German & Austrian Cello Concertos On CD
GregK
countries.
C.P.E. Bach - 1750, 1751, 1753 (Concertos) (many)
Georg Christoph Wagenseil - 1752 & 1763 (Concertos) (Thorofon)
Franz Joseph Haydn - 1765? & 1783 (Concertos) (many)
Antonin Kraft - 1792 & 1803 (Concertos) (Panton)
Ignaz Pleyel - 1795 (Concerto) (HM)
Leopold Hofmann - ?(1738-1793) (4 Concertos) (Naxos)
Franz Danzi - 1797 & ?(1763-1826) (Koch, Carlton)
Carl Stamitz - ?(1745-1801) (3 Concertos) (Naxos, Panton, Carlton)
Carl Maria Von Weber - ?(1786-1826) ("Grande Potpourri") (Carlton,
Antes)
Nicolaus Kraft - ?(1778-1851) ("Polonaise") (Carlton)
Robert Schumann - 1854(Concerto) (many)
Robert Volkmann - 1858(Concerto) (Koch, CPO)
Carl Reinecke - 1866(Concerto) (RBM)
Joachim Raff - 1874(Concerto No.1) (RBM)
Max Bruch - 1880("Kol Nidrei"), 1890("Canzone" & "Adagio on Celtic
Themes), 1892(Ave Maria) (RCA & Sony for all, many for Kol Nidrei)
Julius Klengel - 1880(Concerto No.1), 1903(No.4) (CPO)
Hans Pfitzner - 1888(Concerto Op.posth.), 1935(No.1), 1944(No.2) (CPO)
Richard Strauss - 1897("Don Quixote") (many)
Eugen D'Albert - 1899(Concerto) (Koch, Pan, Arcobaleno, Berlin
Classics)
Paul Hindemith - 1916(Concerto Op.posth), 1925(Kammermusik No.3) (CPO,
many)
Ernst Toch - 1924(Concerto) (Albany, CPO)
Arnold Schoenberg - 1932(Concerto "after G.M. Monn") (Koch, Sony)
Hans Werner Henze - 1953("Ode To the Westwind") (DG, Arte Nova)
Boris Blacher - 1964(Concerto) (Signum)
Bernd Alois Zimmermann - 1966(Concerto "Pas de trois") (CPO)
Dietrich Erdmann - ?(b.1917)(Concerto) (Thorofon)
Frank Michael Beyer - ?(b.1928)(Concerto "Cantodi Giomo") (Academy)
Hindemith's 1940 Concerto and Krenek's Concerti were written after
they had settled in the US so best included with "American", and
Berthold Goldschmidt's Concerto after his emigration to England.
Scott Kurtz
era by Thorofon. Holler was a kind of German impressionist composer, if one
can imagine such a thing. I also vaguely recall there may have been a few
contemporary East German cello concertos recorded on the Nova or Eterna
labels but can't provide any specific names at the moment.
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Eric Schissel
>I believe there was a Cello Concerto by Karl Holler once recorded in the LP
>era by Thorofon. Holler was a kind of German impressionist composer, if one
>can imagine such a thing. I also vaguely recall there may have been a few
>contemporary East German cello concertos recorded on the Nova or Eterna
>labels but can't provide any specific names at the moment.
The Holler rings a bell, and a library catalog check confirms the
existence of a Colosseum LP from the late '70s (Berger/Bayerisches
Landesjugendorchester Augsburg/Albert.) The 2nd Raff concerto is expected
on CD eventually along with a new recording of the first. (Gernsheim's e
minor concerto, op. 78, has been broadcast but not yet recorded. His cello
sonata, symphonies, some choral music and soon his 2nd string quartet are
probably the only recorded representation of this fine composer from
Worms.)
Korngold's cello concerto also dates from after he emigrated to the US, at
that (recordings e.g. on cpo and Chandos.)
The Strauss romance for cello and orchestra (1883) is available on CD
(Chandos, ebs, RCA, Koch, Finlandia, for instance.)
(Any idea what the two Weber works are - a concerto in D as well as the
grand potpourri you mention- on an Antes release with Martin Ostertag, vc,
Baden-Baden PO, Steifel conducting, also with music of Cassado?)
Karl Friedrich Abel- a cello concerto was on an FSM LP. Nothing on CD?
Bargiel's adagio for cello and orchestra (or piano) has received several
recordings (RCA for the version with orchestra, for example.)
Hrm. That's all I can find so far, anyway, though there are other works on
broadcast tapes!
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>> As before, anything for Cello & Orchestra originating in these
>> countries.
>>
>> C.P.E. Bach - 1750, 1751, 1753 (Concertos) (many)
>> Georg Christoph Wagenseil - 1752 & 1763 (Concertos) (Thorofon)
>> Franz Joseph Haydn - 1765? & 1783 (Concertos) (many)
>> Antonin Kraft - 1792 & 1803 (Concertos) (Panton)
Also (op.4) Deutsche Harmonia Mundi (Bylsma)?
Eric Schissel
GregK
> I believe there was a Cello Concerto by Karl Holler once recorded in the LP
> era by Thorofon. Holler was a kind of German impressionist composer, if one
> can imagine such a thing. I also vaguely recall there may have been a few
> contemporary East German cello concertos recorded on the Nova or Eterna
> labels but can't provide any specific names at the moment.
I'd be interested in having info about those East German concertos if
you recollect anything imminently. It's disappointing how really few
20th century German/Austrian Cello Concertos can be heard (CD or LP)
when compared with the availability of things originating in some of
the other countries I've been considering. They're certainly "out
there" in any case. I must have a couple of dozen or more entries in
my notebook of unrecorded (AFAIK) contemporary German works in this
area, - not well known names it's true, but at least suspect that not
a good chunk of this body might be good meat and of some enduring
value. One would like to judge for oneself. A common lament and
desire, I know.
Scott Kurtz
there's not too much readily available discographic information about East
German Nova and Eterna recordings. Maybe Wilhelm Killmayer wrote a cello
concerto. I'm not sure.
Eric Schissel
>Eric is right: the Holler Cello Concerto was on Colosseum. I'm afraid
>there's not too much readily available discographic information about East
>German Nova and Eterna recordings. Maybe Wilhelm Killmayer wrote a cello
>concerto. I'm not sure.
There's a sostenuto for cello and strings from 1984 and a pezzi es (ed?)
intermezzi for piano, cello and orchestra from 1968 according to
http://www.schott-english.com/nocache/smi_en/autoren/KomponistenAZ/2,f9fa6e0fdd6.html
but I don't know of recordings of either.
Lachenmann's notturno for cello and small orchestra was released on a
Kairos CD in 2001, though.
Eric Schissel
Eric Schissel
You're quite right that there are a number of unrecorded, or
untransferred, concerti. Molique's and Dietrich's are also quite good but
not (yet?) commercially available, Arnold Mendelssohn's I haven't heard.
Pleyel's concerti are, or, were, available on Hungaroton, though
(HCD32067-68.)
Eric Schissel
GregK
Based on what I've heard of their other music the Gernsheim and Hans
Gal Cello Concertos would be high on my list of desirable recordings
in this area (though Gal's Concerto was apparently written long after
his departure from Germany). Bargiel's Adagio is an attractive piece
(don't know how I overlooked that one), but Weber's Poupourri (that
you ask about) merely a forgettable potboiler, - don't bother with it.
Among names I recognize are Concertos by Fortner, Vogel, Reiter,
Genzmer, and Helmut Degen (do I know him from something?). Lots more,
-but they'll never be played/recorded, so who knows if they're worthy.
GregK
Oh, - and do you refer to Albert Dietrich, the Koch CD of whose Violin
Concerto I've been searching for for years, and which if Scott or
anyone else out there in internetland possesses, they would be doing a
good deed in providing me with a CD-R copy? Didn't know he wrote a
CC, - only familiar with the Sonata.
Brendan R. Wehrung
My plea also. Apparently the ingrates at Koch International never
bothered to import it.
Brendan
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Thomas Muething
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> Hindemith's 1940 Concerto and Krenek's Concerti were written after
> they had settled in the US so best included with "American"
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Thomas
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(Michael Caine, in "Austin Powers: Goldmember")
GregK
> GregK wrote:
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> > Hindemith's 1940 Concerto and Krenek's Concerti were written after
> > they had settled in the US so best included with "American"
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> ?????????????
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> Thomas
You mean - "Why should Concerti written by German immigrant composers
in America be considered "American" concertos rather than German
ones?"
"Best" as in no reason besides the application of my own arbitrary
rule in organizing these lists (but with no compunction over
inconsistency). Twelve question marks makes me think you believe I
made the wrong choice here. Should the criteria for classification
simply be nationality of the composer? Not sure now why I rejected
that back when I started. There was a reason then.
Eric Schissel
Yep, Albert Hermann Dietrich (1829-1908.)I've heard the violin concerto on
the radio, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Wehrung's right anyway...
the cello concerto (g minor, op. 32) has been broadcast, but that's it, I
believe. Dynamic's recorded the two piano trios (the first is also on
Signum,) there's also a concertpiece for horn, a symphony in d, an opera
Robin Hood, a cello sonata (recently republished by Wollenweber, and on an
Audite CD,) and other works (some recorded on such collections as a Tacet
CD 'Schumann and his friends' with a Dietrich vocal work and a ebs CD
'Brahms and his friends' which has a piano piece.)
(As to Weber, it was the concerto, not the potpourri that confused me,
since I wasn't otherwise aware of such a work. Though I don't think I've
heard the potpourri yet either.)
(Threading(?) threads, Michael Berkeley's cello concerto (1982/7) is on
vol. 3 of the Berkeley edition on Chandos, according to the July MDT new
releases (premiere recording, I believe.))
In disorganized fashion returning here, Thorofon's been recording Genzmer
and might get to the cello concerto, I suppose. I've heard at least some
of an oratorio by Fortner sung by Fischer-Dieskau but not much else by
him; he too does or has had some representation on CD, though, including a
recording of his violin concerto on MDG.
Eric Schissel
Scott Kurtz
GregK
The Weber "Cello Concerto" on that Antes CD in fact is a transcription
of the 2nd Clarinet Concerto (when and by whom I don't know). I
remember a lukewarm review somewhere, though the CD might be worth
acquiring for Cassado's Concerto.
Eric Schissel
>The Weber "Cello Concerto" on that Antes CD in fact is a transcription
>of the 2nd Clarinet Concerto (when and by whom I don't know). I
>remember a lukewarm review somewhere, though the CD might be worth
>acquiring for Cassado's Concerto.
Ah- thanks.
There was a recentish CD with music by Max Trapp, but I don't recall if
his cello concerto op. 34 was recorded on it.
Hrm. Has Leyendecker's concerto (Wergo 60507-50) already been mentioned?
Kelterborn wrote a concerto for cello (1998/99), recorded on MGB- if I
mentioned this in an earlier post, apologies. (Swiss, no? Extends scope of
this thread in any case, in which case one considers Martin's concerto,
Schoeck's concerto, Burkhard's concertino, etc. Leyendecker -is- (was?)
German, though.)
Eric Schissel
GregK
Ulrich Leyendecker, - now that's a new name to me. I'm curious about
the Cello Concerto etc. on that Wergo CD, but wary. Is it listenable?
Tell me everything you know about this composer.
Eric Schissel
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>> There was a recentish CD with music by Max Trapp, but I don't recall if
>> his cello concerto op. 34 was recorded on it.
>> Hrm. Has Leyendecker's concerto (Wergo 60507-50) already been mentioned?
>> Kelterborn wrote a concerto for cello (1998/99), recorded on MGB- if I
>> mentioned this in an earlier post, apologies. (Swiss, no? Extends scope of
>> this thread in any case, in which case one considers Martin's concerto,
>> Schoeck's concerto, Burkhard's concertino, etc. Leyendecker -is- (was?)
>> German, though.)
>> Eric Schissel
>Ulrich Leyendecker, - now that's a new name to me. I'm curious about
>the Cello Concerto etc. on that Wergo CD, but wary. Is it listenable?
> Tell me everything you know about this composer.
*enters hypnotic trance* Everything- hrm. Saw his name in a card catalog
or on jpc or thelike. So- nothing. According to google searches he was
born in Wuppertal in 1946. Sikorski publishes several of his works,
including this 1983 concerto; their composer's page describes his music as
taking the 2nd Viennese School as a point of departure (see
http://www.sikorski.de/composers/composer126.html ). Cornell does have the
score, I should take a look.
(W. Zillig, one of Schoenberg's pupils, wrote a concerto for cello and
winds. Wonder if it's been recorded...)
(Muller-Zurich's cello concerto was on a Louisville LP; I haven't been
following their travails and hope that the First Edition reissues are
still a going concern- that LP series contained wonderful stuff. Swiss,
so wrong thread...)
The Zimmermann has also been on CD on Philips 434 114-2 (1993; Heinrich
Schiff, vc, SWF Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden, cond. Michael Gielen.)
Eric Schissel
GregK
Isang Yun's Cello Concerto here (I think composed in 1964) issued on
Camarata.
GregK
You mean the Zimmermann Concerto other than the "Pear" piece, - or
this is another recording of that one?
Eric Schissel
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>You mean the Zimmermann Concerto other than the "Pear" piece, - or
>this is another recording of that one?
Apparently according to
http://www.ag.wakwak.com/~takeuchi/gielendisco2.htm Schiff's recorded both
the Canto di speranza (cantata for cello and small orchestra) and the En
forme de pas de trois, both with Michael Gielen on Philips.
Eric Schissel
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