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ec38...@gmail.com
Nov 27, 2012, 12:12:06 PM11/27/12
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Another super box (with no surprises I may guess):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Symphony-Edition/dp/B00A7Q814Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354035882&sr=8-1
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Classical-Collection-Orchestral-Music_000000000065307/item_Wiener-Philharmoniker-Symphony-Edition-Abbado-Bernstein-Bohm-Giulini-Karajan-Levine_5250800
Abbado / Bernstein / Bohm / Giulini / Karajan / Levine
Alex.-
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Symphony-Edition/dp/B00A7Q814Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354035882&sr=8-1
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Classical-Collection-Orchestral-Music_000000000065307/item_Wiener-Philharmoniker-Symphony-Edition-Abbado-Bernstein-Bohm-Giulini-Karajan-Levine_5250800
Abbado / Bernstein / Bohm / Giulini / Karajan / Levine
Alex.-
td
Nov 27, 2012, 1:42:56 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 27, 12:12 pm, ec38m...@gmail.com wrote:
> Another super box (with no surprises I may guess):
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Symphony-Edition/dp/B00...
> Another super box (with no surprises I may guess):
>
>
> http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Classical-Collection-Orchestral-Music_...
>
> Abbado / Bernstein / Bohm / Giulini / Karajan / Levine
Clearly no "historical" material in this box. I would imagine that the
> Abbado / Bernstein / Bohm / Giulini / Karajan / Levine
box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
TD
Christopher Webber
Nov 27, 2012, 2:13:24 PM11/27/12
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On 27/11/2012 18:42, td wrote:
> I would imagine that the
> box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
> and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
Hardly, when all those CDs are nestling in little paper bags and with no
> I would imagine that the
> box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
> and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
individual notes. There's one booklet for the lot, and one box.
td
Nov 27, 2012, 2:45:45 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 27, 2:13 pm, Christopher Webber <zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net>
wrote:
The box looks far too large. It seems designed to hold jewel boxes
rather than paper-sleeves.
TD
wrote:
rather than paper-sleeves.
TD
J.Martin
Nov 27, 2012, 3:22:46 PM11/27/12
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>
> Clearly no "historical" material in this box. I would imagine that the
> box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
> and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
>
> TD
I think that when record companies put out sets like that, they're
> Clearly no "historical" material in this box. I would imagine that the
> box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
> and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
>
> TD
assuming most of their buyers will be people who give them as gifts.
"Oh, this would be nice for grandpa, he loves classical music!" I
don't think they're trying to reach people who are interested in the
individual performances. Otherwise, they might put some thought into
what they put in there, rather than just throwing in a laundry list of
items almost anyone with even a passing interest in the VPO will
already own.
Christopher Webber
Nov 27, 2012, 3:39:39 PM11/27/12
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On 27/11/2012 19:45, td wrote:
> The box looks far too large. It seems designed to hold jewel boxes
> rather than paper-sleeves.
Maybe so. We're both guessing. But 50 jewel cases in a row would come it
> The box looks far too large. It seems designed to hold jewel boxes
> rather than paper-sleeves.
at around 20 inches, which would make it singularly cumbersome for
loaded tourists wanting to pick up a nice souvenir at the Musikverein
which won't inflate their luggage bills.
Goodness only knows who else will want to buy the thing....
td
Nov 27, 2012, 4:28:38 PM11/27/12
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I think it is slated for January release.
TD
td
Nov 27, 2012, 4:29:50 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 27, 3:39 pm, Christopher Webber <zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net>
wrote:
I have the Brahms Box downstairs. Looks identical to this one.
TD
wrote:
TD
Christopher Webber
Nov 27, 2012, 4:56:07 PM11/27/12
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On 27/11/2012 21:28, td wrote:
> You have seen this box? Or is this a guess?
A guess, of course.
> You have seen this box? Or is this a guess?
Going on the photo alone, given the CD-size dimensions of the ends I'd
guess the box would be about 15 or so inches long. Therefore it cannot
contain 50 jewel cases, which would come in at around 22 inches allowing
space for a booklet. Thin-pak cases at best, methinks; cardboard sleeves
at worst.
Notes, in four languages, telling us how mesmerising conductors x, y and
z were but little about the music, in a lavish, gold-tooled booklet with
print too small to read.
A guess, then; but at least as sound a bet (in my opinion) as Frankel
was in the Champion Stakes!
Alex Brown
Nov 27, 2012, 4:56:26 PM11/27/12
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Box content listed here:
http://is.gd/f37fSr
Trying to work out if the new material to duplication ratio makes it
work acquiring ...
There was a previous WP anniversary set of some kind from DG I think - I
have a live Karajan Bruckner 9 and a Schuricht Bruckner 6 from it. That
kind of "rare" live material would have been much more interesting in
this box I think, in the mode of the Concertgebouw history boxes.
- Alex.
http://is.gd/f37fSr
Trying to work out if the new material to duplication ratio makes it
work acquiring ...
There was a previous WP anniversary set of some kind from DG I think - I
have a live Karajan Bruckner 9 and a Schuricht Bruckner 6 from it. That
kind of "rare" live material would have been much more interesting in
this box I think, in the mode of the Concertgebouw history boxes.
- Alex.
jrsnfld
Nov 27, 2012, 5:09:14 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 27, 1:56 pm, Alex Brown <a...@adjb.net> wrote:
A Schuricht Bruckner 5--one of the best recordings to be had of that
work. I'd love to hear a Schuricht Bruckner 6!
That DG anniversary set was fantastic through and through--the
Klemperer, Knappertsbusch, and Walter selections were among the other
standouts. Too bad more live boxes like that haven't followed, but
fortunately (in the case of the Vienna Philharmonic) we are not short
of live recordings to enjoy, thanks to Orfeo, Music and Arts, Andante,
and others.
---Jeff
work. I'd love to hear a Schuricht Bruckner 6!
That DG anniversary set was fantastic through and through--the
Klemperer, Knappertsbusch, and Walter selections were among the other
standouts. Too bad more live boxes like that haven't followed, but
fortunately (in the case of the Vienna Philharmonic) we are not short
of live recordings to enjoy, thanks to Orfeo, Music and Arts, Andante,
and others.
---Jeff
ec38...@gmail.com
Nov 27, 2012, 5:09:36 PM11/27/12
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Bob Harper
Nov 27, 2012, 6:31:49 PM11/27/12
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won't hold my breath.
Bob Harper
Steve de Mena
Nov 27, 2012, 7:59:25 PM11/27/12
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【50CDs】
Wiener Philharmoniker Symphony Edition (Limited Edition)
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine, etc.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756 - 1791)
CD 1
[1]-[3] Symphony No.1 in E flat, K.16
[4]-[6] Symphony No.4 in D, K.19
[7]-[9] Symphony in F, K.App.223
[10]-[12]Symphony No.5 in B flat, K.22
[13]-[15]Symphony No.7a in G, K.App. 221, "Alte Lambacher"
Richard Fuller, Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:00:46]
CD 2
[1]-[4] Symphony No.6 in F, K.43
[5]-[8] Symphony No.7 in D, K.45
[8]-[12] Symphony No.8 in D, K.48
[13]-[16]Symphony No.9 in C, K.73
Richard Fuller, Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [57:37]
CD 3
[1]-[3] Symphony No.10 in G, K.74
[4]-[6] Symphony No.11 in D, K.84
[7]-[10] Symphony No.12 in G, K.110
[11]-[14]Symphony No.13 in F, K.112
Richard Fuller, Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [53:48]
CD 4
[1]-[4] Symphony No.14 in A, K.114
[5]-[8] Symphony No.15 in G, K.124
[9]-[11] Symphony No.16 in C, K.128
[12]-[14]Symphony No.17 in G, K.129
Richard Fuller, Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:07:44]
CD 5
[1]-[4] Symphony No.18 in F, K.130
[5]-[8] Symphony No.19 in E flat, K.132
[9]-[12] Symphony No.20 in D, K.133
Richard Fuller, Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:14:59]
CD 6
[1]-[4] Symphony No.21 in A, K.134
[5]-[7] Symphony No.22 in C, K.162
[8]-[10] Symphony No.23 in D, K.181
[11]-[13]Symphony No.24 in B flat, K.182
[14]-[17]Symphony No.25 in G minor, K.183
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:13:47]
CD 7
[1]-[3] Symphony No.27 in G, K.199
[4]-[7] Symphony No.28 in C, K.200
[8]-[11] Symphony No.29 in A, K.201
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:13:12]
CD 8
[1]-[3] Symphony No.26 in E flat, K.184
[4]-[7] Symphony No.30 in D, K.202
[8]-[10] Symphony No.31 in D, K.297 "Paris"
[11]-[14]Symphony No.39 in E flat, K.543
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:16:35]
CD 9
[1]-[3] Symphony No.32 in G, K.318 (Overture in G)
[4]-[7] Symphony No.33 in B flat, K.319
[8]-[10] Symphony No.34 in C, K.338
[11]-[14]Symphony No.35 in D, K.385 "Haffner"
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:12:16]
CD 10
[1]-[4] Symphony No.36 in C, K.425 "Linz"
[5]-[7] Symphony No.38 in D, K.504 "Prague"
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:16:40]
CD 11
[1]-[4] Symphony No.40 in G minor, K.550
[5]-[8] Symphony No.41 in C, K.551 "Jupiter"
Wiener Philharmoniker, James Levine
Total Playing Time [1:16:38]
Franz Joseph Haydn (1732 - 1809)
CD 12
[1]-[4] Symphony No.88 in G Major, Hob.I:88
[5]-[8] Symphony No.89 in F Major, Hob.I:89
[9]-[12] Symphony No.90 in C Major, Hob.I:90
Wiener Philharmoniker, Karl Böhm
Total Playing Time [1:13:31]
CD 13
[1]-[4] Symphony No.91 in E-flat Major, Hob.I:91
[5]-[8] Symphony No.92 in G Major, Hob.I:92 "Oxford"
[9]-[11] Sinfonia concertante in B flat, H.I No.105
Wiener Philharmoniker, Karl Böhm
Total Playing Time [1:18:37]
Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)
CD 14
[1]-[4] Symphony No.1 in C, Op.21
[5]-[8] Symphony No.3 in E flat, Op.55 "Eroica"
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:20:01]
CD 15
[1]-[4] Symphony No.2 in D, Op.36
[5]-[8] Symphony No.4 in B flat, Op.60
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [1:08:54]
CD 16
[1]-[4] Symphony No.5 in C minor, Op.67
[5]-[8] Symphony No.7 in A, Op.92
Wiener Philharmoniker, Carlos Kleiber
Total Playing Time [1:11:58]
CD 17
[1]-[5] Symphony No.6 in F, Op.68 "Pastoral"
[6]-[9] Symphony No.8 in F, Op.93
Wiener Philharmoniker, Karl Böhm
Total Playing Time [1:13:05]
CD 18
[1]-[5] Symphony No.9 in D minor, Op.125 "Choral"
Gwyneth Jones, Hanna Schwarz, René Kollo, Kurt Moll,
Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor, Norbert Balatsch, Wiener
Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:10:51]
Franz Schubert (1797 - 1828)
CD 19
[1]-[4] Symphony No.3 in D, D.200
[5]-[6] Symphony No.8 in B minor, D.759 "Unfinished"
Wiener Philharmoniker, Carlos Kleiber
[7]-[10] Symphony No.5 in B flat, D.485
Wiener Philharmoniker, Karl Böhm
Total Playing Time [1:14:28]
CD 20
Gesang der Geister über den Wassern, D.714
[1] 2nd version for 8-part male chorus and string orchestra
Wiener Philharmoniker, John Eliot Gardiner, Male Voices of the
Monteverdi Choir
[2]-[5] Symphony No.9 in C, D.944 "The Great"
Wiener Philharmoniker, John Eliot Gardiner
Total Playing Time [1:04:00]
Felix Mendelssohn (1809 - 1847)
CD 21
[1]-[4] Symphony No.4 in A, Op.90 "Italian"
[5]-[8] Symphony No.5 in D minor, Op.107 "Reformation"
[9]-[11] Symphony No.4 in A, Op.90 "Italian" revised version (1834)
Wiener Philharmoniker, John Eliot Gardiner
Total Playing Time [1:16:28]
Robert Schumann (1810 - 1856)
CD 22
[1]-[4] Symphony No.1 in B flat, Op.38 "Spring"
[5]-[8] Symphony No.2 in C, Op.61
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:16:05]
CD 23
[1]-[5] Symphony No.3 in E flat, Op.97 "Rhenish"
[6]-[9] Symphony No.4 in D minor, Op.120
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:07:09]
Johannes Brahms (1833 - 1897)
CD 24
[1]-[4] Symphony No.1 in C minor, Op.68
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [52:06]
CD 25
[1]-[4] Symphony No.2 in D, Op.73
[5] Academic Festival Overture, Op.80
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [58:50]
CD 26
[1]-[4] Symphony No.3 in F, Op.90
Wiener Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini
[5]-[8] Symphony No.4 in E minor, Op.98
Wiener Philharmoniker, Carlos Kleiber
Total Playing Time [1:20:10]
Anton Bruckner (1824 - 1896)
CD 27
[1]-[4] Symphony No.1 in C minor
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [48:29]
CD 28
[1]-[4] Symphony No.4 in E flat major "Romantic" (Version 1878/1880)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [1:08:19]
CD 29
[1]-[4] Symphony No.5 in B flat major (ed.Leopold Nowak)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [1:11:50]
CD 30
[1]-[4] Symphony No.7 in E major (Ed. Haas)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time [1:06:06]
CD 31
[1]-[4] Symphony No.8 in C minor (Ed. Haas)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time [1:22:56]
CD 32
[1]-[3] Symphony No.9 in D minor (Ed. Leopold Nowak)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini
Total Playing Time [1:08:19]
Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840 - 1893)
CD 33
[1]-[4] Symphony No.4 in F minor, Op.36
Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time [43:05]
CD 34
[1]-[4] Symphony No.5 in E minor, Op.64
Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time [48:11]
CD 35
[1]-[4] Symphony No.6 in B minor, Op.74 "Pathétique"
Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time [45:42]
Antonín Dvorák (1841 - 1904)
CD 36
[1]-[4] Symphony No.6 in D, Op.60
[5]-[8] Symphony No.7 in D minor, Op.70
Wiener Philharmoniker, Myung-Whun Chung
Total Playing Time [1:16:38]
CD 37
[1]-[4] Symphony No.8 in G, Op.88
[5]-[8] Symphony No.9 in E minor, Op.95 "From the New World"
Wiener Philharmoniker, Lorin Maazel
Total Playing Time [1:18:04]
Gustav Mahler (1860 - 1911)
CD 38
Symphony No.2 in C minor "Resurrection"
[1]-[5] I: Allegro maestoso (Totenfeier)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [22:21]
CD 39
Symphony No.2 in C minor "Resurrection"
[1]-[5] II: Andante moderato
[6]-[8] III: (Scherzo)
[9] IV: "Urlicht"
[10]-[20]V: Im Tempo des Scherzo
Waltraud Meier, Cheryl Studer, Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado,
Arnold Schoenberg Chor, Erwin Ortner
Total Playing Time [1:04:42]
CD 40
Symphony No.3 in D minor
[1]-[7] Part 1
[8]-[15] Part 2
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [1:00:41]
CD 41
Symphony No.3 in D minor
[1]-[9] Part 2
Jessye Norman, Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado,
Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor, Wiener Sängerknaben,
Norbert Balatsch
Total Playing Time [41:54]
CD 42
[1]-[4] Symphony No.4 in G
Frederica von Stade, Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado, Gerhart
Hetzel
Total Playing Time [57:44]
CD 43
[1]-[5] Symphony No.5 in C sharp minor
Friedrich Pfeiffer, Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:14:45]
CD 44
[1]-[4] Symphony No.6 in A minor
Wiener Philharmoniker, Pierre Boulez
Total Playing Time [1:19:23]
CD 45
[1] Symphony No.10 in F sharp (unfinished)
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Symphony No.8 in E flat "Symphony of a Thousand"
[2]-[9] Part One: Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus"
Margaret Price, Judith Blegen, Trudeliese Schmidt, Agnes Baltsa,
Kenneth Riegel, Hermann Prey, José van Dam, Wiener Philharmoniker,
Leonard Bernstein, Rudolf Scholz, Wiener Sängerknaben, Uwe Theimer,
Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor, Walter Hagen-Groll, Wiener
Singverein, Helmut Froschauer
Total Playing Time [50:16]
CD 46
Symphony No.8 in E flat "Symphony of a Thousand"
[1]-[17] Part Two: Final scene from Goethe's "Faust"
Margaret Price, Judith Blegen, Trudeliese Schmidt, Agnes Baltsa,
Kenneth Riegel, Hermann Prey, José van Dam, Wiener Philharmoniker,
Leonard Bernstein, Rudolf Scholz, Konzertvereinigung Wiener
Staatsopernchor, Walter Hagen-Groll, Wiener Singverein, Helmut
Froschauer, Wiener Sängerknaben, Uwe Theimer
Total Playing Time [59:02]
CD 47
Symphony No.9 in D
[1]-[9] I. Satz
[10]-[16]II. Satz
[17]-[23]III. Satz
[24]-[31]IV. Satz
Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time [1:19:34]
Jean Sibelius (1865 - 1957)
CD 48
[1]-[4] Symphony No.1 in E minor, Op.39
[5]-[8] Symphony No.5 in E flat, Op.82
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:16:59]
CD 49
[1]-[4] Symphony No.2 in D, Op.43
[5]-[9] Symphony No.7 in C, Op.105
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:16:26]
Dmitri Shostakovich (1906 - 1975)
CD 50
[1]-[3] Symphony No.6 in B minor, Op.54
[4]-[8] Symphony No.9 in E flat, Op.70
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time [1:05:03]
Steve
maready
Nov 27, 2012, 8:15:56 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 27, 7:59 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Classical-Collection-Orchestral-Music_...
> ...
>
> read more »
Well, I think it's safe to say that this will be packaged in sleeves,
not jewel boxes! I guess they'll throw anything, no matter how
precious it was once considered, into a mega-box now ---- makes me
feel queasily bulimic just reading the listing.
> On 11/27/12 9:12 AM, ec38m...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Another super box (with no surprises I may guess):
>
> >http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Symphony-Edition/dp/B00...
>
> > Another super box (with no surprises I may guess):
>
>
> >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Classical-Collection-Orchestral-Music_...
>
> read more »
Well, I think it's safe to say that this will be packaged in sleeves,
not jewel boxes! I guess they'll throw anything, no matter how
precious it was once considered, into a mega-box now ---- makes me
feel queasily bulimic just reading the listing.
td
Nov 28, 2012, 5:40:32 AM11/28/12
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TD
Steve de Mena
Nov 28, 2012, 2:02:42 PM11/28/12
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On 11/27/12 12:22 PM, J.Martin wrote:
>>
>> Clearly no "historical" material in this box. I would imagine that the
>> box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
>> and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
>>
>> TD
>
> I think that when record companies put out sets like that, they're
> assuming most of their buyers will be people who give them as gifts.
I don't think so.
>>
>> Clearly no "historical" material in this box. I would imagine that the
>> box will sell at a discount and that retailers will throw the box away
>> and sell the CDs at mid price, netting a bit more profit.
>>
>> TD
>
> I think that when record companies put out sets like that, they're
> assuming most of their buyers will be people who give them as gifts.
Steve
Christopher Ingham
Nov 28, 2012, 2:54:37 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 27, 4:56 pm, Alex Brown <a...@adjb.net> wrote:
It's a bit heavy on the Bruckner and Mahler, and light on the Haydn
(but maybe those like myself who have little Bruckner and Mahler might
find this collection to be a useful addition).
Christopher Ingham
Christopher Ingham
(but maybe those like myself who have little Bruckner and Mahler might
find this collection to be a useful addition).
Christopher Ingham
Christopher Ingham
jrsnfld
Nov 28, 2012, 2:58:53 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 28, 11:54 am, Christopher Ingham
I found it a bit light on the Mahler, actually. You get all the
Beethoven, Schumann and Brahms symphonies, but only some of the
Mahler? What's the world coming to? :-)
Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
selection?
--Jeff
Beethoven, Schumann and Brahms symphonies, but only some of the
Mahler? What's the world coming to? :-)
Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
selection?
--Jeff
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Christopher Ingham
Nov 28, 2012, 4:44:33 PM11/28/12
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fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
mine).
Christopher Ingham
Mark S
Nov 28, 2012, 4:58:20 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 28, 1:44 pm, Christopher Ingham <christophering...@comcast.net>
Well raison d'etre for the box is that the recordings were done by the
Vienna Phil. Plus, it's on DG. How much Haydn have they recorded for
DG?
Vienna Phil. Plus, it's on DG. How much Haydn have they recorded for
DG?
Christopher Ingham
Nov 28, 2012, 5:06:31 PM11/28/12
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Christopher Webber
Nov 28, 2012, 6:17:31 PM11/28/12
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On 28/11/2012 19:54, Christopher Ingham wrote:
> It's a bit heavy on the Bruckner and Mahler, and light on the Haydn
Conversely, under Böhm one might just as accurately say that it's
> It's a bit heavy on the Bruckner and Mahler, and light on the Haydn
*heavy* on the Haydn!
Christopher Ingham
Nov 28, 2012, 7:55:47 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 28, 6:17 pm, Christopher Webber <zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net>
wrote:
> *heavy* on the Haydn!
I wouldn't expect that -- for years many of his Mozart symphonies were
rated highly.
wrote:
> On 28/11/2012 19:54, Christopher Ingham wrote:
>
> > It's a bit heavy on the Bruckner and Mahler, and light on the Haydn
>
> Conversely, under B hm one might just as accurately say that it's
>
> > It's a bit heavy on the Bruckner and Mahler, and light on the Haydn
>
> *heavy* on the Haydn!
I wouldn't expect that -- for years many of his Mozart symphonies were
rated highly.
Steve de Mena
Nov 28, 2012, 11:16:13 PM11/28/12
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On 11/28/12 1:44 PM, Christopher Ingham wrote:
>> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
>> selection?
>>
> A more generously sampling his last two dozen symphonies would be
> fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
> mine).
>
> Christopher Ingham
>
Did the VPO record the symphonies in stereo that you'd like to see
>> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
>> selection?
>>
> A more generously sampling his last two dozen symphonies would be
> fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
> mine).
>
> Christopher Ingham
>
included?
Steve
jrsnfld
Nov 28, 2012, 11:20:07 PM11/28/12
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disc set of live performances of Haydn symphonies, and lo and behold,
No. 22 is in there, conducted by Mehta (from January 1972):
http://www.amazon.com/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Performs-Haydn-Symphonies/dp/B0034P538W/
Sometimes dreams do come true! :-)
--Jeff
Johannes Roehl
Nov 29, 2012, 3:36:46 AM11/29/12
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Bernstein is about all there is, I guess. DG had the London set with
Karajan/Berlin and Jochum/London, the Paris set with Karajan and a small
bunch of earlier symphonies with the Orpheus Chamber orchestra.
jrsnfld
Nov 29, 2012, 4:02:29 AM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 12:36 am, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:
> Am 29.11.2012 05:20, schrieb jrsnfld:
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> > On Nov 28, 8:16 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/28/12 1:44 PM, Christopher Ingham wrote:
>
> >>>> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
> >>>> selection?
>
> >>> A more generously sampling his last two dozen symphonies would be
> >>> fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
> >>> mine).
>
> >>> Christopher Ingham
>
> >> Did the VPO record the symphonies in stereo that you'd like to see
> >> included?
>
> > Maybe not in the studio, but the VPO released on its own label a three-
> > disc set of live performances of Haydn symphonies, and lo and behold,
> > No. 22 is in there, conducted by Mehta (from January 1972):
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Performs-Haydn-Symphonies...
> Am 29.11.2012 05:20, schrieb jrsnfld:
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> > On Nov 28, 8:16 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/28/12 1:44 PM, Christopher Ingham wrote:
>
> >>>> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
> >>>> selection?
>
> >>> A more generously sampling his last two dozen symphonies would be
> >>> fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
> >>> mine).
>
> >>> Christopher Ingham
>
> >> Did the VPO record the symphonies in stereo that you'd like to see
> >> included?
>
> > Maybe not in the studio, but the VPO released on its own label a three-
> > disc set of live performances of Haydn symphonies, and lo and behold,
> > No. 22 is in there, conducted by Mehta (from January 1972):
>
>
> > Sometimes dreams do come true! :-)
>
> yes, but as far as Stereo DG recordings go, the little B hm and
> > Sometimes dreams do come true! :-)
>
> Bernstein is about all there is, I guess. DG had the London set with
> Karajan/Berlin and Jochum/London, the Paris set with Karajan and a small
> bunch of earlier symphonies with the Orpheus Chamber orchestra.
DG also had Abbado's and Barenboim's Haydn in Stereo (and Pinnock if
> Karajan/Berlin and Jochum/London, the Paris set with Karajan and a small
> bunch of earlier symphonies with the Orpheus Chamber orchestra.
you count Archiv as a close cousin)--none of them with the Vienna
Philharmonic, either. But you're right: They must have been so smug
about having Rosbaud, Lehmann, and Fricsay in mono that they forgot to
keep making recordings when the stereo era arrived! :-)
--Jeff
Gerard
Nov 29, 2012, 5:02:40 AM11/29/12
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Christopher Ingham <christop...@comcast.net> typed:
Wasn't that by those who like their Mozart heavy?
jrsnfld
Nov 29, 2012, 5:41:58 AM11/29/12
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Jokes about Bohm's Haydn may be well deserved--I haven't heard those symphony recordings in ages. But his Seasons (with the Vienna Symphony) doesn't strike me as leaden or thick or heavy from an orchestral or interpretive standpoint. Maybe the chorus is slightly big.
--Jeff
--Jeff
td
Nov 29, 2012, 5:50:42 AM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 3:36 am, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:
> Am 29.11.2012 05:20, schrieb jrsnfld:
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>
> > On Nov 28, 8:16 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/28/12 1:44 PM, Christopher Ingham wrote:
>
> >>>> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
> >>>> selection?
>
> >>> A more generously sampling his last two dozen symphonies would be
> >>> fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
> >>> mine).
>
> >>> Christopher Ingham
>
> >> Did the VPO record the symphonies in stereo that you'd like to see
> >> included?
>
> > Maybe not in the studio, but the VPO released on its own label a three-
> > disc set of live performances of Haydn symphonies, and lo and behold,
> > No. 22 is in there, conducted by Mehta (from January 1972):
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Wiener-Philharmoniker-Performs-Haydn-Symphonies...
> Am 29.11.2012 05:20, schrieb jrsnfld:
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> > On Nov 28, 8:16 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/28/12 1:44 PM, Christopher Ingham wrote:
>
> >>>> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
> >>>> selection?
>
> >>> A more generously sampling his last two dozen symphonies would be
> >>> fair, as well as any number of the others (No. 22 is a favorite of
> >>> mine).
>
> >>> Christopher Ingham
>
> >> Did the VPO record the symphonies in stereo that you'd like to see
> >> included?
>
> > Maybe not in the studio, but the VPO released on its own label a three-
> > disc set of live performances of Haydn symphonies, and lo and behold,
> > No. 22 is in there, conducted by Mehta (from January 1972):
>
>
> > Sometimes dreams do come true! :-)
>
> yes, but as far as Stereo DG recordings go, the little B hm and
> > Sometimes dreams do come true! :-)
>
> Bernstein is about all there is, I guess.
Unless I am wrong, the Bernstein children would have difficulty in
seeing their daddy's recordings mixed up with all those other famous
conductors. DG's hands may have been tied by contract restrictions.
TD
Christopher Webber
Nov 29, 2012, 10:31:10 AM11/29/12
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On 29/11/2012 00:55, Christopher Ingham wrote:
> I wouldn't expect that -- for years many of his Mozart symphonies were
> rated highly.
So were his Haydn symphonies: but to many ears nowadays (including my
> I wouldn't expect that -- for years many of his Mozart symphonies were
> rated highly.
own) my old LPs of KB in that classical repertoire sound impossibly
weighty and stolid. It may be fashion, but even today's "mainstream"
approach to Haydn is infinitely lighter and more airy than anything KB
could have conceived. In a word, those recordings have dated badly.
wkasimer
Nov 29, 2012, 10:57:34 AM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 10:31 am, Christopher Webber
for quite a while), and while it's certainly "big band" Haydn, I
wouldn't call call them "heavy" or "stolid", although they're
certainly less transparent than, say, Bruggen, and might be described
as "weighty". Symphonies 88-92 are pretty underrecorded and
underappreciated, so I'm glad to have Boehm's set, if only for
contrast to the current fashion. And I say this as someone who
genuinely detests Boehm's Mozart, which I generally find heavy,
stolid, and charmless.
Bill
<zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
> So were his Haydn symphonies: but to many ears nowadays (including my
> own) my old LPs of KB in that classical repertoire sound impossibly
> weighty and stolid.
I've heard those Haydn recordings (they've been available from Japan
> So were his Haydn symphonies: but to many ears nowadays (including my
> own) my old LPs of KB in that classical repertoire sound impossibly
> weighty and stolid.
for quite a while), and while it's certainly "big band" Haydn, I
wouldn't call call them "heavy" or "stolid", although they're
certainly less transparent than, say, Bruggen, and might be described
as "weighty". Symphonies 88-92 are pretty underrecorded and
underappreciated, so I'm glad to have Boehm's set, if only for
contrast to the current fashion. And I say this as someone who
genuinely detests Boehm's Mozart, which I generally find heavy,
stolid, and charmless.
Bill
Mark S
Nov 29, 2012, 11:43:11 AM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 2:02 am, "Gerard" <g-nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Christopher Ingham <christophering...@comcast.net> typed:
I guess I'm one of the few who still enjoys Bohm's Mozart cycle, as
well as his Mozart opera recordings.
I don't find his renditions all that heavy. My problems with Bohm's
Mozart lie in his tendency to break longish phrases down into their
component parts, which can make the music seem a bit note-y at times.
Other than that, they still sparkle for me to a great extent.
> Christopher Ingham <christophering...@comcast.net> typed:
well as his Mozart opera recordings.
I don't find his renditions all that heavy. My problems with Bohm's
Mozart lie in his tendency to break longish phrases down into their
component parts, which can make the music seem a bit note-y at times.
Other than that, they still sparkle for me to a great extent.
Mark S
Nov 29, 2012, 11:48:11 AM11/29/12
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be paired up with those of other conductors on the same CD, but that
they could be included as part of a larger set as long as LB didn't
share space with someone else on a CD in the set.
Also, I wonder how many of these restrictive clauses continue in
perpetuity. I remember that Karajan had a clause with Sony about his
video productions that they could not be recoupled from the wat they
appeared on their first release on VHS and LD, AND that they had to be
re-released in every new video format that came around. Well, the
recordings have been recoupled and none of K's videos have appeared on
Bluray.
Perhaps the Bernstein estate is taking a less-pedantic view these days
when it comes to the secondary exploitation of his recordings.
jrsnfld
Nov 29, 2012, 11:57:32 AM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 8:48 am, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> IIRC, there was a contractual provision that LB's recordings couldn't
> be paired up with those of other conductors on the same CD, but that
> they could be included as part of a larger set as long as LB didn't
> share space with someone else on a CD in the set.
That's interesting, because on Sony CDs LB has shared space with
>
> IIRC, there was a contractual provision that LB's recordings couldn't
> be paired up with those of other conductors on the same CD, but that
> they could be included as part of a larger set as long as LB didn't
> share space with someone else on a CD in the set.
Schippers, Szell, Ormandy, etc.
--Jeff
Gerard
Nov 29, 2012, 12:34:08 PM11/29/12
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jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> typed:
Maybe that contract only to applied to Bernstein's DG recordings (like td
suggested).
suggested).
Mark S
Nov 29, 2012, 12:50:00 PM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 9:34 am, "Gerard" <g-nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> typed:
Could be.
For example, my experience at both MHS and the BMG Club was that
Itzhak Perlman had different clauses in the EMI and DG contracts.
Perlman considered EMI to be his primary record label, so he had
personal OK over any EMI title's release through a record club. The
thing is, he always gave approval.
His DG contract had no such provision. On paper, his DG recordings
were as open for record club release as any other artist. Thing is,
the approval person at DG (Wolfgang Sedat) often dragged his feet on
approving Perlman for club release, adding months to the date we could
release his DG records through the clubs.
> jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> typed:
For example, my experience at both MHS and the BMG Club was that
Itzhak Perlman had different clauses in the EMI and DG contracts.
Perlman considered EMI to be his primary record label, so he had
personal OK over any EMI title's release through a record club. The
thing is, he always gave approval.
His DG contract had no such provision. On paper, his DG recordings
were as open for record club release as any other artist. Thing is,
the approval person at DG (Wolfgang Sedat) often dragged his feet on
approving Perlman for club release, adding months to the date we could
release his DG records through the clubs.
jrsnfld
Nov 29, 2012, 1:07:14 PM11/29/12
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On Nov 29, 9:34 am, "Gerard" <g-nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> typed:
CDs. "td" was vague on this point (DG's "hands were tied"), implying
that Bernstein could not have been included in the Symphony Edition
box at all, which is obviously not true, or that only his Haydn
recordings were not permissible, which indeed would be quite strange
considering the inclusion of so many other Bernstein recordings in
that box.
Anyway, obviously the Columbia contract was different, which is all I
was pointing out.
--Jeff
Herman
Nov 29, 2012, 1:28:14 PM11/29/12
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I have no problems with Böhm's Mozart (and I have Harnoncourt's too.)
Norman Schwartz
Nov 29, 2012, 6:57:25 PM11/29/12
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Mark S wrote:
>
> I don't find his renditions all that heavy. My problems with Bohm's
> Mozart lie in his tendency to break longish phrases down into their
> component parts, which can make the music seem a bit note-y at times.
"Too many notes...just cut a few."
>
> I don't find his renditions all that heavy. My problems with Bohm's
> Mozart lie in his tendency to break longish phrases down into their
> component parts, which can make the music seem a bit note-y at times.
Al Eisner
Nov 30, 2012, 4:50:50 PM11/30/12
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the Abbado (I can't recall having heard any of his, so I don't know).
And each of them does have a lot of "weight".
> Seriously, though, which Haydn recordings would you have added to the
> selection?
>
> --Jeff
Al Eisner
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