Old Google Groups link

[laraine]

I believe this is a link to get to the Old Google
Groups, which is not directly accessible
anymore.

https://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en

Hopefully, it will be around for awhile.

C.

[Mort]

Hi Laraine,

Thanks a lot for the helpful post.

Mort Linder

[Bob Harper]

On 6/17/13 2:05 PM, EM wrote:
> laraine<lara...@gmail.com> - Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT):

>
>> I believe this is a link to get to the Old Google
>> Groups,
>

> This is a usenet group, not a Google group.
>
> EM
>
>
But many people here read it in Google Groups, as I do when not at my
home computer. I'm slowly becoming used to the new format, but it's like
the new format for iTunes--bleah!

Bob Harper

[Matthew B. Tepper]

laraine <lara...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
be typed in news:8aee93ff-a3c2-4de5-9c69-
07dc63...@s9g2000yqs.googlegroups.com:

And you can search Usenet archives using this link:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

[laraine]

Oh dear, It now seems that even when I log onto this Old Google Groups gui page, clicking on a particular group takes one to New Google Groups gui now. Twasn't doing that this morning, I don't think...

Some improvements at lower-level in New Google Groups gui, but no tree structure that I can find! Guess it might be easier to use something else to read. Thanks for all the info. though.

C.

[Al Eisner]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, John Thomas wrote:

> r.m.c.r. is directly accessible with this link:
> https://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/topics?hl=en
>
> However, Google is preset to snatch you back to its new format at your
> first click of a link unless you have a browser in your arrmory that's
> not compatible with the new groups. If you use a Mac and want to be
> able to access the older Google groups format this free browser
> http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/download/
> will do it for you.

I'm having real trouble understandingb this thread. I use a link similar
to the one John Thomas gives above --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/topics?lnk
(I'm not sure what the stuff at the end of either link does.) Using
it in a firebox browser, I am solidly in the old style Google groups.
On rare occasions (perhaps when I have a new browser version?) Google
tries to switch me to the new form, and there is a perpetual message that
the old form is going away, but there is always an option provided to
switch to the old form. So I don't udnerstand why people are having
trouble with this. (Options might be findable from a "gear" symbol.)
--

Al Eisner

[laraine]

Your link to the lower level did work to get me back into the Old Google Groups gui... Great.

So now I have two tabs open, one in the Old:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/browse_frm/thread/829427e882d7b78f/d3411f78cdf03a85#d3411f78cdf03a85

and one in the New:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.music.classical.recordings/gpQn6ILXt48


What has happened, however, as of about last Monday, is that if one does end up in New Google Groups gui, which is where they put you by default, the menu settings to get back to Old Google Groups gui don't seem to be there anymore (gear symbol, etc.).

The link to the intermediate level of OGG that I gave above is just not enough anymore to enable one to navigate to a lower level in OGG, I believe, but the lower-level link that you gave will do it as of now, as far as I can tell.

In other words, we'll have to go outside the guis.

C.

[laraine]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:40:01 PM UTC-5, Al Eisner wrote:

Well... when I tried hitting your link a 2nd time, it took me into the new google groups (in a separate tab)...

So... let's just do what we can.

C.

[laraine]

Just one more clarification --
The URL groups.google.com/ seems to take me by default to the NGG, but using Google's very top level menu does not right away...

C.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

laraine <lara...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters

to be typed in news:e7caf9d2-53fe-4b94...@googlegroups.com:

> Well... when I tried hitting your link a 2nd time, it took me into the
> new google groups (in a separate tab)...
>
> So... let's just do what we can.

Ahem. This one still works the way we want it to work:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&

YOU'RE WELCOME.

[John Thomas]

On Jun 18, 4:40 pm, Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, John Thomas wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 9:12 am, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I believe this is a link to get to the Old Google
> >> Groups, which is not directly accessible
> >> anymore.
>
> >>https://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en
>
> >> Hopefully, it will be around for awhile.
>
> >> C.
>
> > r.m.c.r. is directly accessible with this link:

> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/topics...

>
> > However, Google is preset to snatch you back to its new format at your
> > first click of a link unless you have a browser in your arrmory that's
> > not compatible with the new groups.  If you use a Mac and want to be
> > able to access the older Google groups format this free browser
> >http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/download/
> > will do it for you.
>
> I'm having real trouble understandingb this thread.  I use a link similar

> to the one John Thomas gives above --http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/topics?lnk

> (I'm not sure what the stuff at the end of either link does.)  Using
> it in a firebox browser, I am solidly in the old style Google groups.
> On rare occasions (perhaps when I have a new browser version?) Google
> tries to switch me to the new form, and there is a perpetual message that
> the old form is going away, but there is always an option provided to
> switch to the old form.  So I don't udnerstand why people are having
> trouble with this.  (Options might be findable from a "gear" symbol.)
> --
>
>                                                               Al Eisner

For some of us at least the option to switch back from the new groups
to the old groups disappeared around the first of June. That hasn't
happened for you?

[John Thomas]

On Jun 18, 10:45 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> laraine <larai...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters
> to be typed innews:e7caf9d2-53fe-4b94...@googlegroups.com:

>
> > Well... when I tried hitting your link a 2nd time, it took me into the
> > new google groups (in a separate tab)...
>
> > So... let's just do what we can.
>
> Ahem.  This one still works the way we want it to work:
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&
>
> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper:  WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
> Read about "Proty" here:http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
> To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

Thank you so much o divine god of the one true link!

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<b5b2d117-34cb-4813...@q10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> That's why using a browser that is incompatible with the new user
> groups is the only way to stay on the old groups page without
> interruption. I've already linked to such a browser for Mac users.
> It *may* also be possible to find an older version of Internet
> Explorer that will do the same for Windows users.

Omniweb (the one you linked to) is my main browser. After months of
warnings that my browser is incompatible with the New Google Groups, and
that the old is going away -- a couple of days ago I started being given
Symphonyshare in the New Google Groups format. Whence, the little
gear/settings icon did not offer me the Old Groups display, at least
that I could find.

Thanks to this thread, I was able (for now) to get into the old format
using

http://groups.google.com/group/[NameOfGroup]/topics?lnk

Very helpful. Thanks to those who supplied it.

SE.

[laraine]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:45:19 AM UTC-5, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> laraine <lara...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters
>
> to be typed in news:e7caf9d2-53fe-4b94...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Well... when I tried hitting your link a 2nd time, it took me into the
>
> > new google groups (in a separate tab)...
>
> >
>
> > So... let's just do what we can.
>
>
>
> Ahem. This one still works the way we want it to work:
>
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&
>
>

You're right --looks like they left this one in limbo or still want it around.
It's straightforward to use and has lots of options.

I notice that there's also a search with some of the same options on the New Googles Groups, not quite as clear to me right now, but it yields some good results too.
>
> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>
Well, happy summer to you too!

C.

[Al Eisner]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, laraine wrote:

> What has happened, however, as of about last Monday, is that if one
> does end up in New Google Groups gui, which is where they put you by
> default, the menu settings to get back to Old Google Groups gui don't
> seem to be there anymore (gear symbol, etc.).

Recent posts in another newsgroup claim that the ability to revert to the
old Google Groups has been intermittently available in the past few days.
Hopefully, like other Google glitches, it will settle back down in
what we regard as the "right" manner.
--

Al Eisner

[J]

Every link in this thread took me to one page or another of the "new" Google groups. Bummer.

Only topic headlines are shown, and no preview text at all. Feh.

It was nice while it lasted...

[Matthew B. Tepper]

laraine <lara...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters

to be typed in news:999f7c67-90a1-42fe...@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:45:19 AM UTC-5, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>> laraine <lara...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
>> letters to be typed in
>> news:e7caf9d2-53fe-4b94...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Well... when I tried hitting your link a 2nd time, it took me into the
>> > new google groups (in a separate tab)...
>> >
>> > So... let's just do what we can.
>>
>> Ahem. This one still works the way we want it to work:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&
>
> You're right --looks like they left this one in limbo or still want it
> around. It's straightforward to use and has lots of options.
>
> I notice that there's also a search with some of the same options on the
> New Googles Groups, not quite as clear to me right now, but it yields
> some good results too.
>>
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>>
> Well, happy summer to you too!
>
> C.

Delighted to have been of assistance.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:602fe7c2-f10f-41f1-88a9-c4b2512a48f3
@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 18, 10:45 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> laraine <larai...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following

>> letters to be typed innews:e7caf9d2-53fe-4b94-a88d-4f3fcc1ee160

>> @googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Well... when I tried hitting your link a 2nd time, it took me into the
>> > new google groups (in a separate tab)...
>>
>> > So... let's just do what we can.
>>
>> Ahem.  This one still works the way we want it to work:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&
>>
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>

> Thank you so much o divine god of the one true link!

Not at all; just a humble netizen trying to do what he can. ;--)

[Al Eisner]

It appears that they have finally made a break; the old form seems to be
no longer an option. I use google groups only for archive searches, and the
search currently really sucks. Once you select a particular "hit" for
a search, you are in the new format, but rather than show the message
actually selected, the display shows the whole thread starting at the top,
and no longer highlights either the selected message nor the search
terms. For threads with hundreds of posts, this is a killer. Another
problem is that while, for a particular thread, one can select from a
variety of display options, the selection does not "stick", so far as
I can tell.

There is perhaps one faint glimmer of hope. Within a new-format page,
the "Settings" (gear) button includes an option to send feedback to
Google on Google Groups (something they never allowed in the old format).
It requires being a registered user to use this. I'm not, but I'm hoping
someone else here might be sufficitnly motivated to outline some of the
problems to them. They might or might not regard the new format as
a "work in progress". Any takers?
--

Al Eisner

[adime...@gmail.com]

[Mort]

Hi,

Thanks for the link, which says, "Welcome to the new Google groups". Is
there a link that says welcome to the old Google groups?

Mort Linder

[Matthew B. Tepper]

Mort <mo...@cloud9.net> appears to have caused the following letters to be
typed in news:HHRNt.29522$Le.1...@fx13.iad:

> adime...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:42:34 PM UTC+5:30, laraine wrote:
>>> I believe this is a link to get to the Old Google Groups, which is not
>>> directly accessible anymore.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en
>>>
>>> Hopefully, it will be around for awhile.
>

> Thanks for the link, which says, "Welcome to the new Google groups". Is
> there a link that says welcome to the old Google groups?

Well, this will get you to the Advanced Search:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&

[Mort]

Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> Mort <mo...@cloud9.net> appears to have caused the following letters to be
> typed in news:HHRNt.29522$Le.1...@fx13.iad:
>
>> adime...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:42:34 PM UTC+5:30, laraine wrote:
>>>> I believe this is a link to get to the Old Google Groups, which is not
>>>> directly accessible anymore.
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, it will be around for awhile.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, which says, "Welcome to the new Google groups". Is
>> there a link that says welcome to the old Google groups?
>
> Well, this will get you to the Advanced Search:
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&
>

Hi Matthew,

Thanks for the helpful link.

Mort

[Matthew B. Tepper]

Mort <mo...@cloud9.net> appears to have caused the following letters to be

typed in news:0oTNt.220425$KF3.1...@fx14.iad:

You are very welcome.

[Gerard]

"Mort" wrote in message news:HHRNt.29522$Le.1...@fx13.iad...

-----------------

I only could find this:

http://members.ziggo.nl/jdpt/bijlagen/welcometotheoldgooglegroups.htm

[Mort]

That post says, "Welcome to the old Google Groups", with no links at
all. What is the purpose of it?

Thanks.

Mort Linder

[Frank Berger]

It has no purpose at all, which, if you think about it, pretty much
characterizes all of Gerard's posts.

[laraine]

No, there's no welcome page like that anymore.

It seems that Google has now rerouted just about all of its newsgroups interface to the New Google Groups, including the page I had previously posted. Sorry...

C.

[Gerard]

"Mort" wrote in message news:Ao6Ot.31018$zp7....@fx03.iad...

..................................................

I think that it answers your previous question.

[Gerard]

"Frank Berger" wrote in message
news:KaWdnayr55wDnZTP...@supernews.com...

....................................

Apparently you can't think.

[laraine]

On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:35:10 AM UTC-5, Mort wrote:

> Gerard wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi,
>
> >
>
> > Thanks for the link, which says, "Welcome to the new Google groups". Is
>
> > there a link that says welcome to the old Google groups?
>
> >
>
> > Mort Linder
>
> >
>
> > -----------------
>
> >
>
> > I only could find this:
>
> >
>
> > http://members.ziggo.nl/jdpt/bijlagen/welcometotheoldgooglegroups.htm
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> That post says, "Welcome to the old Google Groups", with no links at
>
> all. What is the purpose of it?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Mort Linder

I think I get it now --it's a joke being sarcastic about the fact that we're not welcome to old Google groups anymore.

C.

[anne.schn...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 17, 2013 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-7, laraine wrote:
> I believe this is a link to get to the Old Google
> Groups, which is not directly accessible
> anymore.
>
> https://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en
>
> Hopefully, it will be around for awhile.
>
> C.

yes, i hope so. the new one does not let me embed a word document to send to my list... neither a word document nor a pdf... they need to fix that!!! the new one does NOT offer the same options nr as good

[weary flake]

No word document or pdf should be sent to usenet because
those files are binaries. Only *.txt files can be sent
to usenet.

[Mr. Mike]

On Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:16:20 -0700, weary flake <weary...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>No word document or pdf should be sent to usenet because
>those files are binaries. Only *.txt files can be sent
>to usenet.

Perhaps not to the Google Groups version of Usenet, but there are
hundreds, if not thousands, of alt.binaries.* newsgroups available
through Usenet providers where these kind of files can be uploaded.

I don't know if you can upload an encoded version of one of these
files to this newsgroup; if you could, I don't think it will show up
at Google Groups.

[weary flake]

News servers I've heard of refuse to carry binaries in text
groups, regardless of google; google is being good by refusing
to post binaries.

It sounded like the previous poster thought that word and pdf
are text files which they are not. Cut and paste text from
them maybe, but they themselves are binaries.