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David Connor

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Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
that one can add to a CD library?

DC


John H

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Gilels on DG, Richter live on Stradivari.

John Harkness

AV

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David Connor wrote:
>
> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> that one can add to a CD library?
>
> DC

Just bought a surprisingly inexpensive 2CD (Vox) set of Horszowski of 3
sonatas including Hammerkalvier.

av

Thomas Deas

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"David Connor" <D2...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> that one can add to a CD library?

Solomon EMI?
(ducks)

Lowell Stanforth

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In article <993-3837...@storefull-268.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

D2...@webtv.net (David Connor) wrote:
> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata
#29
> that one can add to a CD library?

Sokolov (originally on MK; reissued by Mobile Fidelity)


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Bob Lombard

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David Connor wrote in message
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>Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
>that one can add to a CD library?
>
>DC
>
Great music invites great performances; there are many out there. Unless
your musical taste tends toward the arid, you would do well not to purchase
Beveridge Webster's performance unheard.

bl

Alfredo Rivas

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David Connor <D2...@webtv.net> wrote in article


<993-3837...@storefull-268.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> that one can add to a CD library?
>
> DC
>
>

This is a hard sonata to pull out mainly because of the super human fugue
at the end. Schnabel nails the slow movement like no one else but his fugue
is almost unbearable. My personal choices are:

Richter on Praga-great sound for a live performance, and high intensity as
expected. Even his mistakes are worth hearing.

Gilels on DG- some people will find the outer movements too broad, but I
tend to like this. I'm a confessed Gilels fan.

Rosen- An excellent mini set on Sony of the late sonatas. Arguably the
best fugue on record.

There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...

regards,


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John Gavin

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Maurizio Pollini - DGG or Arkadia (live)

The Arkadia CD is available at Berkshire.


him...@my-deja.com

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I've long been an aficionado of Pollini's volcanic account on DG. A few
years ago, I heard him play this at the Royal Festival Hall, London,
and it was the most thrilling piece of music-making I've heard.

But recently, I've been taken with a very different performance -
Brendel's recent live recording on Philips. I know that Brendel is
regarded in some quarters as bland and pedestrian - and so he does tend
to sound if you come to him immediately after the Pollini - but I have
come increasingly to appreciate of late this self-effacing brand of
musicianship: maybe it's just a sign of old age on my part! Certainly,
there is a greater warmth to Brendel's recording: compared to Pollini,
it is on a more human scale, and Pollini, for all his superhuman
virtuosity, does now sound a bit cold and aloof to me. Passages like
the recapitulation in the slow movement, or the D major episode towards
the end of the final movement, I find wonderfully eloquent and moving
in Brendel's recording.

> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata
#29
> that one can add to a CD library?
>
> DC
>
>

Clifford Ando

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My favorite currently is probably Yudina. You could also try P. Serkin on
Pro Arte, playing a contemporary (with Beethoven) Graf. He also recorded
the sonata on a Steinway, although I find that performance less
interesting.

Rosen and Pollini pull off the last movement well; both of their cheap
twofers can, I think, be safely recommended, although I'm not sure either
is a first choice in the last five sonatas.

Clifford Ando ca...@usc.edu
Classics Department phone: (213) 740-3683
University of Southern California fax: (213) 740-7360
Los Angeles, CA 90089-0352


mt

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Rudolf Serkin on CBS is taut and thrilling. Charles Rosen is great for
hearing the notes as written, and it's not just the incredible fingers:
the performance as a whole is very musical. Horszowski nailed this
sonata like few in his Vox recording; it was one of his specialties.
Gilels (DG) shows that he still had what it takes; it's a bloated
performance, but not a snoozy one. It has a lot of nobility. Richter on
Praga is good. Schnabel is interesting, though his technique was not up
to par in some of this music.

I also like the recording by Oppens on Music and Arts. Very beautifully
and strongly played.

The absolute best Hammerklavier I've heard was by Pollini, in concert.
He kicked up a tremendous storm. This, from a pianist who is usually
considered "cold"...

Lest I forget, Yves Nat plays this brilliantly (as he did everything he
touched). His complete set is mandatory and ultracheap to boot. I don't
recall Arrau's sixties performance well enough to endorse it right now.
Time to dig up that box, I guess.

Regards,

mt


Brian Cantin

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AV <av...@together.net> writes:

My favorite is Gilels on DG. To bad Gilels did not live finish the
cycle.

Brian Cantin
To reply via email, be less negative.


PGoldst515

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>Solomon EMI?
>(ducks)

I'll join you on the scaffold.

Also Richter (Praga).

But I really do think Solomon is better.
Paul Goldstein

David A. Fox

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On 21 Nov 1999 15:49:48 GMT, "Alfredo Rivas" <ARI...@prodigy.net>
wrote:

>
>There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
>Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
>
>regards,

Mobile Fidelity sells it as a "cut out" for about $8.99 (MFCD 922). I
bought it from their website. I think its:

http://www.mofi.com

Good luck.

ManrayHawk

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And, of course, there's Rosen's brilliant first recording of the Hammerklavier
on Epic that will never be reissued on CD.

-david gable

HenryFogel

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Why won't it?
Henry Fogel

Matthew B. Tepper

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Because Sony appears to have abandoned its reissue programs?

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Lowell Stanforth

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In article <38384B98...@earthlink.net>,

=?iso-8859-1?Q?oy=FE=40earthlink=2Enet?= wrote:
> HenryFogel wrote:
> >
> > >And, of course, there's Rosen's brilliant first recording of the
> > >Hammerklavier on Epic that will never be reissued on CD.
> > >
> > >-david gable
> >
> > Why won't it?
> > Henry Fogel
>
> Because Sony appears to have abandoned its reissue programs?

If true, that would mean we'll never hear Steuermann's Schoenberg recs
or the composer's own Pierrot on CD. (We've certainly waited long
enough, haven't we? Let's see...Sony introduced CD in 1983....)

Lowell S.

Wayne Phillips

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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I just purchased these Phillips Brendel recordings, and I have been
playing them nonstop for 3 weeks. I think they are exquqisite.
However, I may be biased, because my first recordings of the
Beethoven Sonatas were the original Vox recordings by Brendel.
They stand up well after all these years, by my book.

Like you, I prefer clean, understated performances ... the music
speaks for itself.

him...@my-deja.com wrote:

> I've long been an aficionado of Pollini's volcanic account on DG. A few
> years ago, I heard him play this at the Royal Festival Hall, London,
> and it was the most thrilling piece of music-making I've heard.
>
> But recently, I've been taken with a very different performance -

> Brendel's recent live recording on Philips. .............


Neil

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On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:43:07 -0500 (EST), D2...@webtv.net (David Connor) wrote:

>Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
>that one can add to a CD library?

Sokolov is one of the few pianists who makes this peice work for me. Also
Solomon's recording.

David A. Fox

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On 21 Nov 1999 15:49:48 GMT, "Alfredo Rivas" <ARI...@prodigy.net>
wrote:

>There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
>Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...

Correction to the last post. The URL where one can purchase the
discontinued Sokolov Hammerklavier is:

http://www.sfnet.net/mofi/newsflsh.htm

Lowell Stanforth

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In article <9XA4OAE0BdBwqx...@4ax.com>,

FWIW, MoFi's reissue of Skrowaczewski's very good Bartok MSPC sounds
even better, to these ears, than the Vox original.

Lowell

Matthew B. Tepper

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Lowell Stanforth wrote:
>
> In article <38384B98...@earthlink.net>,
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?oy=FE=40earthlink=2Enet?= wrote:
> > HenryFogel wrote:
> > >
> > > >And, of course, there's Rosen's brilliant first recording of the
> > > >Hammerklavier on Epic that will never be reissued on CD.
> > > >
> > > >-david gable
> > >
> > > Why won't it?
> > > Henry Fogel
> >
> > Because Sony appears to have abandoned its reissue programs?
>
> If true, that would mean we'll never hear Steuermann's Schoenberg recs
> or the composer's own Pierrot on CD. (We've certainly waited long
> enough, haven't we? Let's see...Sony introduced CD in 1983....)

Schoenberg's own recording of "Pierrot" was briefly available as a
Portrait issue in the late 1980s, or at any rate sometime during the
Gunther Breest era. Come back, Gunther, all is forgiven!

Philip Peters

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"David A. Fox" wrote:

> On 21 Nov 1999 15:49:48 GMT, "Alfredo Rivas" <ARI...@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
> >Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
> >
>

Yudina's is beyond belief, as eccentric now as the sonata must have seemed
when it was written. As always with Yudina: power like no one else.

Philip (but my favourite Hammerklavier is still Gilels)

Matthew B. Tepper

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Lowell Stanforth wrote:
>
> In article <383882AB...@earthlink.net>,

> =?iso-8859-1?Q?oy=FE=40earthlink=2Enet?= wrote:
> > Lowell Stanforth wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <38384B98...@earthlink.net>,
> > > =?iso-8859-1?Q?oy=FE=40earthlink=2Enet?= wrote:
> > > > HenryFogel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >And, of course, there's Rosen's brilliant first recording of
> > > > > >the Hammerklavier on Epic that will never be reissued on CD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-david gable
> > > > >
> > > > > Why won't it?
> > > > > Henry Fogel
> > > >
> > > > Because Sony appears to have abandoned its reissue programs?
> > >
> > > If true, that would mean we'll never hear Steuermann's Schoenberg
> > > recs or the composer's own Pierrot on CD. (We've certainly waited long
> > > enough, haven't we? Let's see...Sony introduced CD in 1983....)
> >
> > Schoenberg's own recording of "Pierrot" was briefly available as a
> > Portrait issue in the late 1980s, or at any rate sometime during the
> > Gunther Breest era. Come back, Gunther, all is forgiven!
>
> So Sony did issue it! I stand corrected. Still, it, like the Steuermann,
> deserves the Masterworks Heritage treatment.

Well, unfortunately, NOTHING is going to get "the Masterworks Heritage
treatment," since Sony has now killed the line, dead as a doornail.
That's the woeful point of the last several posts.

Simon Roberts

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Nov 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/22/99
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David Connor (D2...@webtv.net) wrote:
: Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
: that one can add to a CD library?

Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.

Of those I would most hate to part with Yudina, Sokolov and Peter Serkin.
If you want a first movement that seriously attempts to follow Beethoven's
metronome marking, Rosen, Serkin, Levinas and, to a lesser extent, Guy,
Oppens and Pollini, all succeed. I should warn you that Yudina's has a
decidedly free, dramatic account of the slow movement which would
doubtless horrify the Penguin chaps.

Simon

ManrayHawk

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Nov 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/22/99
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Simon,

Are you talking about Rosen's third and fairly recent recording of the
Hammerklavier (for what it's worth, my least favorite of his three)? People
used to say Rosen had attempted to match the tempo markings in the old Epic
recording, and Rosen always denied this. In the third recording, he
consciously attempted them. My main objection to the third Rosen Hammerklavier
is the awful banging sound he makes as he makes up for a certain natural loss
of dexterity through age by sheer force of will.

-david gable

ManrayHawk

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Henry Fogel asks "why won't [Rosen's Epic recording of the Hammerklavier" be
reissued on CD. And, of course, I don't have a crystal ball. It may well.
But it strikes me as unlikely, given that Sony has reissued his Late Sonatas
set on CD. Hope I'm wrong. And maybe a label like Boston Skyline will reissue
it. It received a lot of favorable critical attention in the 60's.

-david gable

ManrayHawk

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It's not Sony, but CBS issued Schoenberg's own recording of Pierrot lunaire on
CD in the 1980's coupled with the recording of the String Trio with members of
the Juilliard that stemmed from the Craft complete Schoenberg set. (The CD of
Verkla"rte Nacht and the String Trio with members of the Juilliard is a later
recording.)

-david gable

Lowell Stanforth

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In article <383882AB...@earthlink.net>,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?oy=FE=40earthlink=2Enet?= wrote:
> Lowell Stanforth wrote:
> >
> > In article <38384B98...@earthlink.net>,
> > =?iso-8859-1?Q?oy=FE=40earthlink=2Enet?= wrote:
> > > HenryFogel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >And, of course, there's Rosen's brilliant first recording of
the
> > > > >Hammerklavier on Epic that will never be reissued on CD.
> > > > >
> > > > >-david gable
> > > >
> > > > Why won't it?
> > > > Henry Fogel
> > >
> > > Because Sony appears to have abandoned its reissue programs?
> >
> > If true, that would mean we'll never hear Steuermann's Schoenberg
recs
> > or the composer's own Pierrot on CD. (We've certainly waited long
> > enough, haven't we? Let's see...Sony introduced CD in 1983....)
>
> Schoenberg's own recording of "Pierrot" was briefly available as a
> Portrait issue in the late 1980s, or at any rate sometime during the
> Gunther Breest era. Come back, Gunther, all is forgiven!

So Sony did issue it! I stand corrected. Still, it, like the Steuermann,
deserves the Masterworks Heritage treatment.

Lowell

Richard Schultz

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Nov 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/22/99
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Simon Roberts (si...@dept.english.upenn.edu) wrote:

: Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile


: Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
: Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
: Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.

Is the Rudolf Serkin recording not available at all, not available
without buying a box, or do you just not like it?

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Simon Roberts

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ManrayHawk (manra...@aol.com) wrote:

: Simon,

No, the second. I've not heard the first.

Simon

Simon Roberts

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Richard Schultz (sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il) wrote:
: Simon Roberts (si...@dept.english.upenn.edu) wrote:

: : Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
: : Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
: : Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
: : Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.

: Is the Rudolf Serkin recording not available at all, not available
: without buying a box, or do you just not like it?

Don't like it much, though I don't dislike it to the extent I usually
dislike his recordings.

Simon

Alfredo Rivas

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Hi David,

I think there are also some Debussy recordings by Rosen which you have
mentioned in the past. I wonder how much materialis unavailable right now
that deserves attention. Maybe a set of the Epic recordings wouldn't be a
bad idea. Wishful thinking?

regards,


--
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Guernica Films
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Lowell Stanforth

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In article <3838DF60...@earthlink.net>,
> Well, unfortunately, NOTHING is going to get "the Masterworks Heritage
> treatment," since Sony has now killed the line, dead as a doornail.
> That's the woeful point of the last several posts.

Sorry to be so slow to catch on. In light of that, I suppose the best we
can expect from them will be the kind of pointless reissues exemplified
by Sony's new Gould-Bach set -- "with the ORIGINAL COVERS restored"!
Yikes...

Matthew B. Tepper

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In article <81bub7$8bo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, stan...@my-deja.com is reputed
to have iterated as follows...

Original covers, along with original lack-of-couplings?

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Donald Rice

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Simon,
Is Yudina's the recording from '52 or '58?
From a friend, I have borrowed a set of Russian lp's of Yudina's
Beethoven sonatas, including the Hammerklavier. The notes are in Russian
and there are two dates under sonata #29.
(I also am working my way through 25 or so lp's of Sofronitsky's. All of
these are on Russian Melodiya.)
Thanks.
Don

Simon Roberts wrote:
>
> David Connor (D2...@webtv.net) wrote:
> : Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> : that one can add to a CD library?
>

> Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
> Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
> Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
> Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
>

Matthew Silverstein

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Simon Roberts <si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:81aet0$re7$7...@netnews.upenn.edu...

> David Connor (D2...@webtv.net) wrote:
> : Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> : that one can add to a CD library?
>
> Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
> Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
> Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
> Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.

If you didn't confine yourself to discs available separately, which
recordings would you add, and how would they fit in the ones you've listed?

Matty


Simon Roberts

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Matthew Silverstein (matthew.s...@corpus-christi.oxford.ac.uk) wrote:

: Simon Roberts <si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote in message
: >
: > Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile


: > Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
: > Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
: > Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.

: If you didn't confine yourself to discs available separately, which
: recordings would you add, and how would they fit in the ones you've listed?

Hey, that's not fair; the point of excluding boxes was laziness on my
part.... Actually, as it happens I'm not sure I would add many. Schnabel
of course (with the usual caveat), Nat probably, Gulda definitely (the
performance on Amadeo, a wonderfully fleet affair throughout), Kuerti
probably (if only for his outrageously but successfully long slow
movement), maybe Heidsieck.

Simon

Simon Roberts

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Donald Rice (don...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: Simon,

: Is Yudina's the recording from '52 or '58?

1958, according to Arlecchino.

: From a friend, I have borrowed a set of Russian lp's of Yudina's


: Beethoven sonatas, including the Hammerklavier. The notes are in Russian
: and there are two dates under sonata #29.

Please report back. Also, would you mind listing which works are in that
set? All I have are the sonatas etc. that Arlecchino (and others in the
case of the Diabelli) transferred and I've no idea what else, if any, she
recorded.

Simon

vladimir

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Nov 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/22/99
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>On 21 Nov 1999 15:49:48 GMT, "Alfredo Rivas" <ARI...@prodigy.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
>>Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
>>
I'll second others' posts recommending Solomon, Pollini, Gilels, and R.
Serkin. Schnabel is also a must, especially for his way with the slow
movement (but the fugue is just a swirling approximation.)
I've not heard Sokolov, Yudina, or P. Serkin.

Has ANYONE else heard Edith Vogel's Hammerklavier on BBC? Her technique is
not equal to certain others, but her obvious affinity for this piece and her
involvement in the performance are very convincing. She too does things in
the slow movement I've never heard elsewhere. I like her performance a lot.
(Not so much her Op. 111 though, where the affinity seems less and the
technical problems more.) WHO IS EDITH VOGEL?

- Phil Caron


Thomas Deas

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"Simon Roberts" <si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> Matthew Silverstein (matthew.s...@corpus-christi.oxford.ac.uk)
wrote:
>
> : Simon Roberts <si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> : >
> : > Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box:
Sokolov/Mobile
> : > Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A,
*Peter*
> : > Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
> : > Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
>
> : If you didn't confine yourself to discs available separately, which
> : recordings would you add, and how would they fit in the ones you've
listed?
>
> Hey, that's not fair; the point of excluding boxes was laziness on my
> part.... Actually, as it happens I'm not sure I would add many. Schnabel
> of course (with the usual caveat

You're cheating there; S is in a 3-disc set on Pearl, hardly a box.

salty dog

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On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:44:02 -0500, mt <m...@nospam.com> wrote:

snip,

>
>Lest I forget, Yves Nat plays this brilliantly (as he did everything he
>touched). His complete set is mandatory and ultracheap to boot. I don't
>recall Arrau's sixties performance well enough to endorse it right now.
>Time to dig up that box, I guess.

Is the Yves Nat EMI or ??? I have this on EMI vinyl, but would love
to find "ultracheap" on CD.

Tom Davenport
website admin, M&A
http://www.musicandarts.com

Donald Rice

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As near as I can decipher, aside from Sonatas 5,6,12,16,22,27,28,29,32
in the Beethoven box, there is the G Major concerto,#4, op.58, the
Choral Fantasia op. 80 and the Eroica Variations (which appear on her
Great Pianists of the 20th century album and I think are the same
recordings - I'll need to listen and compare.)
I also have another box of Yudina lps which include a Haydn sonata Hob.
XVI #52, Schumann's Fantasiestucke, a Liszt "Variations on a theme of
Bach", a series of Brahms Intermezzos, the "Handel Variations" and the
quartet #2 for piano and strings, A minor, op. 26.
That's besides the Sofronitsky recordings!
I have a new cd burner to exercise - I started with one cd of
Sofronitsky's Schubert, and two cds of Chopin pieces - all apparently
recorded live and "pirated" because Sofronitsky was "allergic" to the
recording studio. Contents of some are in English but not all and my
Russian is nonexistent, and a lot of the music is new to me. I'm having
a lot of fun though.

Simon Roberts

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Donald Rice (don...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: As near as I can decipher, aside from Sonatas 5,6,12,16,22,27,28,29,32

: in the Beethoven box, there is the G Major concerto,#4, op.58, the
: Choral Fantasia op. 80 and the Eroica Variations (which appear on her
: Great Pianists of the 20th century album and I think are the same
: recordings - I'll need to listen and compare.)

Thanks for the information; I think I have all those somehow or other.

Simon

Simon Roberts

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vladimir (vlad...@vermontel.com) wrote:

: Has ANYONE else heard Edith Vogel's Hammerklavier on BBC? Her technique is


: not equal to certain others, but her obvious affinity for this piece and her
: involvement in the performance are very convincing. She too does things in
: the slow movement I've never heard elsewhere. I like her performance a lot.
: (Not so much her Op. 111 though, where the affinity seems less and the
: technical problems more.) WHO IS EDITH VOGEL?

Haven't a clue; but I too have that disc and was pleasantly surprised by
it -- much better than most of their cover discs.

Simon

CBailis

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I listened to Solomon's performance for the first time the other day on Great
Pianists of the 20th Century and loved it. However, knowing my response to
Stephen Kovacevich's Beethoven and the fact that he's still in the process of
recording the complete cycle, my advice is also to buy a copy of his
Hammerklavier when it's issued. I find his interpretations of Beethoven
positively wonderful......gutsy, whimsical (yes, whimsical <g>), brimming with
life.

Andrew Maltz

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In article <819ccg$fj9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
him...@my-deja.com wrote:

But recently, I've been taken with a very different performance -
> Brendel's recent live recording on Philips. I know that Brendel is
> regarded in some quarters as bland and pedestrian - and so he does
tend
> to sound if you come to him immediately after the Pollini - but I have
> come increasingly to appreciate of late this self-effacing brand of
> musicianship: maybe it's just a sign of old age on my part! Certainly,
> there is a greater warmth to Brendel's recording:

It was Brendel's perfomance of this sonata on the Vox label that made me
fall in love with the Hammerklavier; I've heard all (or at least I think
so) his subsequent recordings and what I think was his final performance
of the work; I think he never surpassed the Vox version, which has all
eth qualities to which you refer, with a little more youthful vigor, and
it is available very cheaply in a Vox reissue (the last 6 sonatas for
about twelve dollars I think).

Andrew

jan winter

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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:16:44 GMT, Donald Rice <don...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I'm having a lot of fun though.

You certainly should have, sitting on this goldmine!
(In other words: I'm plainly jealous)

--
regards,

jan winter, amsterdam
(j.wi...@xs4all.nl)

music is the healing force of the universe
(Albert Ayler)

Leroy Curtis

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In article <81ck8l$t08$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>, Simon Roberts
<si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> writes

>Matthew Silverstein (matthew.s...@corpus-christi.oxford.ac.uk) wrote:
>
>: Simon Roberts <si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>: >
>: > Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
>: > Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
>: > Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
>: > Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
>
>: If you didn't confine yourself to discs available separately, which
>: recordings would you add, and how would they fit in the ones you've listed?
>
>Hey, that's not fair; the point of excluding boxes was laziness on my
>part.... Actually, as it happens I'm not sure I would add many. Schnabel
>of course (with the usual caveat), Nat probably, Gulda definitely (the
>performance on Amadeo, a wonderfully fleet affair throughout), Kuerti
>probably (if only for his outrageously but successfully long slow
>movement), maybe Heidsieck.
>
Largely on the recommendations I saw here, by you, Simon, and other
distinguished contributors, I bought Alfredo Perl's set on Arte Nova a
while ago. Believe it or not, this was actually my introduction to the
Hammerklavier, among others of this great body of works. I love it, but
how do you think Perl's performance stands up against the others you
mention here?
--
Regards

Leroy Curtis

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Neil

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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:16:44 GMT, Donald Rice <don...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a new cd burner to exercise - I started with one cd of
>Sofronitsky's Schubert, and two cds of Chopin pieces - all apparently
>recorded live and "pirated" because Sofronitsky was "allergic" to the
>recording studio. Contents of some are in English but not all and my

>Russian is nonexistent, and a lot of the music is new to me. I'm having


>a lot of fun though.

25 LPs of Sofronitsky is akin to an alcoholic being given a distillery for
xmas.

You are a lucky chap indeed.

Neil

Simon Roberts

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Leroy Curtis (le...@nospam.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: Largely on the recommendations I saw here, by you, Simon, and other


: distinguished contributors, I bought Alfredo Perl's set on Arte Nova a
: while ago. Believe it or not, this was actually my introduction to the
: Hammerklavier, among others of this great body of works. I love it, but
: how do you think Perl's performance stands up against the others you
: mention here?

I think it compares very favorably. What it lacks compared to such
favorites of mine as Peter Serkin and Yudina is a sense of high drama;
next to them, he (and most others) is a bit cool, but that's not really a
criticism, just a preference.

Simon

Bob Lombard

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This seems as good a time as any to ask: I have heard a rumor that there is
an Eschenbach recording of the Hammerklavier out there; is there any
substance to this rumor?

bl

Leroy Curtis

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In article <81gmmi$uq2$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>, Simon Roberts
<si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> writes
Thanks for the comments. I shall give Yudina a try; your description of
her slow movement in your earlier post sounds intriguing.

John Gavin

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Yes, Eschenbach did record the Hammerkavier for DG around 1968. I
remember the cover photo of him at the piano wearing fashionable
bell-bottom pants!!

him...@my-deja.com

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Thanks for that. I live in Britain, and I'm not sure if Brendel's Vox
recordings are available here, but I'll certainly have a look.

In article <81f10l$hed$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

John L Holubiak

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Eschenbach is one of my favorite pianists, and while I have several of his
DG lps, I would love to see his recordings (besides the Mozart) re-issued on
CD. But for some reason, DG has shown little interest in this artist. I
don't know if any of his recordings are available through MHS, but if not,
perhaps their re-issue is something MHS might consider.

John

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Thomas Deas

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>
>
> Thanks for that. I live in Britain, and I'm not sure if Brendel's Vox
> recordings are available here, but I'll certainly have a look.


They are.

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