Schubert box. One sonata performance is missing from the new box. They also left off 7 of the 20 Debussy tracks from the recent Debussy CD. And the new box adds 8 Rachmaninoff Etude Tableaux performances not found on the recent Rach/Tchaikovsky 2CD set.

George P

RiRiIII

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Jan 2, 2016, 6:22:32 AM1/2/16
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... and the box offers Chopin Ballade no 1 from 26 May 67 not included in the recent Chopin Melodyia CD: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richter-Plays-Chopin-y/dp/B002V9YOIC/ref=sr_1_20?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1451733419&sr=1-20&
keywords=richter+melodiya
The remaining of this CD is in the box.

Alex

RiRiIII

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Jan 2, 2016, 6:32:58 AM1/2/16
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and the box omitts Prokofiev's Sonata no 2 from 1961 included in the recent Melodiya CD: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richter-Plays-Prokofiev/dp/B003GT37OS/ref=sr_1_18?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1451734071&sr=1-18&keywords=richter+melodiya

The remaining of the CD recorded in 8 June 1979 is the last CD of the box.

Alex

RiRiIII

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Jan 2, 2016, 6:36:18 AM1/2/16
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Peter Lemken

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Jan 3, 2016, 11:05:14 AM1/3/16
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Randy Lane <randy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Listening to CD6, LvB PC 1&2 with Moscow PO and Kondrashin,8 May 1962.

Are you sure? A Beethoven 2nd concerto would be a completely new repertoire
addition for Richter, and I somehow doubt that this has escaped pianophiles'
radar for more than 50 years.


Peter Lemken
+43-1

--
Nature abhors crude hacks.

George P

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Jan 3, 2016, 1:46:48 PM1/3/16
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On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 11:05:14 AM UTC-5, Peter Lemken wrote:
CD6 has PC's 1 and 3.

George

Randy Lane

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Jan 3, 2016, 2:31:08 PM1/3/16
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Fat-fingered.
I corrected myself with the next post after the one you responded to.

Oscar

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Jan 8, 2016, 1:46:57 PM1/8/16
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My set has arrived from MDT, totally mint without dings. However, as expected, scuffing to individual jackets, as reported herein, is noted. A pity. Playing disc 1 now, and I must say the remastering sounds surprisingly natural, slightly boosted, but without objectionable noise suppression or wonky EQ choices. As Randy reported, the documentation re provenance of the recordings and technical information is hardly to the precise and exacting standards of Sony and Warners, but it is what it is and for this one I can overlook such carelessness, for it is the music that counts. And what riches we have on offer here! I am not most obsessive Richter fan, like Ateş Orga, but he was a titan in the music world of the second half of the 20th century music and I simply could not let this one pass me by.

"This is to certify that Richter: The 100th Anniversary Edition box no. 936 out of an Edition of 1000 is authentic. Signed by Andrey Krichevskiy, Director General of Firma Melodiya."

Remastering: E. Barykina, M. Pilipov, N. Radugina, V. Panina-Obodzinskaya.

George P

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Jan 8, 2016, 1:52:45 PM1/8/16
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Indeed, the sound is quite natural. I am very happy with the sound (and performances) in this set. Glad yours arrived without dings as well.

George P

Oscar

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Jan 8, 2016, 2:18:11 PM1/8/16
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Okay, this Andante sostenuto of D.960, recorded December 8, 1949 -- disc 1 track 2 of a 50 CD set -- is worth the price of the entire box. Wow. Best I have heard, and I have many 960's on my shelves. (The following Scherzo is a bit, shall we say, hyper but über-Richter.) Anyone else familiar with this performance? George?

Tony

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Jan 8, 2016, 4:57:55 PM1/8/16
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On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 9:18:11 PM UTC+2, Oscar wrote:
> Okay, this Andante sostenuto of D.960, recorded December 8, 1949 -- disc 1 track 2 of a 50 CD set -- is worth the price of the entire box. Wow. Best I have heard, and I have many 960's on my shelves. (The following Scherzo is a bit, shall we say, hyper but über-Richter.) Anyone else familiar with this performance? George?

It's listed in only one of three discographies I checked, so it seems quite rare. I haven't heard it.

For those who missed it, a few days ago I shared a '86 recording of Richter playing Beethoven's Rondos, Sonata op. 101, and Diabellis, which is not listed in any discography.

Oscar

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Jan 8, 2016, 5:28:22 PM1/8/16
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On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:57:55 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> It's listed in only one of three discographies I checked, so it seems quite rare. I haven't heard it.
>
> For those who missed it, a few days ago I shared a '86 recording of Richter playing Beethoven's Rondos, Sonata op. 101, and Diabellis, which is not listed in any discography.

Thank you, Tony.

George P

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Jan 9, 2016, 8:41:04 AM1/9/16
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I've only heard that performance once, and although I enjoyed it, I still prefer the D960 from the Praga set overall. I think that Richter always had a special way with the movement that you mentioned. That's the music that opens The Enigma documentary.

George P

Tony

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Mar 15, 2016, 2:42:11 PM3/15/16
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Oscar

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Mar 15, 2016, 4:20:17 PM3/15/16
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If a boxed set comprised only of FLAC files falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it really make a sound?

Oscar

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May 15, 2016, 2:24:41 AM5/15/16
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On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 12:07:11 PM, 1966m...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The only reason i'm telling people this is not to get their hopes up of optaining this set because
> they won't. Sorry it's not what Richter fans want to hear but it's the truth.

This poster has since deleted his message, but the box is still available on Amazon and other merchants. Well worth the price, in my opinion!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016OW2DBQ/sr=8-1/qid=1463293251/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1463293251&sr=8-1
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