Muraro's Rachmaninoff / Schafer's D'Indy
Rugby
( Liszt, Albeniz,Chopin) , and as I need a modern sound Rachmaninoff
Op.16 "Moments Musicaux", wondered if anyone here was familiar with
Muraro's recording from about 1999 ( coupled with the Rach 2nd
Sonata,Corellis) ? Thanks !
Any of the skeptics here ( at RMCR ?!?!) acquire Schafer's D'Indy
Piano Sonata, the "great" French piano sonata ?
Regards, Rugby
HvT
There is nothing wrong with Muraro's Rachmaninov Moments Musicaux,
Sonata and Corellis. I've never revisited the CD. The competition is
immense.
Henk
Rugby
> There is nothing wrong with Muraro's Rachmaninov Moments Musicaux,
> Sonata and Corellis. I've never revisited the CD. The competition is
> immense.
>
Thanks, and indeed. So often one is confronted with a new pianist in
duplicative, standard repetoire ; or a new pianist in unfamiliar,but
third-rate repetoire; only rarely a new pianist in "new" repetoire
that holds interest, Schafer's D'Indy cd being an example for me of
the last category. But I do need a Rach "Moments" as the one I have is
a wonderful performance, but 1956 Berman pirated from Melodyia by
Murray Hill not in the best sound, and I can support Muraro thusly,
and would be interested to see what this Messiaen specialist does with
these Rachs. Muraro did take 3rd in the 1986 Tchaikovsky so the
Russians must have liked his playing of the Russians.
Regards, and Vrolijk Kerstfeest and Een gelukkig Nieuwjaar voor
iedeneen !
Rugby
Josquin
> immense.
>
> Henk
I was wondering if folks have a recommendation for the Rachmaninoff
Preludes and the Sonata? I have the Ashkenazy Twofer and while this
is certainly well played, there is virtually no attempt at
interpretation. The Richters on Youtube show how much more there is to
this music than Ashkenazy finds!
HvT
> Regards, and Vrolijk Kerstfeest and Een gelukkig Nieuwjaar voor
> iedeneen !
>
> Rugby
Mijn dank! And seconded!
Best regards,
Henk
HvT
> Regards, and Vrolijk Kerstfeest and Een gelukkig Nieuwjaar voor
> iedeneen !
>
> Rugby
Mijn dank! And I second Rugby's wishes to all of you!
Best regards,
Henk
Rugby
> I was wondering if folks have a recommendation for the Rachmaninoff
> Preludes and the Sonata?
For the Preludes ( as with most great music you'll need more than one)
which are actually available and which I have heard :
Any by Richter ( he did not record them complete,alas), Fiorentino
(complete) on APR, Rodriguez on his label Elan.Per others
reccomendations here I have not heard, Nebolsan on Naxos. IMHO,avoid
Weissenberg, but others here would disagree.
(Constance Keen , but LOOP.)
For the 1st Sonata, the sine qua non is John Ogdon's from the 60's,
but hard to find as I do not believe it has yet made cd ( once again
RCA screws Rachmaninoff).YT ? So, Fiorentino on APR ( paired with a
marvelous Scriabin 4th Sonata) , Rodriguez again, and the late John
Browning.
For the 2nd Sonata, Fiorentino, Van Cliburn,Ogdon 60's which did make
it to cd, Dimitry Ratser ( the original 1931 version),Horowitz, and
Joseph Villa's over the top, the last hard to find,on YT ?
FWW,FYI.
Regards, Rugby
Rugby
PS : I had a chance to hear a recent radio broadcast live recital by
this young pianist Marouan Benabdallah playing the Rachmaninoff 1st
Sonata :
http://www.marouan.org/main_en.html
Moroccan mother, Hungarian father,spends a lot of time in Paris , I
was very impressed with his mature beyond years,sweeping reading of
the 1st Sonata, a real "competitor" to the others mentioned earlier
here, as well as the Debussy and Schubert he offered; watch for him to
record more Rachmaninoff as he has the 2nd, 3rd concerti in his active
repetoire.His slow mov. of the 1st Sonata, the focal point of the
work, could hardly be faulted. FWW.
Regards, Rugby
HvT
> On Dec 20, 3:42 pm, Josquin <josqui...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if folks have a recommendation for the Rachmaninoff
>> Preludes and the Sonata?
>
> For the Preludes ( as with most great music you'll need more than one)
> which are actually available and which I have heard :
>
> Any by Richter ( he did not record them complete,alas), Fiorentino
> (complete) on APR, Rodriguez on his label Elan.Per others
> reccomendations here I have not heard, Nebolsan on Naxos. IMHO,avoid
> Weissenberg, but others here would disagree.
Nebolsin would be an excellent choice for a complete set.
> (Constance Keen , but LOOP.)
>
> For the 1st Sonata, the sine qua non is John Ogdon's from the 60's,
> but hard to find as I do not believe it has yet made cd ( once again
> RCA screws Rachmaninoff).YT ? So, Fiorentino on APR ( paired with a
> marvelous Scriabin 4th Sonata) , Rodriguez again, and the late John
> Browning.
If I ever wanted to hear the first sonata again, it would be the one by
Weissenberg. It's an amazingly controlled and yet passionate
performance.
> For the 2nd Sonata, Fiorentino, Van Cliburn,Ogdon 60's which did make
> it to cd, Dimitry Ratser ( the original 1931 version),Horowitz, and
> Joseph Villa's over the top, the last hard to find,on YT ?
In Cliburn's hands the second sonata sounds like a masterpiece. Horowitz
offers a more volatile version.
Henk
td
> > On Dec 20, 3:42 pm, Josquin <josqui...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> I was wondering if folks have a recommendation for the Rachmaninoff
> >> Preludes and the Sonata?
>
> > For the Preludes ( as with most great music you'll need more than one)
> > which are actually available and which I have heard :
>
> > Any by Richter ( he did not record them complete,alas), Fiorentino
> > (complete) on APR, Rodriguez on his label Elan.Per others
> > reccomendations here I have not heard, Nebolsan on Naxos. IMHO,avoid
> > Weissenberg, but others here would disagree.
>
> Nebolsin would be an excellent choice for a complete set.
Correct.
> > For the 1st Sonata, the sine qua non is John Ogdon's from the 60's,
> > but hard to find as I do not believe it has yet made cd ( once again
> > RCA screws Rachmaninoff).YT ? So, Fiorentino on APR ( paired with a
> > marvelous Scriabin 4th Sonata) , Rodriguez again, and the late John
> > Browning.
>
> If I ever wanted to hear the first sonata again, it would be the one by
> Weissenberg. It's an amazingly controlled and yet passionate
> performance.
Correct.
>
> > For the 2nd Sonata, Fiorentino, Van Cliburn,Ogdon 60's which did make
> > it to cd, Dimitry Ratser ( the original 1931 version),Horowitz, and
> > Joseph Villa's over the top, the last hard to find,on YT ?
>
> In Cliburn's hands the second sonata sounds like a masterpiece. Horowitz
> offers a more volatile version.
Also correct.
A triple-score. Please collect $200. and advance past go to Park
Place.
Incidentally, Lazar Berman spent his life playing the Moments
musicaux. Any of his readings will do. Unfortunately the DG
performance is not available on CD, I believe, or no longer. A great
pity as I recall it being very fine. And beautifully recorded (if not
at an audiophile level - Note to SE)
TD
Rugby
> Incidentally, Lazar Berman spent his life playing the Moments
> musicaux. Any of his readings will do. Unfortunately the DG
> performance is not available on CD, I believe, or no longer. A great
> pity as I recall it being very fine. And beautifully recorded (if not
> at an audiophile level - Note to SE
Quite agree. I have one of his from 1956 or 1958 , but at one time
Aura Classics had a live recital version from an Italian recital in
the 70's or 80's (?).
Rugby
Rugby
> at one time
> Aura Classics had a live recital version from an Italian recital in
> the 70's or 80's (?).
>
And Amazon US still has some used Aura ones,with great reviews. As
well as a new 3-cd set of Berman's complete "L'Annes" on DGG for US$10
plus s&h !
Rugby
Rugby
> > If I ever wanted to hear the first sonata again, it would be the one by
> > Weissenberg. It's an amazingly controlled and yet passionate
> > performance.
>
> Correct.
>
After hearing Weissenberg's Preludes, I'd be slow to listen to him in
any more Rachmaninov, but with TD and Henk in accord here,perhaps. AW
surpasses Ogdon,Fiorentino in the 1st Sonata ?
Regards, Rugby
td
His Preludes are fascinating, if more than a little intimidating.
Pianistically, he is quite extraordinary. But this is not the warm
treacle bath that most people expect in Rachmaninoff, that's for sure.
In many ways Weissenberg does to Rachmaninoff what Rachmaninoff did to
Chopin's Funeral March Sonata.
TD
Bob Lombard
What Weissenberg does for the Chopin Nocturnes is make their
sentiments darker, and I think stronger. What Weissenberg does for the
Rachmanninoff Preludes is remove their souls.
bl
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Rugby
> His Preludes are fascinating, if more than a little intimidating.
> Pianistically, he is quite extraordinary. But this is not the warm
> treacle bath that most people expect in Rachmaninoff, that's for sure.
> In many ways Weissenberg does to Rachmaninoff what Rachmaninoff did to
> Chopin's Funeral March Sonata.
>
The Funeral March Sonata can respond well to some of such treatment ;
the Rach Preludes ,with individual exceptions, do not. For me. But
I'll see if I can come across a cheap AW 1st Sonata.
Thanks for your comments.
Rugby
Rugby
> Heard a Muraro recital recently ( from 2007 ) and was very impressed
> ( Liszt, Albeniz,Chopin) , and as I need a modern sound Rachmaninoff
> Op.16 "Moments Musicaux", wondered if anyone here was familiar with
> Muraro's recording from about 1999 ( coupled with the Rach 2nd
> Sonata,Corellis) ? Thanks !
Received Muraro's 1999 cd of the Corellis, 2nd Sonata, Op.16 Moments
Musicaux ( the first post-Dahl ?).
One of the more enjoyable cd's I've heard for awhile.While Muraro can
perhaps be faulted for occaisionally underplaying the emotion and
drama ( as in the first mov. of the Sonata, or Moments # 6),Muraro's
performances present a carefully thought-out view of a more
introverted,private,sensitive composer, yet lavishing his skills on
colorations, nuances and range of tempii and dynamics, not always
heard from other pianists. Whereas Moments #6 and the finale of the
Sonata are often a headlong rush in other hands, Muraro makes a strong
case for a more structured, temperate, yet engrossing momentum.Moments
#5 and the Andante of the Sonata become hushed reveries with no trace
of the overly-sacchrine, Moments # 1 Monet in Moscow, Muraro's
kaleidoscopic yet contemplative Corellis holding my attention
throughout more so than my other Corellis (Rodriguez,
Keene,Ratser).In all these performances completely original moments
that surprised me, even if not always convincing me, leading to
anticipation what the following bars would reveal.I shall return to
this cd often, a pity his only solo Rachmaninoff (?).
Lazar Berman's 1983 live performance in Italy of this work in on its
way to me; suspect will make quite a contrast.Whether Berman more
interesting or convincing remains to be heard.
Regards, Rugby
Rugby
. What Weissenberg does for the
> Rachmanninoff Preludes is remove their souls.
>
Agreed.Well said.
Rugby
td
> . What Weissenberg does for the
>
> > Rachmanninoff Preludes is remove their souls.
If you can remove the soul of music by playing it, it doesn't have any
to begin with.
TD
Bob Lombard
The Deacon Soul Rule does not have universal support, even if it seems
that way in Moose Corners.
td
wrote:
> td wrote:
> >> On Dec 22, 7:42 am, Bob Lombard <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net> wrote:
> >> . What Weissenberg does for the
>
> >>> Rachmanninoff Preludes is remove their souls.
>
> > If you can remove the soul of music by playing it, it doesn't have any
> > to begin with.
>
> > TD
>
> The Deacon Soul Rule does not have universal support, even if it seems
> that way in Moose Corners.
Islam also doesn't have universal support. Neither does Judaism. Or
Buddhism. Or Christianity.
You can believe whatever you want, Bob.
TD
Bob Lombard
Tom. Are you sure you can handle the gaff?
td
> td wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 12:10 pm, Bob Lombard <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net>
> > wrote:
> >> td wrote:
> >>>> On Dec 22, 7:42 am, Bob Lombard <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net> wrote:
> >>>> . What Weissenberg does for the
> >>>>> Rachmanninoff Preludes is remove their souls.
> >>> If you can remove the soul of music by playing it, it doesn't have any
> >>> to begin with.
> >>> TD
> >> The Deacon Soul Rule does not have universal support, even if it seems
> >> that way in Moose Corners.
>
> > Islam also doesn't have universal support. Neither does Judaism. Or
> > Buddhism. Or Christianity.
>
> > You can believe whatever you want, Bob.
>
> > TD
>
> Equating your 'soul rule' with those of major religions a big stretch,
> Tom. Are you sure you can handle the gaff?
Depends upon how seriously you take religion, I suppose.
Frankly, I take music much more seriously.
TD
Bob Lombard
My religion is a great comfort to me, but it doesn't require a frown.
Music is a pleasure, sometimes a thrill, sometimes brings tears (late
Beethoven mostly), but if it has pretensions of 'seriosity' beyond
sentimentality, it has to make its case very, very well. I rely on
prose and poetry for the philosophically serious stuff. The real world
and its inmates provide enough of the gut-clenching kind.