Most underrated, overlooked and neglected conductors of all time

[gggg...@gmail.com]

Eugene Bigot?

Otto Ackermann?

[Randy Lane]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 3:31:53 PM UTC-7, gggg...@gmail.com wrote:
> Eugene Bigot?
>
> Otto Ackermann?

Daniell Revenaugh?

[sfr...@nycap.rr.com]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 5:31:53 PM UTC-5, gggg...@gmail.com wrote:
> Eugene Bigot?
>
> Otto Ackermann?

JoAnn Falletta?
David Alan Miller?

MIFrost

[Frank Berger]

René Köhler

[graham]

Georg Tintner

[Raymond Hall]

-JoAnn Falletta? 
-David Alan Miller? 

-MIFrost 

I agree about Falletta, especially in repertoire a bit off the beaten track. Miles ahead of her stable mate Alsop. Falletta actually seems to bend the music to her will, wheras Alsop seems dragged along by it.

Ray Hall, Taree

[Randy Lane]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 3:31:53 PM UTC-7, gggg...@gmail.com wrote:
> Eugene Bigot?
>
> Otto Ackermann?

Morton Gould comes to mind.

[JohnGavin]

Evgeni Svetlanov

[Ed Presson]

"Raymond Hall" wrote in message
news:5ed49abe-a089-4695...@googlegroups.com...

In my listening, Falletta has done some things very nicely; but other works
not so well. I concur about Alsop: except for a Takemitsu CD, I find most
of her recordings slack and unconvincing.

Ed Presson

[MELMOTH]

Ce cher mammifère du nom de gggg...@gmail.com nous susurrait, le
jeudi 18/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales
quand même, et dans le message
<dd47ee4e-e291-4529...@googlegroups.com>, les doux
mélismes suivants :

> Eugene Bigot?

> Otto Ackermann?

Hans Swarowsky
Hermann Scherchen
Edouard Lindernberg

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[gggg...@gmail.com]

According to the following:

- ...Morton Gould made some great classical records in those days, including Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherazade", Nielsen's 2nd Symphony, Ives's 1st Symphony, a Sibelius compendium, a Copland coupling of "Billy the Kid" and "Rodeo," a Vaughan Williams / Eric Coates collection and much else besides. He deserves a multi-CD RCA classical music boxed set all of his own.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.music.classical.recordings/%22Morton$20Gould$20made$20some$20great$20classical$20records$20in$20those$20days$2C$20including$20Rimsky-Korsakov$27s$20%22%7Csort:date/rec.music.classical.recordings/MpNkNP6zuzE/FqYAFiEGZn4J

[Marc P.]

Matacic
Mravinsky
Mitropoulos

[MELMOTH]

Ce cher mammifère du nom de MELMOTH nous susurrait, le samedi
20/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales quand
même, et dans le message <mn.a0177e21b...@free.fr>, les doux

mélismes suivants :

> Ce cher mammifère du nom de gggg...@gmail.com nous susurrait, le jeudi
> 18/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales quand même,
> et dans le message <dd47ee4e-e291-4529...@googlegroups.com>,
> les doux mélismes suivants :

>> Eugene Bigot?

>> Otto Ackermann?

> Hans Swarowsky
> Hermann Scherchen
> Edouard Lindernberg

Van Oterloo

[chriskh...@gmail.com]

There's a sort of vicious circle attached to underrated conductors. By the very fact of what they are, they usually conduct third string orchestras or, if they did occasionally conduct a first class one, probably no record remains, or they recorded only as accompanists. Appreciation of Swarowsky, Lindenburg and Ackermann (apart from the Philharmonia operetta recordings) is hindered by the conditions under which we are obliged to hear them, or by the incompleteness of the repertoire they set down. Add Perlea to this list.

A signal case is Vladimir Delman, whose work we virtually know only through off-air recordings with Italian radio orchestras, three of which (including his own in Milan) were teetering towards extinction. Listening through these obstacles, we can hear that his Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Berlioz and probably much else were up there with the best, but not everybody wants the bother of doing so.

Another question might be WHY some potentially great conductors never got beyond conducting third-rate orchestras. Just bad luck? Evil machinations by other conductors? In the case of Perlea and Delman, certain characterial issues seem to have made them their own worst enemies.

Lastly, Anatole Fistoulari's one recording with the Concertgebouw sounds like a great conductor at work, but most of his recordings with the London orchestras are just good-to-excellent. Underrated even so.

[HT]

> Van Oterloo

Perhaps not the "most" overlooked. He certainly deserves to be mentioned.

Henk

[Frank Berger]

On 1/19/2018 6:23 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
> Ce cher mammifère du nom de gggg...@gmail.com nous
> susurrait, le jeudi 18/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes
> ouvertes mais un peu sales quand même, et dans le message
> <dd47ee4e-e291-4529...@googlegroups.com>, les
> doux mélismes suivants :
>
>> Eugene Bigot?
>
>> Otto Ackermann?
>
> Hans Swarowsky
> Hermann Scherchen
> Edouard Lindernberg
>

People are no longer even bothering to say whether they
think conductors are under- or over- rated. We are reduced
to a random listing of names.

[Raymond Hall]

People are no longer even bothering to say whether they 
think conductors are under- or over- rated.  We are reduced 
to a random listing of names. 

Rather, it has become, 'who hasn't mentioned someone, that I can mention'.

Ray Hall, Taree

[richard...@gmail.com]

I can mention one. He introduced me to Mozart when he conducted (as a student) a student orchestra at the University of Southampton (UK). I lost contact with him some years later. Robert Frederick Hanson. It's a debt I really couldn't repay.

[gggg...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-10, MELMOTH wrote:
> Ce cher mammifère du nom de MELMOTH nous susurrait, le samedi
> 20/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales quand
> même, et dans le message <mn.a0177e21b...@free.fr>, les doux
> mélismes suivants :
>
> > Ce cher mammifère du nom de gggg...@gmail.com nous susurrait, le jeudi
> > 18/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales quand même,
> > et dans le message <dd47ee4e-e291-4529...@googlegroups.com>,
> > les doux mélismes suivants :
>
> >> Eugene Bigot?
>
> >> Otto Ackermann?
>
> > Hans Swarowsky
> > Hermann Scherchen
> > Edouard Lindernberg
>
> Van Oterloo

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.music.classical.recordings/brahms$204%7Csort:relevance/rec.music.classical.recordings/e_tQ9W9eZHU/EupMPamKAQAJ

[Alan Dawes]

In article <854db431-9f41-4f5d...@googlegroups.com>,

richard...@gmail.com <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 12:41:03 AM UTC-5, Raymond Hall wrote:
> > People are no longer even bothering to say whether they
> > think conductors are under- or over- rated. We are reduced
> > to a random listing of names.
> >
> > Rather, it has become, 'who hasn't mentioned someone, that I can
> > mention'.
> >

> I can mention one. He introduced me to Mozart when he conducted (as a
> student) a student orchestra at the University of Southampton (UK). I
> lost contact with him some years later. Robert Frederick Hanson. It's a
> debt I really couldn't repay.

Could he be:
http://www.boroughchamberchoir.org.uk/hanson.html

Alan

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[MELMOTH]

Ce cher mammifère du nom de Marc P. nous susurrait, le samedi

20/01/2018, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales quand
même, et dans le message

<db118274-08cf-4cea...@googlegroups.com>, les doux
mélismes suivants :

> Matacic
> Mravinsky
> Mitropoulos

Mravinsky and Mitropoulos are regularly re-released!...
OK for Matacic...

[richard...@gmail.com]

Thank you. He might indeed be the very same. He looks older of course, but perhaps less so than me. You know it's bad when people offer you seats on buses! Perhaps worse when they don't even ask for a ticket or pass- you are clearly old enough to have one!
Richard

[Frank Berger]

Having made fun of this and it's companion thread, I'm going to contribute.
About a week ago Anshel Brusilow passed away. Considering the quality of his
recordings as performer and conductor and the complete lack of news coverage, I
think he qualifies as underrated. Concertmaster of the Philadelphia Orchestra
under Ormandy, founder of the Philadelphia Chamber Orchestra, conductor of the
Dallas Symphony, professor at North Texas State University. I heard him conduct
several concerts by the Richardson (TX) Symphony at Richardson High School late
in his career. Not exactly the big time, but the concerts were enjoyable.
Among his outstanding recordings as conductor are a Haydn #60 and a Borodin #2.
Most of his recordings that have been available on cd were on private transfers.

[Adam Dubin]

I have wonderful Lps of him as violinist (Yardumian's Violin Concerto, with Ormandy/PO) and conductor with the Philadephia CO (Haydn's 60th, as you mention, b/w Cherubini's Symphony in D).

[Lawrence Kart]

Peter Maag

[mswd...@gmail.com]

In my view the most underrated conductor is Lawrence Eckerling!

My contribution to this very unscientific thread is ridiculous since I've never heard him conduct. But he used to be a regular poster in RMC/RMCR, so I'm grading on a curve. (I'm waiting for the Exckerling Conducts Sigurd album with notes by Albert Silverman, for those of you with memories.)

What's even more ridiculous is that he's the conductor of my own community orchestra. I just keep ending up at concerts by other ensembles.

[songst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 4:31:53 PM UTC-6, gggg...@gmail.com wrote:
> Eugene Bigot?
>
> Otto Ackermann?

Massimo Freccia

[Precious Roy]

Issay Dobrowen

[ways]

Most underrated Fabien Sevitzky

[gggg gggg]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 2:31:53 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> Eugene Bigot?
>
> Otto Ackermann?

Heinz Unger?:

https://utorontopress.com/us/mahler-s-forgotten-conductor-2