DC
Gilels on DG, Richter live on Stradivari.
John Harkness
Just bought a surprisingly inexpensive 2CD (Vox) set of Horszowski of 3
sonatas including Hammerkalvier.
av
Solomon EMI?
(ducks)
Sokolov (originally on MK; reissued by Mobile Fidelity)
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bl
David Connor <D2...@webtv.net> wrote in article
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> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> that one can add to a CD library?
>
> DC
>
>
This is a hard sonata to pull out mainly because of the super human fugue
at the end. Schnabel nails the slow movement like no one else but his fugue
is almost unbearable. My personal choices are:
Richter on Praga-great sound for a live performance, and high intensity as
expected. Even his mistakes are worth hearing.
Gilels on DG- some people will find the outer movements too broad, but I
tend to like this. I'm a confessed Gilels fan.
Rosen- An excellent mini set on Sony of the late sonatas. Arguably the
best fugue on record.
There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
regards,
--
Alfredo E. Rivas
Guernica Films
ARI...@prodigy.net
The Arkadia CD is available at Berkshire.
But recently, I've been taken with a very different performance -
Brendel's recent live recording on Philips. I know that Brendel is
regarded in some quarters as bland and pedestrian - and so he does tend
to sound if you come to him immediately after the Pollini - but I have
come increasingly to appreciate of late this self-effacing brand of
musicianship: maybe it's just a sign of old age on my part! Certainly,
there is a greater warmth to Brendel's recording: compared to Pollini,
it is on a more human scale, and Pollini, for all his superhuman
virtuosity, does now sound a bit cold and aloof to me. Passages like
the recapitulation in the slow movement, or the D major episode towards
the end of the final movement, I find wonderfully eloquent and moving
in Brendel's recording.
In article <993-3837...@storefull-268.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
D2...@webtv.net (David Connor) wrote:
> Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata
#29
> that one can add to a CD library?
>
> DC
>
>
Rosen and Pollini pull off the last movement well; both of their cheap
twofers can, I think, be safely recommended, although I'm not sure either
is a first choice in the last five sonatas.
Clifford Ando ca...@usc.edu
Classics Department phone: (213) 740-3683
University of Southern California fax: (213) 740-7360
Los Angeles, CA 90089-0352
I also like the recording by Oppens on Music and Arts. Very beautifully
and strongly played.
The absolute best Hammerklavier I've heard was by Pollini, in concert.
He kicked up a tremendous storm. This, from a pianist who is usually
considered "cold"...
Lest I forget, Yves Nat plays this brilliantly (as he did everything he
touched). His complete set is mandatory and ultracheap to boot. I don't
recall Arrau's sixties performance well enough to endorse it right now.
Time to dig up that box, I guess.
Regards,
mt
My favorite is Gilels on DG. To bad Gilels did not live finish the
cycle.
Brian Cantin
To reply via email, be less negative.
I'll join you on the scaffold.
Also Richter (Praga).
But I really do think Solomon is better.
Paul Goldstein
>
>There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
>Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
>
>regards,
Mobile Fidelity sells it as a "cut out" for about $8.99 (MFCD 922). I
bought it from their website. I think its:
Good luck.
-david gable
Why won't it?
Henry Fogel
Because Sony appears to have abandoned its reissue programs?
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If true, that would mean we'll never hear Steuermann's Schoenberg recs
or the composer's own Pierrot on CD. (We've certainly waited long
enough, haven't we? Let's see...Sony introduced CD in 1983....)
Lowell S.
Like you, I prefer clean, understated performances ... the music
speaks for itself.
him...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've long been an aficionado of Pollini's volcanic account on DG. A few
> years ago, I heard him play this at the Royal Festival Hall, London,
> and it was the most thrilling piece of music-making I've heard.
>
> But recently, I've been taken with a very different performance -
> Brendel's recent live recording on Philips. .............
>Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
>that one can add to a CD library?
Sokolov is one of the few pianists who makes this peice work for me. Also
Solomon's recording.
>There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
>Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
Correction to the last post. The URL where one can purchase the
discontinued Sokolov Hammerklavier is:
FWIW, MoFi's reissue of Skrowaczewski's very good Bartok MSPC sounds
even better, to these ears, than the Vox original.
Lowell
Schoenberg's own recording of "Pierrot" was briefly available as a
Portrait issue in the late 1980s, or at any rate sometime during the
Gunther Breest era. Come back, Gunther, all is forgiven!
"David A. Fox" wrote:
> On 21 Nov 1999 15:49:48 GMT, "Alfredo Rivas" <ARI...@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >There are many that i haven't heard and I'm really curious abou them,
> >Sokolov (where can you find this?), Yudina...
> >
>
Yudina's is beyond belief, as eccentric now as the sonata must have seemed
when it was written. As always with Yudina: power like no one else.
Philip (but my favourite Hammerklavier is still Gilels)
Well, unfortunately, NOTHING is going to get "the Masterworks Heritage
treatment," since Sony has now killed the line, dead as a doornail.
That's the woeful point of the last several posts.
Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
Of those I would most hate to part with Yudina, Sokolov and Peter Serkin.
If you want a first movement that seriously attempts to follow Beethoven's
metronome marking, Rosen, Serkin, Levinas and, to a lesser extent, Guy,
Oppens and Pollini, all succeed. I should warn you that Yudina's has a
decidedly free, dramatic account of the slow movement which would
doubtless horrify the Penguin chaps.
Simon
Are you talking about Rosen's third and fairly recent recording of the
Hammerklavier (for what it's worth, my least favorite of his three)? People
used to say Rosen had attempted to match the tempo markings in the old Epic
recording, and Rosen always denied this. In the third recording, he
consciously attempted them. My main objection to the third Rosen Hammerklavier
is the awful banging sound he makes as he makes up for a certain natural loss
of dexterity through age by sheer force of will.
-david gable
-david gable
-david gable
So Sony did issue it! I stand corrected. Still, it, like the Steuermann,
deserves the Masterworks Heritage treatment.
Lowell
: Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
: Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
: Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
: Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
Is the Rudolf Serkin recording not available at all, not available
without buying a box, or do you just not like it?
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-- Wanda Landowska
: : Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
: : Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
: : Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
: : Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
: Is the Rudolf Serkin recording not available at all, not available
: without buying a box, or do you just not like it?
Don't like it much, though I don't dislike it to the extent I usually
dislike his recordings.
Simon
I think there are also some Debussy recordings by Rosen which you have
mentioned in the past. I wonder how much materialis unavailable right now
that deserves attention. Maybe a set of the Epic recordings wouldn't be a
bad idea. Wishful thinking?
regards,
--
Alfredo E. Rivas
Guernica Films
ARI...@prodigy.net
ManrayHawk <manra...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Sorry to be so slow to catch on. In light of that, I suppose the best we
can expect from them will be the kind of pointless reissues exemplified
by Sony's new Gould-Bach set -- "with the ORIGINAL COVERS restored"!
Yikes...
Original covers, along with original lack-of-couplings?
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Simon Roberts wrote:
>
> David Connor (D2...@webtv.net) wrote:
> : Any suggestions for a great performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata #29
> : that one can add to a CD library?
>
> Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
> Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
> Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
> Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
>
If you didn't confine yourself to discs available separately, which
recordings would you add, and how would they fit in the ones you've listed?
Matty
: Simon Roberts <si...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote in message
: >
: > Confining myself to discs you can add without buying a box: Sokolov/Mobile
: > Fidelity, Yudina/Arlecchino, Pollini/DG, Rosen/Sony, Oppens/M&A, *Peter*
: > Serkin/Pro Arte (LP only, HIP), Gilels/DG, Levinas/Ades, Guy/Harmonia
: > Mundi, and maybe Annie Fischer/Hungaroton.
: If you didn't confine yourself to discs available separately, which
: recordings would you add, and how would they fit in the ones you've listed?
Hey, that's not fair; the point of excluding boxes was laziness on my
part.... Actually, as it happens I'm not sure I would add many. Schnabel
of course (with the usual caveat), Nat probably, Gulda definitely (the
performance on Amadeo, a wonderfully fleet affair throughout), Kuerti
probably (if only for his outrageously but successfully long slow
movement), maybe Heidsieck.
Simon
1958, according to Arlecchino.
: From a friend, I have borrowed a set of Russian lp's of Yudina's
: Beethoven sonatas, including the Hammerklavier. The notes are in Russian
: and there are two dates under sonata #29.
Please report back. Also, would you mind listing which works are in that
set? All I have are the sonatas etc. that Arlecchino (and others in the
case of the Diabelli) transferred and I've no idea what else, if any, she
recorded.
Simon
Has ANYONE else heard Edith Vogel's Hammerklavier on BBC? Her technique is
not equal to certain others, but her obvious affinity for this piece and her
involvement in the performance are very convincing. She too does things in
the slow movement I've never heard elsewhere. I like her performance a lot.
(Not so much her Op. 111 though, where the affinity seems less and the
technical problems more.) WHO IS EDITH VOGEL?
- Phil Caron
You're cheating there; S is in a 3-disc set on Pearl, hardly a box.
snip,
>
>Lest I forget, Yves Nat plays this brilliantly (as he did everything he
>touched). His complete set is mandatory and ultracheap to boot. I don't
>recall Arrau's sixties performance well enough to endorse it right now.
>Time to dig up that box, I guess.
Is the Yves Nat EMI or ??? I have this on EMI vinyl, but would love
to find "ultracheap" on CD.
Tom Davenport
website admin, M&A
http://www.musicandarts.com
Thanks for the information; I think I have all those somehow or other.
Simon
: Has ANYONE else heard Edith Vogel's Hammerklavier on BBC? Her technique is
: not equal to certain others, but her obvious affinity for this piece and her
: involvement in the performance are very convincing. She too does things in
: the slow movement I've never heard elsewhere. I like her performance a lot.
: (Not so much her Op. 111 though, where the affinity seems less and the
: technical problems more.) WHO IS EDITH VOGEL?
Haven't a clue; but I too have that disc and was pleasantly surprised by
it -- much better than most of their cover discs.
Simon
But recently, I've been taken with a very different performance -
> Brendel's recent live recording on Philips. I know that Brendel is
> regarded in some quarters as bland and pedestrian - and so he does
tend
> to sound if you come to him immediately after the Pollini - but I have
> come increasingly to appreciate of late this self-effacing brand of
> musicianship: maybe it's just a sign of old age on my part! Certainly,
> there is a greater warmth to Brendel's recording:
It was Brendel's perfomance of this sonata on the Vox label that made me
fall in love with the Hammerklavier; I've heard all (or at least I think
so) his subsequent recordings and what I think was his final performance
of the work; I think he never surpassed the Vox version, which has all
eth qualities to which you refer, with a little more youthful vigor, and
it is available very cheaply in a Vox reissue (the last 6 sonatas for
about twelve dollars I think).
Andrew
>I'm having a lot of fun though.
You certainly should have, sitting on this goldmine!
(In other words: I'm plainly jealous)
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>I have a new cd burner to exercise - I started with one cd of
>Sofronitsky's Schubert, and two cds of Chopin pieces - all apparently
>recorded live and "pirated" because Sofronitsky was "allergic" to the
>recording studio. Contents of some are in English but not all and my
>Russian is nonexistent, and a lot of the music is new to me. I'm having
>a lot of fun though.
25 LPs of Sofronitsky is akin to an alcoholic being given a distillery for
xmas.
You are a lucky chap indeed.
Neil
: Largely on the recommendations I saw here, by you, Simon, and other
: distinguished contributors, I bought Alfredo Perl's set on Arte Nova a
: while ago. Believe it or not, this was actually my introduction to the
: Hammerklavier, among others of this great body of works. I love it, but
: how do you think Perl's performance stands up against the others you
: mention here?
I think it compares very favorably. What it lacks compared to such
favorites of mine as Peter Serkin and Yudina is a sense of high drama;
next to them, he (and most others) is a bit cool, but that's not really a
criticism, just a preference.
Simon
bl
Thanks for that. I live in Britain, and I'm not sure if Brendel's Vox
recordings are available here, but I'll certainly have a look.
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