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Zubin Mehta: His Best and Worst?

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SevenSeas

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Jul 11, 2001, 4:44:20 AM7/11/01
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In his early years, I think Mehta was a promising conductor. There are a
number of powerful performances in his past, especially in his VPO and
Los Angeles PO years. Recently I listened his Mahler Second and Third,
Holst Planets, and Mussorgsky Pictures and I'm surprised there's a big
difference with his later recordings. It seems something declined about
his understanding of music...Alas, Many of his early recordings waiting
for reissue...

Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

Raymond Hall

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As reasonably good as Mehta's Mahler 2nd is, to me it has a rough-hewn
quality about it that doesn't quite make the A+ grade, and I never think of
him as a conductor capable of the finest of finesses. More suited to
Beethoven's orchestral works imho. Incidentally, on Eloquence, especially
the Australian series, there are quite a few of Mehta's earlier recordings
already issued. Avoid the Liszt tone poems (I found them awful but I suspect
it was Liszt). Can't speak for most of the others.

Beethoven PCs 1 and 4 - Lupu/Israel PO
Beethoven PC 2, and Creatures of Prometheus - Lupu/Israel PO
Beethoven PC 5, plus sonatas Op.49 1/2 and rondos - Lupu/Israel PO
Berlioz Harold in Italy/Bloch Voice in Wilderness - Starker/Benyamini/Israel
PO
Brahms PC 1 - Rubinstein/Israel PO + 4 Ballades by Katchen
Copland Fanfare, Appalachian - LAPO, Gershwin Rhapsody etc., by
Maazel/Cleveland
Dvorak symphony 7, + 2 overtures - Israel and LAPO orchestras
Dvorak symphonies 8 and 9 - LAPO
Elgar Enigma vars and Cello concerto - LAPO and Harrell/Maazel/Cleveland
Ives symphonies 1 and 2, Variations - LAPO
Liszt 4 tone poems - LAPO
Mahler symphony 4, + Lohengrin - Hendricks/Israel PO and VPO
Mahler symphony 5 - LAPO
Mussorgsky Pictures, piano and orch (Ravel) versions - Ashkenazy and LAPO
Nielsen symphony 4, Scriabin Poem d'Extase - LAPO
Ravel orch pieces with Mehta/LAPO doing Daphnis and Bolero, Monteux/LSO the
rest
Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherezade, Capriccio - LAPO and Israel PO
Schubert symph 1- Israel PO, + Kna, Kertesz, Boskovsky in Schubert
miscellany
Schubert symphony 9 - Israel PO
Strauss (Richard) Eine Alpensinfonie - LAPO
Strauss (Richard) Heldenleben, Rosenkavalier seq - LAPO and Maazel/VPO
Stravinsky Rite of Spring and Petrouchka - LAPO
Tchaikovsky 1812, March Slav, Romeo, Capriccio, Fantasy - LAPO and Israel PO

Some of the above are well worth considering, although I doubt whether any
of the above would necessarily be anyone's favourite recording, but I could
be wrong.
Basically, from what I have observed, he later went on to accompany the 3
tenors. Nuff said.

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Alan Cooper

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> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

His Turandot still sounds great to me.

AC


Kalman Rubinson

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:53:16 +1000, "Raymond Hall"
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>.....he later went on to accompany the 3 tenors. Nuff said.

That would make a great obit.

Kal

Will Vaughan

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Don't really care for much of the Mehta I've heard except the Schmidt
4th symphony that was coupled with his Mahler 2nd (which I found to
be OK, not as great as some have said) on a Decca Double Decker.
Perhaps its because I don't have another version of the Schmidt
to compare Mehta's version with.

Will


Sol L. Siegel

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SevenSeas mu...@superonline.com writes:

>Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

I like his Schmidt 4th, which has had a couple of CD incarnations.

-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
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Jonathan Yungkans

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The VPO Mahler Second is pretty spectacular stuff, second only to
Bernstein/NYPO. Have heard goood things about his Mahler Third but
have never heard it. There was also a Bruckner 9 that was supposed to
be out of this world, which has never been issued on CD to the best of
my knowledge. I was a little disappointed when I heard the LP a few
years ago but may have had Giuliini/CSO too firmly in my ears at the
time to really appreciate it.

jy

JRsnfld

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<<There was also a Bruckner 9 that was supposed to
be out of this world, which has never been issued on CD to the best of
my knowledge.>>

It's out there somewhere on CD.

I don't know if anyone will agree, but I think his VPO Schumann cycle had some
virtues--the Rhenish is quite good. The Schubert with Israel was pretty good,
and I may be alone in finding the playing of the IPO very beautiful in Mehta's
recent Mahler recordings on Teldec. Perhaps as an interpreter he's slipped from
his LA days, but the playing he gets with "old-world" orchestras can sometimes
be ravishing.

--Jeff

horizon

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> <<There was also a Bruckner 9 that was supposed to
> be out of this world, which has never been issued on CD to the best of
> my knowledge.>>
>
> It's out there somewhere on CD.

The Bruckner 9 is available on the Australian Eloquence line. I just
received mine last week. Not sure what I thought of it, since I haven't had
an opportunity to do any critical listening. I remember liking the
performance twenty years ago, however.


audiophilia.com

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> "SevenSeas" <mu...@superonline.com> wrote in message
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> > Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

Early Mehta - Varese with the LAPO. Benchmark stuff.
Later Mater - as accompanist with the BPO on Sony - Bartok concertos with
Midori. I love this album.

Other than some of the early Deccas, not a great fan.

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Commspkmn

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mcarn...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
<< The Bruckner 9 is available on the Australian Eloquence line. I just
received mine last week. Not sure what I thought of it, since I haven't had
an opportunity to do any critical listening. I remember liking the
performance twenty years ago, however. >>

I purchased mine as a Belart CD (461 3572 10).
Ken Meltzer


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His best is "The Planets" although Wilky's engineering of this recording
adds much to the performance, especially the mic(s) over, nearby, Roger
Bobo!

Our recording of this with the Cape Symphony under Royston Nash several
years ago
using Decca Tree recording techniques resulted in similar, if not stunning
effects.

Pierre

www.sd-associates.com


Lani Spahr

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"Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.comjunkfree> wrote in message
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> SevenSeas mu...@superonline.com writes:
>
> >Any opinions about Mehta recordings?
>
> I like his Schmidt 4th

A hearty second on that one. Still my favorite recording of that piece.

--
Cheers,
Lani Spahr

Bruckner Symphony Versions Discography
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Simon Roberts

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On 11 Jul 2001 09:24:10 -0700, Jonathan Yungkans <jony...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>The VPO Mahler Second is pretty spectacular stuff, second only to
>Bernstein/NYPO. Have heard goood things about his Mahler Third but
>have never heard it. There was also a Bruckner 9 that was supposed to
>be out of this world, which has never been issued on CD to the best of
>my knowledge. I was a little disappointed when I heard the LP a few
>years ago but may have had Giuliini/CSO too firmly in my ears at the
>time to really appreciate it.

Let alone the Giulini recording on DG with the same orchestra....
Intrigued by all the fuss, and generally liking his Vienna/LA recordings
on Decca, I bought the Belart CD release of his VPO 9th and was
disappointed too; not bad, but I couldn't hear anything special in it
either.

Simon

David7Gable

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Hard to know what happened to Mehta. He turned in some really exceptional
performances in the 1960's. He was as good then as he is tedious now, although
I have heard a couple of riveting live broadcasts over the years.

In any case, Mehta's echt Viennese recording of Schoenberg's Variations for
Orchestra is in a class by itself, far better and far more distinctively shaped
than the recordings of Solti, Karajan, or Boulez (either one), although the
virtuosity and security of the orchestral playing in Solti's CSO performance is
pretty remarkable and Boulez's first recording in particular is rather good.
But to hear the piece played with intensity and feeling, to hear each phrase
individually shaped in the grand manner and with a real sense off style, to
hear the piece played with a flexibility attuned to the characters of the
various variations, and to hear violinists who sound Viennese, turn to Mehta.
Compared to Mehta, Solti, Karajan, and Boulez are simply irrelevant. Mehta
here belongs in the company of Rosbaud, Mitropoulos, Scherchen, and Maderna.

I should add that Mehta's recording is part of a budget Decca/London 2-fer, a
compilation of Mehta and Dohnanyi Schoenberg recordings culled from the Decca
catalogue. This 2-fer provides a good cross section of Schoenberg's work, and
none of the performances of either conductor are bad, although Mehta's
Variations is the standout.

-david gable

Thomas Müthing

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SevenSeas schrieb:

His recording of Schmidt's 4th is pretty great.

As for the bad ones: There are tons of undistinguished recordings from this
conductor, not least his terrible Le Sacres, a piece he admits he doesn't
like, but the worst I got is his set of Brahms Symphonies with the Israel
Philharmonic. Second-rate orchestra, third-rate, jaded interpretation.

Thomas

HenryFogel

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Among his finest recordings also stands the DG "Fanciulla del West" --
stunningly conducted I believe. Others have mentioned Schmidt 4th.
Henry Fogel

Todd Kay

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In the "best" list, I'll add the late-sixties Il Trovatore on RCA with L.
Price, Domingo, Cossotto, and Milnes, although be forewarned -- it really
sounds as awful as everyone says (horrible distortion in the loud bits, or when
Price sings high, and besides, all the singers sound as if they're sealed in an
old drum). One of the worst-sounding postwar major-label productions I've ever
encountered, at least in the issue of it that I have, but the virtues of the
performance (including the conducting) make it worth having.

Todd Kay

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>>and besides, all the singers sound as if they're sealed in an
old drum<<

I was going for "oil drum," but I suppose it works either way...

GPGennaro

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The Bruckner 9th (Mehta/VPO) is
really worth seeking out. It's now
available from Buywell.com in Australia
along with many other Mehta/Decca
reissues. They're at budget price (less
than US$5) and, even with postage,
are very affordable.

Matthew B. Tepper

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SevenSeas <mu...@superonline.com> wrote in news:muroz-
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Notwithstanding the fact that many people in Los Angeles would doubtless
happily buy Mehta's London/Decca recordings with our orchestra if these
were available here, they are not available. Except in Australia.

Kwis Woberts, Universal Classics supremo, has to be one dumb cookie. Dawk!

Mehta, for his part in the persecution of Susan McDougall, has the strange
distinction of being the only conductor who can perform _Fidelio_ from the
perspective of Rocco. After all, McDougal's late husband died a political
prisoner, just as Pizarro would have wished on Florestan. The ill effect
on us is that there was a settlement in McDougal's civil case against the
Mehtas, so we can look forward to lots of Three Clowns and Bocelli crap
with his imprimatur. Fortunately this should spare us the unlikely, but
even more unpleasant spectacle of Mehta conducting Smetana's _Dalibor_.

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"audiophilia.com" <publ...@audiophilia.com> wrote in
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>> "SevenSeas" <mu...@superonline.com> wrote in message
>> news:muroz-FB7741....@east.usenetserver.com...
>
>> > Any opinions about Mehta recordings?
>
> Early Mehta - Varese with the LAPO. Benchmark stuff.
> Later Mater - as accompanist with the BPO on Sony - Bartok concertos with
> Midori. I love this album.
>
> Other than some of the early Deccas, not a great fan.

What about the even earlier Vox recordings?

dk

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"also sprach SevenSeas..."

The 1964(?) Bruckner 9th with the VPO
and the 1971(?) Mahler 1st with the IPO
are very good.


dk


dk

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"also sprach Alan Cooper..."

which part did he sing?


dk


dl

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"also sprach Jonathan Yungkans..."

>
> There was also a Bruckner 9 that was supposed to
> be out of this world, which has never been issued
> on CD to the best of my knowledge.
>

It is not out of this world, but it is very good.
Only Furty and Celibidache are out of this world
in Bruckner's 9th.


dk


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In article <20010711151112...@ng-mo1.aol.com>, David7Gable <david...@aol.com> wrote:
:
:
: Hard to know what happened to Mehta. He turned in some really exceptional

: performances in the 1960's. He was as good then as he is tedious now,
: although I have heard a couple of riveting live broadcasts over the years.

I wonder if he hasn't simply overextended himself. Even though he is the
Music Director For Life of the Israel Philharmonic, he only conducts 2-3
times a year here, and he frequently seems to be about as awake as most
of the audience, i.e., not very. And the performances frequently show it.

: In any case, Mehta's echt Viennese recording of Schoenberg's Variations for
: Orchestra is in a class by itself. . .

On the other hand, since I've been here, he's done Schoenberg a couple of
times, and the performances have been really top notch. He also did a
quite acceptable Mahler 3d (although his Mahler 5th was pretty awful).

-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
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-- Wanda Landowska

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In article <aj937.51$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:

: Notwithstanding the fact that many people in Los Angeles would doubtless
: happily buy Mehta's London/Decca recordings with our orchestra if these
: were available here, they are not available. Except in Australia.

I'll have to double check, but I could have sworn that I saw at least
one of them here in Israel.

-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----

"We cannot see how any of his music can long survive him."
-- From the New York Daily Tribune obituary of Gustav Mahler

sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il

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In article <aj937.51$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:

: Mehta, for his part in the persecution of Susan McDougall, has the strange
: distinction of being the only conductor who can perform _Fidelio_ from the
: perspective of Rocco.

He is, I believe, also the only conductor whose wife was lusted after by
Captain Kirk.

-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----

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George Murnu

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[snip]

>
> I don't know if anyone will agree, but I think his VPO Schumann cycle had some
> virtues--the Rhenish is quite good.

Was this ever available on CD?

Thanks,

George

Frank Berger

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SevenSeas wrote:

> In his early years, I think Mehta was a promising conductor. There are a
> number of powerful performances in his past, especially in his VPO and
> Los Angeles PO years. Recently I listened his Mahler Second and Third,
> Holst Planets, and Mussorgsky Pictures and I'm surprised there's a big
> difference with his later recordings. It seems something declined about
> his understanding of music...Alas, Many of his early recordings waiting
> for reissue...
>

> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

Not a big fan, but these two come to mind:

Turandot

Berlioz, Harold in Italy coupled with Bloch, A Voice in the Wilderness
on Decca Eloquence, available in Australia, or from Seaford Music.

Matthew B. Tepper

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dk <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
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If memory serves, he conducted the London/Decca recording in which various
roles are sung by Joan Sutherland, Luciano Pavarotti, Montserrat Caballé,
Nicolai Ghiaurov, and Sir Peter Pears.

I can only think of one recorded performance of Mehta actually playing a
musical instrument, and it has in fact been available as a video, not as
simply a sound recording. I know which work was performed, and with which
other musicians. Can you identify it too?

Matthew B. Tepper

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<sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in news:9ij8k3$26g$3...@news.huji.ac.il:

> In article <aj937.51$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew

> B. Tepper <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>: Notwithstanding the fact that many people in Los Angeles would
>: doubtless happily buy Mehta's London/Decca recordings with our
>: orchestra if these were available here, they are not available.
>: Except in Australia.
>
> I'll have to double check, but I could have sworn that I saw at least
> one of them here in Israel.

That's as may be, but they are not available here in Los Angeles.

Matthew B. Tepper

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<sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in news:9ij8n1$26g$4...@news.huji.ac.il:

> In article <aj937.51$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew

> B. Tepper <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>: Mehta, for his part in the persecution of Susan McDougall, has the
>: strange distinction of being the only conductor who can perform
>: _Fidelio_ from the perspective of Rocco.
>
> He is, I believe, also the only conductor whose wife was lusted after
> by Captain Kirk.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kovack,+Nancy

David7Gable

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>>His Turandot still sounds great to me.
>
>which part did he sing?
>

The Emperor Altoum?

-david gable

David7Gable

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>In the "best" list, I'll add the late-sixties Il Trovatore on RCA with L.
>Price, Domingo, Cossotto, and Milnes, although be forewarned -- it really
>sounds as awful as everyone says

I hate to express a dissenting opinion, but I think Mehta is the weakest link
here. I don't find him especially dynamic, distinctive, or persuasive here.

-david gable

Todd Kay

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Matthew B. Tepper wrote:

>I can only think of one recorded performance of Mehta actually playing a
>musical instrument, and it has in fact been available as a video, not as
>simply a sound recording. I know which work was performed, and with which
>other musicians. Can you identify it too?

I think he handles the bass part of the Schubert "Trout" Quintet with DuPre,
Barenboim, et al, in a film from the late sixties. Right?

Matthew B. Tepper

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david...@aol.com (David7Gable) wrote in
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No, that part was sung for the recording by Sir Peter Pears. Rumor has it
that it was originally planned for Giovanni Martinelli, but he either died
(or was still alive but indisposed) at the time originally scheduled for
his sessions. Further rumor has it that the producers then asked Giacomo
Lauri-Volpi, advanced in years but still singing (not terribly well, but
with ringing high notes, as I had once heard on an LP of songs and arias he
recorded in his late 70s for Italian RCA), but that worthy turned it down
because, he said, he only sang lead roles! Only then did the role go to
Pears (yes, I know, at that time not yet knighted).

Isn't this more than you ever expected?

Matthew B. Tepper

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That's the one!

Frank Berger

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"Matthew B. Tepper" wrote:

Wasn't it the bass wilth Du Pre, Barenboim, Zukerman (?) and Perlman?
Playing Schubert's Trout Quintet maybe.

I've had a sort of irrational liking for Du Pre forever, but had never
seen a
video of her playing. Then one day, flipping around the channels, I
came
across the above. It took a couple of seconds for it to sink in what I
was looking at, but when it dawned on me I was very excited. I recall
a spirited performance, do I not? I only saw it once.

JRsnfld

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Jul 12, 2001, 3:15:17 AM7/12/01
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<<t is not out of this world, but it is very good.
Only Furty and Celibidache are out of this world
in Bruckner's 9th.>>

Maybe I'm easy--the piece is so good it's hard not to be out of this world if
one does a decent job with it. Schuricht certainly reached great heights with
it, and so did Van Beinum and Mravinsky and Knappertsbusch and Dohnanyi (for
crying out loud!) and ....

--Jeff

JRsnfld

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<<> I don't know if anyone will agree, but I think his VPO Schumann cycle had
some
> virtues--the Rhenish is quite good.

Was this ever available on CD?>>

Never saw the CD--just the LP. But it was digitally recorded, of course, so
maybe it was deleted before I ever bought a CD player.

--Jeff

dk

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Jul 12, 2001, 3:22:39 AM7/12/01
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"also sprach Matthew B. Tepper..."

>
> I can only think of one recorded performance of Mehta actually
> playing a musical instrument, and it has in fact been available
> as a video, not as simply a sound recording. I know which work
> was performed, and with which other musicians. Can you identify
> it too?
>

Of course, it's an 1967(?) performance of the Trout Quintet with
Barenboim pushing the keys, Du Pre rubbing the cello, and Mehta
plucking the double bass. Don't remember who were the other
stringers.


dk


Bruce Rodean

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In article <muroz-FB7741....@east.usenetserver.com> SevenSeas (mu...@superonline.com) wrote:
> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

I really enjoy the John Knowles Paine symphonies on New World with the
NYPO. The composer is perhaps off the beaten track, but I like both of
them. I also have the Mozart Sinfonia Concertante with Perlman and
Zukerman and the IPO on DG, but I haven't listened to it in a long time.

--
Bruce Rodean
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Colin Rosenthal

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Jul 12, 2001, 5:07:53 AM7/12/01
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Pinky and Perlman, no?

--
Colin Rosenthal
Astrophysics Institute
University of Oslo

sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il

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Jul 12, 2001, 5:42:18 AM7/12/01
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In article <Z3a37.132$IJ.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
: <sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in news:9ij8n1$26g$4...@news.huji.ac.il:

:> In article <aj937.51$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew
:> B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:

:>: Mehta, for his part in the persecution of Susan McDougall, has the
:>: strange distinction of being the only conductor who can perform
:>: _Fidelio_ from the perspective of Rocco.

:> He is, I believe, also the only conductor whose wife was lusted after
:> by Captain Kirk.

: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kovack,+Nancy

I think that perhaps I was misunderstood. I know that Nancy Kovack is
Zubin Mehta's wife. What I meant was that AFAIK, none of the other nine
zillion women who were lusted after by Captain Kirk were married to
conductors of either the symphonic or train variety.

Simon Roberts

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Jul 12, 2001, 8:51:49 AM7/12/01
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On 12 Jul 2001 05:47:37 GMT, David7Gable <david...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I hate to express a dissenting opinion [snip]

!

Simon

Matthew B. Tepper

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Jul 12, 2001, 10:38:18 AM7/12/01
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col...@toliman.uio.no (Colin Rosenthal) wrote in
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Everybody who participated in this quiz got a bull's-eye. Congrats!

Matthew B. Tepper

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Jul 12, 2001, 10:39:08 AM7/12/01
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<sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in news:9ijrdq$d4r$2...@news.huji.ac.il:

> In article <Z3a37.132$IJ.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,


> Matthew B. Tepper <oyţ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>: <sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in
>: news:9ij8n1$26g$4...@news.huji.ac.il:
>:> In article <aj937.51$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

>:> Matthew B. Tepper <oyţ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>:>: Mehta, for his part in the persecution of Susan McDougall, has the
>:>: strange distinction of being the only conductor who can perform
>:>: _Fidelio_ from the perspective of Rocco.
>
>:> He is, I believe, also the only conductor whose wife was lusted after
>:> by Captain Kirk.
>
>: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kovack,+Nancy
>
> I think that perhaps I was misunderstood. I know that Nancy Kovack is
> Zubin Mehta's wife. What I meant was that AFAIK, none of the other
> nine zillion women who were lusted after by Captain Kirk were married
> to conductors of either the symphonic or train variety.

Oh, I agree with you, I just playfully put in a link to her IMDB listing.
But wasn't France Nuyen involved with some conductor once?

sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:28:36 AM7/12/01
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In article <gEi37.875$IJ.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:

: But wasn't France Nuyen involved with some conductor once?

Yeah, but Captain Kirk only lusted after her because she cheated.

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Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----

"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad."

Paul Goldstein

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Jul 12, 2001, 3:21:18 PM7/12/01
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jrs...@aol.com (JRsnfld) wrote in message news:<20010712031618...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...

I don't think this is correct. I have the Mehta/VPO Schumann 2nd on
LP and it is from the early 1970s at the latest. Superb Decca Vienna
sound coupled with a truly miserable performance, probably the least
interesting Schumann 2nd I've ever heard. I think the whole cycle
came out at around the same time.

JRsnfld

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Jul 12, 2001, 4:05:49 PM7/12/01
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<<> Never saw the CD--just the LP. But it was digitally recorded, of course, so
> maybe it was deleted before I ever bought a CD player.

I don't think this is correct. I have the Mehta/VPO Schumann 2nd on
LP and it is from the early 1970s at the latest. Superb Decca Vienna
sound coupled with a truly miserable performance, probably the least
interesting Schumann 2nd I've ever heard. I think the whole cycle
came out at around the same time.
>>


Yes, the rest of the cycle was analogue, but the Rhenish and Manfred were
recorded in March 1981 and came out on LDR 71055--digital. (I make no claims
for the quality of the Symphony No. 2 in this cycle, by the way.)

--Jeff

Marcus Maroney

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Jul 12, 2001, 7:10:10 PM7/12/01
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The Turandot and Schmidt 4 on Decca of course. also on decca his
recording of varese and william kraft.

I also like 2 Sony recordings of his: Strauss' Alpine Symphony w/ the
Berlin PO and the Chopin Piano Concertos with Perahia.

Everything else has sounded pretty mediocre to sleep-inducingly banal
to me, not least his horrible rite of spring on sony essential
classics.

cheers,

marcus

marcus....@yale.edu

David7Gable

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:24:57 AM7/13/01
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ME: >>I hate to express a dissenting opinion [snip]

SIMON: >!


There you go, Simon. Taking me literally
again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, your single exclamation
point caused me to chuckle.

-david gable


David7Gable

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:26:38 AM7/13/01
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>Isn't this more than you ever expected?

Yes. But it was interesting nonetheless.

-dg

Terry Simmons

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:20:29 AM7/13/01
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in article op937.58$IJ....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, Matthew B.
Tepper at oy?@earthlink.net wrote on 12/7/01 14:08:

> "audiophilia.com" <publ...@audiophilia.com> wrote in
> news:eO%27.152948$Mf5.41...@news3.rdc1.on.home.com:


>
>>> "SevenSeas" <mu...@superonline.com> wrote in message
>>> news:muroz-FB7741....@east.usenetserver.com...
>>

>>>> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?
>>

>> Early Mehta - Varese with the LAPO. Benchmark stuff.
>> Later Mater - as accompanist with the BPO on Sony - Bartok concertos with
>> Midori. I love this album.
>>
>> Other than some of the early Deccas, not a great fan.
>
> What about the even earlier Vox recordings?

In my opinion Mehta (as recorded) seems to be pretty good in Viennese
repertoire. He has made some very fine Schubert symphony recordings, and
some excellent Mahler (e.g. Symphony No. 2). I've heard some pretty good
Bartok and Schoenberg from him. The opera recordings of Turandot and la
Fanciulla del West are as good as any.

Recently he seems to be taking on a lot of things that earn him big bucks,
but that are problematical in a P.R. sense, such as playing for the 3
Tenors.

Sacqueboutier

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:11:43 PM7/17/01
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SevenSeas wrote:

> In his early years, I think Mehta was a promising conductor. There are a
> number of powerful performances in his past, especially in his VPO and
> Los Angeles PO years. Recently I listened his Mahler Second and Third,
> Holst Planets, and Mussorgsky Pictures and I'm surprised there's a big
> difference with his later recordings. It seems something declined about
> his understanding of music...Alas, Many of his early recordings waiting
> for reissue...


>
> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

His best is his frist recording of Mahler's 3rd.
(*His* best recording, not the best Mahler 3rd IMO.)
His worst is his second recording of the same piece.

--
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Jonathan Yungkans

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Jul 18, 2001, 12:02:22 AM7/18/01
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dl <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<Cz937.16154$Kf3.2...@www.newsranger.com>...
> "also sprach Jonathan Yungkans..."
> >
> > There was also a Bruckner 9 that was supposed to
> > be out of this world, which has never been issued
> > on CD to the best of my knowledge.
> >
>
> It is not out of this world, but it is very good.

> Only Furty and Celibidache are out of this world
> in Bruckner's 9th.
>
>
Agreed with Furtwangler. Which Celibidache -- DG or EMI?

jy

gggg...@gmail.com

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Apr 29, 2018, 2:11:51 PM4/29/18
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On Tuesday, July 10, 2001 at 10:44:20 PM UTC-10, SevenSeas wrote:
> In his early years, I think Mehta was a promising conductor. There are a
> number of powerful performances in his past, especially in his VPO and
> Los Angeles PO years. Recently I listened his Mahler Second and Third,
> Holst Planets, and Mussorgsky Pictures and I'm surprised there's a big
> difference with his later recordings. It seems something declined about
> his understanding of music...Alas, Many of his early recordings waiting
> for reissue...
>
> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

His 1st "Planets" recording was included in this list of best audiophile recordings:

https://www.whathifi.com/features/50-albums-audiophiles

Ed Presson

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Apr 29, 2018, 6:36:33 PM4/29/18
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wrote in message
news:3ed24ab6-860d-4aed...@googlegroups.com...
I doubt that Mehta's understanding of music declined; to my ears later Mehta
recordings just sound disinterested--he no longer sounds excited by any
aspect of the music. A subjective reaction this, I realize. At least, he
is
not excited by the same aspects of the music as I.

Ed Presson


gggg...@gmail.com

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That recording was ranked #11 on this list:

https://petersplanets.wordpress.com/

gggg...@gmail.com

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Jul 18, 2020, 1:48:09 AM7/18/20
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On Wednesday, July 11, 2001 at 1:44:20 AM UTC-7, SevenSeas wrote:
> In his early years, I think Mehta was a promising conductor. There are a
> number of powerful performances in his past, especially in his VPO and
> Los Angeles PO years. Recently I listened his Mahler Second and Third,
> Holst Planets, and Mussorgsky Pictures and I'm surprised there's a big
> difference with his later recordings. It seems something declined about
> his understanding of music...Alas, Many of his early recordings waiting
> for reissue...
>
> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

(Recent Youtube upload):

Review: Zubin Mehta's Estimable LA Legacy

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Apr 7, 2021, 6:05:43 PM4/7/21
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(Recent Youtube upload):

Zubin Mehta dirige l'Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala

gggg gggg

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On Wednesday, July 11, 2001 at 1:44:20 AM UTC-7, SevenSeas wrote:
> In his early years, I think Mehta was a promising conductor. There are a
> number of powerful performances in his past, especially in his VPO and
> Los Angeles PO years. Recently I listened his Mahler Second and Third,
> Holst Planets, and Mussorgsky Pictures and I'm surprised there's a big
> difference with his later recordings. It seems something declined about
> his understanding of music...Alas, Many of his early recordings waiting
> for reissue...
> Any opinions about Mehta recordings?

(2022 Y. upload):

"Zubin Mehta's 10 Best Recordings (Preview)--When You Can't Go Home Again"
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